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grashley

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Re: Choices to make on a 5th wheel...HELP!?!?!
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2017, 04:25:42 PM »
The Bold and underlined above ^^^^^^ is a mistake!  The GVWR of the truck is the nameplate number on the white sticker on the door pillar.  For example, a Ford F250 3/4Ton truck would typically be 10,000 lbs  That is the truck only ....Gross Vehicle Weight Rating!
You are correct, but only if you include the pin / hitch weight as well, since it is carried by the truck.  My statement was    weight of the TRUCK  with the trailer attached (omitted - trailer NOT on the scale), which is correct, just poorly worded by me.
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Re: Choices to make on a 5th wheel...HELP!?!?!
« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2017, 04:36:41 PM »
I did a good bit of research on 5th wheels before I bought mine. I have a 2015 GMC 2500 Duramax with a max pin weight of 2250 lbs. It can tow a 17,000lb. 5th wheel but the pin weight is the limiting factor. I decided to get a 31foot 5th wheel with a gross weight of 10,000lbs. When I weighed it the pin weight was about 1800 lbs. I would not be comfortable going any bigger with this truck. BTW I love my Grand Design Reflection 27RL.

There is a big problem here somewhere!  A 17,000# FW will have a MINIMUM pin wt of 15%, or 2550#.  Well above your stated capacity.  It may have been a published fantasy number, but totally wrong in the real world. 

Your decision to go with a 10,000# FW is very smart on your part.  Based on your numbers, that is very doable.
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steveblonde

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Re: Choices to make on a 5th wheel...HELP!?!?!
« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2017, 06:55:28 PM »
There is a big problem here somewhere!  A 17,000# FW will have a MINIMUM pin wt of 15%, or 2550#.  Well above your stated capacity.  It may have been a published fantasy number, but totally wrong in the real world. 

Your decision to go with a 10,000# FW is very smart on your part.  Based on your numbers, that is very doable.

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Re: Choices to make on a 5th wheel...HELP!?!?!
« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2017, 07:51:06 PM »
You are correct, but only if you include the pin / hitch weight as well, since it is carried by the truck.  My statement was    weight of the TRUCK  with the trailer attached (omitted - trailer NOT on the scale), which is correct, just poorly worded by me.

Truck GVWR has absolutely nothing to do with the trailer in anyway, shape, or form.  The Truck Gross Vehicle, Weight Rating is just that.....the amount of weight, including the truck, that you can legally have on or in the truck. 

If the truck weighed 9200 lbs and had a GVWR of 14,000 lbs, that would leave you  4800 lbs to add to the truck (the payload).  And that could be a pallet of bricks in the bed that weighs 4800 lbs...OR a load of firewood that weighs 2400 lbs AND a pin weight of your 5ver that is 2400 lbs......OR any other combination that you can think of that totals 4800 lbs.

So if you used up all of your payload (4800 lbs) on that load of brick, theoretically, you couldn't even add a passenger that weighs 150 lbs without being over the payload capacity.  I realize that is a silly example, but the point is, the truck is only going to allow (legally) a certain amount of payload weight and it can be any combination of added weight, such as I've described above.
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Re: Choices to make on a 5th wheel...HELP!?!?!
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2017, 03:55:11 PM »
First off, your truck has the same frame, power train, and brakes that a 3500 dually has. You have the same axles that a 3500 single wheel has. The only thing that makes your truck a 2500 is the suspension.

You can supplement the suspension but your limiting factor is the weight on the tires. If you have enough capacity in the tires, you can certainly pull the trailer.

Having pulled large trailers with SRW trucks many times, you will be low on stability, especially in crosswinds. If you ever blow one of the drive tires on your truck, and still manage to keep the rig upright, be ready to buy yourself a new seat because you will certainly soil it.
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Re: Choices to make on a 5th wheel...HELP!?!?!
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2017, 12:24:21 PM »
lone star dsl is correct.  you can also get load range G tires for these trucks, which will help with carrying capacity, along with the 3500 springs.
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Re: Choices to make on a 5th wheel...HELP!?!?!
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2017, 03:13:22 PM »
Just read through this thread. Interesting information. We have a 27 ft TT but are wanting to upgrade to a 5th wheel in the spring.
I purchased a 2017 F350 SRW Power Stroke a few months ago. My GVWR is 11,500. My payload is 3,435. If I'm reading all this correctly I want to stay in the 12,000 lb or less 5th wheel category to be safely within my limits of the truck for pin weight.. Is this Correct?

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Re: Choices to make on a 5th wheel...HELP!?!?!
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2017, 03:32:10 PM »
Just read through this thread. Interesting information. We have a 27 ft TT but are wanting to upgrade to a 5th wheel in the spring.
I purchased a 2017 F350 SRW Power Stroke a few months ago. My GVWR is 11,500. My payload is 3,435. If I'm reading all this correctly I want to stay in the 12,000 lb or less 5th wheel category to be safely within my limits of the truck for pin weight.. Is this Correct?

12 k loaded not dry.  That still only leaves 1,000 pounds for passengers and cargo and a hitch.  While doable I personally like more wiggle room and not maxing out my payload.  Granted the larger and heavier the truck the less of an issue that may be, if at all.

bronco78

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Re: Choices to make on a 5th wheel...HELP!?!?!
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2017, 10:40:08 AM »
12 k loaded not dry.  That still only leaves 1,000 pounds for passengers and cargo and a hitch.  While doable I personally like more wiggle room and not maxing out my payload.  Granted the larger and heavier the truck the less of an issue that may be, if at all.

With the storage these newer 5th wheels have I don't see me having much cargo on the truck except the hitch. My wife and I and the dog and a cooler in the crew cab.
When shopping for a 5er should one always use 20% for the pin Weight? 

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Re: Choices to make on a 5th wheel...HELP!?!?!
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2017, 11:07:22 AM »
20% is middle of the road average.  Could be more if you opt to load at lot into the trailer. Could be less if your are a minimalist. 

Without knowing your final weights ( and nobody does with a new purchase) 20% of a max loaded loaded trailer weight, and hopefully staying within 80-85% of your other towing and weight specs gives you breathing room for mis-calculations and other under estimated weight, and should give you a reasonably confident overview.

Strangely a lot of people seem to assume minimal weight and maximum capabilities.

bronco78

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Re: Choices to make on a 5th wheel...HELP!?!?!
« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2017, 02:30:00 PM »
I went to my truck and got my scale tickets from weighing it. I took it straight to a scale from the dealer with a full tank of fuel and me in it and it weighed 8,060 lbs.
I had Line-x sprayed in and a retractable tonneau cover put on. Took it back and it weighed 8,320 lbs. Weighed the rear axle at that time and it was 3,540.  My door sticker says rear axle weight ratio is 7,230 lbs. Subtract 3,540 from that and it leaves 3,690 which is more than the payload rating

 

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