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What truck do I need? 20k pound trailer, 3500lb hitch weight
« on: March 02, 2017, 11:59:35 AM »
Hello,

I'm looking at a toy hauler 5th wheel that weighs 20k pounds loaded and has a 3500lb hitch weight. I know my 2003 3/4 ton duramax isn't going to cut the mustard. Will a 3500 dually even handle this? It seems like I'd be getting close to capacity here too. I don't want to have to buy a brand new truck so I'm looking for options 5-10 years old. I like the duramax engine but I can be persuaded.

Thanks,

Casey

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Re: What truck do I need? 20k pound trailer, 3500lb hitch weight
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2017, 12:28:25 PM »
The actual pin weight will be 20-25% of the actual weight of the 5th wheel.  So if it does go to 20k you will be looking at 4-5k pin weight.  I think most any dually will handle that but just look at the door sticker and see what the payload is.  Keep in mind the hitch weight and all cargo as well.
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Re: What truck do I need? 20k pound trailer, 3500lb hitch weight
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2017, 02:56:09 PM »
Just my 2.

If you are going to change your truck and change your 5W - Have you even considered
getting a Class A and towing a trailer.  Might even be able to put a small car in with your toys.

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Re: What truck do I need? 20k pound trailer, 3500lb hitch weight
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2017, 04:31:17 PM »
What Dave says about the hitch pin weight. That 3500 lbs has to be for a dry/empty trailer. If it was loaded to anywhere near the 20k GVWR, the hitch weight will be upwards of 4000 lbs and might hit as much as 5000.
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Re: What truck do I need? 20k pound trailer, 3500lb hitch weight
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2017, 07:42:58 PM »
Hello Casey.

Any FW will place 20% +/- pin wt on the truck.  As Gary said, that 3500# must be empty wt.  PLEASE DISREGARD THIS WEIGHT.  It does not apply to a FW loaded to camp!

With 4k - 5k pin wt, you are beyond 3500 SRW ability.  Most 3500 DRW should be able to handle the load.  Here are three easy tests for a SPECIFIC truck.

1. On the driver door is a white placard showing gross axle wt ratings.  Note the rear axle rating.  Find the rear axle curb weight from the mfg web site.  Verify curb wt plus pin wt is below rear axle rating by at least 300 - 400# to allow for the weight of the hitch and any other equipment or options adding weight to the rear axle.   This should not be a problem.

2.  Check the rear tires load rating.  Multiply by 4 tires.  This must exceed rear axle weight rating / your max load.

3.  On the driver door jamb post, there is a yellow label stating the max capacity of people and cargo must not exceed XXXX.  This is the actual Payload for THIS truck as it left the assembly plant, including all installed options.  Now add together the weight of all passengers, pets, tools, firewood and cargo carried in the truck.  Add 200# for a FW hitch.  Add 4500# for pin wt.  Payload from the yellow label must exceed this number.  Again, unless you have 1500# of people and cargo, this should not be an issue with a 3500 DRW, but do due dinginess and make sure.

You can do well with a truck in the age range you are looking for.  Just take a deep breath and exercise care when looking.  There are some real gems out there if you care to look for them!
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Re: What truck do I need? 20k pound trailer, 3500lb hitch weight
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2017, 06:28:47 AM »
What Dave says about the hitch pin weight. That 3500 lbs has to be for a dry/empty trailer. If it was loaded to anywhere near the 20k GVWR, the hitch weight will be upwards of 4000 lbs and might hit as much as 5000.

OP is looking at a Toyhauler. Doesn't having the toy(s) loaded in the back lessen the 20% pin weight?
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Re: What truck do I need? 20k pound trailer, 3500lb hitch weight
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2017, 07:35:21 AM »
OP is looking at a Toyhauler. Doesn't having the toy(s) loaded in the back lessen the 20% pin weight?

Not necessairly.  Toy haulers are generally designed with at least 25% pin weight when empty.  Loading the storage are to max reduces it to around the 20% mark.

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Re: What truck do I need? 20k pound trailer, 3500lb hitch weight
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2017, 01:33:22 PM »
Dually, without a doubt.
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Re: What truck do I need? 20k pound trailer, 3500lb hitch weight
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2017, 08:29:12 AM »
You can force the pin weight to be less by loading heavy stuff further back, but that's not the point. A 5W is designed to have a heavier pin weight because that adds much greater stability to the tow. That's the reason that a 5W is preferred versus a travel trailer (bumper pull).  You want 20+ percent on the pin, especially on a toy hauler that tends to be load-heavy in the rear and thus increases the risk of sway.
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Re: What truck do I need? 20k pound trailer, 3500lb hitch weight
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2017, 10:03:15 PM »
3500 lbs is quite a bit what toy hauler is it
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Re: What truck do I need? 20k pound trailer, 3500lb hitch weight
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2017, 08:22:05 AM »
He says the toyhauler weighs [up to] 20k lbs loaded. If that is correct, then 3500 lbs is actually light. A 20k lb trailer would have a greater tendency to sway if the pin was that light relative to the trailer weight. 20% is considered a minimum target for 5W pin weight.

The bigger and more luxurious toyhauler models run to that much weight. The Jayco Seismic line has a GVWR of 20,000 and a dry hitch pin weight of 3600.  Forest River Vengeance runs about 19,500 fully loaded, and the Keystone Venom about 19k.
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