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FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« on: August 21, 2017, 07:17:20 PM »
The September digital edition of Family Motor Coaching magazine is now on line.  In this edition is the ballot to change the FMCA constitution to abandon the motorcoach only requirement for membership.  The entire change in wording is published in the magazine. 

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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2017, 07:57:44 AM »
I can remember when Class A drivers were pissed over Class C's being admitted.. This .. May be a fireworks display.. I have no comment beyond that at this time.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2017, 08:06:01 AM »
I can remember when Class A drivers were pissed over Class C's being admitted.. This .. May be a fireworks display.. I have no comment beyond that at this time.

Me too!

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However, with the current (RVing )trends they need to adapt or be relegated to increasing irrelevance

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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 08:46:08 AM »
I agree.  I'm not sure where I stand yet but I think they are looking at shrinking numbers with only motorhomes and trying to attract additional revenue.  Seems like many people aren't attracted by some of the offerings such as mail service, coach relocation, etc as in years past.  Wonder what, if any, benefits will be changing if they allow towables.

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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 09:21:56 AM »
My concern is this will take the emphasis off motorhomes, and motorhome specific issues, and turn it into another Good Sam's style RV club, just one that is inferior to Good Sam's.  While there are commonalities between Towables and Motorhomes, there are also significant differences, and I feel it is important to cater to those motorhome specific needs.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2017, 09:39:35 AM »
My concern is this will take the emphasis off motorhomes, and motorhome specific issues, and turn it into another Good Sam's style RV club, just one that is inferior to Good Sam's.  While there are commonalities between Towables and Motorhomes, there are also significant differences, and I feel it is important to cater to those motorhome specific needs.
I would agree.  I would probably drop out if they allow towables. 
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2017, 10:25:00 AM »
My concern is this will take the emphasis off motorhomes, and motorhome specific issues, and turn it into another Good Sam's style RV club, just one that is inferior to Good Sam's.  While there are commonalities between Towables and Motorhomes, there are also significant differences, and I feel it is important to cater to those motorhome specific needs.

These are my thoughts as well.


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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2017, 10:47:30 AM »
You don't want to rub shoulders with us peasants? ;D

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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2017, 10:54:50 AM »
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My concern is this will take the emphasis off motorhomes, and motorhome specific issues, and turn it into another Good Sam's style RV club,

I think that is a given if it is opened up to the entire RVing community. Whether it would be inferior or superior remains to be determined, but there is a fundamental difference in that FMCA is a non-profit owned by its members while GS is a for-profit business operated for the benefit of its stockholders rather than for RVers.

For FMCA, it boils down to survival. They cannot afford the infrastructure and services they want to provide with the declining membership. If they have to cut services, they lose even more members. They have not been successful attracting younger MH buyers, so hoping to do better with towable owners. Widening the market is bound to help some, but may not be sufficient for the need. If many MH owners don't feel the need for FMCA services & benefits, why will towable owners feel any different? Especially since their demographics are much like the MH owners who do NOT choose FMCA (younger, family-oriented, etc).

FMCA has also suffered a major financial setback with the declining revenue from their excellent magazine. It used to provide a strong revenue stream that was used to fund extra services, but advertising is way down as buyers flock to the internet for info and the manufacturers concentrate their ad budget on interactive media. FMCA's print magazine is probably doomed, just like most other print media.

Since we no longer own an RV or belong to FMCA, our dog isn't in this fight. In my opinion, though, adding towables won't really solve any problem for FMCA. However, it might be good for RVing to have an honest competitor for GS, and RV owners surely could use a voice that speaks for them rather than for improved profits in the RV industry. The latter, however, means that FMCA would have to become much more proactive in RV affairs, a role they have previously shunned.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2017, 10:56:00 AM »
You don't want to rub shoulders with us peasants? ;D

I never thought that way when I owned a trailer.
I would think they should start a separate "organization" for towables. I thought that before I owned a motorhome, and still think that way. Also, I am not a member, so my opinion really doesn't count.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2017, 11:00:51 AM »
For what it's worth, we own a motorhome but never felt any desire to join FMCA.

Membership is down in all the clubs. More people are buying campers, but fewer are joining camping organizations. That's unfortunate, because clubs are a great source of information and fellowship, especially for newbies.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2017, 01:01:40 PM »
Too bad you have to be an FMCA member to view any of the magazine articles. I would have been  interested in seeing how they presented the reasons for admitting towables.

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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2017, 01:14:12 PM »

Our ballot, checked NO, is in the mail back to OH.

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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2017, 01:15:42 PM »
Our ballot, checked NO, is in the mail back to OH.

Would it be unreasonable to ask why you voted "no"?
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2017, 01:22:13 PM »
I will be voting against the measure.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2017, 01:26:54 PM »
Would it be unreasonable to ask why you voted "no"?

Sure

The information on the purchase, maintenance and operation of Class A motohomes is diluted enough due to the huge number of makes and models.
Accurate and concise information from any rv website is akin to finding small gold nuggets in a bucket of gravel due to the number of anecdotal posts and post replies.

If RV's of all classifications were included, FMCA would become a muddled mess, as are some other generic RV websites and clubs. This is not snobbishness on our part, it's that we don't have the time to read, listen and absorb information pertaining to poptops, campers, TT, fivers, hybrids etc. The brain is too full of info now.

We would support membership fee increase to sustain this association as it is now.

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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2017, 01:29:32 PM »
Thank you for the response.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2017, 02:15:55 PM »
I can see from some of these responses that I would not be welcomed at all so with that, I would never join. I didn't know that some peoples crap doesn't stink and that they put their pants on differently than me.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2017, 03:30:12 PM »

I would think they should start a separate "organization" for towables.
There may be some merit to that idea!

I remember some comments in our Montana owners club about the "arrogance" associated around the FMCA, especially at the gas pump for some reason.  I never understood it.   When we had 5ers and trailers, I never gave another thought to the FMCA, because I knew I didn't belong in it.  I don't have an airplane so I don't belong in the AOPA either.  Now that we have a MH it was fun to join and be a part of it.

I enjoy the FMCA history and charter, and I would support thinning the program benefits before trying to make it fit everyone.  If it just can't be done, let the FMCA die and reside in history and start a new group.  We can store the podium out in the scrap yard with Stonewall Jackson's and Robert E Lee's statues.  The young are forming the world how they want it and I'm too old to care.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2017, 07:00:33 PM »
There may be some merit to that idea!

I remember some comments in our Montana owners club about the "arrogance" associated around the FMCA, especially at the gas pump for some reason.  I never understood it.   When we had 5ers and trailers, I never gave another thought to the FMCA, because I knew I didn't belong in it.  I don't have an airplane so I don't belong in the AOPA either.  Now that we have a MH it was fun to join and be a part of it.

I enjoy the FMCA history and charter, and I would support thinning the program benefits before trying to make it fit everyone.  If it just can't be done, let the FMCA die and reside in history and start a new group.  We can store the podium out in the scrap yard with Stonewall Jackson's and Robert E Lee's statues.  The young are forming the world how they want it and I'm too old to care.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2017, 07:54:06 PM »
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2017, 07:57:02 PM »
This YouTube video may be of interest to those who cannot read articles on the FMCA website or magazine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ23izksue8
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2017, 03:09:45 PM »
Thanks, Gary, comments are interesting.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2017, 03:18:13 PM »
The question that comes to mind when reading this post is how many owners of travel trailers and fifth wheels are going to join, and stay in an organization knowing that a lot current members dont want them in the organization?
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2017, 03:27:09 PM »
and in other news.... Looks like the Boy Scouts of America will admit Girls soon.

Same news, different channel
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2017, 03:30:18 PM »
and in other news.... Looks like the Boy Scouts of America will admit Girls soon.

Same news, different channel

Is the Boy Scouts seeing a decline in membership?  I guess it wouldnt surprise me.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2017, 03:43:55 PM »
I never joined FMCA because I don't like joining groups. It seems like the larger any group becomes the more important the group becomes and the reason for the group becomes less important. Every group ends up with officers, dues, committees and study groups. Then every decision is labeled as "political". I have better things to do than to belong to self serving groups. This RV forum is about the closest I want to get to joining a group.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2017, 04:00:21 PM »
I never joined FMCA because I don't like joining groups. It seems like the larger any group becomes the more important the group becomes and the reason for the group becomes less important. Every group ends up with officers, dues, committees and study groups. Then every decision is labeled as "political". I have better things to do than to belong to self serving groups. This RV forum is about the closest I want to get to joining a group.

Tom, I used to be of the same mind, but in the past few years I have joined the FMCA, the FMCA 4 Wheelers, a local Jeep Club and I have discovered a new world. People on this forum who belong to the same FMCA groups have welcomed Susan and I with open arms, and in turn we have enjoyed being able to associate with them. I have met people herein and made many lasting memories, I selfishly admit that I am a willing benefactor of their hospitality.   

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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2017, 04:04:10 PM »
I understand your point John, I just don't need a whole new world. I love the one I have.
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Re: FMCA ballot to abandon motorhome only requirement
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2017, 04:06:08 PM »
When we bought our first RV, the first organization we joined was the RV Forum, then FMCA and then our local RV club. Being retired and living in AZ, we were sunbirds and most timers; generally taking off in early spring and not returning till early fall. We would plan our summer trips around FMCA chapter, area and national rallies and conventions and RV Forum rallies. Moab always started the summer for us.

Over the years, we developed great relationships with people in FMCA and became BFF with RVers that we saw once or twice a year at the rallies. We found no distinction in the fun and friendliness within our local RV club, in spite of the range of RVs from a popup to a Newell, just like we have had with the Framily.

During our years in FMCA, I was active in chapter, area and the national organization and was involved in the effect of the changes over the last 15 years. When we joined in 1998 there were over 120,000 family memberships active. When we sold our coach in 2013, it was under 90,000 and dropping. And as noted above, magazine revenues were falling even faster. Many of the benefits that were available or were added were paid for, in large part, by the magazine income. The value of FMCA membership benefits was well in excess of the annual dues. But over time, the commitment of people was changing with the demographics. People were no longer "joiners" and didn't volunteer. Discussions about relaxing participation by non-coach RVers began about 2010 or 2011. I'm surprised it took this long to come to grips with it.
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