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garyb1st

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How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« on: August 08, 2017, 05:05:35 PM »
Just put new tires on the Pace Arrow.  Recall that after so many miles, (maybes 100 or so) they're supposed to be re-torqued.  No way I can do that with the equipment I have.  How important is it to re-torque the tires and what do you use? 
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2017, 05:51:58 PM »
Re-Torquing depends on several things.

One: How the tires were put on.. Mine the installer used a special centering Nut then it put on all the other nuts, then he took the special nut off and put on the regular ones.. This say the wheel is properly centered from the word GO..  Still... Read on.

My Daughter's second car. First one she bought 100% on her own.. It had Mag/Alum rims.. THe dealer forgot to tell her to come back for a Re-Torque.. Cost 'em big time (They made good on it)

Steel rims.. Not so important.. I do not have the needed tools either. My Torque wrench not that strong.
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2017, 06:17:07 PM »
John, pretty sure they're steel.  So if you're suggesting I don't need to re-torque them, I'm good to do. 
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2017, 07:03:25 PM »
John, pretty sure they're steel.  So if you're suggesting I don't need to re-torque them, I'm good to do.

Now ya done it Gary. Now I'm thinking about mine. I've got about 2000 miles since I had my new tires put on, and didn't even give it a second thought, till now. Maybe I'd better call my dealer tomorrow, I'm leaving Monday on another 1000 mile trip.

I sure can't do mine, that's why I went with coach net. 
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2017, 07:13:38 PM »
Just put new tires on the Pace Arrow.  Recall that after so many miles, (maybes 100 or so) they're supposed to be re-torqued.  No way I can do that with the equipment I have.  How important is it to re-torque the tires and what do you use?

I seriously doubt that anyone re-torques their "tires".......but probably lots of folks re-torque the wheels after a tire change!   ;D
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2017, 07:18:19 PM »
Ok, what is the proper torque (steel wheels)?
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2017, 07:28:25 PM »
Sorry Charlie.  But hey, if you get them torqued, let me know what you find out. 
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2017, 07:29:15 PM »
I seriously doubt that anyone re-torques their "tires".......but probably lots of folks re-torque the wheels after a tire change!   ;D

I always re-torque my tires.  The wheels are too hard.   ;)
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2017, 08:11:53 PM »
I'm with you on that.  I was torquing the rear wheels on my Dually a couple of months ago (160 ft. lbs) and was leaning into it pretty hard and something happened to me that has never happened before in my life.  The 13/16" socket (1/2" drive) broke and I ended up hitting the concrete driveway pretty hard.  It wasn't a cheapo socket set either.....it was a J.H. Williams brand.  After that little incident, I bought a 1/2" battery powered DeWalt impact wrench and a 160 ft. lb. torque extension and a 13/16" impact socket.

It sound like that may have never happened if I had been torquing the tires instead of the wheels.   8)
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2017, 08:12:04 PM »
Sorry Charlie.  But hey, if you get them torqued, let me know what you find out.
Just checked the manual, says to re torque @ 100, 1000, and 6000 after they have been removed. Guess I'll be stopping by wingfoot tomorrow to see if they can get me in. 

22,000 motor home chassis takes 475 ft lb. No way can I do that, and I'd like to see them do that. I'll bet they just run them with an impact wrench.
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2017, 04:03:44 AM »
I torque mine to 350 dry 400 lubed. Per Alcoa book for lug size steel rims. Use a jack stand to hold up wrench.
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2017, 08:54:16 AM »
When I had my wheel bearings replaced, I noticed the very spendy looking torque wrench that they used to set the correct torque on my lug nuts. Here is least expensive torque wrench ($284) that can go to 600 ft lbs that I found on Amazon. For more than 600 ft lbs I can only imagine what that might cost.  I think I would be renting that one if I could find it there.

https://smile.amazon.com/Torque-Wrench-Dr-100-600-Lbs/dp/B000K1K0U4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1502286531&sr=8-3&keywords=500+ft+lb+torque+wrench
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2017, 09:01:37 AM »
When I had my wheel bearings replaced, I noticed the very spendy looking torque wrench that they used to set the correct torque on my lug nuts. Here is least expensive torque wrench ($284) that can go to 600 ft lbs that I found on Amazon. For more than 600 ft lbs I can only imagine what that might cost.  I think I would be renting that one if I could find it there.

https://smile.amazon.com/Torque-Wrench-Dr-100-600-Lbs/dp/B000K1K0U4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1502286531&sr=8-3&keywords=500+ft+lb+torque+wrench
You still have to  be strong enough to use it. I'm out, no way could I use that.
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2017, 09:07:11 AM »
You still have to  be strong enough to use it. I'm out, no way could I use that.

Perhaps with a pipe over the end.  With a big enough lever you can move the world.
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2017, 09:36:05 AM »
Just put new tires on the Pace Arrow.  Recall that after so many miles, (maybes 100 or so) they're supposed to be re-torqued.  No way I can do that with the equipment I have.  How important is it to re-torque the tires and what do you use?

garyb1st
I have the dealer who sold me the tires and mounted them do BOTH the "initial torquing" and the "re-torquing".
(A good tire shop will do the required re-torque at no charge).

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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2017, 09:55:28 AM »
We're heading out tomorrow and will put  2000+ miles on the tires.  Hopefully I can find a local shop to do the torque.  If not, I'll just take my chances.  The same shop put tires on our 1999 Aerbus with 19.5 tires.  Never torqued them after the install and put 30,000 miles on them.   
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2017, 10:34:14 AM »
Over 40 years and many thousands of miles I drove large trucks and had hundreds of tires changed.... I never re-torqued a single lug nut on an aluminum or steel wheel,  and I've never found or heard of a loose lug nut.

IMO...That printed instruction that says you must re-torque the lug nuts every 100 miles is just a bunch of corporate attorney ramblings trying to avoid responsibilities.

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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2017, 10:55:06 AM »
We're heading out tomorrow and will put  2000+ miles on the tires.  Hopefully I can find a local shop to do the torque.  If not, I'll just take my chances.  The same shop put tires on our 1999 Aerbus with 19.5 tires.  Never torqued them after the install and put 30,000 miles on them.
My dealer says not necessary, but they will do it if I want, but not free, and the can't do it till Friday morning. I've already got 2000 miles miles since my tires were installed, think I'm going to forget about it. 
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2017, 11:01:51 AM »
I've never taken the motorhome back for a re-torque. The commercial truck tire shop I use doesn't think it is necessary and doesn't do it on other vehicles, but said I could bring it in for a check-up if ever in doubt.

I used to hit the trailer wheels with my lug wrench a few weeks after any changes, "just in case".

When was the last time you checked the wheel torque on your car?  Same thing...
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2017, 11:13:36 AM »
I guess I'm on the other side of the fence during my 3 decades of wrenching and I am anal about torqueing fasteners, especially wheels, either steel or aluminum. 

Many people think torqueing of wheel studs is for the wheel's protection which is why it is said steel wheels don't need to be torqued or it isn't as critical.  While the steel is more forgiving than an aluminum wheel is correct, the rotors and/or drums are what you want to protect.  With uneven torque applied to wheel studs the cast rotors and/or drums can actually deform due to the stress of uneven torque when they get hot.  By keeping the stresses even when these components get hot they are less prone to distorting or warping.

In my opinion I would have them re-torqued, but have them back them off slightly then bring up to spec.  The biggest issue I see and is one of my pet-peeves at tire shops is when the guy rattles on the lug nut with his impact and THEN grabs a torque wrench and runs around the pattern and they all get the "click" from the torque wrench. ::)  They should be run on evenly and then brought up to the proper torque evenly.  BY merely rattling on with an impact and then kissing them with the torque wrench I guarantee you that they are all over-torqued and the torque wrench is merely telling them that they are at LEAST at the preset of the torque wrench.

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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2017, 12:20:24 PM »
I put 200k on my last work truck with a perm. equipment mounted maxed out GWV,   and being a boom truck it could be legally over-weight on the 14k steer axle, ..  (it's true). 

 It had 10 ea.  22" alum. wheels on it,  being driven hard on and off road,  it used to eat tires.

I've had many tires changed on job sites and the side of the road by many different independent tire trucks.  Every one of them put a 250 ft. lb. air-gun in the lugs and held the trigger down until the gun stopped ............ torque ?   

In over 4 decades of driving these work trucks,  I never checked them,  I never re-torqued them,  and I've never had a wheel or lug problem.

I guess I was just lucky.    :)
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2017, 02:46:23 PM »
^^To each their own.  I have never been a fan of relying on luck or hope as a plan yet I know many who do, at least until they have an issue.

Gary asked for opinions or asked who torques their wheels and I gave him my opinion.

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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2017, 03:08:27 PM »
In my opinion I would have them re-torqued, but have them back them off slightly then bring up to spec.  The biggest issue I see and is one of my pet-peeves at tire shops is when the guy rattles on the lug nut with his impact and THEN grabs a torque wrench and runs around the pattern and they all get the "click" from the torque wrench. ::)  They should be run on evenly and then brought up to the proper torque evenly.  BY merely rattling on with an impact and then kissing them with the torque wrench I guarantee you that they are all over-torqued and the torque wrench is merely telling them that they are at LEAST at the preset of the torque wrench.

Mike

I'm going to err on the side of caution and have them re-torqued.   I may have missed it, but I don't recall seeing anyone with a torque wrench after the lugs were put on.   I've used this guy for the past 7 years and get good prices but, they're not really set up for large vehicles. 

Thanks everyones for your input.  Tires out the door $1,600.  Sumitomo 245 75R 22.5.   I've got room in the budget for a re-torque.   ;)
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2017, 04:18:16 PM »
If you go into a real truck tire shop,  go in the back and ask some of the actual tire jockies if they use a torque wrench to tighten the lug nuts ....  they will likely burst out in laughter.   but I'm sure the service writer up front will be more than happy to take your money.

to loosen all six wheels and remove two of them and put a torque wrench on 48 to 60 different nuts,  how long could it take at $90-$100 per hour ?

 IMO..loosening of the lug nuts has never been a problem....and nobody ever re-torques them.     But if it makes you sleep better, then go have it done.   :)


 

   
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2017, 07:27:50 AM »
Over 40 years and many thousands of miles I drove large trucks and had hundreds of tires changed.... I never re-torqued a single lug nut on an aluminum or steel wheel,  and I've never found or heard of a loose lug nut.

IMO...That printed instruction that says you must re-torque the lug nuts every 100 miles is just a bunch of corporate attorney ramblings trying to avoid responsibilities.

TonyDtorch
Every 100 miles??

There's sign in the shop where I buy tires says they will re-torque the lug nuts after the first 100 miles.
When I returned my coach to the shop they found that 6 of the 40 lug nuts needed to be re-tightended

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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2017, 08:01:34 AM »
I have supervised the Installation of thousands, no tens of thousands of 22 5 tires in the 36 years of truck maintenance.  Ensure the mating surfaces are clean and free of rust, torque in proper sequence, and they will be fine over 100,000 miles.
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2017, 08:08:30 AM »
In my opinion I would have them re-torqued, but have them back them off slightly then bring up to spec.  The biggest issue I see and is one of my pet-peeves at tire shops is when the guy rattles on the lug nut with his impact and THEN grabs a torque wrench and runs around the pattern and they all get the "click" from the torque wrench. ::)  They should be run on evenly and then brought up to the proper torque evenly.  BY merely rattling on with an impact and then kissing them with the torque wrench I guarantee you that they are all over-torqued and the torque wrench is merely telling them that they are at LEAST at the preset of the torque wrench.
Mike

I was a victim of this with my Jeep. I often rotate my own Jeep tires every 5-6K miles while on the road. Occasionally I use a shop if I am near one.  I had purchased a set of Cooper Tires from Les Schawb, and they offer free rotations as a perk.  I was in WA state and went to a Schawb for a quick rotation, which they did.  5K miles later I was home in the garage and tried to get the wheels off to do another rotation myself.

About half of the lugs were on so tight they wouldn't budge. And that was using a star wrench, a block of wood and my 200# plus frame bouncing on the end.  I had to go to a tire shop in town to get them removed.  The result was that I wound up needing about 6 of the studs and all the lug nuts replaced because the tire jockey stretched the studs, damaging them. 

Now I refuse to let any tire jockey put the lugs on with an impact wrench.  All of them will say "our impact wrenches are set to 80# and we use a torque wrench to tighten them".  But like Mike says, you never know how tight an impact wrench will put the lugs on, and the torque wrench just tells you what the minimum torque is. 

My motorhome wheels are not as much of a concern. They put them on with a 1" impact at 450# pounds+ and the studs are much more robust than those on a passenger car. I also have not had my MH wheels retorqued.
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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2017, 08:16:04 AM »
Again, to each there own but I have wrenched for 3 decades and now manage a shop that maintains 46 OTR tractors, 235 box trailers and 25 dollies and we torque our wheels on, period.  But that is just the way I/we do things and I am sure not everyone is that regimented.

It kills me what people call their "professional" shops that support their own theories yet when something does NOT go right their same "professional" shop is the first one to blame because they have incompetent mechanics. ::)  Bottom line is it's your money and your decision, if you think having the wheels torqued on properly is a waste of money then by all means don't bother with it. 

We can go back and forth all day long and we will never convince the other that they are wrong, the OP merely asked a question and I gave my opinion and supplied the facts and details on how I do it, nothing more.

My theory is to maintain a high quality of workmanship, anything else is purely unacceptable.

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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2017, 08:27:49 AM »
To prove that I actually walk the walk and not talk the talk.

This is my Proto 600 ft/lb torque wrench that gets used anytime I pull a wheel on my coach or anyone's that I work on.

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Re: How many torque their 22.5 inch tires.
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2017, 08:53:37 AM »
Torquing them properly the first time is wise, but IF that is done, I see little reason to re-torque later.  In my opinion, it's basically insurance against a sloppy job the first time.

The problem in all of this is that tire shops rarely do anything other than beat the nuts with a big air-wrench that has a torque setting. From what I see, they use a one size fits all torque setting based on wheel diameter, where "size" is either "big" (trucks, 19.5"-24.0") or "small" (car tires, less than 19.5"). Maybe they test it with a torque wrench after, as Zmotorsports described.  In most cases the lugs are going to be way over-torqued (unless the jockey forgot top reset the air wrench first). Those "tire professionals" mostly aren't very professional about anything except getting the job out the door quickly and with least effort.
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