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The Birth of a Bus
« on: May 27, 2017, 12:17:20 AM »
I am in Red Bay Alabama, at the Tiffin Motorhome factory. Today was the first day of our build of our Allegro Bus 40SP. Tiffin allows owners to follow the build down the assembly line. It was quite impressive. I showed up at 0600 and the chassis had just rolled into station #1.

I was there all day, and by quitting time it was heading to station 6 on Tuesday to put on the rear cap. This process really moves!  I was up close and personal as workers started to assemble the hundreds of parts that will make up this motor home.  There are 4 more days of build before it rolls off the assembly line and heads to paint. I will be here for all 4 days.  I have already taken about 200 pics of the process.  The workers are skilled and professional, and still have time to be quite friendly and informative. 
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2017, 12:24:46 AM »
Good for you.  Document the entire build and you will have the greatest rv manuals.
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2017, 01:03:19 AM »
What fun.

Boy would I be a nuisance. "How bout if we run couple extra cables here? Can I add this little light there? Did you remember the satellite internet cable along with the wifi and cell booster cables in case I add those? You know what would be cool....?" Etc etc

"Sir. SIR! Give me your hard hat and visitor's badge and step away from the assembly line!"  ::)
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2017, 05:02:36 AM »
How very cool Marty. I am jealous. I had a Tiffin once and it was a great RV. I am sure you will be very happy.
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2017, 06:41:26 AM »
Thanks for sharing that, Marty. You're doing with your bus what I did with our house (over months, not days though), getting pix and being familiar with it inside and out. Enjoy.
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2017, 06:53:22 AM »
Great Marty. The photos will be invaluable for future troubleshooting.


Meanwhile, keep the photos coming; When you're done, this would be a good addition to our photo gallery. The last time we saw a factory build was Smokey & Sharon's coach:


http://www.rvforum.net/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=11
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2017, 07:28:39 AM »
What a great experience, I would absolutely love to do that!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2017, 08:09:56 AM »
Fantastic, Marty! I'm glad you're getting to witness the "birth" of your new coach!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2017, 09:35:47 AM »
Great pictures, Marty. Thanks for sharing. And congrats on the new "house on wheels".
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2017, 04:25:58 PM »
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Meanwhile, keep the photos coming

I second that. I love these photos.
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2017, 09:19:18 PM »
Terry did somewhat the same on our Country Coach build in  1999. The photos Terry took have been valuable when making repairs later.  One comes to understand  why the price is so high on these  vehicles/homes when they watch all the inside  processes.

The workers were so grateful to  Terry  for buying the rig that they were more than happy to answer questions, let him take photos and generally be " in their way."

Enjoy the  process and congrats as I read on Facebook that your Fallbrook home sold again! The  plan just keeps falling into  place!
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2017, 10:47:40 PM »
Thank you everyone! This is truly one of the coolest experiences I have ever had. And since I have already taken over 200 pics, I will fill in a few of the spaces that were covered in the first few pics.
Enjoy the  process and congrats as I read on Facebook that your Fallbrook home sold again! The  plan just keeps falling into  place!

True Betty! We are so excited about the quick sale and offer.  It feels like the pieces are finally falling into place!

Some additional pics from day one.  In #1, if the engine looks close in this pic, it's because it is! This model has a side radiator, so the engine is totally accessible right from the back of the coach. The power plant is the Cummins ISL. It is rated at 450 HP and 1250 ft lbs of torque.

#2 If the tires look big, they are. The Michelins on this coach are 315 80 22.5.

#3 The storage tanks are being set. The white tank on the bottom is the 90 gallon fresh water tank. The black tank on top is the 50 gallon black water tank. It will be joined by the 70 gallon gray water tank next to it.

#4 I opted for two pass through slide out trays in the storage bays. No more struggling to reach the stuff in the middle.

#5 We also splurged on heated floors. The wires in the photo are actually spaced 2" apart and attached to the sub floor. Only wires that will actually provide heat have a silvery sheath to them. Some are plain black wires that are "dummy" wires that are just put in to keep the entire floor surface level for the tile floor that is applied to the top in the next step.

#6 The next step is to apply the entire sub floor with mastic in prep for the tile.

#7 Then one massive sheet of ceramic tile that has been preset on a 1/2" sheet of strand board, grouted, and all the appropriate relief cuts made is lifted onto the chassis by a overhead crane with suction cups and is prepared to be placed into position.

That's it for now! More later!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2017, 11:19:17 AM »
Great Marty. The photos will be invaluable for future troubleshooting.


Meanwhile, keep the photos coming; When you're done, this would be a good addition to our photo gallery. The last time we saw a factory build was Smokey & Sharon's coach:


http://www.rvforum.net/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=11

Absolutely Tom! With 200+ pics already, there is no telling what the final tally will be.
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2017, 01:23:00 PM »
Fabulous Marty! Really exciting watching the process, can't wait to see the finished article!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2017, 03:00:14 PM »
Great job posting the pictures! Amazing that you only took 200! I would have a few thousand each day. ;-)

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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2017, 03:20:24 PM »
That would be a blast - even if it wasn't mine!  love how they heat the floors.
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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2017, 04:18:46 PM »
Great job posting the pictures! Amazing that you only took 200! I would have a few thousand each day. ;-)

I would have taken more, but the battery on the camera was dying about an hour before quitting time! And I have 3 more build days left!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2017, 05:46:18 PM »
Congrats on the new Bus Marty, a big move up since the Meridian. Enjoy
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2017, 09:13:26 PM »
oh, what fun being able to watch it!
How much tweaking do they let you do on the fly?   Things such as ...."hey, can you move that outlet 6 inches to the right?"
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2017, 10:01:35 PM »


I took a tour of the Marathon Coach factory this last TUE. I was told they average about 18 motorhomes a year. Video/photo documenting that build would take lots of batts and memory. ONE month is allowed for the painting process.
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2017, 10:46:12 AM »
Bus build continued:

#1 & 2 With the mastic applied, the crane lifts the huge sheet of tile into the air and with the help of a few workers is placed onto the mastic.

#3 & 4 Screws with large fender washers are placed all around the perimeter and in known non-heated areas of the floor to secure the tile sheet to the sub floor. For securing the tile in the center section, the floor is energized causing it to heat up. The worker then walks the floor with a FLIR camera to place the middle hold downs. The box that energizes the floor also has an alarm. If any heat wire is broken, then a loud alarm goes off alerting the worker to the problem.

#5 With the floor in place, all of the plumbing and electrical wiring is pulled through the openings in the tile in preparation of setting the fixtures and appliances.

#6 The shower stall is laid flat and filled with water to test the unit for water tightness.

#7 & 8 Another massive amount of wires to route is at the firewall of the dash board area. Pic 7 is the behind the firewall pic and 8 is the drivers side.  I can't imagine keeping all that wiring straight and hooking it up to the correct place! 

#9 & 10 The preassembled cabinet sections are bought over and set in place on the floor. Workers secure the sections to the floor, and route the necessary wires and plumbing lines to the appropriate fixture.

Stay tuned! More to follow as this was still day one!
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2017, 11:02:41 AM »
You're not at all excited are you Marty? ;D
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2017, 11:23:08 AM »
Were you able to custom order anything?  (extra cable runs, etc.)  I'd be tempted to jump up there and start adding stuff :)
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2017, 02:23:11 PM »
Cool.  We used to do the same basic procedures with the boats.  I love watching stuff like that. 
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2017, 02:30:41 PM »
Nice shots, Marty, but curiously I only count nine pix.
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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2017, 04:15:48 PM »
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Larry, I count 10, but had to use both hands  ;D
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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2017, 06:59:57 PM »
Larry, I count 10, but had to use both hands  ;D

Odd, I do too, now. But I counted three times this morning and only got nine. Perhaps I'm only firing on 2.535 cylinders...  :o
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2017, 12:51:07 AM »
You're not at all excited are you Marty? ;D

How could you tell Kev!  Just like a little kid at Christmas!
Were you able to custom order anything?  (extra cable runs, etc.)  I'd be tempted to jump up there and start adding stuff :)

Oh yeah Brad. We deleted some stuff we didn't want, changed some furniture, and even got the lead carpenter to custom make some cabinetry for us!  As long as you don't get too crazy, they can be real easy to work with. 

I had the carpenter modify a sliding shelf unit under the sink, and since Diane wanted more counter space I eliminated a recliner chair and had the carpenter build another counter top area using the same cabinetry wood and even a matching solid surface top!  Tiffin worked with me and we just traded off the recliner for the labor and counter top so it didn't cost me anything out of pocket.   


Odd, I do too, now. But I counted three times this morning and only got nine. Perhaps I'm only firing on 2.535 cylinders...  :o

It can happen Larry. I have been running on red line for about 3 weeks now!
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2017, 06:53:55 AM »
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It can happen Larry. I have been running on red line for about 3 weeks now!

True, Marty, but I don't have the excitement and anticipation of a new coach to blame.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2017, 09:20:13 AM »

Oh yeah Brad. We deleted some stuff we didn't want, changed some furniture, and even got the lead carpenter to custom make some cabinetry for us!  As long as you don't get too crazy, they can be real easy to work with. 

I had the carpenter modify a sliding shelf unit under the sink, and since Diane wanted more counter space I eliminated a recliner chair and had the carpenter build another counter top area using the same cabinetry wood and even a matching solid surface top!  Tiffin worked with me and we just traded off the recliner for the labor and counter top so it didn't cost me anything out of pocket.   

Awesome!  Good move on the carpenter, that is hard to do after its built (matching wood, etc)
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« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2017, 10:28:17 AM »
And in chatting with the carpenter, he used to have a job matching colors for a furniture manufacturer.  So the finish on the new counter base is spot on.  We went with a Natural Cherry finish, which has slightly reddish hue that really shows off the natural grain of the wood. He nailed the color match. 
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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2017, 06:58:33 PM »
Back to the build pics.  As the process moved on, the dashboard and all of it's myriad of wires starts getting hooked up. It's a wonder anything works with all of the connections that need to be hooked up to the right place.

And this is something different that I will need to learn about. I have 2 toilets in the new rig ;D  both of them are electric flush ???

And #3 is the "brain center" for much of the rig. This is what the panel looked like after a worker spent about 2 hours hooking up, controlling, and tying down about a hundred wires.

#4-Ever wonder how they managed to get those heavy washers and dryers into those tight spaces in the back of the rig? EASY! They slide them in before the walls are in. 

#5-The shower and several of the preassembled cabinet units are now in place.

#6-And here is another new bit of technology for me to learn about. An AquaHot now controls the water heating and space heating functions in the rig. The AquaHot is electric or diesel powered. No more propane anywhere on the rig.

#7 & 8-And now it is time to have the first sidewall set in place. A huge overhead crane handles the heavy lifting.

#9-And the back panel of the rig is set into place. This will eventually be covered up when the rear cap is set. It was cool to get pics of the rear wall before it was covered, never to be seen again.

#10-And now the passenger sidewall is set into place. Now it is starting to look like a real RV. It's hard to believe that this is still day 1!

Almost to the end of day 1. More to come!
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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2017, 07:23:03 PM »
Fantastic, Marty! I can only imagine your excitement at seeing it all come together...  ;D
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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2017, 08:42:33 PM »
Nice, Marty. Thanks for sharing those pics.

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#6-And here is another new bit of technology for me to learn about. An AquaHot now controls the water heating and space heating functions in the rig. The AquaHot is electric or diesel powered. No more propane anywhere on the rig.

You'll learn to love it. If it's like my Beaver was, it'll be a LOT quieter than the propane furnace. Do you also have the engine heater option?
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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2017, 10:28:53 PM »
I don't think it has a Motoraid function. It's all handled by the Aquahot.
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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2017, 11:12:31 PM »
I don't think it has a Motoraid function. It's all handled by the Aquahot.

THe AquaHot 450D has three source of heat: Diesel burner, electric, and the engine. The engine loop can also be used to preheat the engine. This is the version in the Bus. In essence the engine loop is like "motoraid".
AquaHot also make a 400D that does not have the engine loop/pump.
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« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2017, 09:24:58 AM »
Thanks Ken. For the time being, I don't know what I don't know!  There will be a learning curve once I take delivery of the Bus.  I'm excited to start.
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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2017, 09:41:21 AM »
Well it's been three days, Sarge!  Updated pics? :))
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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2017, 03:27:27 PM »
Been in some places with lousy internet, so posting pics is tough. Will try again later tonight.
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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2017, 05:17:00 PM »
Super Cool. 

That's a job I wouldn't mind having - at least for awhile.  Knowing how it was put together could be priceless someday.

Now your first post was May 27, and you indicated that it would be 4 or 5 days before it rolled off the line - ready for paint.

Just curious - how much longer before you take delivery?

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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2017, 06:25:33 PM »
I am really happy for you guys...it is exciting just watching your Bus being built. I can only imagine your anticipation.
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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2017, 06:37:06 PM »
Has Diane started a new blog for your newest adventure?  You're fun to read, too, but I'm a big fan of Diane's blog (version?) of what is happening on your trips.  ;D   I seem to have lost the link to her previous blog.  Been having some computer issues lately. 

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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2017, 11:42:49 PM »
I believe the link to Diane's new blog is in Marty's signature. I enjoy enjoy Marty's posts here and Diane's blog to hear about their new and ongoing adventures.  I am looking forward to more pictures and more updates! I want to see the bus!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2017, 01:03:55 AM »
I believe the link to Diane's new blog is in Marty's signature. I enjoy enjoy Marty's posts here and Diane's blog to hear about their new and ongoing adventures.  I am looking forward to more pictures and more updates! I want to see the bus!
 

Thank you!  Missed that somehow but just read it and caught up.  Looking forward to more entries.

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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2017, 08:47:45 AM »
passing through AL yesterday, and saw the sign to turn for Red Bay...... was thinking about you Sarge
I have been thinking a lot about you Sarge while driving these last couple weeks, & checking out the larger MH's on the road.  I have not been the least bit homesick so I have been contemplating your adventure....
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2017, 10:46:19 AM »
Just curious - how much longer before you take delivery?

Our scheduled delivery date is 6/28.  According to the schedule, it should be delivered to the dealer tomorrow. They they start a rather extensive PDI.

Thanks everyone! Using RV park WIfi is a challenge at best. Diane is working on an entry right now, and will post if the campground WiFi will accept the upload. 

The anticipation is killing me to take delivery! We are currently in Sallisaw OK, with about 400 miles until we get to Tupelo and check into a motel for a few days while the dealer finishes up their PDI.  We will be here for another few days, so I should be able to get caught up as well. 

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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2017, 01:49:54 PM »
The build continued: At the end of day 1, one of the last items to be hoisted into place is the cabinetry that sits up over the dash board.  And it's a lot more than just a piece of trim, there is a ton of wires and stuff all stashed back there.

#1&2- A crane lifts the overhead dash panel into place and holds it there while workers secure it to the frame.

#3- The second day was heavy into making connections for all the stuff that runs the Bus. I wondered what the lonely looking holes were for in the back right side of the back wall.

#4&5- Inside the soon to be mounted back cap, there is even still more wiring to connect.  Pic #5 you can see the reinforced panels on the inside of the cap that will support my roof ladder. Ladders are an option now, they used to be put on every unit. Customers complained that they didn't need them and felt that they were useless. I don't know what I would do without one.

#6&7- In the left corner of the back cap is the air cleaner and the stack pipe that leads to the intake vent high on the outside edge. The upper location of the air intake helps to limit any road debris and excessive road water from entering the intake tube during a hard rain.

#8- A huge overhead crane with suction cups pics up the nearly 40' long roof panel and moves it into position to be attached to the side walls.

#9- This mass of wires coming out of the roof panel will be fed into the holes in the back wall I observed earlier. Those wires run the 3 AC units, the satellite system, the surround system, and the many roof LED's that are already built in to the roof panel.

#10- The roof panel is suspended about 6" off of the walls to give workers time to route the extensive wiring bundles to where they need to go power all the controls for the related electronic appliances.

More to come!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2017, 08:32:11 PM »
Marty,
parked by what appears to be a new A-bus with a Motorcycle lift on the back.  What a beautiful rig!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2017, 09:54:51 PM »
Love it Brad, that's always a possibility!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2017, 07:36:01 AM »
This is a fun thread to follow, thanks for sharing.

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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #50 on: June 29, 2017, 07:41:25 AM »
agreed.....
so i take it you have moved in, or are in the process now Sarge.

One thing I didn't quite follow..... so were you there for the entire build start to finish?  Unless I missed soemthing the last update looked like they still had quite a bit to do.

Then you said something about it being delivered to a dealer for PDI.  So I take it that even though you are there, they still ship to a local dealership to do the hand-off....
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2017, 08:56:34 PM »
Yeah Brad, I was only there for the 5 days of the build of the house portion. When it went out for paint is when I left. There are more photo's for the blog, but I am trying desperately to get all our stuff moved in. Even though this rig is 4' longer, it seems all the storage areas are a slightly different size. So all of my stuff has to be re-shuffled to fit the new storage areas.  And the rain is coming in every day, so we are trying to work between the raindrops.

They finished it up, and then sent it to the dealer for their PDI.  That's when I came back and did the walk through.
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2017, 10:55:07 PM »
Back to the build:

Pic 1- A massive amount of wires are routed from the roof and run through an opening on the lower left corner of the back wall. This opening leads to the location of the 120 volt circuit breaker panel.

Pic 2- The blue lines that run from the roof to the lower left corner are the AC condensate drip lines that carry condensation from each of the 3 roof airs to the ground in the back of the rig.

Pic 3&4- With the roof and sidewalls in place,  workers start laying the radius edges that will bind and seal the roof to the side walls.

Pic 5- With the roof radius in place, it is time to set the rear cap. Again a large suction crane handles the heavy lifting.

Pic6- All those wires in the roof start to get hooked up to their respective controls.

Pic 7- All of the openings in the ceiling panel will soon be filled with lights, speakers, and vent fans.

Pic 8- The floor plan still looks pretty open with the slide rooms in place as of yet.

Pic 9- The front passenger slide room is preassembled and ready to be set into place. The big space at the end is where the residential refer will go.

Pic 10- The front drivers side slide is where much of the kitchen cabinets and appliances will reside.

More to come!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2017, 08:17:40 AM »
So fun!
Wish I had that catwalk in my garage!  Sure make it easy to wax and check the roof.
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2017, 08:49:12 AM »
Looks sooo roomy when the slides are detached. ;D

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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2017, 03:52:22 PM »
thanks for taking the time to post all this when you are so busy with your new toy,congratulations hope you have many trouble free miles.
please post a picture of the finished jewel when you have time.

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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2017, 05:05:50 PM »
Oh I will. There is such a steep learning curve with the new RV and all of the new systems, but I am getting it. That and finding out how to store all my "stuff" in the spaces in the new rig. I will keep posting the pics, and the finished product and the changes we have made already to "make it our own".  Thanks for coming along for the ride!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2017, 05:25:15 PM »
There are some mighty tempting pictures on Diane's blog of July 9th.  Enough to turn me green with envy.  ;)   

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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2017, 07:09:08 PM »
Marty,
I've always found changes from one RV to another to come in size "too."   Cupboard, closet,  drawer or bay space  space is too high, too short, too narrow, too deep, too close to something else.  Always had to buy new  bins at Target or Dollar store!

A paradigm  shift!   Have fun enjoy!
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« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2017, 09:01:35 PM »
You nailed that one Betty! Diane is going nuts trying to figure out how to make the stuff sized for the old rig to fit into the new spaces. Plus since we sold the stick house, we even have a bit more than before since we took some of the "must have" stuff out of the house.
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2017, 06:20:56 AM »
I know you believe you understand what you think I said,
But I am not sure you realize what you heard is not what I meant


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« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2017, 06:35:54 PM »
If I was much younger, absolutely.  But now? The DW would kill me!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2017, 08:01:57 PM »
Thanks for sharing, we just bought our new to us 2005 Beaver and I can really respect the work that goes into these coaches after reading your thread.
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #63 on: August 01, 2017, 09:02:20 AM »
I finally got around to looking at the pics on Diane's blog. That's a sweet lookin' coach! 8) I really like that floorplan.
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« Reply #64 on: August 03, 2017, 08:20:06 PM »
Thanks! That was one of the things that sold us too. The funny part is, the first 1/4 of the coach floorplan was the same as the Phaeton.  Still figuring out the whistles and bells though. 
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2017, 04:53:44 PM »
Sarge, did I miss the final coach birth?

Don't remember seeing any overall images of the inside and then the outside.
Did you take possession of the coach yet?
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2017, 04:59:56 PM »
There are gorgeous pictures of the new coach on Diane's blog:   http://www.mytripjournal.com/rvnchickTNG

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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2017, 08:08:40 PM »
I just saw this post and read through it. All I can say is CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
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« Reply #68 on: August 04, 2017, 08:13:53 PM »
Sarge, did I miss the final coach birth?

Don't remember seeing any overall images of the inside and then the outside.
Did you take possession of the coach yet?
Yep, you got me! I have been so distracted doing projects and reorganization that I got side tracked. I will follow it up soon!
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« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2017, 08:54:26 PM »
And the build rolls on.....

Another one of the little mystery's of building the rig. How do you get the refer in so easy?  You put it in first.
 
#1- One worker with the refer on a lift puts the unit in the open wall and places it on a "slide sheet" to push into position later.

#2- Another worker prepares to set the first slide. He does it by himself with use of a crane lift.

#3- And then it is slid into place.

#4- Big slides took more horsepower.

#5- Preparing to set the front cap.

#6&7 - The start of day 3 was the adding the roof rails, and the install of the basement storage doors.

#8&9 - And the interior finish work starts, adding drawers, and cabinet doors.

After the finish was was nearly done, I left for home while the Bus went to the Belmont facility for paint. 

#10- This is the first photo of the completed rig at the dealer, Sherman RV in Mississippi.

Next are the inside finish pics!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2017, 09:11:58 PM »
Very nice rig, very nice indeed.
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« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2017, 07:44:01 AM »
Thanks for the additional pics, Marty -- and she does look mighty nice.
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2017, 07:55:22 AM »
Fantastic pics, Marty! It's pretty amazing seeing these beasts "come alive"...
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2017, 11:06:24 AM »
Where are you heading next? I know a nice campsite in Grapevine Texas. ;)
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« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2017, 07:38:45 PM »
We just pulled into Hungry Mother state park in Virginia. Pretty nice place!
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« Reply #75 on: August 05, 2017, 07:46:25 PM »
Let the adventure begin. ;)
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #76 on: August 05, 2017, 07:50:32 PM »
Beautiful Marty!  I like those colors too!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #77 on: August 05, 2017, 08:22:28 PM »
Thanks for the images - so I wasn't crazy  ;D

Will be interested to hear how it drives/handles and if you have any problems with it.
If you don't have any problems I wonder if it could be that you were there for a lot of the build process and they
knew you were watching and so did an extra good job and didn't cut any corners - whereas someone that just orders
one and then shows up to collect it probably didn't have the same interest in it and with no one watching - does that make a difference?

Either way - congrats on the new coach and thanks for letting us in on the build process - as I doubt I will ever be able to buy a new coach. :(
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #78 on: August 06, 2017, 08:00:18 AM »
The differences between this coach and Phaeton are many.  Some are wonderful, some I haven't decided yet.  The most dramatic is the ride and handling of this coach.  I have to attribute it to the Independent Front Suspension (IFS) as opposed to the Freightliner solid front axle, the longer wheelbase, and the bigger motor. This rig has a Cummins ISL 450 HP and 1200 ft lbs of torque. 

This suspension floats over most road imperfections, and the Freightliner "banged" over them. This rig will power up most grades without downshifting or slowing down.  If I do slow it usually because traffic in front of me has slowed.  But there is a price to pay for all that power, and that is usually reduced MPG. But would I give it back to get better MPG? Nope. 

I love the added room inside the coach. It is just roomy.  The Phaeton wasn't exactly small, 37'.  But the extra 4' is noticeable, and I like it. It is noticeable when driving though. Mostly when turning tight corners. And when pulling out of a driveway onto a two lane road, I really need to clear traffic because I will be  taking both lanes for a bit to get pointed in the right direction.  Again, I still wouldn't go back to the smaller rig.

Lots of new storage space, but I had to figure out how to best use it. Every new coach I have ever had was always a puzzle to figure out how to fit stuff into. Now that I am getting it figured out, I have lots more outside room than I did before. 

Lots more observations, but I don't want to turn this entry into a novel. But one more question I will address, because I think it is relevant.  Yes, I truly believe that being there for the build and following it down the line made a huge difference.  I chatted with the workers, smiled a lot and took a genuine interest in what they were doing. Most of them were extremely nice, and took a few minutes to explain the process of what they were doing. Every 4-5 "stations" had an inspector that met and chatted with. Their job was to scrutinize the build process, and identify and mark with a colored masking tape any slight imperfection they saw, and get it addressed immediately. Some marked dozens of slight adjustments that were addressed.  Some I couldn't even see, and I am a critical son of gun for doing things right.

By the end of the 5 day build, I was totally satisfied that my coach was as good as it could be. When it got to the dealer, Sherman RV in Mississippi, their PDI was extensive.  They had a 130 point inspection list that they do on every coach, and I saw mine.  They told me that the PDI flew by because they found nearly nothing that needed addressed. My experience after delivery has been similar. I have addressed a few minor issues, tighten a screw, adjust a latch.

The issues I have had or still do are more to do with the function of a new system and learning how to make it work. There is a learning curve on any new or used rig.  There has been a few systems that I will talk about in future post that I haven't decided about yet.  But the overall impression so far is, I LOVE IT!
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #79 on: August 08, 2017, 09:53:42 AM »
Nice to see an update.  Glad it's working out well so far!  I'm really looking forward to reading your future adventures....

and enjoy Hungry Mother's
reminds me of a fun trip I took there years ago...just a day trip up from Williamsburg where I lived at the time to attend some festival in the park.  Flew along with a friend in his Cessna 172, while another friend flew along with us in loose formation in his Pitts special (red aerobatic bi-plane).  He gave us quite an airshow doing loops and rolls around us to make up for our slower speed so we could keep up with him....
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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #80 on: August 08, 2017, 03:28:01 PM »
Congrats Marty and Diane.  Don't know how I missed this earlier.

Coach turned out great.  Hope you enjoy many, many miles in her.

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Re: The Birth of a Bus
« Reply #81 on: August 10, 2017, 09:20:23 PM »
Nice rig Sarge, welcome to the Allegro family! It's really great being able to call the OEM # and actually speak to a tech that works on these. We absolutely love ours.
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« Reply #82 on: August 30, 2017, 12:37:49 PM »
Great to hear you guys made the right decision. Hope you are getting better weather now to enjoy it!
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« Reply #83 on: August 31, 2017, 05:38:27 PM »
Well, I will wrap up the Birth of a Bus story. We have had it about 2 months now and love it. We are settled in and it is feeling like home. I still continue to do my modifications to tweak things the way that works best for us. That may be the next thread!  But here are a few pics of the finished product, the way that we picked her up.

#1- This is how she looked when we arrived to pick her up. Clean and shiny, except for all the stickers that they insist on putting on everything!

#2- This is from the entry looking towards the back. All of the lighting is LED and about half are dim-able. We also opted for the booth dinette this time. We had a free standing table and chairs in the last several coaches,  and decided that the booth was more functional and comfortable. There is pull out storage under the seats.

#3- Solid surface counters and tile back splash give it a high end feel. There is a Wolf induction cook top and 2 deep solid surface sink basins in the kitchen area. On the right side of the cabinet area is a set of 3 pull out drawers on a slide out island with a matching solid surface top.  This is also the theater seating unit we opted for instead of a pull out sofa bed or L sofa. (I will later reconfigure the theater seating unit). 

#4- One of the things we loved about our Phaeton, and bought this floor plan because of the same feature is the corner mounted TV, and the fireplace underneath. The TV can be seen from anywhere in the rig, and it's amazing how much we use the fireplace. The counter top area next to the TV is the section I had added at the factory. That space used to be for a stand alone recliner, but the counter is way more functional. (I modify it as well a little later).

#5- This is the half bath that Diane didn't think we needed. I stuck to my guns, as I am usually the one in there!  Actually it has remained quite functional, and convenient to boot.

#6- The residential refer is the same as the one that was in the Phaeton. We love it and wouldn't have another gas refer. The blank wall next to it usually comes with "standard art work" from the factory. Since I was there for the build I had them not put it up. We will put up our own stuff to personalize the rig. We still took the art work though and will put it up if we ever sell the rig.

#7- The king size bed was one of the primary reasons for trading up to this coach. It turned out to be an outstanding idea. It is a sleep number bed, and we both sleep like a baby most nights. The illuminated blue panel on the wall is part of the Spyder system in the rig.  Most all of the electronics are on the various touch pads around the coach. As a later add, I bought a "Coach Proxy" program that syncs with the Spyder system and we can control the coach with our cell phones or computers.

#8- Drivers side bedroom cabinets. The entertainment cabinet is below the TV. Another "master" spyder panel on the wall next to one of the 3 roof AC thermostats.

#9- Drivers side master bedroom. The tall cabinet on the right is the stacked washer/dryer. Sink area in the corner,  and the mirrors are on the double closet in the rear. (BTW, the guy taking the pics was our salesman, Jared)

#10- And the rest of the master bath. Solid surface shower with 2 shower heads, maceration toilet, and the rest of the clothes closet.

That's pretty much and overview of the inside of the rig. We are still making it our own, so that means I still have mods to do!

I could do a whole section on the outside stuff, but most people are not as wrapped as tight as me about every feature of a motorhome!  Thanks for coming along on the journey!
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« Reply #84 on: August 31, 2017, 05:56:00 PM »
Wow! That's really nice, Marty. Thanks for sharing those pics.
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« Reply #85 on: August 31, 2017, 06:09:34 PM »
I was introduced to a Bath and a half coach today, it is a very nice floorplan, and not a floor plan that I had considered before today. I am going to revisit it again tomorrow when they can have the coach cooled down, as I dropped in this afternoon without prior notice and the coach was blazing inside.
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« Reply #86 on: August 31, 2017, 06:18:56 PM »
It has turned out to be one of my favorite features!  It's amazing the longer the DW and I spend time together, the more our "systems" sync up....
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« Reply #87 on: August 31, 2017, 07:39:21 PM »
It's stunning! Congratulations again 😁
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« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2017, 08:03:24 PM »
Thanks Jackie!
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« Reply #89 on: August 31, 2017, 09:41:36 PM »
You have a nice coach.
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« Reply #90 on: September 01, 2017, 12:44:08 AM »
Congratulations all round Marty, and thanks for sharing the story with us. I'm still amazed that, having seen your prior coach, you wanted something "better". But it's definitely a step up. Hope you both have many enjoyable times and trips.
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« Reply #91 on: September 01, 2017, 06:06:36 AM »
Man... what a dump! You're actually going to have to live in that thing?   ;D

You better know I'm kiddin'...that coach is gorgeous! As I said before, I love that floorplan. I hope it's troublefree for you both and ya'll get a lot of enjoyment out of it. Congratulations!
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« Reply #92 on: September 01, 2017, 07:36:35 AM »
Nice looking coach Marty.  Happy for you and Diane.

I for one am one of those people who would like to see the exterior, storage, engine bay, etc of the coach if you find it in yourself to take pictures.  I like to see the meat & potatoes of the coach vs. the fluff.

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« Reply #93 on: September 01, 2017, 12:08:40 PM »
Man, that is a beautiful coach Marty! I love all the automation and how it all works together.

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« Reply #94 on: September 01, 2017, 12:21:59 PM »
Nice photos.. Congratulations!
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« Reply #95 on: September 01, 2017, 02:00:32 PM »
Hey, thanks for teh update.  I've been wondering how well things were going.

Is that a floor hatch in the master bath?
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« Reply #96 on: September 01, 2017, 02:28:11 PM »
Marty:

I have to agree about the half-bath. Before we got our Bus, we though that a half-bath was a waste of space. We gradually came around. After 5 months, I don't know how we lived without it.
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« Reply #97 on: September 01, 2017, 02:33:03 PM »
I for one am one of those people who would like to see the exterior, storage, engine bay, etc of the coach if you find it in yourself to take pictures.  I like to see the meat & potatoes of the coach vs. the fluff.

Add me to the list of "would like to see" also, please.

It's a great looking coach.

So I'm not the only one that doesn't have a TV that is overhead?  That was one feature I was looking for when I was looking for a coach.
I assume you don't have one overhead as there was no picture looking towards the front of the coach or any of the cockpit area.

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« Reply #98 on: September 01, 2017, 03:11:05 PM »
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Is that a floor hatch in the master bath?

Likely it is, Brad. Diesel pushers  generally have the engine more or less under the floor in the rear of the coach. In my Beaver the hatch was in the closet (and just outside it, too), which was all along the back wall, while in my Ventana it's like Marty's, with the engine hatch in the bath, because the bath is in the rear.
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« Reply #99 on: September 01, 2017, 08:26:11 PM »
Congratulations all round Marty, and thanks for sharing the story with us. I'm still amazed that, having seen your prior coach, you wanted something "better". But it's definitely a step up. Hope you both have many enjoyable times and trips.

Thanks Tom. Diane "blames" me, and I think she is right!  There was just some stuff that bugged me with the Phaeton, and it wasn't fixable.   When we decided to sell the house,  that's when it all started coming together.
Man... what a dump! You're actually going to have to live in that thing?   ;D

I hope it's troublefree for you both and ya'll get a lot of enjoyment out of it. Congratulations!

Yeah, it's been pretty good so far. There are a few small problems that we have discovered with systems, but we are getting them  taken care of.  Nothing major to complain about.

Is that a floor hatch in the master bath?

Good eye Brad! Yes it is. Even though it is a side radiator, there is a hatch to get to the top side of the motor for service. I haven't had it off yet, but I will!

Marty:

I have to agree about the half-bath. Before we got our Bus, we though that a half-bath was a waste of space. We gradually came around. After 5 months, I don't know how we lived without it.

Mee too. There is no more "waiting my turn" when the moment is right.  It is one of my favorite features too!

Add me to the list of "would like to see" also, please.

It's a great looking coach.

So I'm not the only one that doesn't have a TV that is overhead?  That was one feature I was looking for when I was looking for a coach.
I assume you don't have one overhead as there was no picture looking towards the front of the coach or any of the cockpit area.

Have fun with your new toy.  ;D

That over the front TV was one that we deleted in the build. It was "standard" in the floor plan, but we have never used it when we did have one in the previous coach. I had that one taken out as well. With the mid ship angled TV, the one over the dash was just something to run into, and dust. With it gone the view out the front  is greatly enhanced.

I am inspired guys! I will take some pics of the outside stuff and provide a little more insight into the storage and external stuff.  I love "gear heads"!!
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« Reply #100 on: September 02, 2017, 04:09:55 AM »
Count me in the gear head group. Looking forward to those pictures. Congratulations on your new home!
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« Reply #101 on: September 04, 2017, 10:16:05 PM »
Birth of a Bus, Part II. OK guys, here is the outside stuff.

#1- The awning was a feature I wasn't sure about. The multi-angle thing worried me a bit as I have had my share of problems with awnings. It's a Paramount Awning and is mounted on the roof, not attached to the wall. This creates another slide top cover when it is partially extended. Then it extends to  three more positions until fully deployed. So far it has worked great. The wind sensor in it works, but not too sensitive, and the drop angle provides way more shade than the previous  slide mount awning. 

#2- This feature I was excited about. Tiffin has incorporated a new slide out design for the slide rooms on the Bus and Zephyr models. The slide rooms are one piece molded. No side, top or bottom seams. Nothing to require a trim piece to screw on and cover the mating surfaces. That means no possibility of leaks or screws backing out over time. Hopefully it will catch on in other models and manufacturers.

#3- This is a front bay on the passenger side. I got this bay back because of the all electric coach. The standard use for it was to put a slide tray in it with a basement freezer. For us the extra freezer was useless, the refer inside is plenty. I did like the slide out tray though, and ordered and  put one in. It is used to hold our workout equipment (weights) and the space above became a shelf for my power tools.

#4- The tray extends  out to just past the slide out, and is rated to hold 200+ pounds at full extension. And it does! Diane's has her own weights which are not in the tray in the pic.

#5- The next bay is the first of 2 full size slide out trays. The tool box in the tray is a new add. With the freed up space with the use of the shelf's allowed me to add a few goodies like this.

#6-  You can also see the added shelf at the top left. It holds the camping rug, a full 8X20. All the shelf's are from HD and hung with a combination of 1/4" flat iron stock in the rear, and jack chain in the front. They are rubber coated, and cut to size with a jig saw and metal blade. A 20" X 72" shelf is about $20. This shelf couldn't be any wider. Right next to it at the top of the pic is the sub woofer for the outside TV sound bar.

#7- The bay next door is not as organized yet. Some of the stuff with get squared away, and some with get thrown out.  The full size shelf in this bay is for my zero gravity recliner. I love the chair, but it takes up a huge amount of room sitting in a slide tray. Also my 7' folding ladder is mounted to the back wall just above the slide tray. I used three 4" "L" brackets to hold it up.

#8- Another unorganized bay. No shelf in this bay as it's deep and narrow, but a great place to store my gray sewer tote, and 20" box fan. (Yep, I caved in and bought one for the extended time period spent in the deep south in summer).

#9- And then another mechanical bay. On the right is the big HWH hydraulic pump that runs the jacks and front slides. And yep, the reservoir for the pump is behind it. Checking it is a real PITA, but doable. On the left is another cool feature. To drain the ping air tanks in my Phaeton required an awing rod and fishing around in back of the front wheels. Here Tiffin just added drain cocks with handles. The top one is a customer use air supply fitting for attaching air hose. Good for adding air to those big 315X80X22.5 tires.

#10- This is the last bay on the passenger side. Another dedicated chassis bay with the chassis batteries, various relays, breakers, and fuses all plainly labeled. I love being able to identify a circuit or fuse block without having to search for a page in a manual.

More outside tour to come!
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