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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2017, 05:30:46 AM »
   www.handgunlaw.us

   This is the reference I use, kept up to date with links to the individual state web sites.   Jim.

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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2017, 08:00:23 AM »
   www.handgunlaw.us

   This is the reference I use, kept up to date with links to the individual state web sites.   Jim.

I like this web site as well and have the handbook from Amazon referenced above.
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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2017, 08:31:42 AM »
The best deterrent is not a center fire gun of any kind!
Weather it be a hand gun or long gun.
The most chilling sound in the middle of the night is a shell being injected into a 12 gauge.
That sound will send any intruder high tailing it.
No need to shout I HAVE A WEAPON. He will be too far gone to hear it.

With a hand gun you have to shoot a warning shot in the dark.
Very hard on the interior!
12 gauge pump for me.

Check this out. It does happen!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Lyle_and_Marie_McCann
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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2017, 09:00:15 AM »
Just a couple of thoughts. In this day of computer and internet expertise and searches, might  not be a great idea to post plans to shoot an intruder, just in case the worst happens.

In addition, a shotgun, with 4s or smaller, not buckshot, has the advantage of not killing someone two or three campers away, where that .357 or rifle can tear  through that camper wall like stale bread.

If a handgun is the only answer for you, buy some shot shells and maybe save the life of the next camper over!

A few years back, in a campground in Montana, met a fellow from California who just HAD to show me, without any reason,  his Dirty Harry 44 Magnum, which was fully loaded and kept below the couch cushion in the camper. No license, no permit even in California, non resident, and not even the common sense to not show it off.

Glad to move on.
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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2017, 09:25:54 AM »
Greetings,

Interesting topic. My personal feelings are, most RV campgrounds are reasonably safe. Odds are, your one of many campers so chances are low of someone bothering you in a crowded campground. If you boondock, camp off the beaten path in secluded spots, then the chance of someone happening by and intent to do harm could be higher. It can take law enforcement time to get to you, so some form of deterrent for would be intruders is in order. While odds are low of you being a victim, when you are, a good plan to prevent you being a crime statistic is in order.

Camp'n next to SargeW would put me at ease!!

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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2017, 09:50:16 AM »
A lot of the links here are interesting but I have to think that, should the situation arise, I would have to remember where I was and what the law was for that jurisdiction.  My view is that 911 will respond 5-15 minutes.  Smith & Wesson will respond in 5-15 seconds.  Familiarity with the law is fine but is of no good use if you are being attacked by someone who could care less about any law.  I would definitely want to be sure to exactly how much of a threat I was responding but I would not have any doubt about shooting to protect myself or my family but hope this will never happen.

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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2017, 09:52:28 AM »
Does anyone know the laws carrying a firearm across state lines?

I think a national carry permit is being debated now but I believe you have to abide by each states individual laws right now.  Meaning that even if you have a concealed permit it won't be recognized in another state.  However, is a MH considered your "castle" or home which are under different laws as opposed to having a weapon in your Subaru??

I am not a lawyer so the laws are confusing.

I'm pretty sure do not need a carry permit in any state to have a firearm in your home.  I live in the most restrictive 2A state/county/city there is.  It's impossible to get a CCW here and I have legal guns in my home.  When I'm in it the motorhome is my home.  I'm very careful to transport them legally.
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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2017, 10:25:47 AM »
Good information thus far. But the truth of the matter is that there is about 99.99% chance that you will never need any kind self protection.  But it's also true that bad things happen to good people. That's why this issue is such a personal choice, and none of the choices anyone has made is wrong. It's just their choices.

It's one of the rules I learned to live by from many years of experience. Plan for the worst, hope for the best. The result will most likely be somewhere in the middle.
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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2017, 10:45:26 AM »
I'm pretty sure do not need a carry permit. . Home. . .  When I'm in it the motorhome is my home.  I'm very careful to transport them legally.

I think it would helpful and less misleading if you would provide more details about your rationale for this, and based more on regulatory concepts than a word interpretation. Your RV is a motorized vehicle, required to be registered as such, it is not a domicile or residence.  While you may be legal in your State (please tell us where), I'd like to understand why.  Maybe that state uses the concept of "home", but that would be very, very unusual.  Home is a wishy -washy term that is not generally used for regulations.  Terms like domicile, residence, principle address, are used and those terms are strictly defined by each state and legal circumstance of their usage.  Otherwise, a box under a bridge is a home, as is a stealth van, an abandoned box car, . . .etc.  pretty sure someone found with a non-permitted handgun in those situations would find themselves amok of gun laws.  Maybe you could explain a little further why you've stated that a gun, which requires a CCW, can be legally carried/transported, without the permit.
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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2017, 11:53:13 AM »
where in your MH would be the best place to hide from the possible killers?
The only place I can think of is in the bedroom under the lift up part of the bed.  I doubt they would think of looking there or even realize the bed lift up unless they owned a MH themselves. 
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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2017, 01:46:06 PM »
I think it would helpful and less misleading if you would provide more details about your rationale for this, and based more on regulatory concepts than a word interpretation. Your RV is a motorized vehicle, required to be registered as such, it is not a domicile or residence.  While you may be legal in your State (please tell us where), I'd like to understand why.  Maybe that state uses the concept of "home", but that would be very, very unusual.  Home is a wishy -washy term that is not generally used for regulations.  Terms like domicile, residence, principle address, are used and those terms are strictly defined by each state and legal circumstance of their usage.  Otherwise, a box under a bridge is a home, as is a stealth van, an abandoned box car, . . .etc.  pretty sure someone found with a non-permitted handgun in those situations would find themselves amok of gun laws.  Maybe you could explain a little further why you've stated that a gun, which requires a CCW, can be legally carried/transported, without the permit.
  In Louisiana the castle doctrine extends to your vehicle.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20060707/louisiana-castle-doctrine-companion-b

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On June 30 2006,Governor Kathleen Blanco (D) signed HB 1097 by Representative Eric LaFleur (D-38), NRA-backed legislation granting civil immunity to crime victims who lawfully use force up to and including deadly force to protect themselves against a violent attack.

HB 1097 is the companion bill to HB 89 (also by Representative LaFleur), the NRA-supported “Castle Doctrine” bill which created presumptions in law for the use of force against intruders in your home, car or place of business and explicitly states in law that you have no “duty to retreat” from criminal attack if you are in a place where you have a legal right to be..."


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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2017, 02:17:31 PM »
My first thought was that you need to find a safer place to camp.  My second thought was that this could only happen if you were dry camping in an isolated location where others were not in close proximity to hear the commotion this would create.  My final thought was that I better not have too much to drink and accidentally wander up to the door of another RV, because it seems that an abundance of my neighbors must be armed.
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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2017, 03:51:31 PM »
I don't worry about it.
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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2017, 04:21:58 PM »
Hi Aboatguy - My question remains.  Your response (apparently to my post) is about the right of use of force (firearm) in defined circumstances and not be held civilly liable for damages you inflict, which does not address the issue I'm questioning. 

My question is simply how (under what legal rationale) one can legally transport a firearm that requires a CCW (permit) but said gun is not licensed/permitted as such.  But your post raises another issue because the LA law says "who lawfully use force".  If you use an unregistered gun, is the act of shooting someone in your vehicle with it still "lawful use of force"?  Me thinks some lawyers would have a good time with that one.  Linda
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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2017, 04:31:00 PM »
 I think if "paranoid Floyd" is REALLY WORRIED,, he needs to STAY HOME AND HIDE UNDER THE BED.>>>Dan
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Re: If someone was breaking into your MH to possibly hurt or kill you,
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2017, 11:13:15 PM »
Seems that you're mixing up licensing and registering of guns with a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) permit.

When traveling with guns in a motorhome (in California) they have to be empty, slide or trigger locked, and/or locked in a box.  Ammunition must be in a different locked box.  The boxes should be as far away from the driver as possible, in a trunk if possible.  (This is an extreme synopsis of about 15,000 words in the California gun law book, which is about 3 inches thick at present.)

As soon as you set up camp an RV becomes a home.  This has been discussed in this forum dozens of times just in the few years I've been a member. 

None of this has anything to do with the original question.  If you want to get the details of every states gun laws I suggest that a gun forum might be a better venue.
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