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Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« on: March 22, 2017, 02:58:57 PM »

While this a negative review on Suncoast Designs. It should not be of much concern to any owners that do not have a painted exterior. It should be of special interest to Lazy Daze owners due to their unique construction. You will not find negative reviews on Suncoast on Facebook or their own web site because they delete them.

February, 2017 - We went to Hudson, FL to have Suncoast Designs clean five fogged windows in our Lazy Daze MH.  Before we made an appointment we asked if they had worked on a Lazy Daze before. We were assured they had and it would be no problem. When we arrived they said they had done six Lazy Daze in the last few months.

First, the good thing - the windows are clean and clear. Except for one, which already has condensation in it.

When we checked in, the short conversation was very terse. No nice to meet you. We had to pull the information out of her. Where should we park? Where is the dump? What is the WiFi password? etc.

The first thing the next morning, two young men came to remove the valances and shades. Mission accomplished they left. Two others were outside cutting the caulk on the windows with razor blades. This went on for about 90 minutes. The windows barely budged. The original team returned to find out what was taking so long. They said they it usually took 5 to 10 minutes to remove a window. The original pair, led by Austin, went into a frenzied physical mode using pry bars to remove the windows. At this point, I did not know they were bending the window frames in the process. I would not know this until the windows were put back in and bulges in the frames showed where the pry bar was used.

After a window was removed, I could see why removal was difficult. The manufacturer put a bead of Locite sealant on the aluminum skin which bonded with the aluminum frame. Another rubber like sealant was used to prevent water from even getting to the Loctite. A belt and suspenders deal. One could argue itís overkill. I am not so sure.

Before a pry bar was used, we should have appraised that they were experiencing difficulties they had never encountered before. And we should have been offered some choices. Such as:
1) Abandon the project.
2) Advise us the window frames would be bent if they continued.
3) That an additional charge would have to be made because of the extra time needed to remove the windows without bending them.

But they said nothing and we did not know the frames were being bent.

They sealed the window openings with plastic lined cardboard held on with painters tape. Remember the painters tape, this will come into play the next day.

The next day, they had us bring the rig inside to put the windows back in, as it was raining.
Thatís when we heard a rubber mallet pounding the bent frames almost back into shape. They applied a bead caulk ONLY to the exterior. No caulk was put under the lip of the window between the frame and the aluminum skin. That means the caulk will have to be redone every 1/2 years due to deterioration from UV light.

This is when I find two places where the paint was lifted off where the painters tape that held the plastic lined cardboard on overnight. One of the men told us that they had told the manager/owner about this problem with the tape before. [Since the majority of rigs are fiberglass, this would not be problem]

They did not do a water test because it was raining. Overnight it continued to rain. One window, over a couch, was not sealed at the top. It leaked and wet the couch. They sealed it.

We were asked to sign a checklist that said the work had been done. I noted the GM had already signed it, even though he had not looked at our rig. In fact, we did not see him out of the building the time we were there.

Now the second experience - not at all pleasant!  We go inside to pay and asked to speak to the manager. The customer rep, Taylor, says the General Manager has already seen the pictures where the paint was removed and they will take no responsibility for it. We think we should get some credit to have it repainted.  She is determined that will not happen, but finally admits she is authorized to give us $100 off.  After some arguing and then demanding to speak to manager/owner. He comes out of his office, walks down the hall past us and places himself behind the counter and proceeds to tell us off. He never introduced himself, but we found out he is the deceased ownerís son.

The GM is arrogant. Nothing is their fault. Itís all Lazy Daze fault because they use cheap paint and are built on the cheap. Anyone that knows Lazy Daze, knows cheap is not a word that can describe any part of them. They have held a five-star rating for decades. The paint is a two part epoxy that lasts for over 20 years without fading. And get this, not only did the painters tape remove the cheap Lazy Daze paint, it also removed paint from the Hehr windows. Guess they use cheap paint also.

Finally, he agrees to give us $150 off. Less than it will cost to have the paint touched up.

Suncoast states that we signed a document during check-in advising us that paint removal might occur. That is prima facie evidence that they knew of the problem but silently concealed it. Talk about Buyer Beware. No one would knowingly sign something that said they were giving Suncoast the right to damage their RV.

Our Lazy Daze has zero factory defects. The paint is perfect, not a single bubble.

I was always taught that the customer is always right, whether they are or not!  Small businesses operate on the goodwill of customers.  This guy was a total jerk and we would strongly recommend not using them, especially if you own a Lazy Daze or any other rig that is painted.

BTW, I met two other owners in for service who were there as come-backs. Suncoast Designs claims the best warranty in the business, but what good is a warranty when you are thousands of miles away and the window is leaking.

We are still finding screws that were not put back in. Even though I loaned them a hex head tool to put them back in. We found one window screw hole that was stripped out.

In summary:
The window frames were bent and show the bumps.
Paint was lifted off the exterior and the window frames.
One window was not sealed and is showing internal condensation.
One window was not externally sealed and rain soaked the couch.
At least a dozen screws were not replaced.
Nothing is the fault of Suncoast.
Cheers, Don
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2017, 06:41:40 PM »
That concerns me a bit as I am scheduled in there beginning of April.
Did they only run a bead of sealant along the top?
No sealing of the flange to body? No butyl tape?
Gary Brinck, was your installation sealed like that?
« Last Edit: March 22, 2017, 06:50:07 PM by Bob T »
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 07:22:47 PM »
Mine was sealed with a bead of sealer under the flange, and a second bead outside after the flange was tightened down. I would have preferred butyl tape, but they do everything with a caulk gun. And fast!

I had problems with the lack of communication too, and sent them some "friendly advice" about that afterwards. I guess nothing has changed in that regard.

It is sounding as though the current installation crew lacks training & experience, and they are probably under a lot of pressure to hurry. The installers operated at a dead run when I was there, and it seems that is still the case. Maybe too fast, especially if inexperienced.

A good alternative choice is The RV Fog Doctor in Searcy, AR. They have a quite good rep. But then, Suncoast used to have one as well...
http://www.rvfogdr.com/

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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2017, 11:17:17 PM »
It looks like Suncoast has a Management problem.  This is the second complaint in the last week concerning two forum members terrible service...both had bent/gouged window frames and scratched coach paint from poor removal of the Windows.  Suncoast is off my list.
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2017, 06:26:41 AM »
I can only speak to how our rig was sealed.

No butyl tape, no sealant under the flange. Only a bead around the edges.
Does look that good either appearance wise.

I wanted to use the folks in Searcy, AK, but they will not touch a Lazy Daze. Too time-consuming to remove windows.

This is a positive review of the Phoenix location of RV Glass Solutions. Their main location is in Coburg, OR.
http://lazydazearticles.blogspot.com/2017/03/fogged-windows-repair-at-rv-glass.html
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2017, 08:03:09 AM »
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I wanted to use the folks in Searcy, AK, but they will not touch a Lazy Daze. Too time-consuming to remove windows.

Ah! Sounds like there is something unique about your Lazy Daze windows that the Suncoast team wasn't trained & knowledgeable to handle. The [lack of] experience factor, I think. When we were there, the workers were all young and a bit brash.  The old saw "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread" comes to mind.  :o


Did you not make issue with the Suncoast management over the damage to your coach?
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2017, 05:09:07 PM »
Does anyone have someone they can recommend that might be on my route.
Leaving North of Toronto, Canada and heading to Florida.
I'm leaving next Friday and after recent reports about Suncoast, not sure I want to trust them.
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2017, 07:02:27 AM »
Lazy Days in Tampa (actually Seffner, Fl) used to do windows. I went on a tour of the facilities in 2012. They had a small "clean room" where they disassembled and reassembled the dual-pane windows.
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2017, 08:33:56 AM »
Ah! Sounds like there is something unique about your Lazy Daze windows that the Suncoast team wasn't trained & knowledgeable to handle.

Did you not make issue with the Suncoast management over the damage to your coach?

Lazy Daze is unique in their construction. Rock solid, Some say over built. They can survive a rollover. If two screws would do, they use five. That sort of thing. And because of that I questioned if they had serviced Lazy Daze before. I did not want to surprise them. They assured me they had done many and it would present no problem. Unsaid, was a pry bar would be used to break the seal on the windows.

Yes, we attempted to discuss it with the management. But, when he opened the "discussion" by blessing us out and saying the paint was cheap and the rig was pooly made. Well, where can you go from there? Had I been my 30yo self, we might have had a serious discussion about his lack of manners.
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2017, 09:32:55 AM »

Yes, we attempted to discuss it with the management. But, when he opened the "discussion" by blessing us out and saying the paint was cheap and the rig was pooly made. Well, where can you go from there? Had I been my 30yo self, we might have had a serious discussion about his lack of manners.

As much as I dislike them (sorry to any who are) there are people called Lawyers.

Sometimes a letter from a Lawyer changes their attitude real quickly.  Just saying it might be worth it if the cost to repair their damage
is more then the hassle to get a lawyer involved.
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2017, 09:41:48 AM »
As much as I dislike them (sorry to any who are) there are people called Lawyers.

Sometimes a letter from a Lawyer changes their attitude real quickly.  Just saying it might be worth it if the cost to repair their damage
is more then the hassle to get a lawyer involved.

I would challenge whether that ever ends positively.  A threat letter from a lawyer is just an empty threat.  If you open a case, discussions between you and the owner end.  Lawyers talk to lawyers and unless you go in with compromise in mind, you will only throw good money at bad.

I think some of the troubleshooter editors, or even BBB would be a better next step.
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2017, 11:04:06 AM »
Agree that lawyers should be a last resort, but if they did in fact bend window frames and damage the finish, it may be time for that.  If the management refuses to discuss the alleged damage anyway, maybe there isn't much to lose?  Florida does have a Small Claims Court for claims up to $5000 (excluding legal fees).

Using pry bars to help break away RV window frames is sometimes necessary because the sealer acts as an adhesive, but obviously they must be employed carefully. Hasty use will very likely result in damage.  I've removed a couple myself and know what is involved, but I had all day if needed.  Sounds like those guys were under a lot of time &  boss pressure.
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2017, 08:14:44 PM »
Thanks to all who posted about their problems with Suncoast Designs.
I was scheduled to be there next Tuesday and after reading about the quality of their work lately, I honestly want nothing to do with them.
I had my DW call today to cancel and she told the gent who answered that we were cancelling and the reason why was that there had been a number of reviews lately in an RV Forum saying that their work was no longer quality and they didn't care about what damage they did.

He didn't try to defend the business and didn't really care what the reputation is.

Feel much better now that I have cancelled, now just have to find where I can get window fixed or new window.

Many thanks to the folks of this forum for letting everyone know what is happening.

You guys "ROCK."

All the best


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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2017, 09:35:33 PM »
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He didn't try to defend the business and didn't really care what the reputation is.

That's really sad, but it also explains why the quality has gone downhill. If the management doesn't care, why should the employees? I think you made the right decision
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2017, 05:40:02 AM »
One picture showing our cheap paint lifted off by the "can't hurt anything painter's tape" and a small scratch from the pry bar.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nhWCDmqZi5I/WMl4eKH6mOI/AAAAAAAAIrA/CBSMpxROm6Q_h_aSNLT8Qtfu9VvTVHhGQCLcB/s1600/Suncoast17.JPG

You sign a doc at checkin waving any problems with "can't hurt anything painter's tape".
You are not given a copy of the doc.

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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2017, 08:11:50 AM »
On another RVing blog I came across this recommendation for an alternate fogged window repair shop. Sebring isn't all that far from Hudson, so reasonably convenient for anybody traveling in Florida. I have no personal knowledge of this shop, so caveat emptor.

Darren Thomas Glass, Sebring, FL 863-655-9500. They defog the windows, remove them, strip them apart, clean, reseal etc and reinstall.

Lazydays RV in Tampa also has a glass shop and does defogging as well as windshields. Probably more expensive, though.
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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2017, 05:31:30 PM »
Gary, thank you for the information about the place in Sebring.
It is called Darrin Thomas Glass Company and I have researched them to find only good reviews.
They guarantee fog less for life because they are not manufacturing thermopane units but laminate glass (just like your car windshield).
I have scheduled in with them for next week and will report what they are like.

Like Suncoast Designs, they offer power, water and will allow you to use the wifi.  Prices seem comparable to Hudson Fla.

There is another place in North Carolina that will manufacture new panes, have them heat treated and then put them together but their warranty is 100% fir first 2 years then pro-rated after that.

I don't want to have to do this again as it is a long way to go to get this fixed.

Thanks again for your information.

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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2017, 09:35:14 AM »

I don't want to have to do this again as it is a long way to go to get this fixed.

Bob

Bob, please post your results here so we can all learn about other vendors.
I think it's inherent to the design that they will all allow moist air to enter the sealed space, sooner or later. Happens to double pane windows in homes and they are not flexed going down a highway.
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« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2017, 04:26:14 PM »
We had our windows done at RV Fog Doctor.  I had wanted them to use butyl tape behind the frames when they reinstalled the windows but they just used the existing foam sealing tape and used a bead of silicone around the exterior of the frame.  They said they never used the butyl tape.  Otherwise, we were satisfied with their work.

I believe Fountain RV in Lakeland, FL also does the fogged window repair.   
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2017, 07:36:00 PM »
Im scheduled to arrive on Tuesday and have the windows replaced on Wednesday.
Hopefully the vendor will allow me to take some photos while they are doing the work. If so, I will post these photos.
Either way, I will definately post photos of final job and my opinions of the type of job (I am a very picky person, as a tradesman, I know what a good job is). 
Will post as many photos and as much information as I can so other folks can make informed decision.

Thankfully others, have done the same previously. Thats how I found out about Suncoast and was able to cancel.

Updates coming.

Best to all

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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2017, 10:12:39 PM »
I am the other poor, recent experience with Suncoast.

I, too, had the fruitless damage discussion with an extremely rude member of management who advised that they are not responsible for anything.

I am considering calling my credit card company to charge it back to them or at least to explore if I DO have any options. They really made a mess of my coach.
It rained here at home this week.  The window leaks; adding insult to injury.

It is very frustrating to know we drove a round trip of 1,600 miles for this kind of personal treatment and horrific service.

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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2017, 10:18:50 AM »
Consider filing a [Florida] small claims court claim for damages. It may be difficult to prove that they damaged paint or bent a window frame unless you have "before' pictures, but a leaky window is prima facie evidence of poor workmanship for anybody in the window repair business.
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2017, 08:03:41 PM »
Arrived in Sebring this afternoon about 2PM. 
Checked in at office and told them I was there for Wed appointment for window replacement.  They had a fellow come out to confirm measurements and open gate for me to pull in.
Hooked up to water and electric, there for maybe half hour and shop foreman comes out to tell me that they think they may be able to get me done and on my way today (Tuesday). 
Fantastic, I pull into shop and there is Newmar in shop also.
They pull the window and take it to the glass shop.  I asked if I could watch and take some photos for others that are interested in getting this work done.  No problem but they can't let me go to part of shop where they cut, grind and laminate the panes due to insurance regulations.  No problem, I can understand that.
They pull the frame and take it next room to take apart and get panes out that are being replaced.  They use these panes as templates for the new ones.

Short while later, shop foreman comes back to tell me that the frame used in my coach is difficult to get apart so they can either re-install the window for the night or put crash cover over the opening and continue to work on the window so will be less time in the morning.
We choose to have the crash cover installed.(Just seems like heavy duty Saran Wrap, sticks to what it is placed onto but NO PAINTERS TAPE USED.

We pull out and hook up fort the night.  Just relaxing and going to have a sandwich for dinner when shop foreman comes out and says they are staying a bit late to get last window installed in the Newmar but my window is done and they can install before they leave so I have some glass in the hole for the night.

I went into shop and had a look at how they are sealing, I was given options, new butyl tape or just a bead of polyurethane between the flange and body.  I chose the butyl tape so they were cleaning off the old tape and putting new on when I went in to see.

Window was installed before they went home for the night and they want to ensure tight tomorrow to allow the butyl to settle, then the plan is to clean up anything that may have squeezed out, seal all around the outside and final clean up.

Just a quick note, when we arrived and went into the office, they gave me the gate code so I could come and go and also their wifi password.

I am attaching some photos, the first few show the extent of the fogging of the window, I was originally only going to get the slider done but thought if the forward fogs, I can't see mirror so went for the 2 lower panes.

I think there will probably be more photos than I can attach to this post so will post another with photos just so folks can see the work.

I have no affiliation with this company and will post tomorrow when we get to final destination final photos, opinion of the work done and how final price was compared to quote.

So far so good, wish me luck!

Bob

 
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2017, 08:07:20 PM »
Here are the balance of the photos from today.

Not sure if I described what they do in previous post. they do not take apart and clean, they do not make new thermopane glass.
They cut new glass and laminate to another of exact same size just like the windshield.  That is how it is guaranteed never to fog again.

Update tomorrow.

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« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2017, 02:39:38 PM »
Just a final update,
The fellows arrived this AM and did exactly what they said they were going to do, ensured the frame tight and cleaned up outside (removed squeeze out of butyl tape) then sealed completely around the frame.
The bill was exactly what I was quoted which I was pleased about.
Something worth mentioning, before I left, there was another gent from London Ontario pulled in to get work done.  He said that he had some windows done 4 years ago and was there to get more done.  He also said that while he was wintering in Arizona this year, one of the windows that they had changed 4 years ago, just cracked.  He called the company up and they said that shouldn't have happened and  to bring it to them and they would change at no charge!  So while there, he decided to get more windows done.
To me, that speaks a lot of the credibility of the company.
All the staff there was fantastic and were a pleasure to deal with.
I am attaching the last 4 photos so folks can see what the final work turned out like.
If anyone wants a bit more information, please feel free to email me direct.
To the OP, thank you very much for posting your experience with Suncoast Designs, I think you saved me and others from major headaches.
To Gary RVer Emeritus, thank you for remembering about this company, if we ever meet face to fact, it would be my honour to buy you a drink.

Thanks again to all the folks on this forum and the owners, you guys are FANTASTIC.

All the best

Bob
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2017, 04:59:25 PM »
Thanks for posting this including the pictures. We have to get some windows in our Vectra replaced too. Do you happen to know if they also do tinted glass?

Again thanks for you info, made a note and will ask a quote soon.
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« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2017, 06:32:10 PM »
When I called last week, I did ask about tinting and I'm reasonably certain they said they would tint to same level as original.
That being said, I would suggest you confirm with the shop when you get quote.
Once again, if I can provide any information to anyone, please dont hesitate to post or email me directly..
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« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2017, 08:38:53 PM »
Thanks a lot Bob

Now I have to plan the trip south (about 1600 miles) but first a quote and an appointment.
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2017, 06:18:41 AM »
Sounds like they are a great company.  Thanks for the write up.

Just curious about the insulating qualities of the new laminated windows compared to thermopane.  My thermopane windows seem to insulate well and rarely sweat in cold weather, unlike the windshield.  Do you lose some of the insulating ability by changing to laminated windows?
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Re: Fogged Windows and Suncoast Designs
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2017, 06:28:42 AM »
That is the trade off I think.
The replaced panes will get more condensation at night when privacy screens up limiting air flow.
Just like the windshield. Personally, that shouldnt cause too much problem as we only use in cold weather when heading south.
Personally, I am just glad they are done.
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