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Tyler1954

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2015 F53 sway bar issue
« on: August 13, 2017, 05:22:35 PM »
Have a Winnebago SunStar 31 BE on a F53 chassis. Now twice the u bolt holding the rear sway bar to the axle housing has broken and been lost . I think the bolts are braking off, both time on the passenger side.My classic is a 18,000 lb and I have done the Cheap handling fix.

Looking for thoughts and fixes.
Tyler  Richardson

John Hilley

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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2017, 09:14:30 PM »
Was it replaced with an oem or equivalent U bolt? May be related to Cheap Handling Fix.
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Tyler1954

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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2017, 04:50:44 AM »
No , appears that the bolts broke, this only has happened to the passenger side
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2017, 07:35:14 AM »
That's not a good situation, the sway bar is a necessary bit of suspension.
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2017, 08:21:51 AM »
I asked my Winnebago contact about this and they aren't aware of any sway bar issues with that chassis. Have you contacted Ford?
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Tyler1954

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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2017, 08:55:52 AM »
Spoke with my local Ford Truck dealer this morning. He wouldn't say it was a issue, however the parts are on National Back order. They expect to have parts for my MH by Octember. He also stated there are several ahead of me for the same repair.
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2017, 01:15:19 PM »
LOL! The parts are on national back order but he wouldn't claim it's a problem, that's too funny.
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2017, 02:41:56 PM »
How can a part as simple as a U bolt be on back order for two months? There must be alternate sources. Does Ford have a description and specification of the part?
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Tyler1954

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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2017, 03:09:39 PM »
Yes I ask if we could use non Ford parts. They responded that they would not install non Ford part and if non Ford part was used the warranty would be void.
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2017, 03:46:19 PM »
will they give you the Ford part number?
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John Hilley

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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2017, 04:03:23 PM »
This appears to have been a problem since about 2011

NHTSA Bulletin 395483 and Ford TSB 12-6-1
http://www.allworldauto.com/tsbs/NHTSA_2011_FORD_F_53_technical_service_bulletin_395483.html
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Tyler1954

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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2017, 05:03:08 PM »
I didn't ask for the part number , I am sure they would. My plan was to have them make the repair and inspect the entire sway bar and they will also replace the bushings and all hardware under warranty
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2017, 05:21:23 PM »
A part number search may find it some place
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Tyler1954

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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2017, 05:13:29 PM »
Here it is 9/20/17 and Ford can't provide this way bar replacement parts(hardware and u bracket) still on back order.  I can replace with after market Parts and  loss my warranty.  Ford can't or want tell me if the bolts are grade 8 or 5 they also haven't given me apart number so I can do my own search.

One Ford employee has told me their parts Provider is on strike and they don't know when the parts May be available. At this point I am ready to Tell Ford to stick it and do the job my self with the after market parts.
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2017, 07:44:28 AM »
You cannot lose your warranty by installing after-market parts thanks to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (1975).
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2017, 09:41:20 AM »
To be a bit more precise about Magnuson-Moss, he would indeed lose the portion of the warranty that applies to the parts he replaced. The balance of the warranty would remain unaffected.
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2017, 10:20:47 AM »
Of course, it would be a non-OEM part.  :)
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2017, 10:37:40 AM »
I bought a slightly used 2012 Winnebago, i realized it had the "cheap handling fix" after I81 in Pennsylvania.
I do not think the handling was improved but the ride was awful. Put it back in the factory settings, ride was better, handling was improved by a good alignment job, still got rid of it a year ago. Ford was not at all appreciative of the "cheap handling fix", and I figure if they build them there is a chance they know more about them than I do.

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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2017, 12:36:34 PM »
Probably, Ford, would not be appreciative any chassis add-ons - e.g. Blue Ox or Roadmaster Sway Bars/Track Bars, Safety Steer, Air Springs, After Market Shocks, etc. etc., etc.  Hmmmm.
I like my ride and handling with the CHF, Rear TrackBar and air springs.
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2017, 01:51:05 PM »
My Bounder is on a 2015 F15 Chassis, and I recently had it serviced and the dealer found that the bottom bolt on the u-clamp for the rear sway bar driver's side was missing.  First they thought it was something that Fleetwood installed, but when I showed them the Ford logo on the u-clamp, that changed that tune.  They also thought that the bolt is welded on to the housing under the shock absorber, which also turned out not to be true.  Evidentially they do a tack weld on the nut to keep it in place to secure the u-clamp as the housing prevents the nut from being secured using a wrench when installing the bolt through the clamp.  They also used Lock-Tite.  Anyway, there is a five year warranty on this chassis, so they replaced the clamp and bolt at no charge.  Don't know where you are, but the clamp and bolt was readily available that day in Boyertown, PA.  I went on the Bounder Forum to see if anyone else had this was a problem and got no response.  Getting ready for a month or so trip, so will be keeping an eye on it.  Is there a Ford F-53 Forum?  Following are the part numbers for the sway bar items that were replaced.  Don't know if they are the dealer part number or Ford.  1C3Z*54868AA - BRACKET;  9U9Z*5493*A - INSULATOR ASY (BUSHING);  N605815*8439 - BOLT;  W703214*S309 - BOLT - HEX HEAD;  W703217*S440 - NUT.  Hope this info helps.
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1PlasticMan1

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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2017, 01:52:09 PM »
Sorry, meant to say F-53 chassis.  Sorry for the confusion. :-\
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Old Racer

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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2017, 02:35:37 PM »
Probably, Ford, would not be appreciative any chassis add-ons - e.g. Blue Ox or Roadmaster Sway Bars/Track Bars, Safety Steer, Air Springs, After Market Shocks, etc. etc., etc.  Hmmmm.
I like my ride and handling with the CHF, Rear TrackBar and air springs.

Good modifications, but the " cheap handling fix" I referred to was putting the sway bar links in the incorrect hole, which made the ride very rough. This was proclaimed a good idea in several forums. Ford and I both thought it a bad idea, I note you did not mention it.  Of course all the chassis mods and fixes, which should not be necessary in the first place, properly applied, will help. You certainly did not do a "cheap handling fix"!
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1PlasticMan1

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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2017, 05:52:27 PM »
As far as I know, the sway bar position was not moved.  Dealer over two hours from me, and noticed that it seemed to be swaying or rolling on the way down, but had not driven the rig for a few months, thought I was just comparing it to one of my cars.  On the way home, it did not sway or roll like the trip down.  Cheap fixes aren't in my vocabulary.  Really like driving this coach (more than my cars), and want to enjoy it for many more years!
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2017, 06:16:07 AM »
   This is a known problem on this chassis, we have 2015 ACE on an 18000# F-53.  When I first crawled under to look at doing the CHF I saw the driver side rear clamp broken.  My Ford dealer had to order the part and took about a week.  Asked if they would warranty the other side also in case it had been stressed but no go.  They installed the new clamp and when asked said the other side was fine.  When I got the coach home I checked and the other side was finger tight.  So much for Ford knowing what they are doing.
   Did the CHF and love it and have had no problems so doubt if that was the cause of the OP'ers problem.  Another forum with some pretty informed people have figured out how to fix the problem of broken bolts on the clamps.  Remove the bolts one at a time, put "blue Locktite" on the threads and torque to 66 foot pounds.  Jim.

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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2017, 10:24:50 AM »
Drove 172 miles yesterday, and happy to report that all bolts are tight, clamps and bushings in place.
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Re: 2015 F53 sway bar issue
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2017, 06:47:51 PM »
DW and I just returned from a 3000 mile trip to Southwest Colorado,  (26 Vista  F53 chassis)  towing 3 motorcycles.. everything worked very well but the condition of the roads and interstates jarred the microwave loose ..I checked the undercarriage..sway bars  and U bolts and all was good..now I am thinking...would Air Springs help not only my condition, but the OPs U bolts breaking...When the road gets rough,I feel the initial shock may be absorbed by the air spring softening the blow...Has anyone any  thoughts or experience with this set up?...I am ready to order the parts for mine if it helps the ride.....

 

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