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decaturbob

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My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« on: February 13, 2017, 11:29:50 AM »
and telescoping mast.  Got all the parts and pieces over the winter and trying to get antennas mounted and cables routed inside of coach before we take off for arizona in 10 days.

Here are some pics of my morning work with unistrut, antennas and mounting
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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2017, 12:46:52 PM »
People will mistake you for an NSA agent  8)

Looks nice and secure!

RedandSilver

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2017, 01:33:01 PM »
Looks good.  I might have to copy your good idea..... ;D

They look like light stands without the tripod feet/legs attached.
Do you have a link where you got them from and how much they cost.
Did they come in different lengths?

How much is the WiFi omni antenna's gain?  And where did you get those too?

I for one, will be interested to see how you bring the cables inside and back out again if they are going to be less
than permanent.

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supermanotorious

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2017, 01:37:05 PM »
what part of Arizona are you headed to? if you have an inverter and are interested, I could help you install the automatic transfer system I invented, you buy the parts (less than $60) and can pay for my time in beers, I can order the parts and send you an invoice so everything is ready when you get here
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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2017, 01:38:07 PM »
One more thing.

Your windows look like they are mirrors in the images.
Kind of cool.
Are they really mirror coated or was it just the angle and light of the day that made them look that way?
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RedandSilver

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2017, 01:41:10 PM »
what part of Arizona are you headed to? if you have an inverter and are interested, I could help you install the automatic transfer system I invented, you buy the parts (less than $60) and can pay for my time in beers, I can order the parts and send you an invoice so everything is ready when you get here
Can you shed some light on the Automatic transfer system you invented?

What it does etc.  -  Sorry if I missed a posting you did explaining what it was and did.
You can PM me if you like.
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supermanotorious

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2017, 03:42:12 PM »
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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2017, 05:09:32 PM »
all the info is in or linked in this thread

http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,96811.0/all.html
Thanks for the link.

Looks like that was a big project and you did a great job moving the batteries and fabricating the frame for them etc.
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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2017, 06:00:58 PM »
what part of Arizona are you headed to? if you have an inverter and are interested, I could help you install the automatic transfer system I invented, you buy the parts (less than $60) and can pay for my time in beers, I can order the parts and send you an invoice so everything is ready when you get here

Just curious, but what does your ATS do that one of the off the shelf ATS doesn't do for about the same price with no assembly required?
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decaturbob

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2017, 06:24:40 PM »
Looks good.  I might have to copy your good idea..... ;D

They look like light stands without the tripod feet/legs attached.
Do you have a link where you got them from and how much they cost.
Did they come in different lengths?

How much is the WiFi omni antenna's gain?  And where did you get those too?

I for one, will be interested to see how you bring the cables inside and back out again if they are going to be less
than permanent.

I bought a 5 section aluminum telescoping mast which I was able to disassemble into a 2 section and a 3 section telescoping mast. I'll find a link to it.  The wifi antenna is from radiolabs and I got their USB wijacker repeater. The gain is something around 18db off the top of my head.  I'll post pics after I install wiremold and get the cables routed into the coach. It will be a permanent install when done.
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decaturbob

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2017, 06:26:16 PM »
One more thing.

Your windows look like they are mirrors in the images.
Kind of cool.
Are they really mirror coated or was it just the angle and light of the day that made them look that way?

There is a coating on windows.
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supermanotorious

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2017, 11:33:15 PM »
Just curious, but what does your ATS do that one of the off the shelf ATS doesn't do for about the same price with no assembly required?

I'd love to see examples of what you're comparing mine to
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decaturbob

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2017, 04:24:08 AM »
Looks good.  I might have to copy your good idea..... ;D

They look like light stands without the tripod feet/legs attached.
Do you have a link where you got them from and how much they cost.
Did they come in different lengths?

How much is the WiFi omni antenna's gain?  And where did you get those too?

I for one, will be interested to see how you bring the cables inside and back out again if they are going to be less
than permanent.

I got the mast from  www.k1cra.com     MAST21B   21 Foot Telescoping Aluminum Mast - For WiFi, Portable Antennas
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decaturbob

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2017, 04:26:14 AM »
People will mistake you for an NSA agent  8)

Looks nice and secure!


my cell phone antenna I can extend 10ft above my coach, the wifi perhaps 10ft to the top tip.....when I did that, like whoa
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supermanotorious

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2017, 06:39:55 AM »
very few on this forum even understand "like whoa" I love the song by Black Rob ha ha ha
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NY_Dutch

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2017, 06:58:42 AM »
I'd love to see examples of what you're comparing mine to

Here's just one. Amazon lists several others:

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supermanotorious

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2017, 07:09:46 AM »
interesting, I truly did not know there were options like this out there, I'd like to see the install manual, that will tell me if were comparing apples to apples which I doubt

my system allows the inverter to fully tie in the converter but eliminates a charging loop, where the batteries power the inverter which powers the converter which tries to charge the batteries

plus mine instantly switches power, there is no delay, your computer wouldn't even know it it was without power for a millisecond


ah ha, upon further research, they are calling a DPDT relay an automatic transfer switch, so yes that is the heart of my system but this will give you the loop I describe above, you'd rapidly drain your batteries

my system adds another, smaller 110V dpdt relay to signal a 12V relay when to connect or interrupt the converter's output charging wire, a total of 3 relays in my system
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NY_Dutch

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2017, 07:39:19 AM »
Ok, that makes sense if your feeding the entire RV from the inverter. I use a modified UPS for my sensitive electronics that's designed for the purpose, with my inverter only feeding selected circuits that are within it's wattage limits.
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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2017, 08:19:49 AM »
Just one comment.. That's a lot of mast.

Normally in Radio I will state "Height is Might"  And I can prove it.

however Wi-Fi is an exception.

Once you are high enough to see over the tops of the other RV's to the router's antenna. Well,  Additional height will not improve.. I use either a 20 or 24' (will have to measure it some day) telescoping flag pole. Never needed more.
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decaturbob

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2017, 07:54:52 AM »
Just one comment.. That's a lot of mast.

Normally in Radio I will state "Height is Might"  And I can prove it.

however Wi-Fi is an exception.

Once you are high enough to see over the tops of the other RV's to the router's antenna. Well,  Additional height will not improve.. I use either a 20 or 24' (will have to measure it some day) telescoping flag pole. Never needed more.

I have done tests in my neighborhood...and the difference of 5 feet in height brought 20 more wifi signals into play...but then again we have trees and buildings around....
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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2017, 09:48:00 AM »
Wifi is a very localized broadcast, with the sending antenna typically mounted 10-15 feet above ground and within a few hundred feet of the receiving stations.  Placing your receiver antenna higher than is pointless.  So +5 or +10 feet  is very valuable, but +20-25 feet probably is not. You aren't trying to snatch a signal descending from the clouds.

Cellular, though, is a wide area broadcast and the signal is potentially coming from 20-30 miles away. For that, "height is might" is good advice.
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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2017, 10:02:19 AM »
The single 6' mast on my MH made an amazing difference in picking up cell signal that is used by my wifi modem. That is an amazing amount of antenna masts though I must say.  Do they ever cause cross interference with one another when raised, or do you just raise one at a time?
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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2017, 10:33:14 AM »
Having run miles of strut back in the day, I would suggest coating the cut ends of that strut with some cold galvanizing spray. The strut WILL rust where cut. Keep in mind strut is available in stainless as well as fiberglass, along with the accessories needed. 
You may also want to pick up some of these:

http://www.unistrut.us/index.php?WP=cat_detail&S=S05&P=P2860

They will protect you from being cut by the ends of the strut. You don't have to use Unistrut brand, and the caps should be available at any electric supply house.
I do like your installation though, and will keep it in mind if (when) I need to add antennas.
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decaturbob

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2017, 06:16:35 PM »
getting inside wiring and devices mounted,  Almost all done.  Waiting on a 12v extension to power up my maximum signal box....weather is now warmer to get back outside to mount some wire mold across the rear for antenna leads and bring them through into the wardrobe.  Couple hours I should have this all done and fire it up and test. I did add an asus wireless AP that the wijacker usb router feeds...little or no document I can get radiolabs to send me after sending too many emails and calling and talking to them to request info.......I gotta say the customer service isn't pretty lacking and I hope the product overcomes my disappointment with dealing with them
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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2017, 06:43:03 PM »
Looks good.

Was hoping to see an image of the wires coming inside the coach from the outside, and how you sealed those wires?
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decaturbob

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2017, 04:59:26 AM »
Installed wire mold across top of rear and brought wires into coach.  Used some grommets in the wall penetration on both sides and siliconed the wires.  Will install a 90 deg cap on both ends to keep water out of wire mold.

Will fire both systems up today

I somehow got a positive comment from my wife that it all looks good....
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decaturbob

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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2017, 06:43:59 AM »
I fired the cell phone extender (maximumsignal RV) and saw a 20db gain in signal strength...which is very impressive.  I didn't do any data speed test yet.  What I like is the signal gain was impressive withing a 7-8ft radius of the internal antenna...something none of the other booster systems can achieve....I'll do some wifi system tests over the weekend as time permits
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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2017, 03:41:19 PM »
We love our Max-Amp RV from Maximum Signal! We've had good signals in a number of places where our previous WeBoost Drive 4G-M gave us either a poor or no signal. A great product that I highly recommend. Great customer service too!
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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2017, 05:10:19 PM »
NY_Dutch, decaturbob reports he is getting his gain only within 7-8 feet of the indoor antenna, yet I seem to recall a comment from you that you see the gain throughout your coach, is that correct?
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Re: My current project with wifi and cell phone extender antennas
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2017, 05:57:39 PM »
NY_Dutch, decaturbob reports he is getting his gain only within 7-8 feet of the indoor antenna, yet I seem to recall a comment from you that you see the gain throughout your coach, is that correct?

That's correct, although it does fall off as you move further from the antenna. I'm currently using a prototype "SuperMaxx" antenna that has significantly better range than the standard inside antenna, but the standard antenna also gave us acceptable signal levels throughout the coach and even outside for a short distance. In all cases, the Max-Amp inside coverage has been quite superior to the 3-4 foot max range of the WeBoost "Hershey Bar" inside antenna.
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