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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2017, 01:01:47 AM »
Even at my age I can still change my RV tires. Always have Jack. torque  wrench, blocks, etc to handle the job.  I carry tire repair kits also.

There's always the important distinction between can I do it? and do I really want to do it? to consider also.  ;)  Heck at MY age (39 now, 29 when I started RV'ing) I can certainly change tires, but that doesn't mean I'd have a good time wrestling with a giant RV tire with 12 lug nuts.  I'd much rather let the roadside assistance guy handle that when he shows up... that's why I pay my insurance company for that extra service, after all.
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2017, 07:27:12 AM »
For Class A size tires, try https://simpletire.com/  They have good prices, but be aware that by the time you add FET, shipping, disposal fees, and local installation, there may not be much difference than what a commercial tire shop will offer.  I was always able to get a local truck tire shop to come within $10-$20 per tire and I didn't have to do anything except drive in and pay the bill after.

Discount Tire (tire.com), Tirerack, etc. don't do much with larger sizes. Nor can most Discount Tire, or Tire Discount Warehouse stores install 22+ inch tires - they don't have the equipment to mount of balance them.
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2017, 12:39:33 PM »
What is FET?

I looked up my tire (Hankook AH12 275/70R/22.5) on simpletire and it was $295.99 + 32.51 FET = 328.46.
Don't know if tax would be added to that or not.  I put in my zip code (to calculate shipping) but didn't see any numbers
change - although I didn't put it in my cart........

Is there a less expensive brand I should look at (for a spare) or is that not advised?

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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2017, 12:55:43 PM »
Even at my age I can still change my RV tires. Always have Jack. torque  wrench, blocks, etc to handle the job

It seems to me that what type of towing vehicle makes a difference.  If it's a TT, FW, Class B or Class C, I can see someone changing the tire.  With a Class A it might be a whole different story. With the first group, you may change the tire in minutes rather than waiting hours for road assistance, specially if there are time constraints.  When I had a tire problem I was in a campground and not in a hurry. I waited 1 1/2 hours.  The guy replaced it in five minutes.  Although I don't have the same equipment he had, as he came with air powered tools, I could probably have done it in 10-15 minutes. But I was not in a hurry.... so I could wait.
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2017, 02:48:55 PM »
Even at my age I can still change my RV tires. Always have Jack. torque  wrench, blocks, etc to handle the job

It seems to me that what type of towing vehicle makes a difference.  If it's a TT, FW, Class B or Class C, I can see someone changing the tire.  With a Class A it might be a whole different story. With the first group, you may change the tire in minutes...


In theory, yes.  That's what I thought when my tow dolly (of all things with small, manageable tires) had a highway blowout.  I had a spare dolly tire already mounted/inflated on a spare rim, a 4-way lug wrench, and figured I'd have it knocked out in 10 minutes.  I soon found out the dolly lug nuts were seized SO tight that my lug wrench "end" cracked and became useless.  I unloaded the toad, my wife loaded up the kids and drove the rest of the way home (where we were headed anyway), and I waited 2 hours for roadside assistance to arrive and change the tire in 5 minutes.  ::)
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2017, 03:02:37 PM »
My spare tire on the rim weighs about a hundred pounds!

Good luck manhandling that on side of interstate when it's the inside dually that went flat.

Of course the repairman did handle all this, but he had powerful equipment to help him too.

In the Caribbean I traveled with a tire repair kit and used it once too.

I do have a can of inflatable tire repair. Buy a can for truck tires. IT WORKS.

I had a leaky flat the campground.

We put the can of fix-a-flat into the tire, then drove to the tire store.

It was fully inflated and holding, but we bought a new tire anyhow. That is how I ended up with the odd 3. I had put on new front tires and was waiting for the cash for the 4 rear tires. Then I had the campground flat, I just bought one.

The guy was super busy and worked us in, but his tires were no bargain. But he did have the matching tire like the front ones.

When I got back to Florida a few months later and had the tread come off the old one, I then bought the other 3 matching tires form a tire place and the price was much better.

By the way my insurance road side service is far cheaper than AAA or Coachnet and provides basically the same services.
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2017, 08:47:46 AM »
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I looked up my tire (Hankook AH12 275/70R/22.5) on simpletire and it was $295.99 + 32.51 FET = 328.46.
Don't know if tax would be added to that or not.  I put in my zip code (to calculate shipping) but didn't see any numbers
change - although I didn't put it in my cart........

When you click Calculate Shipping on Simple Tire, it inserts 2-3 lines above the button with an estimated shipping cost, but the displayed price (below the button) doesn't change. For my zip (34488), it came to $37.35 per tire.   

You have to arrange local installation (mount and balance) and the installer may collect additional state & local fees for things like tire disposal. Technically you are also liable for sales/use tax on the tire purchase price if the state has one, but few people actually declare & pay it.

Simple Tire gives you choices in multiple price ranges and the 275/70R22.5 ranges as low as $156, so yes you can buy cheaper ones. The risk with the cheap ones is primarily that quality is less consistent and warranty service harder to get if you do get a bad one. You have to make your own call on that. Hankook is an internationally recognized brand with a solid rep for quality tires.
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2017, 01:10:43 PM »

You have to arrange local installation (mount and balance) and the installer may collect additional state & local fees for things like tire disposal. Technically you are also liable for sales/use tax on the tire purchase price if the state has one, but few people actually declare & pay it.

Thanks for the info Gary.

If I only wanted a spare tire to carry JUST IN CASE then I wouldn't be taking it to a "Local" installer.

What is the FET for if you ALSO have to pay sales tax?  OH silly me they like to squeeze as much money out of us as they can, to spend
it on themselves.   I have never heard of car tires having an FET fee added on - unless it's built in and they never mention it

I'm still on the fence yet.  I may call around my local area and see if anyone has a used tire in my size.

I have to believe that the major reason for carrying a spare is so we don't get screwed and pay list price or more when out on the road.
That and if for some strange reason they didn't stock my size tire or were just out of my size, then it would save me from having to be towed,
which would take more time vs. a tire change on the side of the road and then on our way......
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2017, 03:28:58 PM »
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What is the FET for if you ALSO have to pay sales tax?

FET is Federal, sales tax is state...
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2017, 05:56:03 PM »
FET is Federal, sales tax is state...

How many other products do we have to pay Federal AND State taxes on?

So Why do we have to pay both on Tires?
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2017, 06:35:11 PM »
How many other products do we have to pay Federal AND State taxes on?

So Why do we have to pay both on Tires?

Gas and diesel have both federal and state taxes.

" What is FET?"

"FET is an acronym for federal excise tax. It refers to the tax imposed by the federal government on tires used on the road with a maximum load capacity greater then 3500 pounds. Generally this applies to medium truck tires and heavy duty trailer tires."

What is FET and why do I have to pay it?
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2017, 06:51:36 PM »
How many other products do we have to pay Federal AND State taxes on?

So Why do we have to pay both on Tires?

Here's a decent set of answers to that question: What is FET and why do I have to pay it?

And if you're a history buff, look at this one!  Federal Excise Tax on Tires: Where the Rubber Meets the Road (Public Policy Archive)
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2017, 06:59:43 PM »
Gas and diesel have both federal and state taxes.

" What is FET?"

"FET is an acronym for federal excise tax. It refers to the tax imposed by the federal government on tires used on the road with a maximum load capacity greater then 3500 pounds. Generally this applies to medium truck tires and heavy duty trailer tires."

What is FET and why do I have to pay it?

They may try and say it's for the roads because heavy vehicles cause more damage but.....

IT is NOT used for our roads - because they are in such bad shape anyone can tell they are not being taken care of even though
they are receiving FET money.  Sad    :(

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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2017, 07:18:20 PM »
They may try and say it's for the roads because heavy vehicles cause more damage but.....

IT is NOT used for our roads - because they are in such bad shape anyone can tell they are not being taken care of even though
they are receiving FET money.  Sad    :(

Well, that's getting into a political area that I don't think is appropriate here, but the case could probably be made for whether the states are receiving enough federal money to maintain the roads, or whether they're effectively using the money they do receive. Either way, dropping the FET on tires would not help.
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2017, 02:39:10 PM »
When I bought my coach it had a spare tire up in one of the pass thru compartments. I replaced the michelins odd size tires with Yohohamas in a different size. I have acquired a wheel and planed on buying another new tire for a spare, mounting it and carrying  it in the same place. It won't fit in the space mounted because the wheel sticks out another 3". I'm still going to buy another NEW tire to put back in there. I can't change it myself but at least I'll have it if needed. I'm also going to buy another sack of beads the dealer used when mounting my tires. I'm not going to chance it. I had a flat on my old Itasca with 16" tires many years ago. Limped it to a truck shop just outside of St Louis, Mo. They didn't have a tire nor did the other shop a mile from them. My spare was over 10 years old and they refused to put it on. I had to beg them, and it took quite a while to convince them to put it on for me. They made me sign a paper that they would NOT be held responsible for any damages what so ever pertaining that tire. I've traveled 3700 miles this summer without a spare but was very uneasy the hole time. I will be getting a spare tire for mine. 
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2017, 02:59:25 PM »
 The last time out was the first time I needed a tire..In 50 years of RVing..  Returning from a trip to northeast Oregon I turned left onto an on ramp for I84 southbound,, at which time a highway patrolman jumped out of his car and waved me to the shoulder,(WHAT NOW!!) (fortunately the shoulder was three lanes wide at that point). He said I had a tire problem on my toad,( 72 ACVW BAJA),, the left rear was GONE!! a thin rubber band still on each side of the wheel but no damage to the wheel (A hard to find collectable wheel).. Called Coach Net and gave them the location, tire specs.,..They checked stock and had the size in two choices,$190.00 or $104.00..
 Bring me the 104 and I will deal with the problem when arriving home.. I had to buy the tire of course and the labor to install it,, everything else was on Coach Net. (Coach Net will pay only to install a mounted tire ).>>>Dan

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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2017, 05:52:40 PM »
I carry a mounted spare in the bed of my truck for my 5'er. If going on a long drive i throw another unmounted spare next to it. I have the road side assistance but i am more worried about being on some road in the middle of nowhere with no cell reception. What would you do then? Wait till some strange man drives by and hitch a ride to the nearest phone. Leaving your family on the side of the road. Sounds like the making of some horror film on Netflix. I am pretty sure i could change a 200lb tire if i had too. Have the spare and the proper equipment just in case.

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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2017, 06:14:42 AM »
We used to fulltime in a 37' triple axle 5th wheel. We were parked in what South Dakato laughably referred to as a rest stop overnight in the dead of winter. It was a Sunday morning and I woke up to sub zero temperatures and a middle outside tire showing the steel belts. I don't know how I determined it but it seemed my middle axle was bent. I had a jack that would lift the trailer enough to get the tire off. Did not want to use spare on a bent axle. Unhitched, locked up and headed to pohunk town looking for a tire. Found a tire shop open and bought a same size cheap tire, had it mounted and I installed on trailer. Was just good enough to get me to the factory where the axle was replaced and a new tire installed....for free.

Fast forward a few years and we're traveling out west where one can easily forget how fast you are going. Blew a tire. Replaced with the spare. Blew another tire. Took it off and since it was a triple axle did not have to have a tire for the distance I was going to town. Tire shop replaced tire with trailer still hooked to truck. Didn't cost much. Later was refueling and had conversation with gentleman in a carhauler. Told him I was blowing tires. He asked my speed and I said about 75-80. He said slow down to 60-65 and you won't blow anymore tires. It worked.
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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #49 on: November 08, 2017, 01:49:50 PM »
Week before last we needed our spare . . . yep, had a spare on the holder on the back of the motorhome, tire looked good . . . would have been great if it had been the right size.  Needless to say we had not looked closely enough to verify that :-[   Even better, after we replaced the blown out tire, bought another rim and tire so we'd have an effective spare, the spare tire cover wouldn't fit and the tow bar wouldn't fold out of the way. 

So word of advice, verify the size of your spare.

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Re: Flat tire questions
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2017, 09:15:03 PM »
A  spare 22.5 tire and rim has been under our 1997 Allegro Bus M35 DP since new.  When its time for new tires the inside drivers side rear tire/rim goes under the coach to replace the spare and the old spare and remaining 5 rims get new rubber.   (so there's never been a 20 year old spare)
//and to answer the OP's question, there's never been a roadside flat on this rig since new.
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