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newtrailerguy

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2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« on: May 22, 2017, 08:37:04 PM »
I have a new truck and am looking to buy our first travel trailer.

The truck is a 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost w/ Max Trailer Tow Package, trailer break control and 11,700lb towing capacity with 1,737lb payload.

We want to get the Jay Flight 33RBTS linked below with UVW=8530lb, GCWR = 10,9050lb, dry hitch weight = 865lb.

https://www.jayco.com/products/travel-trailers/2017-jay-flight/33rbts/

Is this too much trailer for my truck? Does the length matter much for towing (we will be getting a 4 point WDH)?

Is this considered a 33 foot trailer, or a 37 foot trailer (i.e. do you count the box, or bumper to hitch)?

Thanks a lot!

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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2017, 06:06:05 AM »
I think it's too much trailer there is no room for anything else usually you want 10-20% margin between tow rating and gvwr of the trailer.
Length is measured tip to tip.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2017, 07:10:06 AM »
Its very close to your limits.....   if you.planning to tow alot then you better expext alot of ware amd tare on your truck....
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newtrailerguy

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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2017, 07:18:16 AM »
We're in Central Ohio. We would likely take 2 trips to North Michigan per year, and 2-3 much shorter weekend trips.

I could certainly be wrong, but I can't imagine we'd be pushing the 10,9050lb GCWR on the trailer. Water tanks would be empty and not taking anything out of the ordinary (bikes being the heaviest I think).

We put a deposit on one (still at the factory) but am starting to second guess myself, mostly due to the length and partially due to the weight. Dealer said with the 4 pt WDH I shouldn't get any sway... does that sound reasonable, or is that an over sell?

The trucks wheelbase is 145.0 in, does that limit the length of TT I should be looking for? I a different dealer told me a longer trailer is actual easier to drive with, but everything else I've seen seems to say the opposite.

Thanks again!
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2017, 02:07:55 PM »
I'd love to get any other feedback. Right now I am leaning towards pulling the trigger on the 33RBTS,but am still a bit gun shy.

Thanks!


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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2017, 04:59:34 PM »
I'd love to get any other feedback. Right now I am leaning towards pulling the trigger on the 33RBTS,but am still a bit gun shy.

Thanks!
Don't do it! You'll have over 1,100 lbs. just tongue weight without WD setup. God I bet you'd be over GCWR of of 17,000 lbs. for that F150
Why even ask the question if your so inclined?
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2017, 05:01:06 PM »
First, welcome to the Forum!

NEVER believe a salesman!!  Here is why.          http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,90933.0.html

Search the Forum for WD Hitches.  Buy one from a source other than the dealer.  Get YOUR choice of hitch, not the one he makes the most profit on, and save a couple hundred $$.  They are not hard to set up, and will need to be readjusted once it is loaded for camping anyway.

You will be near your limit, but probably okay on weight.  The REAL hitch weight MUST BE at least 10% of actual loaded TT weight, so figure 900# - 1000# if you pack light.  Add the weight of passengers, bikes, and other cargo and 80# for a GOOD WD hitch, and you should still be below the 1737# payload.

Where did you get the Payload number?  There is a yellow label on the driver door latch pillar with the CCC or Payload for THAT TRUCK as it left the factory.  Any other payload source is just a guess and is almost always too high.

Another concern is the length.  That 33 ft box is a big sail that can push you all over on a windy day.  The F150 is a great light truck, but the TT weighs more than the truck.

Check the tire Load Rating.  Sometimes, these trucks will have Passenger tires for improved ride, and will not be rated to tow the load.  With a new truck, it should have tires capable of carrying the payload designated for the truck.

Why a new TT?  You can get more TT for the same money or the same one for significant savings.
New campers almost always have numerous factory "issues".  They are fixed under warranty, but this requires trips back to the dealer, and the lack of use while it is parked there.  Some dealers take weeks - or more - for simple repairs.  Gently used TT will usually have all these issues fixed, and be out of warranty, so you can choose your own repair facility / tech.
Many campers are traded within a couple years.  Common reasons are for a different floor plan, a bigger camper or sold for lack of time to use it.  This makes lots of gently used late model campers available.  It also makes a sale or trade much less expensive if you started with a used unit.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2017, 07:38:22 PM »
First, welcome to the Forum!

NEVER believe a salesman!!  Here is why.          http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,90933.0.html

Search the Forum for WD Hitches.  Buy one from a source other than the dealer.  Get YOUR choice of hitch, not the one he makes the most profit on, and save a couple hundred $$.  They are not hard to set up, and will need to be readjusted once it is loaded for camping anyway.

You will be near your limit, but probably okay on weight.  The REAL hitch weight MUST BE at least 10% of actual loaded TT weight, so figure 900# - 1000# if you pack light.  Add the weight of passengers, bikes, and other cargo and 80# for a GOOD WD hitch, and you should still be below the 1737# payload.

Where did you get the Payload number?  There is a yellow label on the driver door latch pillar with the CCC or Payload for THAT TRUCK as it left the factory.  Any other payload source is just a guess and is almost always too high.

Another concern is the length.  That 33 ft box is a big sail that can push you all over on a windy day.  The F150 is a great light truck, but the TT weighs more than the truck.

Check the tire Load Rating.  Sometimes, these trucks will have Passenger tires for improved ride, and will not be rated to tow the load.  With a new truck, it should have tires capable of carrying the payload designated for the truck.

Why a new TT?  You can get more TT for the same money or the same one for significant savings.
New campers almost always have numerous factory "issues".  They are fixed under warranty, but this requires trips back to the dealer, and the lack of use while it is parked there.  Some dealers take weeks - or more - for simple repairs.  Gently used TT will usually have all these issues fixed, and be out of warranty, so you can choose your own repair facility / tech.
Many campers are traded within a couple years.  Common reasons are for a different floor plan, a bigger camper or sold for lack of time to use it.  This makes lots of gently used late model campers available.  It also makes a sale or trade much less expensive if you started with a used unit.
Thank you.

I'll make sure I do my homework on the hitch. The dealer described theirs as a high end 4 pt WD hitch that helps with sway--selling to to me for $305 (negotiated price down). I will find out the make/model (they said they recommend two, with that being the better one). He said with that hitch we shouldn't get any sway with that hitch assuming we don't drive poorly...does that sound like a load of BS?

1737 is on the yellow sticker.

Right now the 4 of us weigh ~475lbs, but the kids are young, so we might be pushing 700lbs in the future. I imagine bikes would go on the back of the trailer, if that makes a difference. I think we could fit all cargo in the TT (except small electronics and other things to pass time on the trip).

Does a good WD hitch increase payload (I imagine that is a stupid question and the answer is no)?

I don't think we will be loading the TT up too heavy...don't think we'll haul much if any water. I could certainly be wrong, but I would think we'd be much closer to 10k lbs than 11k lbs loaded TT weight.

Is that pushing the payload too much? Seems like I would have an OK margin on towing capacity, but might be pretty close on payload.

Does the wheel base limit the length of trailer you should pull? Mine is 145 inch
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2017, 07:41:43 PM »
Why even ask the question if your so inclined?
Because I am hoping if I am making a dumb choice someone will tell me. So far (including other places as well) responses have ranged from "That won't be a problem at all" to "Yeah, you probably don't want to do that". I am new to this so looking for more experienced people's input.

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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2017, 07:43:52 PM »
Are deposits generally refundable? I put down a down payment over the phone without signing anything (dealer is out of town, but I had been in the trailer before).

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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2017, 08:59:38 PM »
You'll easily load that trailer with all the essentials to camp, that's at least 1,000 lbs. Because if you don't you'll be overloading the truck. Dry hitch weight means nothing on a travel trailer unless you a transporter. Even then it does not include battery and full propane tanks. Your looking to pull a trailer that weighs 2,000 lbs. minimum more than your tow vehicle GVWR and twice as long. Seriously consider a smaller lighter TT.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2017, 09:19:13 PM »
Thanks for the input.

Would the 31 foot White Hawk linked below be a safe option? It's 2k lbs lighter.

https://www.jayco.com/products/travel-trailers/2017-white-hawk/31bhbs/

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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2017, 09:26:16 PM »
Hi Newtrailerguy-

I've copied a reply I sent recently regarding my 2014 F150 with a 11,300lb towing capacity with 1,852 lb payload:
For the past year I have been towing an Artic Fox 25R with a 2014 F150 Ecoboost Supercrew w/ 3.73 rear end, max tow package. The integrated brake controller and tow/haul controls work great. The trailer totally loaded weighs in at 7880 lbs, with a trailer max at 10,000, i'm well below. The truck has exceeded my expectations towing this trailer. The power available when pulling a grade is more than ample and the engine does not howl, on a grade it loves to be around 2500 in 4th gear, you still have plenty of pedal left to pass slower vehicles when you need to and going downhill has been good as well. As far as the total length of the trailer, 28ft, this combo is about as far as I would want to push it. When you do get on the road be sure to pay attention to wind conditions, the power available in all pickups these days give some drivers the false sense that they can drive as fast as they want to because they can pull it, you can't overpower the affects of wind on a surface area. I'm using a Blue Ox sway pro hitch which has been working great so long as I turn off the F150's active anti-sway towing feature which wants to fight against the sway control of the hitch. It's my understanding that this is an issue with any sway control bars and the trucks anti-sway software.

You're getting a lot of good advise here at the Forum, continue to read up and do your homework.
Good luck,
Gary

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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2017, 07:04:40 PM »
A WD hitch does NOT change hitch wt or payload.  It simply redistributes that load more evenly.  Load from the rear axle of the truck is moved to the front axle and back onto the TT axles.

Use the SEARCH feature in the banner near the top of the page and enter WD Hitch.  You should find many recent posts on the topic including brand specific comments.  The price may be a fair one for a truly good hitch.

While a good WD hitch with sway control will certainly help reduce sway, a good gust of wind against that big sail may still cause some sway.

With 500# of people, 1000# hitch wt, 80# WD hitch and 20# of electronics (keep math simple), you have 1600# payload, still 137# below your max payload.  Weights are okay.  I am more concerned about overall length and the effects of wind.  The smaller TT would help both!  Just remember, Floor Plan, Floor Plan!
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2017, 07:53:43 PM »
I think you will be pushing the limits of your truck.  Some dealers would not return a deposit, but if you decide for another unit in the dealer, they are willing to transfer the deposit to the new unit.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2017, 07:30:46 PM »
Hi Newtrailerguy-

I've copied a reply I sent recently regarding my 2014 F150 with a 11,300lb towing capacity with 1,852 lb payload:
For the past year I have been towing an Artic Fox 25R with a 2014 F150 Ecoboost Supercrew w/ 3.73 rear end, max tow package. The integrated brake controller and tow/haul controls work great. The trailer totally loaded weighs in at 7880 lbs, with a trailer max at 10,000, i'm well below. The truck has exceeded my expectations towing this trailer. The power available when pulling a grade is more than ample and the engine does not howl, on a grade it loves to be around 2500 in 4th gear, you still have plenty of pedal left to pass slower vehicles when you need to and going downhill has been good as well. As far as the total length of the trailer, 28ft, this combo is about as far as I would want to push it. When you do get on the road be sure to pay attention to wind conditions, the power available in all pickups these days give some drivers the false sense that they can drive as fast as they want to because they can pull it, you can't overpower the affects of wind on a surface area. I'm using a Blue Ox sway pro hitch which has been working great so long as I turn off the F150's active anti-sway towing feature which wants to fight against the sway control of the hitch. It's my understanding that this is an issue with any sway control bars and the trucks anti-sway software.

You're getting a lot of good advise here at the Forum, continue to read up and do your homework.
Good luck,
Gary
I'm curious to your 7,880 lb. weight. Is that axle weight only or axle and tongue weight combined (GVW). Easy to see how much weight is added to camp or full time in a TT. Your UVW is around 6,100 lbs. UVW ,dry weight means nothing. Half Ton Tow able is over used LOL. Do your homework exactly.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2017, 09:10:34 PM »
Hi Wireman-

The 7880 lbs. is the loaded axle weight of the trailer, the UVW of my trailer as equipped is 6726 lbs. The repeated advice for people to do the homework and never go by the advertised "dry weight" should always be heeded.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2017, 09:28:44 PM »
So loaded axle weight is not your total weight. Add tongue to axle weight to get your TT gross weight. Approx 10% of 7,880 lbs. is 788 lbs. (hitch weight)  = 8,668 lbs. or GVW.  87% of max per mfg's 10,000 lbs. GVWR. What a can of worms this can be...LOL. Your really pulling around at least a 8,668 lbs. trailer.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2017, 09:25:13 AM »
Hi Wireman-

Not sure if what you spelled out is correct because the way I answered your axle weight question. To re-cap and be clear: my trailers gross dry weight as equipped from the factory weighs 6726 lbs, I 've got 1154lbs of stuff in it, it now weighs 7880 lbs as weighed standing alone on the scales disconnected from the tow vehicle.
Sorry for confusing everyone.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2017, 11:58:00 AM »
I have a new truck and am looking to buy our first travel trailer.

The truck is a 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost w/ Max Trailer Tow Package, trailer break control and 11,700lb towing capacity with 1,737lb payload.

We want to get the Jay Flight 33RBTS linked below with UVW=8530lb, GCWR = 10,9050lb, dry hitch weight = 865lb.

https://www.jayco.com/products/travel-trailers/2017-jay-flight/33rbts/

Is this too much trailer for my truck? Does the length matter much for towing (we will be getting a 4 point WDH)?

Is this considered a 33 foot trailer, or a 37 foot trailer (i.e. do you count the box, or bumper to hitch)?

Thanks a lot!
I, in my opinion only, think that the weight is more of a problem than the length. At 10,950 you are at 93.5% of capacity and the rule of thumb would be 85-90% or 10-15% of your truck towing capacity. So at 11,700lbs Tow capacity and a tongue weight around 1,100lbs you should look for a TT under 10,000lbs. I too am close with similar TV and TT dimensions. TV rated for 11,300lbs and TT with a GVWR at 9,650lbs. I have the E-Qualizer hitch and a 36' unit.
Again my opinion I would look for something under 10,000lbs.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2017, 08:15:04 PM »
Hi Wireman-

Not sure if what you spelled out is correct because the way I answered your axle weight question. To re-cap and be clear: my trailers gross dry weight as equipped from the factory weighs 6726 lbs, I 've got 1154lbs of stuff in it, it now weighs 7880 lbs as weighed standing alone on the scales disconnected from the tow vehicle.
Sorry for confusing everyone.

To define terms:

The Gross TT weight is 7880, the weight of the entire TT disconnected from the tow vehicle.

The Tongue Wt = Hitch Wt is typically 10% of Gross Wt, or about 800#.

This leaves about 7080# on the axles.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2017, 08:51:16 AM »
I have a new truck and am looking to buy our first travel trailer.

The truck is a 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost w/ Max Trailer Tow Package, trailer break control and 11,700lb towing capacity with 1,737lb payload.

We want to get the Jay Flight 33RBTS linked below with UVW=8530lb, GCWR = 10,9050lb, dry hitch weight = 865lb.

https://www.jayco.com/products/travel-trailers/2017-jay-flight/33rbts/

Is this too much trailer for my truck? Does the length matter much for towing (we will be getting a 4 point WDH)?

Is this considered a 33 foot trailer, or a 37 foot trailer (i.e. do you count the box, or bumper to hitch)?

Thanks a lot!
Bottom line is the truck will do the job and do it fairly easily. 
The main positive that you have in your favor is you are in Ohio and not the Rockies.
If it were me, and that was the trailer I wanted, I would do it, but I also have extensive towing experience with a bunch of different trailers, configurations and weights.
I've seen these new F150's tow bigger trailers than that on a consistent basis.  But if you do pull the trigger on this trailer, just know that you will always have to be mindful of how you load it.  If your wife is anything like mine, she will load every dang nilk and cranny with stuff just because there's space available:

Me: why do we need that?
Her: Because Ed likes to use it when he comes with us!
Me:  Ed?  Are you referring to our 85 year old family friend that hasn't camped with us in 12 years?
Her:  ummm yes
My thoughts:  as soon as she isn't paying attention I'm taking that out of there.

Anyway, enough about me.
So, you have the truck already and this trailer has a floor plan that you and the wife want and it is at least close to the truck's capacity when carefully loaded.  I think you will be fine, just don't load unnecessary items for the Ed in your family. 
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2017, 09:40:21 AM »
Here is a great tool to play with but remember stubby pencil can be way off and the CAT scales is your friend.

http://towingplanner.com/Calculators/TowingPayloadEstimate/?ccc=1737&dw=200&pw=200&hw=75&tc=20&ct=TT

You're adding approximately 495 lbs. to the truck. You have 1,242 lbs. of payload capacity. Travel trailers typically have 10% - 15% tongue weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 8,280 - 12,420 lbs.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2017, 03:31:45 PM »
Here is a great tool to play with but remember stubby pencil can be way off and the CAT scales is your friend.

http://towingplanner.com/Calculators/TowingPayloadEstimate/?ccc=1737&dw=200&pw=200&hw=75&tc=20&ct=TT

You're adding approximately 495 lbs. to the truck. You have 1,242 lbs. of payload capacity. Travel trailers typically have 10% - 15% tongue weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 8,280 - 12,420 lbs.
Good luck with maintaining a 10% tongue weight. Max trailer ratings are a fantasy at best. 12,420 lbs. is over F150 capability. 12,420 lb. trailer + 7,200 lb. TV is over F150 GCWR of 17,100 lbs.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2017, 03:44:30 PM »
To define terms:

The Gross TT weight is 7880, the weight of the entire TT disconnected from the tow vehicle.

The Tongue Wt = Hitch Wt is typically 10% of Gross Wt, or about 800#.

This leaves about 7080# on the axles.
There you go guessing what you tongue weight (the weight on your TV) is. Axle weight, GVW, dry hitch weight, dry axle weight, as built with options weight, what a cornfusing stab in the dark decision we must make with so much misinformation out there.
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2017, 05:57:37 PM »
There you go guessing what you tongue weight (the weight on your TV) is. Axle weight, GVW, dry hitch weight, dry axle weight, as built with options weight, what a cornfusing stab in the dark decision we must make with so much misinformation out there.

I take offense to such a broad brush shot at trying to do your homework!  Tongue weights WILL be about 10% - 12% of actual TT weight.  If you do not own a TT yet, and you are trying to estimate if a specific camper will fall within your tow vehicle's capacity, this will serve you well.  Do you have a better suggestion?  Granted, dry weights are worthless, but TT  GVWR and Gross Axle WR are firmly establishes values.  I never use dry wts in any calculation other than maybe estimating CCC.

Getting actual weights is always the best method, but this is impossible if you do not own a TV or TT and are just trying to see what rigs will work and which will not.  I am open to a better method!
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2017, 07:00:37 PM »
No offense given. You did your"Home Work". You bought a 1 Ton. Your covered.
2000 Silverado 1500 EC Z71 5.3L 325 hp DS intune, Airlift, 34" Alu 1.25"radiator, B&M 70266 trans cooler, oil cooler, Vet servo, Mag- Hytec, Pro comp ES9000, SUV brakes
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Re: 2017 F150 3.5L EcoBoost Max Trailer Tow Package
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2017, 11:51:18 PM »
To define terms:

The Gross TT weight is 7880, the weight of the entire TT disconnected from the tow vehicle.

The Tongue Wt = Hitch Wt is typically 10% of Gross Wt, or about 800#.

This leaves about 7080# on the axles.

Hi Grashley- Thanks for help in clarifying my dis-jointed info. I was really trying to impart some real world experience with this type of truck and my load. Not sure where the OP is in his quest at this point, hopefully still crunching numbers and ignoring the static.
2014 F150 Supercrew w/Ecoboost
2014 Arctic Fox 25R

 

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