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Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« on: December 30, 2016, 12:45:10 PM »
We're not sure if it's dead or just needs resuscitation.  Camera is more than 10 years old we're and thinking it might be a great backup camera or even an extra DSLR for me when the DW and I are out in the Nature.  She has a new D7200 and the lens are interchangeable.  We have two zooms and a fixed lens so if we can revive the D80 for a few bucks, why not?  So far one camera shop says it could be as simple as a $50.00 fix for an update to the Firmware.  On the other hand maybe $200+ for whatever.   Thoughts?????
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2016, 01:12:37 PM »
If your implication of dead means that nothing happens when you turn it on even though the battery is properly installed and fully charged, then it could be corroded contacts, a loose connection or a failed microprocessor or anything in between, even something mechanically broken.

But since the camera shop can't give you an answer, I guess it means be prepared for a $200+ repair, while hoping it's cheaper, but the final answer has to depend on how valuable this is to you & DW, not something anyone else can answer for you. You certainly can't get anything else that nice for a couple of hundred dollars. And it IS nice to have a backup camera.
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2016, 01:30:17 PM »
Personally I would not invest ten cents into a DSLR. They are dead, dinosaurs. Cell phones are what is being used. There are people who will argue this point with me but they all have a large financial investment into expensive camera set ups and refuse to open their eyes and see what is going on in this world. Smaller cameras are much better because they are always with you. You never miss a shot for lack of a camera.

Twenty years ago when digital first came out the "real photographers" all laughed at digital. I will never replace "real cameras". They don't have resolution or color gamut or whatever that can compete with film. Then slowly but surely over the next few years they all woke up and saw the incredible advantages of digital and switched over to digital. Then they could not figure out why their film cameras were worth absolutely nothing. They waited too long to sell them. Thrift stores refused to accept them as donations since they just took up shelf space and never sold. Every single one of these people had a large investment in film cameras so they did not want to see their equipment valued at zero.

Now we have the exact same thing going on with small cameras. People with a huge investment in big bulky cameras don't want to face the fact that they are going out of style because small cameras are so much better. They claim they don't have as good a resolution or color gamut or whatever and they will never compete with real cameras. So they stubbornly cling to the old way. And in a few years they too will wake up and start shooting with small cameras and then they will be so confused when they discover their $5000 "real camera" is worthless and can't be sold.

No technology lasts forever. 78s are worthless, just like Beta video tapes, black and white CRT TVs, ancient PCs and a whole host of other technologies that have been replaced by something that was smaller, cheaper and better. I can do lots of things with my cell phone that most DSLRs cannot do. Voice control. I can say "click" and my cell phone takes a photo. My photos get uploaded to the cloud automatically so the size of my SD card just simply doesn't matter. I can post my photos on Facebook in about one minute without having to transfer the photos to my computer first. In fact I never upload photos to my computer. There are a whole bunch of other advantages to cell phone photography which is why they are taking over.

I know a bunch of people are going to call me an idiot and hate me for what I am saying. And I don't care. I am right and I will be proven right. Just remember these words when you go to sell your DSLR in five years and no one wants it.  I was at the Grand Canyon last summer and as I was sitting at Lookout Studio I watched a steady progression of people walk up to the Kodak spot where everyone poses for a photo. About every 25th person would use a large camera, everyone else was using a cell phone. Concerts won't let you in the door with a large camera but a large percentage of the people there are snapping away with a cell phone. It is the future even if you don't like it.
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2016, 01:34:29 PM »
Thanks Larry.  When the camera is turned on, an ERR message appears.  Thought it might be a bad battery so replaced with new.  No change.  Probably makes sense to repair.  Only consideration is if the price is considerably more than $200.00, I'd be inclined to buy a lesser, new Nikon.   

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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2016, 01:43:37 PM »
Good point Tom.  The wife has a Samsung Galaxie S5 and loves it.  She uses it often for pix and sometimes is the only camera she brings even though she has 4 others.  Still there's something about a 70-300 zoom that probably can't be duplicated by a cell phone, yet.  Beyond that, she has a Coolpix P610 which has an amazing 60 x zoom.  Although they're pretty hard to focus at the greatest range it's kind of fun seeing what's happening a mile away. 
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2016, 01:51:18 PM »
It's interesting that the cellphone has become the accepted standard for technology.

People are willing to accept crappy VoIP audio quality, because that's what their cellphone sounds like.

Same with cellphone pictures. For taking selfies and such, okay. Otherwise, maybe not.

I wanted to send a fellow ham a photo of my home antenna installation last month. No problem, whip out the cellphone. No joy, couldn't zoom or focus. Pull out the DSLR, snap a couple of close-ups and away we go.

It is pretty cool that just about everyone carries a microcomputer and camera on their person. But the real things aren't going the way of the Dodo Bird anytime soon.
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2016, 03:50:03 PM »
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Personally I would not invest ten cents into a DSLR. They are dead, dinosaurs. Cell phones are what is being used.

I have to disagree, Tom, and it has nothing to do with "have a large financial investment into expensive camera set ups" though I did just replace my Nikon D90 with a Nikon D7100. I did it with my eyes wide open, knowing EXACTLY what I can do with a phone vs a DSLR or even a pocket camera (many are preferable to the phone, for me). Granted that DSLRs are not for everyone, but then neither are cell phone cameras, especially if you don't have a top end i7 or Galaxy 7 or whatever.

I find cell phones hard to hold steady and awkward to use, neither of which helps get good pix. When not in bright sunlight, or when I want to zoom in on something (NOT digital zoom), a cell phone just doesn't hack it. I'm one of those who does NOT have a cell phone with me all the time. I despise looking at a screen held in front of my face at a distance in one or both hands and that is washed out by the sun so that I can't tell what's in the picture.

All the above isn't to say that you can't get many good pictures with the better cell phone cameras, because of course you can. And I occasionally do a little of that. But it doesn't replace a dedicated camera any more than (for me at least) it replaces a dedicated GPS or a dedicated computer or...

I'll stop here, but I suggest that you modify your statements to apply to you and others with your mindset, but not to everyone, as your statements would indicate.
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2016, 06:05:04 PM »
It is pretty cool that just about everyone carries a microcomputer and camera on their person. But the real things aren't going the way of the Dodo Bird anytime soon.

Then there's a few like me who still use a flip phone.   ;)   My microcomputer is a 27" iMac.   
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2016, 06:29:22 PM »


"Same with cellphone pictures. For taking selfies and such, okay. Otherwise, maybe not."

I have to agree with Tom on this.  Despite having a fairly large investment in DSLR Cameras and lenses, If  I could take pictures like this one of Tom's from his publicly available site (see the first link in his signature block) then I would toss  most of it aside for the smaller format.  https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0ao638-TLoLjjDcNa_J6ZkyGMcH-NOPWQMqNhqf7nlUZyqGaIfNkm5TJL64-xf1SagN9YuablAe9BbM=w2058-h1158-no

I think Tom has proved that most of the talent is in the photographer, not the equipment.  Have a look as some more of his, mostly of late, taken with a cell phone camera.

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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2016, 06:35:20 PM »
I prefer a cellphone for GPS.  They never nag me to buy an update.

I use my cellphone to make calls within the reach of a good/fast wifi network.

I use my cellphone to send & receive emails.

I use my cellphone as a guitar tuner.

I use my cellphone as a (gasp) cellphone.

My cellphone is my last choice for taking pictures.

On the other hand when I was teaching college photography new students were required to build a pinhole camera out of an oatmeal box.  Just to hammer home the point you don't need a $10,000 Hasselblad to make good photographs.

Imagine a professional showing up with only a cellphone?   :o

When they build a cellphone camera better than a pro level SLR with an assortment of lenses, flashes and sync to drive studio lighting, tripod mount, etc. I'll think about it.  But truthfully that will never happen because the cameras are not sitting still either.  My latest camera has GPS, wifi, Geo tagging, selfie mode (useless), and more.  And it uses my existing canon USM lenses.  It doesn't make phone calls.  It's about half the size of my old SLR.  So maybe rather than the cellphone becoming a decent camera it will be the other way around.
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2016, 06:43:01 PM »
I occasionally take a picture with the cell phone in a pinch but with a congenital tremor I have a very hard time holding it steady enough for a quality shot. Then there is the inability to zoom in or out. I have a Canon p&s which sees service but still prefer the versatility of the dslr.
Our old D60 has been a reasonably good camera in spite of some shutter issues that were finally fixed on warranty after 6 weeks of dualling with the service center but I sure wouldn't spend any money on it. There is so much better on the market for less than what I paid for it.
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2016, 08:27:13 PM »
Since you wanted "Advice" I'll give you my 2 worth.

I would NOT spend any money on the old D80 UNLESS they could guarantee you it would be only $20 and work perfectly.
Everything is changing so fast that even if you do get it fixed, it will be worthless very soon if not already, IMO.

Take the money you were going to spend on the repair and get good point and shoot.
I know there are pros and cons to almost everything and rarely can one item do everything to everyone's satisfaction.
Cell phone vs. point and shoot.  Since I have never seen a cell phone with a 1" or larger lens I know that they can't have a
optical lens with a 20X zoom whereas many P&S cameras do.  But most P&S's don't make phone calls or go online.  So what do you want?
A do almost everything unit (cell Phone) or a single minded unit that gives better images most of the time.
Yes, under many conditions a cell phone can do a fine job - but not as well as most P&S's most of the time.
Then again - it does depend on who is behind either unit as to the results that are achieved.

You may have already made up your mind as to what you are going to do - so this may be worthless - not even worth 2

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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2016, 08:46:42 PM »

"Same with cellphone pictures. For taking selfies and such, okay. Otherwise, maybe not."

I have to agree with Tom on this.  Despite having a fairly large investment in DSLR Cameras and lenses, If  I could take pictures like this one of Tom's from his publicly available site (see the first link in his signature block) then I would toss  most of it aside for the smaller format.  https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0ao638-TLoLjjDcNa_J6ZkyGMcH-NOPWQMqNhqf7nlUZyqGaIfNkm5TJL64-xf1SagN9YuablAe9BbM=w2058-h1158-no

I think Tom has proved that most of the talent is in the photographer, not the equipment.  Have a look as some more of his, mostly of late, taken with a cell phone camera.

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Gord, it's been acknowledged for a long, long time that the photographer is a MAJOR factor in getting good pix, but if the photographer were the only item in the equation we could still be using box cameras. Yes, Tom takes excellent pix, no matter what he's using, but he has to avoid some situations where the phone just can't hack it. He used to use telephoto lenses, for example, for a lot of his bird pix. But now he has to be closer. Sure, he gets great shots, but he misses some possibilities, too.

What equipment a particular person needs is generally dictated by the task, for example, I couldn't take a useable shot of an aircraft at altitude, or even just a mile away down low, with a phone. I'll stop now.
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2016, 08:58:17 PM »
I have to disagree, Tom, and it has nothing to do with "have a large financial investment into expensive camera set ups" though I did just replace my Nikon D90 with a Nikon D7100. I did it with my eyes wide open, knowing EXACTLY what I can do with a phone vs a DSLR or even a pocket camera (many are preferable to the phone, for me). Granted that DSLRs are not for everyone, but then neither are cell phone cameras, especially if you don't have a top end i7 or Galaxy 7 or whatever.

I find cell phones hard to hold steady and awkward to use, neither of which helps get good pix. When not in bright sunlight, or when I want to zoom in on something (NOT digital zoom), a cell phone just doesn't hack it. I'm one of those who does NOT have a cell phone with me all the time. I despise looking at a screen held in front of my face at a distance in one or both hands and that is washed out by the sun so that I can't tell what's in the picture.

All the above isn't to say that you can't get many good pictures with the better cell phone cameras, because of course you can. And I occasionally do a little of that. But it doesn't replace a dedicated camera any more than (for me at least) it replaces a dedicated GPS or a dedicated computer or...

I'll stop here, but I suggest that you modify your statements to apply to you and others with your mindset, but not to everyone, as your statements would indicate.

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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2016, 09:02:36 PM »
Gord, it's been acknowledged for a long, long time that the photographer is a MAJOR factor in getting good pix, but if the photographer were the only item in the equation we could still be using box cameras. Yes, Tom takes excellent pix, no matter what he's using, but he has to avoid some situations where the phone just can't hack it. He used to use telephoto lenses, for example, for a lot of his bird pix. But now he has to be closer. Sure, he gets great shots, but he misses some possibilities, too.

What equipment a particular person needs is generally dictated by the task, for example, I couldn't take a useable shot of an aircraft at altitude, or even just a mile away down low, with a phone. I'll stop now.

I totally agree.  I can't imagine using my cell phone (that has a great camera) in lieu of my DSLR for professional portraits. 
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2016, 09:20:30 PM »
This thread brings back memories of high school math class, back when calculators first appeared on the market. A classmate asked the teacher why it was necessary to memorize stuff when it was so much easier to use a calculator. The teacher's response, "So you think that you'll always have a calculator with you?"

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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2016, 09:51:53 PM »
This thread brings back memories of high school math class, back when calculators first appeared on the market. A classmate asked the teacher why it was necessary to memorize stuff when it was so much easier to use a calculator. The teacher's response, "So you think that you'll always have a calculator with you?"

Okay, back to cameras...

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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2016, 11:17:47 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2016, 11:25:20 PM »
Yep, repairs to a pro camera that gets 6000 shots a month, sure; to consumer cameras not so much.

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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2016, 11:19:05 AM »
Mark, excellent idea.  Didn't think of that. 

With regard all the comments about the "photographer".  That's why my wife has all the camera's and not me.   :-[   
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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2017, 12:12:28 PM »
I have to disagree, Tom, and it has nothing to do with "have a large financial investment into expensive camera set ups" though I did just replace my Nikon D90 with a Nikon D7100.
You just proved my point. You just spent $1000 on dying technology so you are trying to justify your expense.

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Granted that DSLRs are not for everyone, but then neither are cell phone cameras, especially if you don't have a top end i7 or Galaxy 7 or whatever.
You no longer need the top of the line camera to get great shots. I have been using a $300 LG G4 for the last year. Currently it sells for less than that. There are dozens of cell phones that are on par with a DSLR. Check out my photos from 2016 in the link below.
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I find cell phones hard to hold steady and awkward to use, neither of which helps get good pix. When not in bright sunlight, or when I want to zoom in on something (NOT digital zoom), a cell phone just doesn't hack it. I'm one of those who does NOT have a cell phone with me all the time. I despise looking at a screen held in front of my face at a distance in one or both hands and that is washed out by the sun so that I can't tell what's in the picture.
Yep that was the case four years ago, but all those problems have been solved. Many cell phones now have image stabilization built in and very bright viewfinders. Personally I prefer to judge the quality of my photographs on a 5 inch screen instead of a tiny little 3/4" viewfinder.
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All the above isn't to say that you can't get many good pictures with the better cell phone cameras, because of course you can. And I occasionally do a little of that. But it doesn't replace a dedicated camera any more than (for me at least) it replaces a dedicated GPS or a dedicated computer or...
It most certainly can replace a dedicated camera, GPS or a computer. Just ask any teenager.
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I'll stop here, but I suggest that you modify your statements to apply to you and others with your mindset, but not to everyone, as your statements would indicate.
No I will not modify my statements, instead I will double down. I am not saying that everyone today should switch to using a cell phone camera. What I am saying is that in five years DSLRs will only be sold on eBay at dirt cheap prices. 2010 was the glory year for DSLR sales. In 2015 DSLR sales was 1/3 of the 2010 figures. There does not seem to be any reason why this trend will reverse any time soon. Cell phone cameras are only improving by leaps and bounds every year and DSLRs haven't seen a real improvement in many years.  And in a few short years cell phone cameras will have awesome analogue zoom lenses that will compete with any DSLR.

https://www.cinema5d.com/dslr-mirrorless-camera-market-shrinking-rapidly/

http://petapixel.com/2014/12/15/chart-shows-badly-digital-camera-sales-getting-hammered-smartphones/

Every single camera ever made has restrictions on what you can and cannot photograph. There is no DSLR made that can get every shot on every occasion unless you want to carry around a backpack full of thousands of dollars worth of lenses and you have the time to find and change the lens. Having a camera in your pocket that can work well 98% of the time is a lot cheaper and more convenient and that is why DSLRs are dinosaurs. Yes some of you are still using them today but you won't be for long. I also find it interesting that the people who brag about spending so much money on their cameras never post any photos. Oh I know their excuse, they don't want anyone stealing their photos. But from what I have seen most of these people are so poor at photography no one would want to steal them. The most important thing is not taking photos but bragging about the price of their equipment.
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2017, 01:04:49 PM »
Gary, I don't think your camera is worth repairing. In fact, your dealer is trying to rip you off as concerns the firmware update. I doubt there's been a new firmware update on your camera in the past six or seven years, and even if there was, they are designed to be downloaded by the user from the web for free. Bottom line, if you want to stay with the system, I would suggest buying a "new" used camera from KEH or go to a newer dslr from B&H Photo.

As for your cell phone working just as well as a dslr, that kind of depends on what type of photography you are doing and what type of display you are looking for. For instance, I would not recommend making a 30x40 inch wall hanging from a cell phone, or a 16x20, or 11x14. Perhaps an 8x10 would work, but that really depends on your cell phone. On the other hand, if all you want to do is put thing on the web, then the cell phone will work very well--as Tom says, the camera with you is the one you will use.

Just for information, I'm a professional photojournalist (mostly retired now) and I have other professional friends who still use film cameras (mostly art or portraits) and I have a professional friend who actually used a cell phone to photograph the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. The point is, use the camera that makes you happy in your photography. If you want to use a cell phone, fine, film camera, also fine, the latest and greatest dslr that just cost you $6500 for body only, also fine, just be aware of their limitations.

Really, the amount of money you spend on a camera has no bearing on it's usefulness to you. Anyone telling you that buying a $2000 camera is stupid doesn't really know what he's talking about. I would say that in his case the purchase would be stupid. But if you want what the $2k camera offers and are willing to pay for it, who's to say it's a dumb purchase. In my case, buying a $150k Class A coach would be dumb, that certainly doesn't make the purchase of one dumb for anyone.
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2017, 01:40:16 PM »
Thanks Henkelphoto.  I think I've convinced my wife to forget about fixing the D80.   
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2017, 01:57:33 PM »
My DSLR work cameras take a beating.  I've sent them to Nikon for cleaning, firmware updates, and repairs.  It's been worth it to us.  A couple hundred dollars to ensure they're working properly when we need them.  Lots of corroded parts, wet, gunky, etc.  Nikon has kept them working well. 
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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2017, 03:53:41 PM »
There is no DSLR made that can get every shot on every occasion unless you want to carry around a backpack full of thousands of dollars worth of lenses and you have the time to find and change the lens. Having a camera in your pocket that can work well 98% of the time is a lot cheaper and more convenient and that is why DSLRs are dinosaurs. Yes some of you are still using them today but you won't be for long.
I agree that photography's norms and the way it's used are changing.

I even agree that most photos will be taken by phones going forward.

But that is a really, really, really low bar to hop over.

Try getting the attached wedding party shot from 100 yards with a cell phone or getting the attached candid portrait of mom and babe at 20' or isolating the subject as in the other or ...

DSLR's are far from dead, I do and will carry around that big bag for the foreseeable future.



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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2017, 04:52:32 PM »
All good points.
Here's my take.

Cellphones are great for taking photos if you're someone that doesn't know how to use a good camera or what it's capabilities are.
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2017, 05:20:52 PM »
Tom,  who do you think are the top six wildlife photographers living today?
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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2017, 05:25:03 PM »
Cellphones are great for taking photos if you're someone that doesn't know how to use a good camera or what it's capabilities are.

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Re: Advice on repairs to Nikon D80 camera.
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2017, 05:36:01 PM »
Personally I prefer to judge the quality of my photographs on a 5 inch screen instead of a tiny little 3/4" viewfinder.

I personally prefer to judge the quality of my work by a 16 x 20 or larger wall portrait.
A girl called Max, her husband Eric, Princess Kitty, and Molly the Service Dog in training.

2013 Cougar High Country 315 RES ( A 35' 5th Wheel)
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