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I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« on: February 10, 2017, 12:17:58 PM »
We just looked at our bank statement for Feb and both my wife and my amount was the exact same as last year.

Any one know why they are hood winking us ????

 Maybe throw a crumb to us and then take it back in taxes ?

 I would be curious to know if anyone actually got an increase ?

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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2017, 12:30:59 PM »
Careful. This topic could ignite an immediate political debate that is really not wanted on this forum.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2017, 12:35:15 PM »
I never heard anything about a raise this year.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2017, 12:38:45 PM »
We got about 0.3% raise and the Medicare cost raised by the same mount.  The net value deposited in your account was the same. At least that was what I understood to be the case.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2017, 01:31:27 PM »
I think I got like $13. Lol
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2017, 01:48:33 PM »
I haven't started to draw yet so cannot help. Thought I would let the pot grow some. Wanted to make sure you old guys got your money first.  8)
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2017, 01:49:30 PM »
Well don't blame me.  Looking at my pay stubs I am paying PLENTY into SS and Taxes....LOL
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2017, 01:57:39 PM »
Mine was a crumb.

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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2017, 02:11:51 PM »
Like Charlie Brown said,  "I got a rock".   ;D ;D ;D
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2017, 03:05:37 PM »
We got about 0.3% raise and the Medicare cost raised by the same mount.  The net value deposited in your account was the same. At least that was what I understood to be the case.

I'm with Judway -- we got a slight raise, but medicare increased exactly the same amount, thus leaving the deposit (not the total on paper) exactly the same amount as last year.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2017, 03:17:53 PM »
The medicare costs actually rose more than the SS increase.  For the people who have medicare come out of SS the raise in medicare is limited to the amount of the SS increase.  These are the lucky people and my husband is one of them.  When I get ready to take medicare my premium will be much higher than his due to his being locked in to SS increases.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2017, 06:55:10 PM »
I would have to look at my statements but this is a true story;

My mother, who was head of accounting for a multi-million dollar research and develement company. once turned down a raise.. WHY.

Well it would have put her in a higher tax bracket and resulted in LESS money in the pay check.

You may have done like that. Also though they give us a few dollars increase.. They also increased the Medicare preminums for those of us who have no choice.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2017, 08:02:01 AM »
Yeap - the SS increase got wiped out by the Medicare B increase. The "B" premium increase actually exceeds what just about everybody got in their 0.3% SS raise, but by law the premium increase cannot cause a net decrease in your SS income, so they balance out to "zero".
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2017, 09:13:19 AM »
Thanks Gary,

 I recall reading back in November that we were going to get a slight increase, but the article didn't say anything about Medicare B wiping it out.

Thankfully we have our MRD from our IRA each year to add a few bucks to the bank account

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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2017, 09:26:46 AM »
That happened to me once, no fantastic salary but the anual pay raise resulted in a smaller take home check.

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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2017, 09:32:58 AM »
I was going to say something but it would have started a political war so I will leave it alone ;) ;)
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2017, 09:42:15 AM »
I was going to say something but it would have started a political war so I will leave it alone ;) ;)
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2017, 11:03:06 AM »
Yeap - the SS increase got wiped out by the Medicare B increase. The "B" premium increase actually exceeds what just about everybody got in their 0.3% SS raise, but by law the premium increase cannot cause a net decrease in your SS income, so they balance out to "zero".

That's what happened to me.  Zero change.  Looking forward to Bigly increases in 2018.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2017, 06:54:30 PM »
  That's really interesting,, since my wife and I both got a net $2.00 DECREASE..>>>Dan
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2017, 07:23:48 PM »
Yes I did and it only cost me $10 more  a month because they raised the cost of my medicare.

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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2017, 08:32:18 AM »
Sounds like you need to call the person that is supposed to be representing you in the congress/senate. They are the ones that control this.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2017, 08:48:48 AM »
No need for any political war on this.  The rules for SS increases have been in law for years. They are based on Cost of Living figures and this is where the problem starts.  I have read and been told that the cost of living figure does NOT include the cost of food or fuel yet I see many citing the reduction in fuel prices as one reason we did not get more of an increase.  Along with practically nothing in interest on savings while the stock market thrives those living on fixed incomes  - not so much.  Interest rates of less than one percent are common.  For me, the Fed is killing the little guy by holding interest rates at slightly above zero.  I hold no stock or bonds and I think millions are in the same boat.  So, I take what I am given and am told to keep my mouth shut and be happy.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2017, 09:08:19 AM »
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2017, 09:28:22 AM »
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That's really interesting,, since my wife and I both got a net $2.00 DECREASE..

There are a few ways that can happen, but it typically involves a change of SS or Medicare status of some sort.  The Medicare & SS benefit calculations and complex that depend on several factors. For example, my wife pays a slightly higher Medicare B premium than I do because she is a 9 months younger and falls into a different age grouping. However, both of our increases netted out to zero change in the take-home amount. To understand what happened, you have to look at the line items in your benefit calculation and not just the bank deposit amount.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2017, 09:34:50 AM »
Robbing the cradle, huh Gary :o
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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2017, 09:51:38 AM »
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2017, 11:10:47 AM »
My monthly increase was $5.40 but I don't have part B yet. I'm still on my wifes group insurance, but that's about to change. I talked to her boss yesterday, and she told me she thought Donna should go on medical leave after her paid time off is used up. The difference is we won't have a check when the time runs out, but we just have to pay our part for the insurance per month, for up to 1 year.  If she goes on disability then we have to go on cobra and that cost is way up there. 
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2017, 11:38:12 AM »
I would like to apologize to anyone I have not yet offended. Please be patient and I will get to you shortly.

Seiler.... In days of old when I used NETTAMER on Usenet and had a stock of about 1,000 tag lines It would pick from at random..... I wish I'd have had that one.. Very good... Love it... (Yes folks I know off topic)

Mandatory on topic part:

I'm not sure what is included these days in the Consumer Pirce Index but I may look it up "I was told" well.. I've been told many things that failed at the first blush when I researched... And I have also been told many things that passed research as well.

For example: I was once told of one George Washington, as a child, cutting down a cherry tree... Turns out, based on research, that would have been Impossible for him to do.   The Cherry is not native to North America and was not imported till after George boy was an adult.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2017, 12:07:42 PM »
Seiler.... In days of old when I used NETTAMER on Usenet and had a stock of about 1,000 tag lines It would pick from at random..... I wish I'd have had that one.. Very good... Love it... (Yes folks I know off topic)
Well I obviously stole it so feel free to steal it from me.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2017, 12:35:11 PM »
More OT for clarity -- -

For example: I was once told of one George Washington, as a child, cutting down a cherry tree... Turns out, based on research, that would have been Impossible for him to do.   The Cherry is not native to North America and was not imported till after George boy was an adult.

Almost John.  The sweet and sour cherry most of us know are not native.  However, the black cherry (Prunus serotina) and the chokecherry (Prunus virginiana), are definitely native.  The chokecherry is the official state fruit of North Dakota.  Quite edible, with some manipulation. The species name of the chokecherry in relation to the GW story could be a head-scratcher.

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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2017, 01:24:21 PM »

I have read and been told that the cost of living figure does NOT include the cost of food or fuel yet I see many citing the reduction in fuel prices as one reason we did not get more of an increase.


The COLA for SS is indeed based on the CPI "cost of a basket of goods and services across the country" and DOES include food, medical, and transportation costs among other things.  BUT, SS uses a subset of the CPI called the CPI for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers, known as the CPI-W.  They take the overall CPI and then using statistics from the Bureau of Labor they calculate what the exposure to the changes in costs are for only a certain demographic - urban wage/clerical workers.  This demographic includes ONLY those households with at least 50% of the income coming from clerical or wage paying jobs and at least one of householders must have been employed at least 70% of the year.   Complicated, you bet, and you can most likely be assured that SS has finagled a way to use an "index" that gives the lowest COLA - IMHO.   I've read that the CPI-W represents about 28% of the population, whereas the full CPI covers 89%.   Go figure why the COLA is based on inflation exposure to a limited demographic.  (not being political!)

An annual SS COLA increase comes about only when the average of the July, August, and Sept. inflation numbers are annualized and then compared to the inflation rate in the last COLA adjustment year -- which could have been years earlier as recent history has been.  If the new CPI-W is higher than the third quarters in the last COLA year, then an increase is given.   I guess I'm just happy they don't LOWER SS when it isn't. 

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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2017, 08:31:57 AM »
I would have to look at my statements but this is a true story;
My mother, who was head of accounting for a multi-million dollar research and develement company. once turned down a raise.. WHY.
Well it would have put her in a higher tax bracket and resulted in LESS money in the pay check.

To stay on topic. my Social Security check stayed the same, Marlene's decreased by a dollar.

To highjack it a little, John, that is an old fallacy, your mother should have taken another accounting course. Moving into a higher tax bracket is a marginal move. All the earnings above the increased bracket point is taxed at the higher level but all of the income below that level is taxed at the same old level. Since payroll taxes vary depending on exemptions claimed, it is hard to say what the exact tax withholding increase would be, but payroll taxes seldom exceed 30% and a salary increase would have only added another couple of points to the withholding. Your mother would have had an increase in her take home pay of at least 50% of the increased pay. She would have also increased her average income level for determining Social Security benefits. Taxable Social Security benefits is another issue and not addressed by this.
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Re: I thought we were going to get a slight social security increase
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2017, 12:56:46 PM »
....  I have read and been told that the cost of living figure does NOT include the cost of food or fuel yet I see many citing the reduction in fuel prices as one reason we did not get more of an increase.  Along with practically nothing in interest on savings while the stock market thrives those living on fixed incomes  - not so much.  ...

From the BLS website:

What goods and services does the CPI cover?
The CPI represents all goods and services purchased for consumption by the reference population (U or W) BLS has classified all expenditure items into more than 200 categories, arranged into eight major groups. Major groups and examples of categories in each are as follows:
FOOD AND BEVERAGES (breakfast cereal, milk, coffee, chicken, wine, full service meals, snacks)
HOUSING (rent of primary residence, owners' equivalent rent, fuel oil, bedroom furniture)
APPAREL (men's shirts and sweaters, women's dresses, jewelry)
TRANSPORTATION (new vehicles, airline fares, gasoline, motor vehicle insurance)
MEDICAL CARE (prescription drugs and medical supplies, physicians' services, eyeglasses and eye care, hospital services)
RECREATION (televisions, toys, pets and pet products, sports equipment, admissions);
EDUCATION AND COMMUNICATION (college tuition, postage, telephone services, computer software and accessories);
OTHER GOODS AND SERVICES (tobacco and smoking products, haircuts and other personal services, funeral expenses).
Also included within these major groups are various government-charged user fees, such as water and sewerage charges, auto registration fees, and vehicle tolls. In addition, the CPI includes taxes (such as sales and excise taxes) that are directly associated with the prices of specific goods and services. However, the CPI excludes taxes (such as income and Social Security taxes) not directly associated with the purchase of consumer goods and services.
The CPI does not include investment items, such as stocks, bonds, real estate, and life insurance. (These items relate to savings and not to day-to-day consumption expenses.)
For each of the more than 200 item categories, using scientific statistical procedures, the Bureau has chosen samples of several hundred specific items within selected business establishments frequented by consumers to represent the thousands of varieties available in the marketplace. For example, in a given supermarket, the Bureau may choose a plastic bag of golden delicious apples, U.S. extra fancy grade, weighing 4.4 pounds to represent the Apples category.


From the list you can see food and fuel is included.
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