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Canadian ticket
« on: July 23, 2017, 11:34:09 PM »
I got a ticket for seat belt violation just after I crossed the border into British Columbia. My question is  "What will happen if I do not pay it?"  I do not plan on going into BC again. Is there any reciprocity between Canada and the US on traffic  related offences? Can a hold be put on my South Dakota license?
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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2017, 12:19:54 AM »
Is there any reciprocity between Canada and the US on traffic  related offences?

Nope, none at all.

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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2017, 07:15:23 AM »
     I pay all US tickets, moving or parking as it may create a problem down the road crossing the border.  In today's digital age it is too easy for them to bring it up and refuse entry.  I know people who have been permanently banned for a DUI with a reading of .08

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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2017, 07:22:32 AM »
I got a ticket for seat belt violation just after I crossed the border into British Columbia. My question is  "What will happen if I do not pay it?"  I do not plan on going into BC again. Is there any reciprocity between Canada and the US on traffic  related offences? Can a hold be put on my South Dakota license?

How much is it?
What if down the road you want to go into Ontario or Nova Scotia. You most likely won't be able to. I had a co-worker who was in his 60's tried to enter Canada for work. He had a dui offense back in the 60's in the US. They had a record of that and they would not let him in.  If it was me, I'd pay the fine.
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2017, 07:27:29 AM »
Do they still have that border crossing where it's just a video camera and no real person?

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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2017, 07:53:09 AM »
It depends on the state who issued your license...I believe almost all the Northern states reciprocate and you will find this unpaid ticket on your file when you go to renew. It definitely works in reverse and why Canadians do the decent thing and pay their tickets.

P.S. unless BC is different from Ontario and Quebec there is usually a huge billboard at the border telling you to wear you seat belt...so this is your fault.


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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2017, 09:34:50 AM »
The fine is  $167. It was the crossing at Blaine on Interstate 5. I am not denying fault. It was justified ticket written by a polite highway patrolman  who was sitting in the median less than a mile from the border.

Without trying to be political, I do not wear the seat belt at all. I dislike a "Nanny state" forcing me to wear it, be it Canadian or American. I guess it is time to pay for my political beliefs.
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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2017, 09:44:20 AM »
I was curious about this so did a little research and as others have said, there IS reciprocity with some border states so may or may not apply in SD.

I guess it is time to pay for my political beliefs.

Or you could really take a stand and become a wanted international fugitive  ;) ;D
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2017, 10:04:09 AM »
     So Jim does that mean that you have no medical coverage, either Medicare or Private.  Because if you do, then you expect others to pay for your "nanny state" ways.  Here in Canada with Government insurance, we found medical costs dropped significantly when we followed the US by implementing seat belt laws, and differing from most US jurisdictions enforcing the law.  Seat belt use in Canada is almost universal, and as said, injury stats back up the reason for having implemented them.

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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2017, 01:30:55 PM »
My brother failed to pay a ticket he received in Canada. It was reported to Minnesota DMV, and he ended up with points on his license.
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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2017, 01:53:10 PM »
I was sitting here thinking why should someone wear a seatbelt or a MC helmet if they don't want to. Insurance companies should be able to deny coverage if those safety items aren't utilized. Then I thought, who would pay the medical costs if your insurance didn't. I doubt many people have enough cash on hand to pay for a catastrophic injury. So, would the hospital and doctors and others just write it off? If so, why would any of us carry insurance? Just musing on a hot and humid Monday afternoon.
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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2017, 02:50:46 PM »
When I went to renew my DL in Nevada they refused to renew it because of an outstanding $25 ticket I got in Utah. I had to pay it or no license. I cannot imagine anyone not wearing a seat belt. Since I am suppose to be polite I won't say what I am really thinking. :-X
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2017, 03:03:30 PM »
I was sitting here thinking why should someone wear a seatbelt or a MC helmet if they don't want to. Insurance companies should be able to deny coverage if those safety items aren't utilized. Then I thought, who would pay the medical costs if your insurance didn't. I doubt many people have enough cash on hand to pay for a catastrophic injury. So, would the hospital and doctors and others just write it off? If so, why would any of us carry insurance? Just musing on a hot and humid Monday afternoon.

The real question isn't about injuries....it's about your life.  Wearing a seat belt saves thousands of lives per year and if you don't care about being a statistic and seeing your loved ones mourn over your loss, then don't wear one and give a funeral director your business.  I've worn a seat belt ever since they first came into being in the early 1960's and when I got my first car, a 1970 Ford Bronco, in 1974, my parents immediately paid for having a roll bar installed as an extra preventative measure in case it rolled.  I feel naked if I don't have my seat belt fastened.  This isn't about defying big brother and the legislators, its about being safe and taking advantage of the tools and technology given to you.

On the subject matter at hand, back in the early 80's, a buddy of mine and I were driving from Vancouver to Banff and my buddy was stopped and ticketed for speeding.  As my buddy had a Calif license, the officer volunteered that if he was not going to be returning to Canada in the next 3 years, he could avoid paying the fine and the ticket would drop off and disappear.  The fine was never paid and nothing ever happened as a result. 
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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2017, 03:15:15 PM »
The real question isn't about injuries....it's about your life.  Wearing a seat belt saves thousands of lives per year and if you don't care about being a statistic and seeing your loved ones mourn over your loss, then don't wear one and give a funeral director your business.  I've worn a seat belt ever since they first came into being in the early 1960's and when I got my first car, a 1970 Ford Bronco, in 1974, my parents immediately paid for having a roll bar installed as an extra preventative measure in case it rolled.  I feel naked if I don't have my seat belt fastened.  This isn't about defying big brother and the legislators, its about being safe and taking advantage of the tools and technology given to you.

On the subject matter at hand, back in the early 80's, a buddy of mine and I were driving from Vancouver to Banff and my buddy was stopped and ticketed for speeding.  As my buddy had a Calif license, the officer volunteered that if he was not going to be returning to Canada in the next 3 years, he could avoid paying the fine and the ticket would drop off and disappear.  The fine was never paid and nothing ever happened as a result.

I think you missed the context of my post.
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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2017, 03:44:11 PM »

Without trying to be political, I do not wear the seat belt at all. I dislike a "Nanny state" forcing me to wear it, be it Canadian or American. I guess it is time to pay for my political beliefs.
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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2017, 03:54:53 PM »
Maybe you should change your handle from HalfWright to CompletelyWrong. ;)
Who are you to judge?
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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2017, 03:56:47 PM »
 Wearing a seatbelt is not just about safety it's also about control. Back in the 70s I was driving a Pontiac Catalina on I-93 in New Hampshire in a snowstorm. Two little old ladies cut me off so they could take an exit, I hit the brakes and swerved away from them, did a 360 in the middle of the road and slammed into a snowbank. I was not wearing a seatbelt. When I hit the breaks and started to spin I flew out of my seat and slammed into the passenger side door and couldn't move. I had no control over my car once it started to spin. I've worn a seatbelt ever since.
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2017, 04:09:14 PM »
Wearing a seatbelt is not just about safety it's also about control. Back in the 70s I was driving a Pontiac Catalina on I-93 in New Hampshire in a snowstorm. Two little old ladies cut me off so they could take an exit, I hit the brakes and swerved away from them, did a 360 in the middle of the road and slammed into a snowbank. I was not wearing a seatbelt. When I hit the breaks and started to spin I flew out of my seat and slammed into the passenger side door and couldn't move. I had no control over my car once it started to spin. I've worn a seatbelt ever since.
I also where a seatbelt always. However, I remain slow to judge others.
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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2017, 05:03:49 PM »
Are school kids on the bus safer without belts? I don't know but someone would need to explain that one to me.

For the most part, yes, they are. You can't compare school bus accident injuries to passenger cars. Vehicle construction and seating is totally different, as is the type of accidents normally encountered. It is estimated that more kids would be injured getting in and out of the belts, plus the little monsters that would use the belts and buckle as weapons, than the injuries the seat belts would prevent.
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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2017, 05:48:51 PM »
Protest Pay the ticket,   ship them a box of 16,700 U.S. Pennys ...  Canadian's have a great sense of humor  8)
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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2017, 07:05:52 PM »
Almost as many strong opinions about this as there are about toilet paper. I thought I would be allowed to choose not to use a seat belt without being personally attacked. I see I was completely wrong.
If you really want their advice ...  Tell them you let people use the restroom or lay down on the bed in a moving motorhome. 

and,   The Home run of unwanted advice ....tell them you like to ride a motorcycle without a helmet.
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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2017, 07:36:16 PM »
I do not wear gloves when i drain the waste water tanks . I also have been seen drinking from a garden hose and running with scissors.
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« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2017, 08:05:03 PM »
I do not wear gloves when i drain the waste water tanks . I also have been seen drinking from a garden hose and running with scissors.

I read that wrong the first time (I have been into the scotch tonight). I, at first glance, thought you said you drank from the waste water tanks and did not wear gloves while running with scissors while drinking from a garden hose. I guess I was halfwright.
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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2017, 08:07:26 PM »
I do not wear gloves when i drain the waste water tanks . I also have been seen drinking from a garden hose and running with scissors.
Oh no, not running with scissors!! ;)
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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2017, 08:32:17 PM »
OK, not really running. Would you believe a high speed hobble?
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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2017, 08:33:06 PM »
Well at least we can keep a sense of humor about it. One thing we all still have is free will. Make your own decisions, and whatever the consequences are, those are yours to keep too.  No name calling though, this is not the place.
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« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2017, 08:48:02 PM »
Protest Pay the ticket,   ship them a box of 16,700 U.S. Pennys ...  Canadian's have a great sense of humor  8)
We sure do. Especially since we no longer use pennys, and the Canadian dollar is worth about 75 cents US. That would mean you would be paying about forty or more dollars more than the fine was to start with. As far as wearing seat belts, I have worn them ever since they started putting air bags in vehicles. I dont want to get killed by a stupid air bag blowing up in a minor fender bender.

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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2017, 08:59:29 PM »
Well at least we can keep a sense of humor about it. One thing we all still have is free will. Make your own decisions, and whatever the consequences are, those are yours to keep too.  No name calling though, this is not the place.
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« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2017, 01:08:34 AM »
As far as wearing seat belts,  I have worn them ever since they started putting air bags in vehicles. I dont want to get killed by a stupid air bag blowing up in a minor fender bender.

 why bother with the seat belt ....that Takata airbag is gonna kill you anyway.

I'm glad Class A's don't have airbags... :)

 
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« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2017, 10:12:24 AM »
We sure do. Especially since we no longer use pennys, and the Canadian dollar is worth about 75 cents US. That would mean you would be paying about forty or more dollars more than the fine was to start with.

And since it costs the US Mint more than a penny to make a penny not only would the Canadian economy gain over $200 we'd melt down the pennies for the copper at your expense...not exactly a pathway to #MAGA :-)

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« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2017, 10:40:23 AM »
And since it costs the US Mint more than a penny to make a penny not only would the Canadian economy gain over $200 we'd melt down the pennies for the copper at your expense...not exactly a pathway to #MAGA :-)

Most pennies are now made primarily of Zinc. Worth a little over a US dollar per pound.
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« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2017, 02:05:29 PM »
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I don't want to get killed by a stupid air bag blowing up in a minor fender bender.

Our neighbor's car was totaled last week when she was hit broadside by a couple of boys who came out of a driveway very fast.  It was a hit and run, e.g. they jumped out of the car and ran.  But my comment is about the air bag.  She went to the hospital to be checked and fortunately had no serious injuries, but her entire chest from neck to waist was badly bruised from the air bag and she could barely move.  She slept in her recliner the first night because lying on the bed hurt so much.  That's why they recommend you sit farther back (she's short and can't if she wants to reach the pedals) and place your hands where your arms are less likely to be brush burned by an exploding air bag.  Way back when the dinosaurs roamed and we learned to drive, we were taught to place our hands on the steering wheel in the "10 and 2 o'clock position"  but that's been changed.  The new recommended positions are 8 o’clock and 4 o’clock, or slightly higher at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock.

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« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2017, 03:00:00 PM »
pretty sure interpol is scanning this thread....

I remember when they started phasing in the seat belt laws.  I grew up never wearing a belt, and learned to drive never wearing one...well actually I think we had to for the test....not sure.  Anyway, even when they had that time when they could only write warnings, I figured if you can't beat them join them.  I started wearing the belt and haven't looked back.

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« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2017, 05:26:06 PM »
As a Firefighter/EMT who has been responding to car accidents for more than three decades, I can say with absolute certainly that seat belts, air bags and other safely features definitely save lives. We pull up on accident scenes that most likely would have been fatal back in the day, but folks are walking away from them.

We see different types of injuries, such as from air bags or crumble zones. For bikers - helmets and leather are a big factor in reducing injuries.

As to the OP, I would pay the ticket and not have to worry about what the future might bring.
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« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2017, 07:29:45 PM »
 :)) :)) :))   My brother, his son and his daughter-in-law are firefighters with paramedic qualifications.  You are right on with your advice.

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« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2017, 09:54:02 AM »
I can remember back in the day ('60's) when my Boss refused to wear a seat belt. His excuse was that if he were to go through a bridge rail he would be drowned!! We worked for a very vehicle safety oriented company with more than a thousand fleet vehicles that insisted on their use and you could be fired for refusing. Fortunately, AFIK, he was only driving his own personal vehicle at that time and probably not on business.

We had to take company drivers courses, including driving on ice, and be tested and certified by them to use ANY vehicle, including your own, for business purposes. My Canadian Armed Forces experience was very similar and was very vehicle specific.
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« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2017, 01:00:19 PM »
Being most serious automobile injuries are head injuries...I guess our government should also require all of us to wear full face helmets and Hans devices.

and you should always wear your life jacket on a cruise ship...you never know when you're gonna get hit by a giant rogue wave !
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« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2017, 02:03:02 PM »
I learned to drive in pre seat belt days and at first was reluctant to wear it, as Tony says what's next? Mandatory full face helmets? Now I am so used to wearing it I am uncomfortable without especially in an old Jeep with no doors. ;D Plus the damn buzzer won't shut up. To the op, suck it up and pay the piper. It could save you some grief down the road.

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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2017, 11:35:36 PM »
What ticked me off when I got my first car was that people told me it was illegal to install 5 point harnesses in street cars. I feel naked without a seatbelt in a car or the RV. The motorcycle on the other hand.......
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« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2017, 02:07:26 AM »
Ahh... the good ol' days before seat belt laws,  wide bench seats,  big metal dashboards,  drive-in movies. 

 I remember (fondly),    you actually can feel naked without a seat belt. 

  I have kids now, so thank God they require them.
 
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« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2017, 06:18:23 AM »
When someone tells you something like "It is Illegal to install a 5 point harness".. Ask them where it is written, SHOW ME THE LAW...  There is a good chance they can't.  Same for driving barefoot.. Good chance they can't.

One down side to ignoring the ticket.. IF YOU FORGET about it,  and re-=visit Canada..... You may find your visit.... Extrended.
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« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2017, 08:54:17 AM »
When someone tells you something like "It is Illegal to install a 5 point harness".. Ask them where it is written, SHOW ME THE LAW...  There is a good chance they can't.  Same for driving barefoot.. Good chance they can't.

One down side to ignoring the ticket.. IF YOU FORGET about it,  and re-=visit Canada..... You may find your visit.... Extrended.

Many states if not all it's illegal to have a 5 point harness. All seat belts must have a red button single release for paramedics.

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« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2017, 09:46:52 AM »
Many states if not all it's illegal to have a 5 point harness. All seat belts must have a red button single release for paramedics.
I'd like to see that written, somewhere.  What about 5 point child safety seats?  There is absolutely nothing written in the NY Vehicle Traffic and Safety Law about 5 point harnesses.

For the OP ---  Non seatbelt use is Everyone's Problem - Inpatient hospital costs for unbelted crash victims are 50% higher than those for belted victims.  Society pays 85% of those costs, not the crash victims.
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« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2017, 09:49:19 AM »
Ask any doctor, paramedic, or first responder.  They will tell you not wearing a seatbelt is stupid. My son who is a firefighter tells us some really gory stories he sees when he gets to an accident where someone wasn't wearing a seatbelt. My cousin rolled his car not wearing a seatbelt. When you get thrown, you get thrown in front of the rolling car.  He was fortunate. It only crushed both his legs and missed his torso and head as it rolled over him.

You deserved the ticket. Pay it.

You will also have trouble collecting for your injuries in court if you don't wear a seatbelt as the opposing lawyers and insurance company can successfully claim you attributed to your own injuries by not wearing one.
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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2017, 11:59:12 AM »
I'd like to see that written, somewhere.  What about 5 point child safety seats?

They take the whole baby seat which is held in place by the cars belt with the red colored release button.

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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2017, 01:06:22 PM »
The illegal 5 point seatbelt law the Cop is referring to,  is the FED DOT seat belt law that requires all seatbelts used on the highways to be DOT tested/approved and factory installed.

It's one of those laws that under "literal" enforcement can also have negative effects. 

(an example) ...It is technically illegal to retrofit seatbelts into an old car that wasn't equipped with seatbelts from the factory.

Aftermarket parts sometimes clash with the law,  some LEOs enforce the intent of the law, and some enforce the exact wording of the law.
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Re: Canadian ticket
« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2017, 01:20:32 PM »
Many states if not all it's illegal to have a 5 point harness. All seat belts must have a red button single release for paramedics.

But... the 5 point I wanted to use had a large red button right in the center of my chest. Bam! I'm out of it.

I just think the local LEOs didn't want me to feel TOO comfortable with high speed turns and such.
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