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hoss10

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New Truck Question
« on: August 19, 2017, 05:58:33 PM »
Yet another truck question!
I have a 2007 Tundra with the smaller 4.7 motor which has been pulling my Jayfeather 242 (4750 dry weight, 6500 Max.) The old Tundra pulls it great with no issues. The trailer is low and tows well.
While the truck works well it is a little cramped for my wife and I and the two dogs. (Reg. Cab long box). There are some good deals around on new trucks so I have been looking.  As of now the two which look good to me are the Ford F 150 5 litre Supercab, and the GMC Sierra 1500 5.3 Double Cab.  Both are 4 wheel drive with 3.55 (Ford) and 3.42 (Chev) axles.  They have trailer tow package but are not the max. tow option.

I know I'm in the weight limits with these two, but I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with them and any recommendations as to the better performer. Or other ideas.   To get the deals I am limited to existing 2017 models.

Thanks for the help.
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2017, 06:57:31 PM »
Just be sure the payload can handle about a 700-800 pound tongue weight plus passengers and cargo.  With two passengers and a couple dogs you should be OK, but I would look around for the highest payload available in the truck you want.  The actual sticker rating not the brochure BS.  If thhe payload is satisfied everything else "should"
be OK, but do your homework.

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2017, 11:18:06 PM »
What's the cost on each of them?
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2017, 06:49:03 AM »
They are both about the same at @ the low 40 k (I'm in Canada) but the GM will work out cheaper having 0% financing.

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2017, 08:07:11 AM »
Ford pricing is at 2.99% but you can still haggle on the price even with employee pricing, ( i just bought a new truck - im in alberta) they both can also locate what your looking for and both will have a payload around 1400lbs BUT check each truck individually as they can vary ALOT
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2017, 09:21:00 AM »
I know what you mean about varying,  especially with Chev. I have never seen so many different packages and overlapping trims very confusing!

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2017, 09:24:34 AM »
Probably too much trailer for that F150 -- imho: you need to keep the TT under 6000 and closer to 20 feet. Getting max tow and a good WDH would make it work but just barely.

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2017, 01:28:39 PM »
Probably too much trailer for that F150 -- imho: you need to keep the TT under 6000 and closer to 20 feet. Getting max tow and a good WDH would make it work but just barely.
The Tundra 4.7 long box pulls the Jayfeather very well and it has a lower Tailer Tow rating and less torque then either the Ford or GM.  Does the Ford have issues with towing?

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2017, 01:31:57 PM »
I have the 2015 F-150 FX4 Supercab with the 5.0 and 3.55 gears.  It has the towing package.  It's rated for 9,000 lbs towing and 1,840 lbs carry capacity.  It tows my loaded 6,180 lb Winnie Minnie just fine.  It would be a good match for your camper.
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2017, 03:47:57 PM »
The Tundra 4.7 long box pulls the Jayfeather very well and it has a lower Tailer Tow rating and less torque then either the Ford or GM.  Does the Ford have issues with towing?

The newer (2015-17 model years) have issues towing...losing all that body weight does not help when towing heavier trailers as the TT tends to boss around the rear end of the TV. You can check out the f150forum for lots of threads on this. (Note: I understand the 2018's have a beefed up chassis and suspension so Ford may have done something about it but I haven't seen any real-world ride reports on it.)

I now have a similar setup to yours (6500-7000lb 24 foot TT) with a 2016 F150 5L with max tow. I've had to add Timbrens, upgrade the WDH to one with anti-sway, pump up the tires (and may still switch to LT's), put the TV and TT cargo on a diet, and experiment with loading and weight distribution to get it to tow comfortably at Interstate speeds. It had issues towing our previous 6000lb 20 foot TT without these upgrades as the TT could get loose in high winds, over 65 mph, or on bumpy roads whereas our similar 2010 could tow it with a basic WDH. I'd love to be towing the old TT with my current set-up but the floor plan wasn't working for my family.

The 5L (Coyote) engine has more than enough torque once you realize you need to wind her up since it kicks in at over 3500 RPM. In cruise it will drop down into 3rd and even 2nd so you need to get used to 4000+ RPMs and the V8 growl.

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2017, 09:45:22 PM »
Took the boss out today to drive them both.  She liked pretty much everything about the GMC.  I liked the interior and the ride of the F150, much more truck like. But we both found the seat cushions on the Ford very short  and the GMC had more toys for the same price.  The Ford also had big problem with washboard dirt roads, worse case of axle hop I have felt in awhile.

Was impressed with the Chev. transmission (this is just the 6 speed).  When in Tow Haul mode it did a great job of rev. matching downshifts when going down even the smallest hills when you let up on the gas.  This might be my first GM truck after a lifetime of Fords and one Toyota.  I am a little worried  about the dreaded "Chevy Shake" which seems to effect some trucks.

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2017, 10:57:19 PM »
"Chevy Shake"   Never heard of it and I've owned three of them.

What is it?
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2017, 11:02:11 PM »
"Chevy Shake"   Never heard of it and I've owned three of them.

What is it?

Well according to some Forums and a few reviews some GM trucks of this version  have a shake at speed of 60mph or so, which they don't seem to able to fix.

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2017, 07:41:09 AM »
After 17 chevys in a row i just bought a new f350 dually for a change of pace never had nor heard of this "shake" thing you speak of.
So far so good with my new ford though, only time will tell if its up to my old chevs
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2017, 08:15:31 AM »
I just got back from a 17 day 4000 mile 8 State vacation.  FWIW I have a 2014 chevy 1500 with the max tow package.  I pull a 26' approximately 7000lb TT using a simple Curt WD hitch.  My trip went from Michigan out to Colorado then up to Wyoming and back.  Round trip average was 10.1 mpg.  Going through the Big horn mountains in Wyoming was probably the toughest hills of the trip but the truck handled it well.  The biggest change I'd like to make is ditch the factory p-metric tires for some LT's.  Oh and no chevy shake for me.
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2017, 09:09:25 AM »
There a numerous videos on YouTube showing the "Chevy shake" along with videos demonstrating possible solutions.
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2017, 10:58:45 AM »
I just got back from a 17 day 4000 mile 8 State vacation.  FWIW I have a 2014 chevy 1500 with the max tow package.  I pull a 26' approximately 7000lb TT using a simple Curt WD hitch.  My trip went from Michigan out to Colorado then up to Wyoming and back.  Round trip average was 10.1 mpg.  Going through the Big horn mountains in Wyoming was probably the toughest hills of the trip but the truck handled it well.  The biggest change I'd like to make is ditch the factory p-metric tires for some LT's.  Oh and no chevy shake for me.

Do you have the  5.3 with the 6 speed?  I am debating on the max. tow package  it is hard to find in a 2017.  My trailer is smaller then yours I think.  I totally agree about the LT tires I put them on the Tundra and stopped worrying,  although I don't think  I would go with the Michilien LT MS2 again they are a little too stiff. (10 plies) When the weight distribution is on they can be pretty jarring.

I might be going the other way Steve I have never owned a GM truck.

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2017, 07:34:28 AM »
Hoss - i would look into  a 2500 even if its a gasser solid solid truck which will do you just fine untill you want to move up to a large 5er then its 3500 deisel all the way. But the other reason i say a 2500 is payload and there are i ton of 2500s available, i just bought a Ford because i needed to change things up (personal - time ) i would buy a chevy again in a heartbeat
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2017, 08:35:13 AM »
Do you have the  5.3 with the 6 speed?  I am debating on the max. tow package  it is hard to find in a 2017.  My trailer is smaller then yours I think.  I totally agree about the LT tires I put them on the Tundra and stopped worrying,  although I don't think  I would go with the Michilien LT MS2 again they are a little too stiff. (10 plies) When the weight distribution is on they can be pretty jarring.

I might be going the other way Steve I have never owned a GM truck.

Yes 5.3 and 6 speed.  You are right the max tow is hard to find.  I spent 6 months looking and only found 3 in my area.  2 were brand new loaded LTZ's for about $65K.  Mine was a year old dealer demo. Loaded LT with less than 8K on it.  I traded in a 2001 GMC 2500 Duramax for the half ton.  No regrets.  Half ton trucks have come a long way.
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2017, 09:21:08 AM »
Do the GM's have any emission system related issues?  I have not heard any problems with the Ford's in that regard.

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2017, 09:28:27 AM »
The only emmisions issues were with the Duramax pre 2015 and that was/is DEF heater core which is still covered by GM
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2017, 09:35:36 AM »
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2017, 09:59:46 AM »
Just curious as to why you are not looking at another Tundra also?
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2017, 10:18:13 AM »
A good friend just got a 2018 Nissan Titan with a Cummins engine......beautiful and quiet!  It was almost as big as my 2500 Ram......

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2017, 06:14:09 PM »
A good friend just got a 2018 Nissan Titan with a Cummins engine......beautiful and quiet!  It was almost as big as my 2500 Ram......

Too bad the payload is only about 1100 lbs the interior is steller 
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2017, 06:31:48 PM »
Too bad the payload is only about 1100 lbs the interior is steller

Ding, Ding, Ding........we have a winnah!  They are nice trucks for sure, but the payload, or should I say the lack of payload is a deal breaker for most trailers.
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2017, 06:39:26 PM »
Ding, Ding, Ding........we have a winnah!  They are nice trucks for sure, but the payload, or should I say the lack of payload is a deal breaker for most trailers.

That's sad. The payload n my Frontier is 1380#.
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2017, 06:42:13 PM »
Too bad the payload is only about 1100 lbs the interior is steller

As I have said in the past, who in their right mind would spend that much money for a diesel truck that can't haul enough to even come close to needing a diesel? 

My money can be put to better use.

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2017, 07:11:14 PM »
"I bought too much truck" said no trailer towing RVer ever.   ;)

I bought an F250 to tow a 7,000# Arctic Fox.  Then five years later bought a 10,000# Montana and didn't have to buy a new truck.

Buy a truck that can tow your next two trailers.
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2017, 09:10:39 PM »
"I bought too much truck" said no trailer towing RVer ever.   ;)

I bought an F250 to tow a 7,000# Arctic Fox.  Then five years later bought a 10,000# Montana and didn't have to buy a new truck.

Buy a truck that can tow your next two trailers.


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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2017, 09:38:25 PM »
Have you looked  at the ram trucks at all?  a 2500 with the diesel will pull most 5th wheels if you decide to move up. I had a 1500 hemi to tow a 22ft north trail.  should have gotten a bigger truck because DW and I fell in love with a 5er,  needed to up grade to the diesel.

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2017, 09:43:23 PM »
Have you looked  at the ram trucks at all?  a 2500 with the diesel will pull most 5th wheels if you decide to move up. I had a 1500 hemi to tow a 22ft north trail.  should have gotten a bigger truck because DW and I fell in love with a 5er,  needed to up grade to the diesel.

A Ram 2500 along with any 2500 is still limited in its payload (5er pin wieght ) great for a TT but not a 5er
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2017, 10:53:21 PM »
A Ram 2500 along with any 2500 is still limited in its payload (5er pin wieght ) great for a TT but not a 5er

I guess they don't make trucks the way they used to. Back when we were fulltiming, 1998-2004, we had a Dodge 2500 single cab 2wd with 5.9 Cummins, 5 speed standard, DANA 80 rear end. I added a PAC brake, Jake break whatever you want to call it. Payload was rated at 3900#. I had no problem pulling our 36', triple slide, triple axle 5th wheel. When I hooked up the trucks rear end didn't budge an inch. So, are the trucks today not as strong as they used to be? And why do I see so many folks with 4wd trucks (I have one because they did not have a 2wd on the lot).
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2017, 11:27:41 PM »
 Perhaps it's the lawyers and liability issues making them underrate them.
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2017, 12:14:54 AM »
I own a 2015 F-150 5.0l 3.31 axle super crew. I have put 88,000 miles on it already without any problems. I pull a Sporttrek 320 VIK with with no issues at all. Truck has great power and goes over 300 miles with the 36 gallon extended range fuel tank.

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2017, 05:01:34 AM »
I guess they don't make trucks the way they used to. Back when we were fulltiming, 1998-2004, we had a Dodge 2500 single cab 2wd with 5.9 Cummins, 5 speed standard, DANA 80 rear end. I added a PAC brake, Jake break whatever you want to call it. Payload was rated at 3900#. I had no problem pulling our 36', triple slide, triple axle 5th wheel. When I hooked up the trucks rear end didn't budge an inch. So, are the trucks today not as strong as they used to be? And why do I see so many folks with 4wd trucks (I have one because they did not have a 2wd on the lot).

they still do make them like that BUT you have to order it and they are very rare breeds most trucks today are crew cabs 4x4 loaded with features etc etc all things that take away from payload

configure one you will see
https://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/

actual payload is ALWAYS lower than what you will see on the website too because of options that are added
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« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2017, 05:42:12 AM »
Have you looked  at the ram trucks at all?  a 2500 with the diesel will pull most 5th wheels if you decide to move up. I had a 1500 hemi to tow a 22ft north trail.  should have gotten a bigger truck because DW and I fell in love with a 5er,  needed to up grade to the diesel.

All 3/4 Ton truck's are greatly limited for towing 5vers, except for some of the smaller ones, and the ultra light type.  The biggest issue with them is twofold.  First, they are no more than 10K GVWR.  Secondly, their payloads are often in the 2K range +/- a bit.  Plan on somewhere around 2K if buying a crew cab with 4 wheel drive and diesel.  Obviously more if a gasser, 2 wheel drive regular cab.  So, to say that a 2500 with a diesel will pull most 5th wheelers is totally wrong.  Most of the time the 20% pin weight of the 5ver will overload the 3/4Ton truck pretty quickly, payload wise..
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2017, 05:45:08 AM »
they still do make them like that BUT you have to order it and they are very rare breeds most trucks today are crew cabs 4x4 loaded with features etc etc all things that take away from payload

configure one you will see
https://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/

actual payload is ALWAYS lower than what you will see on the website too because of options that are added

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2017, 05:50:31 AM »
I guess they don't make trucks the way they used to. Back when we were fulltiming, 1998-2004, we had a Dodge 2500 single cab 2wd with 5.9 Cummins, 5 speed standard, DANA 80 rear end. I added a PAC brake, Jake break whatever you want to call it. Payload was rated at 3900#. I had no problem pulling our 36', triple slide, triple axle 5th wheel. When I hooked up the trucks rear end didn't budge an inch. So, are the trucks today not as strong as they used to be? And why do I see so many folks with 4wd trucks (I have one because they did not have a 2wd on the lot).

2wd & single cab is about the only way to get that much payload with a 3/4.
Most people today faint at the thought of not having an extended cab.

My 4wd F250 has a 3500# payload, but is a regular cab, and I'm good with it.
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2017, 05:54:40 AM »
Too bad the payload is only about 1100 lbs the interior is steller 

My 2015 Explorer has a payload of 1575#. Better than a bunch of 1/2 ton pickups.
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2017, 07:26:43 AM »
Just curious as to why you are not looking at another Tundra also?

The 5.7 is a gas hog, and it almost seems Toyota has given up on Trucks very little change from 2007 to now.  Mine has been very reliable.

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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2017, 08:33:33 AM »
"And why do I see so many folks with 4wd trucks (I have one because they did not have a 2wd on the lot)."
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« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2017, 08:58:53 AM »
"And why do I see so many folks with 4wd trucks (I have one because they did not have a 2wd on the lot)."
  Minnesota

Probably a better question would be, why do we see so many 3/4 Ton truck owners pulling 5vers that have their truck's...OMG overloaded?  The short answer is this.
1.  They don't have a clue about towing capacities, GVWRs,  Axle weight ratings, Combined weight ratings, payload capacity for their truck.
2.  They don't care!  Someone told them that their truck would be just fine towing a particular trailer and they were willing  to accept that as the gospel truth, without researching the numbers for themselves...Lazy!
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Re: New Truck Question
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2017, 09:27:04 AM »
I was at a campground a few weeks ago and there was a huge 5W parked behind a F250 extended cab.  It was a diesel, so I'm sure it had more then enough power, but can all but guarantee it would be overloaded.  I was eager to take a picture when they loaded it up to share, but they packed up while we were out.   :(

 

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