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BikerFlex&HappyJen

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The life of our lemon...
« on: April 01, 2017, 10:16:46 PM »
Instead of being on another thread in this forum sharing our new adventures with you wonderful folks, instead, we realized days after purchasing our new-to-us fifth wheel, we bought....a lemon. 🍋
So, with that, we will be starting our journey here at rvforum in the great beyond of Remodeling our RV.
Where to begin...

We decided on our 99 Dutchmen 5th wheel because it was light weight and did not have slides. Our thinking was, the less things to maintain the better. Boy, were we wrong. First, when we hooked it up at the dealer we bought it from the clearance was too low to the bed of the truck, so as we were sent on our way home (3 hour drive) we were advised we may need an axel flip. We had to tow our lemon home unlevel to avoid collision with our truck bed. Flex described it like dragging a wet blanket behind us.

Upon returning home we got another surprise. Because of the low clearance and slight incline of our driveway, we could not get it into our driveway. The next day we took it to a local rv dealer and requested an axel flip. Upon getting that done  we were told we also needed new bearings and new brakes.

Finally, with the axel flip, bearings and brakes complete, which made a world of difference, we were finally ready to bring 'er home! Spring break here we come! Not quite...

We had combed through the rv before purchasing and checked corners, walls, and thought we did a pretty good check through. Everything seemed in good order. Unfortunately we checked most everything except under the dinette benches. Mistake. After pulling up the cushions and a brand new looking rug stowed in each compartment, low and behold...the dreaded dark spot. Oh, dark spot we know what you are...

And that folks, is what started our adventure of our lemony-lemon.

Attached are the first pictures of how this started and we will keep you updated on our project. It's been both a burden and a blessing. As difficult as it was to accept this disheartening discovery, we have stayed optimistic that we can handle what has come our way. In the end, we will have a beautiful camper that we can enjoy. We didn't plan on doing renovations right away, but since we are forced into it, we appreciate being able to make it our own. Any advice along the way is much appreciated!
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2017, 11:40:34 PM »
Good job. Looking forward to updates on your progress.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2017, 07:13:22 AM »
Can you not force the dealer that sold it to you to fix this?  That is awful!
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2017, 07:26:43 AM »
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Can you not force the dealer that sold it to you to fix this?

Used RVs are  sold "as is". Unless the dealer made specific statements about "no leaks" or "good brakes" or offered some sort of warranty, there are no grounds to ask him to do anything. Especially with an 18 year old RV...
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2017, 08:42:46 AM »
Be sure to ascertain where the water is coming from.  Chances are the water is just settling where you discovered the problem and not necessarily the source.  If what you are showing is the extent of the damage I don't see a real big problem. 

I think you will be OK.  Keep your chin up.

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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2017, 08:45:55 AM »
A lemon is normally something that is new and has unresolved issue/issues that the dealer can't or won't fix. These issues are almost always direct from the factory. You bought an 18 year old trailer that you didn't inspect thoroughly enough. I absolutely feel the dealership should help with the repairs since the brakes are a safety item and the water damage may be a health issue but buying an 18 year old unit has risks.
Hope all goes well in the future and these are your only issues
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2017, 10:09:04 AM »
you can always flip it and be a little more cautious with your next purchase, that's what I would do

if you go through a dealer again, you'll know to ask questions like "when were the bearings/brakes last serviced?" "when was the roof last replaced?" and if the answer is "We don't know" then you say "Then we assume the worst and the cost of those services will now be deducted from the purchase price"

use your own words but you get the idea

everyone has some issues with used trailers and you'd be insane to think you wouldn't. but having an idea of what the issues are, and negotiating that in to the price is the remedy
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2017, 10:39:55 AM »
As is with ANY used ... ( even 2 days old ) the old saying ALWAYS holds true ...


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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2017, 03:20:07 PM »
What lemon???? There is nouthing heare that constitutes it being a lemon. You had ample opertunity to inspect it. You should have knowne that it was to low to tow behind your truck. You do own a tape meshure don't you? I bet you haven't looked at the date code on the tires to see how old they are.
Realley not picking on you but just because you didn't catch some ishues doesen't make it a lemon.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2017, 08:22:22 AM »
When I call it a lemon, I say it with good intentions. I'm trying to make light of the situation, all things considering. I originally joked we should call it Humpty Dumpty. We are trying to have good attitudes about what we got ourselves into. We are quite pleased so far. It has been a lot of work and sore muscles. One day at a time we are making progress. Learning has been such a great aspect of this whole process considering this is the first camper besides our Pup that we have owned. Yes, we made some mistakes picking and buying this camper, but we have also learned so much and grateful for the knowledge. Hopefully our mistakes can help others not make the same ones. It was disheartening being a fairly new buyer picking out a camper and trying our best to learn how to get a decent one. Yes, we picked an rv that needs some help, but after it's all said and done, it will be something we are very pleased with. It's all about having the right attitude.
Yesterday we were able to get it reframed and part of the subfloor down. We had some surprises along the way. All in all it's coming along quite nicely.
Appreciate everyones input and the great tips you've shared. We probably should have joined the forum BEFORE rv shopping.
I am going to attach a picture of the bad corner (before)  and then some of what we got done yesterday. We did find the water was coming in from the seams on the back moldings tha were not sealed well. You could see where the water started entering in when we pulled off the siding and paneling.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2017, 11:22:02 AM »
You are surely doing a bang-up job of refurbishing it. Most people would not have bothered with that level of repair and just do a cosmetic fix.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2017, 12:23:14 PM »
Holy cow, Bill! Have a heart. Like none of us have never made a bad judgment call in our lives.

My hat's off to these people! I'm reading nothing but an awesome attitude! And I would bet my bottom dollar that any member of this forum would help any way they can.

Keep us informed. I will be watching.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2017, 02:48:55 PM »
From the looks of your repair this will be better than new when you are done.  Repairs look awesome.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2017, 05:40:20 PM »
Good news today! After a good rain, it appears we no longer have water coming in via the back corner seams. Leaks have indeed been fixed! Before the repairs, after we pulled off the interior paneling we could see the water coming in during a rain via the corner seams and run down to the dreaded dark spot(s). Looks like we are good now! 😁
We did get the outside siding back on last night. That was a good thing since we had rain coming. Still some things to buckle up via outside and then we can focus on finishing the interior.
Also, I did a few updates to the bathroom the other day, although it's not fully complete yet. It was nice to get some cosmetic things done as well.
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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2017, 07:45:12 PM »
This is ToesInTheSand DH (Flex).   Thanks for the welcome.  Common sense seems to dictate that few can look back and say, "I've never been so excited about this or that, where the excitement didn't outrun one's common sense.  I did.  I am not ashamed.  I say, "So what."   We bought an Rv that showed me what I didn't know; I didn't know.   

We bought an Rv that needed work. 

My wife described it as a "lemon." We laughed and we shrieked at the same.  Some say that if one knew all that is to be known about everything, one would choose the winning lotto numbers first!  We don't know much about Rving.  We're learning by fire.   Someone said, that "Rving is full of surprises, isn't it?"  I say, in our case, Rving is full of surprises before it begins!  I say that, Rving is like fishing, golfing, or a long motorcycle ride.  The pre-trip is as much fun as the actual event.  To put it another way, getting ready to go is as much fun as getting there. 

When I go fishing, I go through the tackle box and arrange lures, gadgets, and make sure the bait bucket doesn't have a hole in it.   Before a golf outing, I clean clubs, restock golf balls, and make sure my shoes don't leak.  The same with a long motorcycle ride. Leather, rain gear, tools, and snacks for picnics that will take place at some scenic overlook.  So, I say, what if the Rv purchased needed some work?  The discovery of the flaws in the "lemon, beater, heap, or junker" or simply an "experienced" Rv has turned us into ravenous Rv'ers. We see things differently.  We don't see a problem. What we see is a blessing; an opportunity.  Yes, we are hungry for knowledge, tips, advice.   So, we came here. At the same time that I believe that wisdom comes from seeking it from others, I also believe that one has to have the desire to seek it.   We appreciate all who offer encouragement, advice, and tips that will help us on the road.  Thank you.   We too look forward to the road ahead.

All take care and watch out for motorcycles.

Flex       
 
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2017, 09:08:01 PM »
Holy cow, Bill! Have a heart. Like none of us have never made a bad judgment call in our lives.

My hat's off to these people! I'm reading nothing but an awesome attitude! And I would bet my bottom dollar that any member of this forum would help any way they can.

Keep us informed. I will be watching.
I have a heart and will help with advise any way I can.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2017, 06:52:33 AM »
Well that turned into a project real fast, as things like this are apt to do. 
Looks like you have it all under control.

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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2017, 08:06:48 AM »
We had some of the same experience. Bought a 17 year old Adventurer DP. Looked it over the best we could. Now we are finding things that I wish I would have noticed when we bought the thing from a dealer used. Like a key to the basement compartments. When they said as is, they meant it. But I enjoy fooling with stuff as much as I do taking the family on a trip. My wife said next time we will buy new. I had to laugh. The guy right down the street has a brand new RV I see pulled up to his house on a weekend. Since we dont really have space to keep the MH in our neighborhood, I asked him where he keeps the brand spanking new and beautiful MH. He told me at the dealer. They let him take it out while they are trying to fix things since he bought it new. So, at least he is getting things fixed, but so am I while enjoying the sour sweetness of doing it my self, while drinking a glass of lemonade. :) 
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2017, 05:47:57 PM »
Good news today! After a good rain, it appears we no longer have water coming in via the back corner seams. Leaks have indeed been fixed! Before the repairs, after we pulled off the interior paneling we could see the water coming in during a rain via the corner seams and run down to the dreaded dark spot(s). Looks like we are good now! 😁
We did get the outside siding back on last night. That was a good thing since we had rain coming. Still some things to buckle up via outside and then we can focus on finishing the interior.
Also, I did a few updates to the bathroom the other day, although it's not fully complete yet. It was nice to get some cosmetic things done as well.
Congratulations, you two are certainly putting in some hard work there to get things shipshape. I'm sure it will pay off with lots of wonderful adventures! Well done. 👍
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2017, 08:47:11 PM »
Well that turned into a project real fast, as things like this are apt to do. 
Looks like you have it all under control.

Thank you, God's Country.  As you said, "...that turned into a project real fast..."  It sure did.  We appreciate the encouragement. 
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2017, 08:50:39 PM »
From the looks of your repair this will be better than new when you are done.  Repairs look awesome.

Thank you, Charlie.  We appreciate the encouragement. 
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2017, 10:01:33 AM »
Flex, Our first bus was an older one that required some work but (like you) we were happy to it, we have never shy'd away from work.  In the end we absolutely loved that bus, I still have photos of it and look back at them remembering the work and the fun when we were using it. We learned more in just a few months about RV's, how they work and why, I think we knew more about RV's than most who have been doing it for years. When you are done you will know more than those who just go buy one and then take it to the shop when work is needed.  You will be answering our questions because you will know not only the what but the why - KCCO!! 8)
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2017, 03:17:26 PM »
Greetings BikerFlex&HappyJen,

Good luck with the project and looks like it is coming along fine.

You could go back in about 6 months to the dealer who sold you the 5th wheel and look at the most expensive RV's they have. Then say we're going to buy this model but remember that 5th wheel with all of the work you sold us.  ;D

Just kidding but you have the right attitude and wishing you good luck from now on.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2017, 06:06:01 PM »
Flex, Our first bus was an older one that required some work but (like you) we were happy to it, we have never shy'd away from work.  In the end we absolutely loved that bus, I still have photos of it and look back at them remembering the work and the fun when we were using it. We learned more in just a few months about RV's, how they work and why, I think we knew more about RV's than most who have been doing it for years. When you are done you will know more than those who just go buy one and then take it to the shop when work is needed.  You will be answering our questions because you will know not only the what but the why - KCCO!! 8)

Good story.  Encouraging. I know you guys must know every inch of that bus.  And, like us, there must have been times when you weren't sure who was winning the battle; you or the bus.  Eventually, you all won!  As you said, "When you are done you will know more...." than others.  We believe that, too.  Good at you for not shying away from it!  Way to run to a problem instead of running away from it.   

It sure encourages newbies like us.

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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2017, 07:42:47 PM »
Good story.  Encouraging. I know you guys must know every inch of that bus.  And, like us, there must have been times when you weren't Dsure who was winning the battle; you or the bus.  Eventually, you all won!  As you said, "When you are done you will know more...." than others.  We believe that, too.  Good at you for not shying away from it!  Way to run to a problem instead of running away from it.   

It sure encourages newbies like us.

Flex & Jen

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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2017, 10:59:38 AM »
What doesn't kill us makes us bolder. :D

I thought it was wiser.  ;) ;D
There is a difference!
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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2017, 11:30:45 AM »
I thought it was wiser.  ;) ;D
There is a difference!

If I were wiser I would have torched it. :o

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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2017, 07:01:27 PM »
Another long hard day of rv reno. After a couple days of rain, yesterday being an abundance of rain, we came to realize we still have a minor leak in each corner. Not a lot, but still, leaks. We left the interior walls open to be able to monitor this until we are certain of a good seal. We do know some water may be coming from the under body since the membrane was comprised quite extensively not only when we did our frame rebuild but it was compromised before this by who knows who. Whoever attempted to do a quick fix to the water damage to begin with and did a poor attempt at it sliced the membrane in several places. Any advice for this please chime in!

DH and I decided to focus first on our roof. We have about four days of good, dry weather so it was decided we will clean & reseal the roof as well as focus on all the seams that need resealed/caulked.
Our rv has a rubber roof, but somewhere along it's life it was coated with an aluminum coating. Ugh. It has flaked and still had reminents of it. So we scraped and scooped those up as best we could without doing any damage. We then gave the roof a good wash with Spic n Span and was it filthy! I don't even want to try to guess when it was last washed up there. After a good look at everything, we made a joint decision to scrape off the abundant of dirty, cracked and PILED on sealant caulk and start all the seams from fresh. We made the right choice. We found too many areas that were not quite right. The plastic skylight above the shower was cracked in many places when it was screwed down too tight so tomorrow we will be purchasing a new one to put in.
We were able to scrape off all our vents (3), the skylight, a vent pipe and some of the areas where the chair rail it attached to the roof.

Before I climbed down for the night I told DH as I passed him the container of our scraped reminents I wanted to weigh the hefty container of dirty old sealant/caulk....we took off about 7 POUNDS of sealant! Wow.

We are tired and sore but very pleased with our hard work today. Tomorrow we will hopefullly finish scraping, cleaning around all areas, replacing the skylight, and resealing/caulking all roof structures and seams. Sunday we will be doing a full roof clean and roof seal. Let's hope this will all help us stop those pesky corner leaks.
Pic #1&2: before and after skylight
Pic #3&4: before and after a vent
Pic #5: our 7 pounds of sealant
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2017, 12:19:08 PM »
I admire your Perseverance!  It will be a great reward for you to see the finished product!  I love seeing the pictures of your progress!
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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2017, 07:43:09 PM »
Thank you Peggy! It's encouraging when we get compliments. We keep pushing forward, one day at a time.

Today we sealed all the roof items, removed the chair rail, patched where the chair rail used to be, and also installed the new skylight. It looks so much better! I forgot to take a picture of the completed skylight, so I will hopefully post that along with the progress we make tomorrow. Planning on washing and sealing the roof tomorrow & cleaning/sealing(caulking) the gutter and awning rails. There is some cracking along some of those seams as well as where the rubber roof meets the gutter rails. So onward we go!!
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2017, 03:21:55 PM »
Hello OP, new here, but not new to tt repairs..lol. your thread had me interested to join here, so thought I would start off with just saying, my hats off to you for hanging in there, and taking it in stride !. I myself have been where you are at now, and there is nothing wrong at all with doing a little hard work to make your tt all better !. bought a 1992 Fleetwood wilderness a few years back, turns out, the roof was leaking pretty bad ?, I spent many..MANY man hours working on it, as well as cash, and with me being disabled, cash did not come easy..lol. needless to say, I have replaced my rubber roof, sky lights, paneling on the inside, floors redone, carpet down. yes..lots of work for someone that barely knows anything about this kinda work ?, but I dived in head first, and got-r-done !.lol. anyway, my hats off to you for your great work, WELL DONE !.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2017, 06:59:50 AM »
I am watching this thread closely as we are about to start our own, we are electing to replace our roof to be sure we get all the leaks.
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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2017, 03:05:44 PM »
Appreciate the motivating words Alan and Canuck. We keep plugging away at this project and it's slowly coming together for the good.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2017, 10:23:28 PM »
Appreciate the motivating words Alan and Canuck. We keep plugging away at this project and it's slowly coming together for the good.
Your welcome !. if I could get some pics to post ?, I would show you what I had to deal with ?, then you would feel better about your trailer !..lol.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2017, 09:13:14 AM »
I feel your pain. We bought a 12 year old motorhome and fell in love with it long before we had a clue what we were doing. When we brought it home and found a few little things wrong, decided we did not know what we had got ourselves into. The people we bought it from lied some. The roof had been torn and replaced to some degree and I did not notice , mainly because I did not do my homework about Winnebago fiberglass roofs. One thing I thought was strange is that before I bought the MH I did a carfax and it did not show the roof repair, even though it was an insurance claim. I did not have a clue about tires either, just thought they looked good. They were the original tires. Half the windows needed replacing, bed needed new pump and remotes, slide toppers leaking, tv system all messed up. Anyway, you get the picture, but it was all my own fault, for not doing my research first. Even if I put 30K into it, still a major savings over new and I can see many good years ahead. We are looking forward to a lot of traveling, and if it gets too frustrating, we will chalk it up as experience and pity the person we buy our next one from as we will do a much more thorough search. I personally would still buy used, mainly because we can't afford new and would rather someone else take the depreciation hit. Good luck. I like your attitude and there is a lot of help out there.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2017, 04:19:58 PM »
Here's the latest update for all our fellow rv'ers that are following our project. We had some nice weather last few days and we got quite a bit done. I scraped off the dirty and gross stuff around our windows and door on the one side of the camper and went around resealing all of them. They look amazing and refreshing. I also scraped off the front two corner moldings in the front of the rv because someone before us thought it was ok to caulk them with silicone. Seriously. I scraped and pulled and snapped silicone off the molding for awhile. Finally getting them prepped and ready they were finally sealed properly with Dicor non-leveling sealant. Also, sealed the seam where rubber roof meet the gutter where there was decent cracking. Additionally, the seam along the awning rail. Sealant success!

DH (Flex) did a great modification to our gutter and awning pieces. He ended up cutting them about 10 inches back from the upper/back corner. They used to end and shoot water right down our back corner seam of our camper. Now he has it being detoured away before the water gets there. Last night/today it has been raining, we went out and good news....we have no water inside whatsoever!! Tomorrow we are hoping to start putting back together the interior, beginning with the remaining subfloor. Hoping to line our back wall with tongue n groove cedar. Found a nice vinyl plank flooring that looks like grey driftwood.

Hopefully our next few updates will be a bit more exciting.

Picture 1&2 ~ before and after window sealant
Picture 3 ~ Front corner sealant complete
Picture 4 ~ Two side windows sealant completed
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2017, 05:25:12 PM »
great work!
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2017, 02:22:16 AM »
great work!

X2! Don't give up. I can't help but admire your determination. I am very interested in hearing your experience on the virgin voyage of what you have built.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2017, 08:58:56 PM »
Excited to give everyone an update on our progress! The walls are going back up! This is such a great time for us. DH also put the subfloor back down and now he is working on replacing the paneling pieces before we install the cedar on the wall. The entire back wall from the cabinets down to the floor will be cedar. Also, the side walls from about 33 inches on down will be cedar and then we will put up some trim/chair rail where the wall and cedar meet. We purchased some vinyl plank flooring and will also be putting that in soon.
In the bedroom area, the walls are painted and cabinet hardware has been recoated from gold to a stainless steel finish. Actually I recoated all the hardware in the rv. No more 70's gold! Lol.
There will be a lot more pictures to come as the final touches get put into place. When we can see everything starting to get out back together it gives us confidence that we are doing it and doing it well. When we are done with this, we will have a '99 Dutchmen on the outside, but an upgraded and renewed interior (and quite a bit of framing).
Also, in case you are all wondering...DH is leaving the back lower left corner without paneling. This area is within the dinette seating/storage area. He is going to be installling a plexiglass door here so we can monitor and have access in case we suspect anything. The end is nearing soon...at least, we hope so! It would be nice to finally be able to take our rv on its first excursion!

Pic 1 ~ Before flooring and paneling replacement
Pic 2 & 3 ~ paneling starting to get reinstalled
Pic 4 ~ New Subfloor
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2017, 11:40:41 AM »
Wondering about one thing...
How did hubby get the subfloor under the sole plate of the existing walls? Reason I ask is I might have to do something similar in my TT on a small section next to the super slide?
Otherwise, it looks like you guys are well on your way to enjoying the sweat equity you have been putting into this project.
I'm proud of ya!

Keep us posted.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2017, 12:06:40 PM »
Wondering about one thing...
How did hubby get the subfloor under the sole plate of the existing walls? Reason I ask is I might have to do something similar in my TT on a small section next to the super slide?
Otherwise, it looks like you guys are well on your way to enjoying the sweat equity you have been putting into this project.
I'm proud of ya!

Keep us posted.

DH used two jacks on each corner when we had the bottom aluminum siding and the back siding wall off. He use the jacks to hold up the back/side wall and then we slid the subfloor between the wall and the bottom support frame. It took some hammering to wedge it in there, but it worked. Once it was between the frame and the wall pieces, he was then able to remove the jacks and finish hammering it into exact place. We did this large back piece installation from the outside. The two pieces inside he had to use some wedges using a huge screwdriver and also a small crow bar on each side to lift just enough to slide the subfloor in between. The interior ones were much easier after we had the main piece toward the back into place. Here's a picture from earlier that kind of shows how he did the back piece from outside. You can see the large piece of subfloor that had been put in between but it's not yet in the exact place. After this picture, he removed the jacks and then hammered the large piece back and inward where it finally needed to be.
Hope this helps!

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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2017, 05:46:42 AM »
Wow, your driveway's kinda steep.   ;D
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2017, 07:29:16 PM »
Well, we are still plugging away at this renovation. We have had much progress lately. Replaced some of the insulation on the back wall. Replaced paneling on the back wall and most of the side wall. And FINALLY....
We have almost all of the flooring down! Still have the bathroom to do and also a small area in front of the door and the flooring will be done.
Hopefully, tomorrow we can start installing the cedar on the back wall and the side walls. I am so sore from installing the floors today. My body isn't too happy with me right now. Cutting vinyl flooring with a utility knife is not the easiest task when my arms are so wimpy. And all the hammering against the block. Whew. But, it's almost done and I'm so pleased with the progress that was made. For those who think a renovation is an easy task....it certainly is not. Especially when battling rainy weather days and you have to work outdoors on something. Despite the fact that we got an rv that needed an abundant amount of hard core renovation, we are grateful of how nice it will be when we get it completed. This isn't something I think I would ever do again, certainly not voluntarily. If we were to ever switch to a different rv, we will certainly get a newer one, maybe a year or two old, and hopefully never have to do a renovation of this magnitude again. That's just my two cents on the topic for those who might be curious how I feel this far in to our project.
Alas, here are your updated pictures! Enjoy, friends!
Pic 1 ~ insulation and flooring level goo on
Pic 2 ~ back wall paneling in place, floor goo drying
Pic 3,4&5 ~ Amazing flooring!!
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2017, 07:33:26 PM »
I am so impressed!  Love the pics!
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2017, 03:14:20 AM »
Wow. You guys have almost built a new unit. Fantastic job. Won't be long I guess till you can get out there and enjoy the fruits of your labour!!  :D
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2017, 07:24:16 AM »
I know this isn't as much fun for me as it is for you but I am enjoying watching your project.  I look forward to reading the explanation of your accomplishments and the photos of the work.  You absolutely have to put a really nice lemon decal on it so people can ask about it and you can tell your story and show them your book of work making lemonade from your lemon.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2017, 02:32:15 PM »
I know this isn't as much fun for me as it is for you but I am enjoying watching your project.  I look forward to reading the explanation of your accomplishments and the photos of the work.  You absolutely have to put a really nice lemon decal on it so people can ask about it and you can tell your story and show them your book of work making lemonade from your lemon.

Hello,ClickHill......This is Flex.   I laughed when I read your suggestion about putting a "lemon decal."  I may just do that.   Especially, since there have been moments when we ran into another challenge, only to shake my head and pucker my lips.

Thanks.   Comments like these remind me how much fun we are having....even with the puckers.

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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2017, 07:46:45 PM »
DH needed a new wireless mouse for his laptop. I picked one out For him today. I think it's appropriate, all things considered...
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2017, 08:32:07 PM »
After what we completed today, we couldn't help but stand back and marvel at how pleased we are at the results. It's been a long process and we were excited to get to this point where we can see a cosmetic step. It's nice to see our vision we have had finally starting to coming to life. The cedar we chose to use is incredibly light weight. Very thin. The cedar in the rv smells so incredible each morning when we walk in and start on our daily efforts. And I've been told it is a deterrent for bugs and insects?
Thanks to everyone who continues to follow our project. Here is where we are at right now. We will be grateful when we get to the day where we can post the final project completion. We are getting closer!
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2017, 08:50:11 PM »
That is amazing work!
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2017, 01:25:56 AM »
Well done, looks amazing. I'll know who to call when I need a renovation  ;D
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #51 on: April 30, 2017, 08:50:00 AM »
Thanks Cadee! We have had some bumps but overall happy with what we've done.

Jackiemac,  if it would mean going to Scotland we would jump on that opportunity in a second!  ;)
DH would hit every golf course there he could find. We would have to rent a Harley to ride the countryside. But thank you kindly sharing you encouragement. Really enjoying this forum and how helpful most have been.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #52 on: April 30, 2017, 10:49:13 AM »
Out standing work so far !, hats off to ya :-). no better feeling that when you stand back, and say to yourself, what a wonderful job we/us/I/them did !!!.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2017, 12:24:19 AM »
Love, love, LOVE what you've done with the interior - the floor and walls look fantastic! If there hadn't been any issues to fix, would you have done the floor and walls like that? If not, the lemony lemon-ness was certainly a blessing in disguise...
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2017, 06:49:53 PM »
Vanessa,
Thank you! we would not have done any updates right away had we not the surprise of finding water damage and rotten wood. It was an expense we would not have put into the rv, at least not anytime soon. We had planned on taking it camping the week of spring break at the beginning of April. Instead, we spent it starting on the teardown and repairs.

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Backsplash went up today! Were able to use scrap pieces for the backsplash and just bought another trim piece to match what we used on the top of the back wall. We do need one more piece for the bottom where the backsplash meets the counter. Too tired tonight to try and squeeze it in this late. It took us all day to measure and cut and attach. Being the frugal people we are, it was satisfying using more of our stuff. DH is such a great handy man and I'm so proud of how good he is at projects. We make a great team! I'm the vision, he is the brains.

Itching to get this thing out camping!! As we get closer the excitement pushes us forward.

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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2017, 08:03:51 PM »
It fits the rest of the trailer perfectly.  I would have suggested using Smart Tiles, and I would have been wrong, I like your back splash better, Very nice!
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #56 on: May 04, 2017, 02:44:24 AM »
Looks fantastic! I wonder if doing this has made you even more excited about going out and using it?
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2017, 06:08:42 AM »
So impressive!  What a labor of love!
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #58 on: May 04, 2017, 07:40:34 AM »
Looks great.  More like a cozy cabin than a TT.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2017, 06:26:30 PM »
I'm having some lemon withdraw - what's up?  I need some lemon update to quench my need.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #60 on: May 27, 2017, 06:44:30 AM »
Just a fun little update...we all slept in the camper last night...in the driveway. The girls had an blast and we realized just how little we need to pack for our travels. It allowed us a good idea of what we need to adjust and tweak before taking the ole Lemon Squeasy out on the road. Thanks to everyone for the great encouragement throughout this journey and we are happy to now share our travels with you instead of repairs (let's hope). Once we get everything put together with decor and such I will post some final pictures.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2017, 03:20:22 PM »
Whoo Hooo, you did it!!  Congratulations, now go have some fun.
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Re: The life of our lemon...
« Reply #62 on: May 29, 2017, 02:05:50 PM »
I cannot wait to see the pics!
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