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TonyDtorch

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Re: THE CHILDREN OF THE SILENT GENERATION...
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2017, 02:13:14 PM »
Does that mean that even though we have a Second Amendment right, does not make it right?

You may have a different opinion of what's right and wrong from other Americans.  I'm sure there are even some Americans that think women should not have the right to vote.

  You have the right to disagree with anything you want in the Bill of Rights.   If you want to change the laws into what you think is right...change 'em.

  Look at the 18th amendment...those people thought it was the right thing to do.
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« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2017, 02:30:40 PM »
You may have a different opinion of what's right and wrong from other Americans.  I'm sure there are some Americans don't think women should have the right to vote.

 And  You have the right to disagree with anything you want in the Bill of Rights,  Look at what happened to the 18th amendment.

you want to change the law...change it.

That is not my point.  You said, "Because you have the right...does not make it right."  Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant.  What exactly did you mean by that?
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TonyDtorch

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Re: THE CHILDREN OF THE SILENT GENERATION...
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2017, 02:35:51 PM »
That is not my point.  You said, "Because you have the right...does not make it right."  What exactly did you mean by that?

an example...

I have the right to use an American flag as toilet paper...but I won't.
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« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2017, 02:37:04 PM »
I thought that was a wonderful reminder of the Children of the Silent Generation.   Children that lived through but did not have to participate in a war,  are almost forgotten about.

I was a Vietnam child,  many of the memories were fun.  Thank you.

OldGator73...I've seen children play in the middle of a war zone...you can find moments of Peace anywhere.

Are you suggesting that the Children of the Silent Generation did not have to participate in a war? 
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Oldgator73

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« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2017, 02:46:52 PM »
I searched but couldn't find US Code Title 36 Chapter 10
http://www.usflag.org/us.code36.html
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

If you search "Flag Code" you should be able to find it.
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« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2017, 03:27:55 PM »
 "Oldgater" seems to be carrying a racial grudge around his neck,,I for one have NEVER OWNED A SLAVE and you for one HAVE NEVER BEEN ONE.. So let it go and get on with life.>>>Dan
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Oldgator73

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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2017, 04:05:20 PM »
"Oldgater" seems to be carrying a racial grudge around his neck,,I for one have NEVER OWNED A SLAVE and you for one HAVE NEVER BEEN ONE.. So let it go and get on with life.>>>Dan

And you sir are demonstrating classic white privilege. This has nothing to do with slavery (we could have that conversation though). This has to do with the inequality in treatment by our society and governments towards people of color, women and the LGBT community. If you do not like the conversation, stay out of it. Whatever you do, do not proclaim to think I have a "racial grudge". I want my two mixed race grandchildren to have all the opportunities and privileges that I have enjoyed. I'll let it go and get on with life when that happens.
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TonyDtorch

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Re: THE CHILDREN OF THE SILENT GENERATION...
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2017, 04:24:44 PM »
I wonder...

Let's say you're like me and you have so much disdain for our legal system.....  you decided to take a knee when the bailiff says "All Rise".


What would happen..do you have that right not to stand ?
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Oldgator73

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Re: THE CHILDREN OF THE SILENT GENERATION...
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2017, 04:45:22 PM »
I wonder...

Let's say you're like me and you have so much disdain for our legal system.....  you took a knee when the bailiff says "All Rise".


What would happen..do you have that right not to stand ?

Interesting question. From what I have read the bailiff has no authority over you in the courtroom. But, if the judge asks you to rise and approach the bench and you don't, you might be held in contempt.
There is no penalty for not rising for the Anthem. The statute covering such matters says "should" not shall or must.
I have disdain for a legal system that is not impartial.
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TonyDtorch

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« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2017, 05:01:22 PM »
I'm good with that,    after watching the O.J. trial....The next time I hear a bailiff say .."All Rise" ..... I'm gonna be like the pro athletes  ...
 I'll  give him a one finger salute and stay seated.
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Oldgator73

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« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2017, 05:09:13 PM »
I'm good with that,    after watching the O.J. trial....The next time I hear a bailiff say .."All Rise" ..... I'll be like a pro football player.... I'll  give him a one finger salute and stay seated.

Whatever blows your dress up.
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Re: THE CHILDREN OF THE SILENT GENERATION...
« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2017, 05:19:17 PM »
Responding to the subject more than anything.. Yes. a generation or two ago I recall Nixon talking about the "Silent Majority" 

Fact is back then not many of us had a public voice. Oh you could write a letter to the editor but only a few get published, You could write your senator or representive, mayor, council man or other elected official but how much attention did they pay.

Today we have the internet and social media so every person who can type now has a Public Voice, we can all speak out on many things tha bother us.

Subject: Tangent: Respect for the flat and the anthem.....

How respectful is it to Dress in the FLag (Flag code: Flag not to be used as clothing or as part of clothign except for a flag patch on selectred uniforms) (Slightly paraphreased)

How respuctifl to brag about all the flags around you during a speech (not to be used as advertising)

Now respectful to fly the flag of ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES which we defeated in war?

Standing has been a treadition for only about (Rounded) 200 years

Kneeling, for over 2000 years.. I have no problem with kneeling to respect the flag..

I do have a problem with the flag of our enemies.
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TonyDtorch

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Re: THE CHILDREN OF THE SILENT GENERATION...
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2017, 05:33:15 PM »

I do have a problem with the flag of our enemies.

But you can't have a problem with it !.........It's my constitutional right to fly the flags of our enemies. 

 if I lived next door to you I have the right do it every day in your face !                      (but as we know...some things just aren't right)

is it okay to fly the Vietcong flag....They defeated us ?
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Oldgator73

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« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2017, 05:55:30 PM »
But you can't have a problem with it !.........It's my constitutional right to fly the flags of our enemies. 

 if I lived next door to you I have the right do it every day in your face !                      (but as we know...some things just aren't right)

is it okay to fly the Vietcong flag....They defeated us ?

That's a good question. I don't think there is federal law against flying a flag from a country that is our enemy. There may be some states that you cannot do so legally. But you are incorrect Tony in saying someone cannot have a problem with something just because it is their constitutional right to do something. You have the same Constitutional rights to have said problem than the person that presented the very thing that created the problem. I hope that clears it up. Great conversation. I am giddy with excitement awaiting the next post.
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TonyDtorch

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Re: THE CHILDREN OF THE SILENT GENERATION...
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2017, 06:04:58 PM »
That's a good question. I don't think there is federal law against flying a flag from a country that is our enemy. There may be some states that you cannot do so legally. But you are incorrect Tony in saying someone cannot have a problem with something just because it is their constitutional right to do something. You have the same Constitutional rights to have said problem than the person that presented the very thing that created the problem. I hope that clears it up. Great conversation. I am giddy with excitement awaiting the next post.

I picked up on the giddy a while ago.

TonyDtorch

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Re: THE CHILDREN OF THE SILENT GENERATION...
« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2017, 06:10:46 PM »
So if a team owner has a problem with his employees...does he have the right to fire them ?

every contract has a ethic's clause in it..  is it the team owner's .. or the typical pro athletes ethics ?

if the national anthem is a part of the show...is a player obligated to participate ?
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« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2017, 06:25:41 PM »
I picked up on the giddy a while ago.
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Oldgator73

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« Reply #47 on: September 29, 2017, 06:30:30 PM »
I picked up on the giddy a while ago.

At my age it doesn't take much to get me giddy.
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Re: THE CHILDREN OF THE SILENT GENERATION...
« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2017, 08:09:10 AM »
So if a team owner has a problem with his employees...does he have the right to fire them ?

every contract has a ethic's clause in it..  is it the team owner's .. or the typical pro athletes ethics ?

if the national anthem is a part of the show...is a player obligated to participate ?

To answer your question: If a team owner has a problem with a player.. YES he can fire them.

The Ethics clause.. Kneeling is not an ethical issue. Thus the ethics clause does not apply.

The President telling the team owner to FIRE a player to kneel is both an Ethics violation and a violation of FEDERAL LAW which strictly prohibits any elected official from doing that.. Several years in prison.
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TonyDtorch

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« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2017, 10:08:18 AM »
I kinda doubt that.

If our congress couldn't even put Bill Clinton in jail after being convicted of perjury in a Grand Jury trial......They're not going to throw a president in jail for running his mouth off. 
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« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2017, 10:15:30 AM »
I kinda doubt that.

If our congress couldn't even put Bill Clinton in jail for perjury in a Grand Jury trial......They're not going to throw a president in jail for running his mouth off.

Free speech applies to the President as well.  But my gut tells me if an elected official actually manages to have someone put in jail because the individual says or does something the official doesn't like, he may end up in the slammer. 
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Oldgator73

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« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2017, 10:39:43 AM »
I kinda doubt that.

If our congress couldn't even put Bill Clinton in jail after being convicted of perjury in a Grand Jury trial......They're not going to throw a president in jail for running his mouth off.

If you actually read about the impeachment of president Clinton you will see that Ken Starr and the grand jury were outsmarted by Clinton. In order to prove perjury one has to be very specific in their questioning and fully define all terms in such questioning. Did Clinton have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky? Yes he did. But according to the definition of sexual relations that Clinton was given to read, he did not have sexual relations, she did. Clinton did not lie, he just did not expound on his answer. His answer was based on his interpretation of the definition of sexual relations given to him by Ken Starr.
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TonyDtorch

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Re: THE CHILDREN OF THE SILENT GENERATION...
« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2017, 10:43:39 AM »
So,  you guys can understand my total disdain of our legal system.   

Thank you  :)



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« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2017, 11:18:02 AM »
I just put this topic on the Unnotify list.  It is beginning to show traces of what we try to avoid - politics and argument where no ones mind is ever changed.  Just too many hard feelings are being created.

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Re: THE CHILDREN OF THE SILENT GENERATION...
« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2017, 11:20:39 AM »
I just put this topic on the Unnotify list.  It is beginning to show traces of what we try to avoid - politics and argument where no ones mind is ever changed.  Just too many hard feelings are being created.

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« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2017, 11:37:56 AM »
I just put this topic on the Unnotify list.  It is beginning to show traces of what we try to avoid - politics and argument where no ones mind is ever changed.  Just too many hard feelings are being created.

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Oldgator73

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« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2017, 12:18:41 PM »
I just put this topic on the Unnotify list.  It is beginning to show traces of what we try to avoid - politics and argument where no ones mind is ever changed.  Just too many hard feelings are being created.

Bill

I don't have hard feelings. One of the great things about our country is we can argue and disagree. I enjoy these types of discussions. As long as we don't call each other names.
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Oldgator73

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Re: THE CHILDREN OF THE SILENT GENERATION...
« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2017, 12:37:14 PM »
So,  you guys can understand my total disdain of our legal system.   

Thank you  :)

Yeah, it could use some tweaking. The poor really get shafted. They are, in most cases, appointed a public defender that tries their best to get them to take a plea. Their defense is mediocre at best.
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TonyDtorch

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« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2017, 01:35:50 PM »
So then I guess we agree.     Same as the national anthem,  That makes it perfectly ethical not to stand up for a judge in court in a court of law.

Glad we're still friends.  ;)
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« Reply #59 on: September 30, 2017, 01:36:44 PM »
Nope, cannot understand "disdain" for the best legal system in the world. To which system do you compare our system. Jeesh...
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