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markbarendt

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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2017, 08:47:43 AM »
If the numbers work you are good to go.

As said above by others though, every option the vehicle has adds weight. Air conditioner, trailer hitch, bigger engine, upgrade tires, full fuel tank...

Actually weigh your potential new van and look at it's owners manual then do the all the math.

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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2017, 10:56:44 AM »
Thanks Scott-
I've also been operating under the impression that a "cargo van" is not necessarily as bare bones as a "cargo van WT" but now I'm wondering if I'm wrong and that any cargo van is going to be super bare bones in terms of seat comfort, etc. in the cab area.  If you happen to know that, please let me know.

Meanwhile, I'm now considering biting the bullet and looking at Chev 2500HD trucks.  I was hoping to stay with a van but ...  well, the above reason.  Found one that looks a bit interesting - 4x4.  That would be good but I don't know what 4x4 does to one's mileage. 

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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2017, 01:42:24 PM »
Will do Mark, thanks very much.  It's a truck I'm looking at now.  If cargo vans are as uncomfortable to drive as what I'm now finding they sound like, then I think I need to revise my thinking about trucks. 

TO EVERYONE! 
Thank you ALL so VERY much for helping me figure out what these numbers mean and how to put them together.  I really appreciate it a lot. 

scottydl

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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2017, 04:43:47 PM »
Was your main reason for a van to allow for minimalist camping in the van itself at times?

I'm not sure about any differences between versions of cargo vans... you'd probably have to go look at some in person to know for sure.  But either way, they are generally built strictly for utility and not for comfort.

4x4 is a fine feature, but it generally isn't needed for towing and adds 300-500# to the vehicle weight... hence that same amount is subtracted from overall towing capacity.
Scott, wife, 3 boys... and the dog
- 2008 Forest River Wildwood 32BHDS
- 1995 Chevrolet Suburban C2500 tow vehicle
- 1994 Thor Residency motorhome... owned 2007-2012

grashley

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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2017, 05:40:28 PM »
I am sure you have seen this page.       http://www.gmc.com/previous-year/savana-cargo-van/features-specs/trims.html#   

You are very correct about the towing specs.  About 3000# payload for the 2500; and 4000 for the 3500.  The extended costs 200# of payload due to its weight.  Either one should do fine.

NOTE OF CAUTION: This is the 2016 model specs.  They can change year to year.  Make SURE to check the yellow label to verify THAT van has sufficient payload to meet your needs.  I would guess the yellow label payloads to be 200# - 400# less, depending on option packages.

You should be in great shape!
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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2017, 04:19:11 AM »
Scott- 
Main reason for the cargo van vs. truck is that my tow vehicle would be my car as well.  It would also serve as a camper that may not be pretty to the eye but would work for me.  But in terms of "my car" use, I would strongly prefer an empty van to a pickup truck.  (First waking thought this morning was, "hmmm, don't quite turn loose of van idea yet.")  From what I hear, the seating in a Ford cargo van is not conducive to long trip driving (e.g., New England/Florida).  But I have not sat in a driver's seat of a GMC cargo van.  So that's next on the agenda. 

Which leads me to...

Thanks for that link, Grashley!  I have not been able to get that spec sheet to work!  So now another question.  Under Mechanical, it says "Heavy Duty Towing Package."  Under that, it says, "Trailering Hitch Platform, 7-pin sealed connector (assume that's electric brake wiring) but then it says "Requires Available Dedicated Natural Gas System."  WHAZZZAT?? Can all this be added after market?  Either by GMC or a Camper's World type service dept.?

And do either of you know whether nicer seats can be safely installed into a cargo van?  If so is that terribly expensive?

markbarendt

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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2017, 05:24:28 AM »
OTW custom interiors and seating for vans have been done and done well for many, many years. So well that it spawned it's own class of RVs, class B.

I'd suggest you find a dealer that sells converted vans and class B MH's, not necessarily to buy one, but to see what's possible.

One distinct difference that will affect you comfort between an "empty" PU and "empty" van is noise. PU interiors are typically finished and quiet, empty vans are unfinished and like riding in a steel can. 

Once you are done at the place with the conversion vans go to a dealer with an empty van and take a ride.

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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2017, 06:25:08 PM »
Under Mechanical, it says "Heavy Duty Towing Package."  Under that, it says, "Trailering Hitch Platform, 7-pin sealed connector (assume that's electric brake wiring) but then it says "Requires Available Dedicated Natural Gas System."  WHAZZZAT?? Can all this be added after market? 

And do either of you know whether nicer seats can be safely installed into a cargo van?  If so is that terribly expensive?

I suspect the Natural Gas bit is in the wrong place.  I did not see a natural gas option for the van anywhere!  The 7 pin wiring includes wiring for lights and brakes.  A brake controller is needed.

Looking at the option list, 6 way power seats are available, along with power windows, locks, cruise, remote start, nav system, etc.  The best advise is still to go drive a few.
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Preacher Gordon
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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2017, 05:39:12 AM »
Okay, I'm backing off the cargo van idea as a tow vehicle at least to start with.  I won't bore you with why but what I wanted from it will be way less often needed than what would actually probably work better with a crew cab PU and a lockable toneau cover or cap. 

What I think I have found is a small car/truck lot that I've passed many times and barely noticed, where owner, service manager and other key employees have been there for years.  They have great reviews (the kind that look quite real) and from what I can tell they target local repeat business and word of mouth.  I'm going to go there this morning and was told the SM knows towing very well, that he'll sit down with me, hear what I want to tow and carry, and then recommend specific truck choices.  (MECCA!)  Then when I'm ready, if they don't have it, they can look for it specifically as they visit auctions.  Their inventory leans toward GMC/Chevy clean-used.  It appears they price "fairly."  Not 'blow-out cheap' where you kinda wonder, and not high from what I can tell.  But if I have confidence vs. skepticism, that's worth a lot.  I'll know if they're what I think they are, when I get there.

You all have may never know how much you have helped me in this thread, and I strongly suspect there will be others who'll come across it as time goes on who will also be extremely helped by it.  You've explained A LOT!  Thank you very, very much.  I'll come back to it in case of replies, and of course, if I need to verify anything further will ask.  But {{{BIG HUGS}}} in the meantime.  Whew! 

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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2017, 07:25:19 AM »
That's exactly what these threads are for, to help you "talk it out" and learn more as you go.  Stick around, because I'm sure you'll have truck purchasing/towing questions as that time arrives... and then there's the whole RV buying/using part.  ;)
Scott, wife, 3 boys... and the dog
- 2008 Forest River Wildwood 32BHDS
- 1995 Chevrolet Suburban C2500 tow vehicle
- 1994 Thor Residency motorhome... owned 2007-2012

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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2017, 10:13:54 AM »
That's exactly what these threads are for, to help you "talk it out" and learn more as you go.  Stick around, because I'm sure you'll have truck purchasing/towing questions as that time arrives... and then there's the whole RV buying/using part.  ;)

Oh I will definitely not disappear, lol.  Thanks for the warmie though.  ;-)

grashley

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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2017, 05:54:45 PM »
That's exactly what these threads are for, to help you "talk it out" and learn more as you go.  Stick around, because I'm sure you'll have truck purchasing/towing questions as that time arrives... and then there's the whole RV buying/using part.  ;)

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Let us know what you find and what you buy!
Preacher Gordon
09 Grand Junction 35 TMS - not yet received
2013 F350 Lariat LB SRW Supercab diesel 4X4
Nimrod Series 70 popup (sold)
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Re: Please Help? Re what van I'd need to tow a 7000-lb. GVWR trailer
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2017, 05:03:06 AM »
I will Grashley, thanks!  It will be a while before I actually buy the truck.  Have not yet purchased the TT I like, but sure am flirting with it.

 

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