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Question About Drones
« on: June 24, 2017, 03:48:17 PM »
Many of the RVers I watch own drones for aerial videos of where they are. Looking at them on Amazon and Ebay I see there is a wide range of prices. Can somebody tell me what I should expect to pay for a descent quality drone? I want to avoid getting something that doesn't take quality videos or still images. Thank you in advance.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2017, 06:42:39 PM »
This could be a long post as there is a lot of information to learn, there are FAA rules now on UAS (Unmanned Aerial System) is the official designation which covers airplanes, helicopters, and Quadcopters and anything that has not been designed yet. To simplify this you will most likely be non-commercial so the rules are simpler but the one biggest issue to all is Airspace. I'll post link below for the rules. What people don't understand is these are not toys and can do quite a bit of damage to person and property, yes they are fun.

To answer your question, which is the best will be different for everyone but the best to date that I have experience with is this one (no I do not have one at the moment),   http://store.dji.com/product/mavic-pro   The flight controller uses your phone and has auto everything, yes it is expensive but it also solves the airspace problem as if you are in a restricted area it will not launch and notify you of the problem, It has to updated on a schedule they provide or it won't fly so pretty much will cover you on airspace. By the way, Sams Club has these for sale, might be a couple of bucks less.

Here is the reference material:  https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsId=20516

Non commercial:  https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2017, 07:00:15 PM »
Buy a cheap one. Drones are a good target for many people. Fly over their house and a BB gun can take them out pretty easy. Police don't seem to spend a lot of time looking for the shooter and I don't blame them.

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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2017, 07:24:45 PM »
Buy a cheap one. Drones are a good target for many people. Fly over their house and a BB gun can take them out pretty easy. Police don't seem to spend a lot of time looking for the shooter and I don't blame them.

I'm not supporting anyone doing anything nefarious, but this is actually a federal offense.  If I were operating one (I don't have one) and I wasn't doing anything but flying it around legally, and it was shot down, my call would be to the FBI. 

At the moment, they're still considered aircraft, and shooting at an aircraft, manned or not, is a federal offense. 
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2017, 07:36:04 PM »
Ya, I guess they didn't get the memo. Drones were big for a little while here until people started to shoot their $1,000 toys out of the sky. Now? No more drones. If I had someone flying over my place and hovering I would sit back in my Lazy Boy, open the slider and a few shots with my Beeman and bye bye drone.

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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2017, 07:59:45 PM »
Not exactly the arguement I was expecting. I want something to send up over landscapes I'm camping at to give shots of where I'm staying. lol. I can't pay $1000 for one but would be leary of a $20 one.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2017, 08:03:24 PM »
Not exactly the arguement I was expecting. I want something to send up over landscapes I'm camping at to give shots of where I'm staying. lol. I can't pay $1000 for one but would be leary of a $20 one.

A very very cheap one would do fine. They ALL have high quality cameras in them. Your flight time may only be 12 minutes with a cheap one but other then that it will do the job. My buddy paid $89 for his and it's pretty cool

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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2017, 08:06:35 PM »
Also be aware along with the other rules, that a number of state and federal parks do not allow drone use.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2017, 08:08:30 PM »
I seriously considered the Phantom 3 (about $500), however now that the new regs went in to place I wouldn't be able to fly in 100% of the federal parks and a fair number of state parks. My interest was take it out, launch, take pictures, put it away. At the moment can't justify it if I can't fly it half the time.

I tried a lesser expensive one and it took pretty good pictures and video, but it was a bear to fly and batteries only lasted about 7 minutes. Sold it on eBay about a week after I bought it.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2017, 09:51:38 PM »
A friend gave me a $90 drone for a gift.  It took quite of bit of practice to get it to fly and was very difficult to keep in trim.  I eventually got reasonably good with it and even captured some video, but it was virtually impossible to fly with any wind.  I had it up at about 150 ft near my home when a gust of wind took it into a tree and all the control that I applied couldn't stop it from being treed.  That was the last I saw of that drone.  The next big windstorm took it somewhere. 

I saw a $900 drone, perhaps the same one as in the link, being flown where I was camping and was quite impressed at how stable it was hands free and how well stabilized the camera remained.  It also returned almost exactly to the center of the landing target hands free.

Anyone who owns a drone to be extra sensitive to where it is being flown.  I found it very annoying to find one hovering over me on a golf course.  It is great that this unit keeps track of forbidden airspace, but still a user needs to think clearly about other places it has no business flying.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2017, 07:50:12 AM »
I may not be popular with this opinion, but I just hate these things! They have an annoying whine and they are very distracting to people around them. They were banned from National Parks and many State Parks because people were disturbing animals and buzzing hikers. Right now there is a fire in a populated canyon near me, and at least one idiot was flying a drone to get pictures, thereby keeping fire retardant and water aircraft from flying to the area (another thing against the law).
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2017, 02:40:24 PM »
A friend gave me a $90 drone for a gift.  It took quite of bit of practice to get it to fly and was very difficult to keep in trim.  I eventually got reasonably good with it and even captured some video, but it was virtually impossible to fly with any wind.  I had it up at about 150 ft near my home when a gust of wind took it into a tree and all the control that I applied couldn't stop it from being treed.  That was the last I saw of that drone.  The next big windstorm took it somewhere. 

I saw a $900 drone, perhaps the same one as in the link, being flown where I was camping and was quite impressed at how stable it was hands free and how well stabilized the camera remained.  It also returned almost exactly to the center of the landing target hands free.

Anyone who owns a drone to be extra sensitive to where it is being flown.  I found it very annoying to find one hovering over me on a golf course.  It is great that this unit keeps track of forbidden airspace, but still a user needs to think clearly about other places it has no business flying.

My kids have some toy versions.  The best probably a little step below your $90 one.  The worst maybe two steps down.  Yes, nearly impossible to get usable point of view video or photos.  The cheaper ones end up lost quick.  Fun to goof around with though.
I know a couple folks with DJI quads very stable and quite fun to get a different perspective.

As an inactive cessna pilot, I would love to get one....not so much to take photos, but to get my fix every now and then of the view from above.  I think I might really enjoy some casual drone racing too.....
I'm afraid though my options would be very limited since most public places I go would either be off limits, or I would be concerned about attracting yet more attention to the hobby from those folks out there with negative bitter perspectives of it. 

I'll admit that the first time the kids came running in to report that some unknown neighbor was flying a quad around the yard....but that was only because they pulled my leg saying that it was flying low enough to touch it.....like window level  My reaction to that was get a bat or a BB gun.... but when they fessed up that they were kidding and when I went outside and saw it hovering maybe 150-200 ft above my head....who cares.  No big deal, not hurting anyone and all in good fun.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2017, 06:15:23 PM »
To capture quality video with a drone, you really need to spend around $1000. Thats the price point where they are stable, reliable in various wind conditions, and capture decent video quality for 1080P HD playback. Buying one used you could get away with only spending around $500-$750, but less that, well, you get what you pay forÖ

As with anything, there will always be the few people that do what they want regardless of the laws. Anyone flying a drone responsibility will largely go unnoticed in the air. If they are flying illegally or for unsavory purposes, nail them to the wall and set them on fire :)

But donít assume just because they are flying a drone its for spying on people, they are peeping toms, or doing something nefarious. We donít assume everyone driving a car is doing so drunk, gun owners are all serial killers, etc. Most drone owners are photographers creating beautiful videos for their enjoyment and that of others. Many others are technology hobbyists having fun learning new technologies. Or some just like the act and science of flight.

So yea, if they are hovering 20í over your house, thats one thing. But if they are 50í up and passing by, or circling to capture a panoramic view of the area, whats the harm. Besides, homeowners have no say in the airspace over their homes over the highest tree top. Typically the courts use 82í based on a previous lawsuit court decision. Above that is the FAAs playground.

Also consider that a drone around 50-100í in the air with their wide angle camera lenses, people show up as small dots in the video. They donít have high power zoom lenses to zoom in on people. Those drones are far more expensive, much larger, and very noticeable.

If we want people to be supportive of our hobbies, we need to be supportive of theirs as well. We need to coexist.

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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2017, 08:48:55 AM »
I may not be popular with this opinion, but I just hate these things! They have an annoying whine and they are very distracting to people around them. They were banned from National Parks and many State Parks because people were disturbing animals and buzzing hikers. Right now there is a fire in a populated canyon near me, and at least one idiot was flying a drone to get pictures, thereby keeping fire retardant and water aircraft from flying to the area (another thing against the law).

I think this is a very popular opinion -we are at a quiet campground and got to listen to one for 20 minutes, it was loud and annoying. when we are hiking I don't want to hear them either. 
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2017, 09:01:36 AM »
I'm not supporting anyone doing anything nefarious, but this is actually a federal offense.  If I were operating one (I don't have one) and I wasn't doing anything but flying it around legally, and it was shot down, my call would be to the FBI. At the moment, they're still considered aircraft, and shooting at an aircraft, manned or not, is a federal offense.

Probably better off calling the FAA as they have jurisdiction over anything in the air at a certain height. It probably isn't a federal crime that the FBI would be involved unless certain aspects warranted. Local law enforcement would be my first choice.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2017, 09:37:22 AM »
I think this is a very popular opinion -we are at a quiet campground and got to listen to one for 20 minutes, it was loud and annoying. when we are hiking I don't want to hear them either.

Amazon drone delivery is currently very heavily funded and will be a reality far sooner than most people can imagine.  If you find this sound annoying I am afraid that you will be even unhappier in the not too distant future when you begin seeing these heftier version of drones showing up in your neighborhood.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2017, 09:43:05 AM »
Amazon drone delivery is currently very heavily funded and will be a reality far sooner than most people can imagine.  If you find this sound annoying I am afraid that you will be even unhappier in the not too distant future when you begin seeing these heftier version of drones showing up in your neighborhood.

was referring to campgrounds..................
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2017, 10:07:10 AM »
was referring to campgrounds..................

Yes SMR, I understood your point, especially for national parks and campground in very peaceful locations, but with a 4-12 hr delivery time let's see if they won't be delivering to campgrounds that are closer to populated areas.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2017, 11:57:32 AM »
I work in Norwood, MA and I'm pretty sure we will be an ideal candidate for drone delivery from Amazon. We are 7 miles from a major Amazon distribution center. Just about everything I get at work and at home in NH comes from there.

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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2017, 06:51:50 PM »
There was a piece on the national news tonight about the problems with amateur drones flying in emergency no fly zones, such as those over forest fires, keeping emergency aircraft grounded. As I recall, they mentioned there were about 50 such incidents in the past two years alone. At least one drone owner was identified and served 30 days in jail for it.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2017, 12:43:08 AM »
for $1000 you can buy a really nice "toy". more or less ok will be around $300.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2017, 06:45:27 AM »
A friend has one for his kid, paid less than a couple hundred for it. He said it locks on to a few satellites so it will not be affected by the wind, or if it does get blown in a gust, it will return to its position and hold if you elect to have it do that. It sounds pretty cool they are on EBay. I'm sure for less than 200 bux you can get a pretty darn good one. A person to ask would be the videoographers that use them. Maybe call a local photography place and ask them thoughts.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2017, 03:50:40 PM »
I have a dji Phantom 4.  Nice "toy".  I fly it for fun and for helping out friends identify problems on roofs or other structures.  Very usful and it is definitly fun to fly. I think you can get a Phantom III at a reasonable price and it is easy to fly.   "got to pay to play"!  8)
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2017, 09:51:07 PM »
I use a phantom lll professional in my video's it's a DJI product and can be picked up on EBay for a good price 700-1000
My RV show G & R Travels has a lot of drone footage in it, you can see it below if you like. Good luck in your search.:)

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Re: Question About Drones
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2017, 07:24:38 PM »
No need to go and buy a Phantom 3 or 4.
There are drones out there for less than 200.00
Like the Hubsan that is GPS supported FPV (first person view) thru the camera and RTH return to home . I have a Phantom P3 and P4 and a few hubsan. I like my hubsan doesn't take a lot to fly and will stay in position to take those videos.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2017, 09:01:03 AM »
The problem with those things is that people misuse them ALL the time.

A couple of years ago, I was in the middle of a river fishing one time and I kept hearing this whirring sound, something I had never heard in my life. Then I looked up and there was this quadcopter drone sitting overhead and "watching" me cast flies.  Man! Talk about an invasion of privacy!

I looked around and saw the guy with the controls on the bank about 100 yards way from where I was. I didn't say anything but that pretty much formed my opinion of those things. They may be fun but they can be really intrusive. Really, there's no place one can be 100% sure he's not being watched.

Now the cops are using them all over. "Big Brother" is watching you now.....for REAL!
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2017, 09:24:23 AM »
if it has a GPS guidance capability then it likely also has an FAA GEO blocking feature.  So it can't fly in restricted airspace, 5 miles away from Airports, government facilities, Disneyland  etc.

the no-Fly zones are programmable, so if the FAA wants they can be blocked from any area on command.  Law enforcement units are exempt.
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Re: Question About Drones
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2017, 09:31:57 AM »
No need to go and buy a Phantom 3 or 4.
There are drones out there for less than 200.00
Like the Hubsan that is GPS supported FPV (first person view) thru the camera and RTH return to home . I have a Phantom P3 and P4 and a few hubsan. I like my hubsan doesn't take a lot to fly and will stay in position to take those videos.


Which model Hubsan do you have? I would like a drone for basic landscape and scenery photos, doubt I would ever shoot video. Iíd like one thatís fully stabilized and very simple to fly so I can take it out, take the shot and put it away. I had a cheap one that actually took pretty good pictures but wasnít stabilized so was very difficult to fly.


Iíve had a P3 on my wish list for a year but just canít justify the price for very occasional use.
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