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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2017, 07:49:11 PM »
I'm coming to hate FF 57.0, mainly the tab handling. Time to look for an alternative. Meanwhile, I don't see the touted speed/performance improvement, but see lots of dancing dots that blame the respective web sites for slowing things down  ???
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2017, 08:38:36 PM »
Opera is starting to look more like a keeper for me. I still haven't found a suitable replacement for the bottom status bar in FF though.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2017, 08:40:48 AM »
Bernie, in case someone thinks I'm telling you to return to Virginia, I should explain that VA = Virtual Access, ...
I thought it had something to do with the Veteran's Administration  8).

I'm guessing there will be a V57.01 (or V57.1) released soon but I'm not playing unless the old add-ons work. I think the developers really screwed up big time with their later releases.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2017, 04:18:02 PM »
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I'm coming to hate FF 57.0, mainly the tab handling. Time to look for an alternative. Meanwhile, I don't see the touted speed/performance improvement, but see lots of dancing dots that blame the respective web sites for slowing things down  ???

I've reluctantly switched from FF to Opera. Haven't used it for years, but it's so much faster than FF57.0 and doesn't sit saying it's waiting for 'slow' web pages to load; Those same pages load instantly in Opera. The default tab handling in O is much more intuitive.

Being a long-time FF user, I didn't think I'd be saying this, but it looks like it might be bye bye FF. I haven't fine tuned all the preferences/settings in Opera, and there are a few things I haven't yet figured out. Meanwhile, has anyone figured out how to replace the page(s) of large icons on the bookmarks page with a list tree? The latter would make it faster to get to/click my bookmarks. I see the Bookmarks Bar in O, but I don't want to have to re-build anything, given that I imported everything from FF. TIA.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2017, 06:04:13 PM »
Tom, try installing the "V7 Bookmarks" extension. That works well for me. I've also found "User-Agent Switcher" useful when I run into a site that says it only supports IE, FF, and Chrome. Opera is Chrome based, so I just change the User-Agent to one of the supported versions and the site is happy.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2017, 06:17:58 PM »
Thanks Dutch.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2017, 06:50:28 PM »

Update finished and I went to use my Dell USB-C dongle (provides Ethernet, HDMI and a regular USB port) and now that's broken. We have a USB driver problem - Windows now doesn't recognize the device.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

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John, I have an ethernet dongle on my desktop which I also had a problem with after I updated. I simply unplugged it and plugged it back in and it started working again. It took me 3 restarts to get the update to finish and get several of my programs back. I have an ASUS laptop which I may not let update until I see this latest update is working properly.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2017, 08:19:04 AM »
Just tried my dongle and it's still not recognized, I'll try rebooting the laptop a couple of times. I did look for a driver but no joy.

Tom - interesting that Opera is so much faster, now you've piqued my interest.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2017, 09:09:54 AM »
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Tom - interesting that Opera is so much faster, now you've piqued my interest.


John, just for clarification, that's Opera v FF 57.0. Earlier versions of FF were fine. There are numerous complaints online of FF 57.0 being a slug, and many of it freezing and locking up.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2017, 09:15:12 AM »
Roger that Tom, I'd like to be a fly on the wall listening to the Mozilla developers chat about their dud.

So, one success. I uninstalled the dongle and plugged it back in and it's working again. I was doing some reading about this dongle and it's been the subject of many discussions and complaints but the driver is from Microsoft. Go figure. ::)
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2017, 10:47:48 AM »
V7 Bookmarks seems to do what I needed.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2017, 04:43:15 PM »
V7 Bookmarks seems to do what I needed.

I tried several other Opera and Chrome extensions before I got to V7, Tom, and as you said, it seems to do what we both needed. I'd really like to find something like FF's bottom status bar for Opera, but no luck so far. That's not a deal killer though...
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2017, 06:21:19 PM »
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I'd like to be a fly on the wall listening to the Mozilla developers chat about their dud.


Will they know who defected to other browsers?
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2017, 08:25:13 AM »

Will they know who defected to other browsers?
Yes if they are running analytics like Google or Piwick on their server - type of browser, operating system and many other tidbits are collected and reported. I'll bet there's an Internet resource somewhere that also reports on browser use.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2017, 08:48:58 AM »
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Yes if they are running analytics like Google or Piwick on their server - type of browser, operating system and many other tidbits are collected and reported.

For a download server, they'll record the fact that I downloaded 57.0 once, but it tells them nothing about the fact that I'm actually using Opera  ??? OTOH it's possible that Google gives/sells them data collected from web servers I visit, telling them actual usage.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2017, 09:21:04 AM »
When I used to look at Piwick analytics running on my server, every time a page was viewed that was a 'hit' for data collection. So they can look at data collected on https://www.mozilla.org indicating what browser was used for the page view. It's sort of a 'back door' for evaluation.  Maybe five years ago, IE was more popular (no surprise) but their use was on a downward trend, I think FF was number two but I forgot. Chrome, Safari, Opera brought up the bottom of the list. If I can figure out how to get back into Piwick  :P, I'll post some stats.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2017, 09:59:15 AM »
Ah yes, summary/generic stats that get reported/sold would give the overall picture. I rarely look at that level of detail on our server, unless I'm trying to track something down. Our forum stats are a very small sample of the overall picture. Original comment withdrawn.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2017, 08:13:16 PM »
I was trying to install FF 5.7 today, and it was just behaving strangely.
Within asking, it imported an old IE bookmarks file, and I could never get it to correctly import my Chrome book marks. Even after de-installing, and installing again. Finally dumped it. Back to Chrome.

I may try Opera, again.


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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2017, 08:23:29 PM »
"w3schools.com" collects and publishes monthly browser usage statistics going back to 2002.

https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2017, 08:33:45 PM »
Thanks Dutch. Haven't visited W3Schools in a long time. Those stats are for visits to their site, and they're assuming that these stats can be extrapolated to all browser users on visits to all sites. But it's still interesting reading.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2017, 09:44:46 PM »
w3's stats are pretty consistent with other stat analyst's numbers. Those numbers are where Mozilla will see any trends away from FF.

StatCounter Browser Market Share

NetMarket Browser Market Share

Statista.com Internet browser market share
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2017, 09:40:20 AM »
Curiosity made me look in the Firefox (Mozilla) support forum to see what's happening. No surprise that there were lots of "too slow" and "hanging/freezing" reports, with many more "me too" replies. Their support folks suggest a number of things to help identify &/or fix the issue, and a number of folks feel they shouldn't have to jump through hoops. I decided to try one easy-to-do suggestion:


In Menu|Tools|Options|Privacy and Security|Permissions check the box to Prevent accessibility services from accessing your browser. By gosh, things speed up! This doesn't help with the tabs issue.
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