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Urban Hillbilly

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Leave No Trace!
« on: August 08, 2017, 09:57:43 AM »
I have recently read about some incidents of how people leave and treat natural areas when camping and RVing. After about 12 years of Scouting involvement with my son going through Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts and becoming an Eagle Scout, it wasn't only him who was learning some great traits, but me as well. One of the best things is to "Leave No Trace". I've included a link to read the whole principle. It's short, but gets the point across. (http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/TeachingLeaveNoTrace/064_principles.aspx), but here's some key points:
1)Travel and Camp on Durable Surfaces, 2)Dispose of Waste Properly (Pack It In, Pack It Out), 3)Sanitation, 4)Leave What You Find, 5)Minimize Site Alterations, 6)Minimize Campfire Impacts, 7)Respect Wildlife, 8)Be Considerate of Other Visitors, 9)Plan Ahead and Prepare.
And if I might add, pick up things others have left behind.
I know most RVer's are considerate of where they go and stay, but unfortunately some think they are still in their backyards. I posted this under Boondocking, but a lot of the same principles can be exercised at regular campgrounds, too.
I'm not trying to "bust" on anyone, but what we have left of our great outdoors belongs to everyone to enjoy.

 
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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2017, 10:14:57 AM »
I think the "be considerate" part is one that often gets lost when thinking leave no trace...  Usually it's thinking from the perspective of "future" visitors to that area.  It also can apply to "present" visitors as well....

For example, a subdued colored tent can be better so as not to destroy the view that others might enjoy in the area....
.. I put it this way.... imagine a beautiful mountain lake scene... nobody around for a thousand miles.....now imagine someone setting up a tent over there on the opposite shoreline... a nice blaze orange tent will work...  boom, just ruined the image, right?
   now change that tent to a olive drab color, or some other more subdued color...so that it nearly disappears....much better, eh?

RV'ers do a similar thing even in campgrounds....with huge lanterns, music blaring, large smokey camp fires, etc...
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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2017, 10:18:58 AM »
Leave no trace? How does one do that in an RV? There are no all electric powered RVs yet, someone tell Elon to hurry up.
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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2017, 10:27:53 AM »
Good points, Urban. A good reminder to leave the site better than we found it, rather it's boondocking or at a high-end RV Resort.


RV'ers do a similar thing even in campgrounds....with huge lanterns, music blaring, large smokey camp fires, etc...
LOL - reminds me of one time we were camping with a large group and one guy actually brought his lantern over to the campfire and set it on a table next to his chair. Very relaxing...NOT!
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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2017, 10:49:10 AM »
Ugh... Those old coleman white gas lanterns should be outlawed. They're like a sun going super nova.
Good link Urban Hillbilly. As someone who went up the ladder with my boys in scouts, I am adamant about the condition of our site when we leave. I often end up picking up the previous occupants little crap.
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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2017, 11:26:53 AM »
Leave no trace? How does one do that in an RV? There are no all electric powered RVs yet, someone tell Elon to hurry up.

It's a given, an RV is not like a tent, but I've seen tent campers leave a bigger mess than an RVer and you usually drive a car to the campsite. Also, you can do things like solar to curb some of the energy issues. It's just not a perfect world, even for Elon! I agree, it does start with a considerate attitude.
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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2017, 11:36:23 AM »
It's a given, an RV is not like a tent, but I've seen tent campers leave a bigger mess than an RVer and you usually drive a car to the campsite. Also, you can do things like solar to curb some of the energy issues. It's just not a perfect world, even for Elon! I agree, it does start with a considerate attitude.
You missed my point. Claiming to leave no trace but then driving a vehicle is counterproductive. It is not not leaving a trace.
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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2017, 12:42:51 PM »
Once we get all packed up we all take a turn around the campsite. Once we're hooked up and I pull out I drive back around to the campsite and stop in front and everybody takes a good look. That way we can see it from the perspective of the folks that may be coming in behind us. We can see if we left anything under the truck or trailer.
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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2017, 01:45:16 PM »
Ugh... Those old coleman white gas lanterns should be outlawed. They're like a sun going super nova.....

yep.  I've been saying the same thing since I started scouting with my son's cub scout pack.  Even the electric lanterns.... just when I start getting a little bit of night vision adaptation going, somebody with their shiny new lantern would stroll by on the way to the bathhouse or someplace.... :o

When I wrote my post though, i had pictured in my mind the time when we were camping in a state park.  We were in our popup trailer at the time, and the guy in the next site over had a "bucket light" hanging high in the tree above.  Must have had a 200 watt bulb, maybe more in that thing.  The whole place looked like a walmart parking lot!
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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2017, 02:09:48 PM »
Ugh... Those old coleman white gas lanterns should be outlawed.
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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2017, 05:56:12 PM »
I recall an advertisment (Do not litter ad) Featuring an Indian who walked the forest Came to a River, observed some junk (I recall a plastic bottle carrier and some other stuff) and cried.

Only problem with the ad is that he was a Forest indian, a TeePee dweller. They were nomadic, THey moved in, Destroyed the enviorment, then leaving all their junk to decay over time moved on.

Not like the Pubelo dwellers of the Dessert regions.  (NOTE: Confirmed with a genuine Pubelo Dweller, the daughter of a Tribal Leader no less, when I was in AZ some years back)

But then.. She was amazed I knew the differene  (I am often amazed at how little some people know.. But then I like to read, and when you read..... You learn).
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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2017, 06:24:49 AM »
Firepits are not garbage pits. It seems many RVers like to toss their crap in the fire pit for the next person to clean out.

I travel with a long handle picker-upper because I don't like all the little bits of garbage I find all over most campsites I go to set up on. Straws, beer caps, cig butts, plastic crap from juice box straws (really hate that system!) and so on.

I seem to spend an hour just cleaning up a site so I am not ashamed to be seen camping on it.

When I leave, I doubt if anyone could find anything wrong with the way I leave the camp. I would say that 99% of the time I leave it in far better shape than I found it.

I am appalled at the cavalier attitude towards garbage and the laziness in hauling it out or disposing of it properly. I have even found entire garbage bags full stuffed in the fire pit for the next hapless camper to deal with.
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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2017, 09:40:58 AM »
Boy, I'd love to follow y'all when I camp but unfortunately, I too get the pigs who leave all the garbage behind. Can we start shooting the litterers? Seems that is the only thing that will stop them. Oh, and don't shoot to wound!

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Re: Leave No Trace!
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2017, 01:13:35 PM »
We have one of only a few active lifetime camping/hunting access permits left for a 400 acre tree farm in the Adirondacks owned by a large paper company. When we were there for a week last summer, the senior forester for the company came by to introduce us to a new summer intern. The intern was first out of the truck, and he immediately started in on us ranting about the sewer hose that he thought was running out on ground. When the forester caught up with him, he started laughing, making the intern even madder. Once the intern finally calmed down, the forester asked him to go over and see where the end of the hose went. The puzzled look on the interns face when he found the elbow screwed into a PVC pipe fitting was priceless. The forester finally told him that the little clearing we were in was where the forester had lived in his trailer 30 something years ago while he was building a cabin to live in a few miles away. While he was in the trailer, he had a 500 gallon septic tank and leach field installed at the clearing, and had showed us the inlet long ago so we could use it too. When we're preparing to leave, the fireplace rocks are scattered with the wet down ashes raked out, and the sewer inlet covered with brush. Anyone coming by would be hard pressed to know that anyone had been camping there at all, much less in a 34' motorhome.
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