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Re: What's the latest best way to get DirectTV
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2017, 12:47:55 PM »
SWMBO rules ;D

What is DW and SWMBO? 
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Re: What's the latest best way to get DirectTV
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2017, 01:22:03 PM »
OK, try it and find out but.... (By the way (BTW)... set top box = receiver I referred to in my note above...)

 But the problem lies in feeding the satellite signal to each of the 3 receivers with the signal from that one little dish.  That is what the RF splitter  BobandSam was showing you does. You cannot just simply split that wire between the 3 receiver inputs using a normal splitters. I would be very surprised if the type he showed was installed as I believe they are very specific to either Dish or Direct systems. You should not need to rip the RV apart but it will take some study to figure out how to wire everything together with what is actually installed in your RV.

DW= Dear Wife, SWMBO= She Who Must Be Obeyed, same thing in many cases :-\

OTA is "Over The Air", the good old antenna system. You may also have a "box of many buttons" or BOMB, AKA a signal source selection box, with which you can select either a satellite, cable or antenna input for each TV. Also, you will likely have a small power supply that is used in conjunction with the antenna, if you have one, and it is turned On for "antenna" and Off for cable.
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« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2017, 02:30:45 PM »
OTA is "Over-The-Air" or antenna.
Most prewired coaches route the satellite connection to "Some place inside" where you hook up your satellite equipment including antenna power supply, splitter and receiver equipment. Receiver hooks up to a TV or TVS if you have HDMI splitter and HDMI Wiring to other coach TVs. Other option is preempt (move) antenna coax from another TV to the satellite splitter and put another receiver at that location. If you need to do this you will have to reconnect to original if you want to watch OTA stuff. Some people use RF switches to move back an forth.
So connections would be antenna to coach connection to sat pwr supply to splitter to sat receiver to TV for one TV. Additional TVS from splitter to receiver to TV.
No need to feel screwed...most of us have "been there, got the tshirt".
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Oh Stu said all this
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« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2017, 02:34:37 PM »
What is DW and SWMBO?
SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed
DW = Dear/Darn/D@#n Wife ;D .

Oh Stu said all this also.
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« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2017, 02:43:01 PM »
And box of many buttons is sometimes written BOMB.
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Re: What's the latest best way to get DirectTV
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2017, 02:47:48 PM »
Here is what I have done, started with Direct TV as that is what I have at home,  Standard definition only I did not want to pay for an HD antenna and manually tune it, yes I know you can get an automatic but $1500 is out of the question for me. I got tired of setting the antenna up and pointing it I know it is no big deal but sometimes it was. I switched to Dish Network, got a Tailgater and pay monthly, no you do not need a mounted antenna to do month to month. I only use 1 TV in the FW.
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« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2017, 02:54:15 PM »
I have no idea what OTA is.  But I have two hookups, one for park cable and one for satellite. It's a 2016 RV pre-wired for satellite. I have no capability of routing new cables to the TVs.  If I have to do that, I'm sunk.  I would have to rip the RV apart, and I can't even get access to the back of the main TV in the living room.

When I had cable TV hooked up, the installer disconnected the TV coax from the wall outlet and connected to the cable box.  In the two bedrooms he was able to connect HDMI to the TVs, but in the living room he couldn't access it, so he put the cable box in series with the TV coaxial input.

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OTA is "Over The Air"... which you receive with an antenna like the Winegard "batwing" OTA antenna:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/professor95/Wingmandirection.jpg

Although I have a Kingdome on my coach and I pay DirecTV  for programing, (and for DNS), I get local channels nearly everywhere OTA.
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« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2017, 03:37:30 PM »
OTA = Over-the-Air or what we used to call Through-the-Air.  Those are the local channels you sometimes get via your old crank-up TV antenna like we used to have in the days before satellite and cable TV.  In our motorhome we get OTA, satellite, and cable TV channels.  We've had DirecTV for years.  The old round dish antennas work with Standard Definition satellite channels, but if you want High Definition TV those are on different satellite channels and you have to upgrade to a larger oval dish that can skew to different angles in the sky in order to point to the appropriate satellite.  It's been an evolving process that changes because the channel providers like DirecTV and Dish sometimes change what channels are on a satellite.

We started many years ago with a round dish we put on the ground or a picnic table.  Eventually we upgraded to a Motosat roof-mounted dish that was automated.  About the time Motosat disappeared our dish started having problems.  Our latest upgrade was to the RF Mogul roof-mounted automatic dish for DirecTV's high definition channels.  They have a different one for Dish for its different skewing.  The beauty of this one is that you press Find to find the correct satellite or you press Stow to make the dish go down.  There are other things in the box but those are the two most important functions.  When you press Find the dish rises, turns in a circular motion, and then starts angling or skewing to find the correct place in the sky.

Regarding the local channels I said earlier that you can "sometimes" get them OTA (depending on your location), via cable TV, or via satellite if you sign up for them.  If local channels are received via satellite they're in a "spot beam" which is a narrow area in which you can see them.  When you move out of the spot beam, which can cover a couple of hundred miles (for example from Salt Lake City to Phoenix or Las Vegas to Yuma), you lose the local channels you see via satellite.  You also can sign up for the Distant Network Channels which are the major networks in New York (east coast) and Los Angeles (west coast).  The Mississippi River is roughly the dividing line between the east/west channels.  When you go from one half of the country to the other, you have to talk to the provider so they know you have changed Locations (not your billing address).

I haven't kept up with the complexities of ordering channels from either DirecTV or Dish, but a lot of it has been determined by court cases.  For example when we first got DirecTV many years ago we got L.A., San Francisco and San Diego on the west coast and N.Y., Washington, and I think Atlanta on the east coast.  One morning we watched our channels and that night they were all gone!  In order to get them back we had to have a notarized paper stating that this set was on an RV and was mobile.  That was a scramble because we were at Rocky Mountain National Park and had to find a notary and mail the paperwork.  That hassle was caused when a law suit was settled that had to do with a concept called "equal access" which then allowed RVers to have satellite TV.  Back then you weren't allowed to have satellite if you had cable.  In other words, there was no competition!  A few years ago there was another event that caused the providers to split access between the east and west coasts.

I hope this helps clarify some of the answers you've gotten to your questions and not muddied things further!

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Re: What's the latest best way to get DirectTV
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2017, 04:04:29 PM »
The Mississippi River is roughly the dividing line between the east/west channels.  When you go from one half of the country to the other, you have to talk to the provider so they know you have changed Locations (not your billing address).
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Great history lesson.
One minor thing...I don't think dividing line for E/W is ole muddy. I think it approximates Central an Mountain time zones. I am over 400 miles west of Mississippi and get East coast feeds.
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Re: What's the latest best way to get DirectTV
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2017, 08:50:45 PM »
Bruce
OTA is "Over The Air"... which you receive with an antenna like the Winegard "batwing" OTA antenna:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/professor95/Wingmandirection.jpg

Although I have a Kingdome on my coach and I pay DirecTV  for programing, (and for DNS), I get local channels nearly everywhere OTA.

My OTA antenna has never worked.  I took delivery of my trailer in January 2016, I have tried many times to make it work with no luck.  The RV park we are in now has an OTA antenna on a 50' tower but only connected to six sites.  I was in one of those for a month, but they kicked me out for using too much water.  Now I am in a site with NO TV, so I went and bought an OTA antenna at Best Buy, but no dice. Doesn't work. 

Took it back.  Went to AT&T, they sold me DirecTV Now which works streaming, but I got home and they didn't include an HTMI cable so I can't use it. 

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Re: What's the latest best way to get DirectTV
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2017, 08:53:55 PM »
SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed
DW = Dear/Darn/D@#n Wife ;D .

Oh Stu said all this also.

Is the wife Bob or Sam?  I'm confused.
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Re: What's the latest best way to get DirectTV
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2017, 08:58:21 PM »
Here's the latest.

I went to Best Buy, AT&T twice and Camping World.

I returned the OTA antenna at Best Buy and the tripod at camping world.  They sell mostly Dish, but didn't have a Dish antenna, well not a  dish Dish, only the portably carry out that only handles two TVs.

AT&T sold me DirecTV now that works with the internet connection, no antenna needed.  They have a device that connects to the TV with an HDMI cable.  I bought two.  got home and no cable's included.  It's 80 miles round trip to the store. 

I was really, really pissed off. I don't mind paying extra for the cable but TELL me I need to buy a cable when I buy the boxes!

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Re: What's the latest best way to get DirectTV
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2017, 09:25:50 PM »
Is the wife Bob or Sam?  I'm confused.
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« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2017, 10:56:35 PM »
SAM. What's confusing about that?

I thought Bob and Sam were both guy's names.  That's all.  It's easy to be confused in this strange new world.  Sorry.

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« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2017, 07:38:59 AM »
I thought Bob and Sam were both guy's names.  That's all.  It's easy to be confused in this strange new world.  Sorry.

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« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2017, 08:54:13 AM »
OTA = Over-the-Air or what we used to call Through-the-Air.  Those are the local channels you sometimes get via your old crank-up TV antenna like we used to have in the days before satellite and cable TV.  In our motorhome we get OTA, satellite, and cable TV channels.  We've had DirecTV for years.  The old round dish antennas work with Standard Definition satellite channels, but if you want High Definition TV those are on different satellite channels and you have to upgrade to a larger oval dish that can skew to different angles in the sky in order to point to the appropriate satellite.  It's been an evolving process that changes because the channel providers like DirecTV and Dish sometimes change what channels are on a satellite.

We started many years ago with a round dish we put on the ground or a picnic table.  Eventually we upgraded to a Motosat roof-mounted dish that was automated.  About the time Motosat disappeared our dish started having problems.  Our latest upgrade was to the RF Mogul roof-mounted automatic dish for DirecTV's high definition channels.  They have a different one for Dish for its different skewing.  The beauty of this one is that you press Find to find the correct satellite or you press Stow to make the dish go down.  There are other things in the box but those are the two most important functions.  When you press Find the dish rises, turns in a circular motion, and then starts angling or skewing to find the correct place in the sky.

Regarding the local channels I said earlier that you can "sometimes" get them OTA (depending on your location), via cable TV, or via satellite if you sign up for them.  If local channels are received via satellite they're in a "spot beam" which is a narrow area in which you can see them.  When you move out of the spot beam, which can cover a couple of hundred miles (for example from Salt Lake City to Phoenix or Las Vegas to Yuma), you lose the local channels you see via satellite.  You also can sign up for the Distant Network Channels which are the major networks in New York (east coast) and Los Angeles (west coast).  The Mississippi River is roughly the dividing line between the east/west channels.  When you go from one half of the country to the other, you have to talk to the provider so they know you have changed Locations (not your billing address).

I haven't kept up with the complexities of ordering channels from either DirecTV or Dish, but a lot of it has been determined by court cases.  For example when we first got DirecTV many years ago we got L.A., San Francisco and San Diego on the west coast and N.Y., Washington, and I think Atlanta on the east coast.  One morning we watched our channels and that night they were all gone!  In order to get them back we had to have a notarized paper stating that this set was on an RV and was mobile.  That was a scramble because we were at Rocky Mountain National Park and had to find a notary and mail the paperwork.  That hassle was caused when a law suit was settled that had to do with a concept called "equal access" which then allowed RVers to have satellite TV.  Back then you weren't allowed to have satellite if you had cable.  In other words, there was no competition!  A few years ago there was another event that caused the providers to split access between the east and west coasts.

I hope this helps clarify some of the answers you've gotten to your questions and not muddied things further!

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That is a excellent explanation.

However I believe you must change your "billing address" to change the DirecTV DNS service from east to west, (or from west to east).... you can't simply contact DirectTV and request that change.

BTW I get both the east DNS feeds and the west DNS feeds because I had both when the rule changed and I was "grandfathered" in.

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« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2017, 11:36:26 AM »
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I don't mind paying extra for the cable but TELL me I need to buy a cable when I buy the boxes!

For an HDMI cable, you can buy them at ANY store that sells TV etc, even Walmart!! Hope they didn't charge you for the ones you expected but did not get. No need to travel 80 miles in most cases.
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« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2017, 04:23:37 PM »
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BTW I get both the east DNS feeds and the west DNS feeds because I had both when the rule changed and I was "grandfathered" in.

Yes, we also were grandfathered in because of that notarized piece of paper we filled out many years ago, about 1997.  Jerry usually handles the DirecTV "stuff" so that's why I don't know much about the "new" east/west dividing line.

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« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2017, 04:54:38 PM »
So, Jerry is useful for something 8) .
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« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2017, 05:58:14 PM »
Oh, yes.  Lots of things in fact.  ;D ::) ;D

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« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2017, 06:31:02 PM »
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So, Jerry is useful for something

Check out 'Jerry Fitzgerald' on google, and you'll find he's the original internet security guru. Ardra was his technical writer, responsible for many of Jerry's publications, including books that are used by college students to this day.
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« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2017, 06:43:11 PM »
Blushing red, Tom!!!  He was the brain who got the ideas flowing, I was the wordsmith, and we had wonderful editors who put up with both of us!!  One was a really nice lady by the name of Priscilla who did pretty well at controlling us both through several editions.  Her favorite word was "arduous" and I still think of her every time I hear it.  It takes a lot of dedicated people doing many arduous tasks to write college textbooks, so we didn't do it alone - but, thank you for the really nice compliment.

By the way, DirecTV and Dish didn't even exist then!

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« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2017, 07:07:26 PM »
To Ardra and Jerry:   Thank you both for all you have contributed to this forum over so many years.   :)) :)) :))

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To Ardra and Jerry:   Thank you both for all you have contributed to this forum over so many years.   :)) :)) :))
Amen and proud to "meet" you. Tom thanks for properly introducing Jerry and Ardra!
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« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2017, 10:41:08 PM »
For an HDMI cable, you can buy them at ANY store that sells TV etc, even Walmart!! Hope they didn't charge you for the ones you expected but did not get. No need to travel 80 miles in most cases.

That is unless you are in the boonies.  I'm working a 10 hour shift on a mountain top that doesn't even have cellular coverage, 30 mile round trip from the RV park to the jobsite, and the last 6 miles is gravel.  Then when I get home, it is another 30 miles one way to the nearest store, Best Buy which is next door to the AT&T store where I got the devices. The nearest Walmart is closer to 35 or 40 miles away. So it's either order on line or wait until the weekend.  However I can watch TV on m phone or computer in the meanwhile. 
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« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2017, 07:30:24 AM »
Bruce satellite signals needs a power source for signal generation that most splitters cannot handle. Also most newer boxes generate the signal from the box to the TV (s) as an HDMI or composite signal, not over coax.

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« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2017, 02:19:44 PM »
Thank you, Margi and BobNSam.  And, Margi, right back at you because you've been around here as long as us!  I really value our framily and the many good times we've shared.

And now back to DirecTV....

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... a really nice lady by the name of Priscilla who did pretty well at controlling us both through several editions.

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« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2017, 04:48:48 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D :)) Yes, Tom, my Energizer Bunny doesn't control very well!

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« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2017, 10:36:19 PM »
The thing with that splitter is the power pass. Both companies will insist on all RG6 wire and components but as an ex DirecTV and Dish network installer the way I handled RVs with DirecTV was on a temp pad of some sort tripod, pallet, metal frame with blocks, etc. just about anything I could mount the dish itself on run wire to camper and either put my power inserter under or in a storage area with a power plug then continue to outside cable/satellite hookup to distribute throughout the trailer itself and receivers at each tv location. Normal install is putting the power inserter at the main receiver inside and many do not know any better and that is the point of the splitter with power pass, to pass power back to the dish as it has to be on that specific line on the splitter. By putting it before you bypass that issue.

Done this many many times on brand new campers as well as campers almost as old as I am without issues. People will argue otherwise but from experience I can tell you it works. The hardest part when moving from site to site is before you setup anything be sure the mount is absolutely plumb and level, then set dish skew(twist) and elevation to the required setting for the area you are in, then peak the dish in and you are good to go. I make no promises but it does work.

Better yet chase down one of those trucks and talk to the driver, with a few dollars offered they may just take care of you now and whenever in the area. I haven't done this work for a few years and still get calls when old customers come back to the area.

 

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