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Author Topic: 2001 Bounder with 5.9 ISB, Area Diesel module....  (Read 289 times)

BartandJulie

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2001 Bounder with 5.9 ISB, Area Diesel module....
« on: August 21, 2017, 10:12:45 PM »
Albeit an older coach, I'm hoping someone may have some info regarding an upgrade I'm thinking about.
Stock the ISB has 275hp and 660 ft/lbs of torque in front of an Allison 3060.

Area Diesel has a module that plugs into the VP44 injector pump (plug and play harness).
The module alters some parameters that can provide up to 20% increase in performance, this pending on the load placed on the engine. Also claimed in an increase in fuel mileage apparently due to slight altering of the timing.

So at 20% this would be 330hp and 790 ft/lbs of torque. Well below max torque limit on the Allison, but above the HP limit.

Does anyone have any experience with this module from Area Diesel? Or have any other experience with engine upgrades on this older ISB?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Bart
« Last Edit: August 21, 2017, 10:30:26 PM by Sun2Retire »

Gary RV_Wizard

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Re: 2001 Bounder with 5.9 ISB, Area Diesel module....
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2017, 08:59:25 AM »
I would take those claims for increased performance with several grains of salt. Notice is says "up to 20%", not a flat guarantee of 20%.  And ignore the mpg claim altogether.  Not saying there won't be any performance improvement at all, but beware of the hype. I don't think you need worry much about getting that 330 hp. Plus I suspect the Allison 3060 could handle it on your motorhome, even though it stretches the rating a bit. That's just conjecture, but the motorhome application is considered light duty by Allison.

Which "module" product are you talking about, and what evidence do they have to back up their claims? E.g. horsepower & torque curves from dyno testing. And is the engine & vehicle tested the same as yours? Diesels are configured differently for different applications and some can benefit more (or less) than others from a given technique. The 5.9L in a Dodge pick-up is a somewhat different animal than the "same" 5.9L engine in a motorhome. Air and fuel systems differ, as do transmissions and rear axle gearing.
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BartandJulie

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Re: 2001 Bounder with 5.9 ISB, Area Diesel module....
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2017, 10:01:28 AM »
https://areadieselservice.com/diesel-power-products/product/20300/

This is the module i'm looking at. Although listed for the Dodge Trucks, they have told me it is 100% compatible with the Bounder ISB 24V with VP44 pump. I suspect this is due to it plugging into the pump directly.
I've asked for some charts to show hp and torque.

Bart

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Re: 2001 Bounder with 5.9 ISB, Area Diesel module....
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 12:16:19 PM »
I sure it is "compatible", but that doesn't necessarily mean the same benefits.

3-4 mpg improvement would be a 40-50% boost for your motorhome. Is that really credible? And that "20k load" they reference is the everyday weight of your coach, not a once in awhile thing.

But with a 30 day satisfaction guarantee and relatively simple plug & play, you can give it a try. Just make sure you give it a good work out within that 30 days.
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Re: 2001 Bounder with 5.9 ISB, Area Diesel module....
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 12:26:05 PM »
I would try the local Cummins shop to get their advice. There's a good chance that they may be able to "turn it up" for you.
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Re: 2001 Bounder with 5.9 ISB, Area Diesel module....
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2017, 12:47:13 PM »
Your motorhome likely uses twice as much fuel as a pickup with the same engine so at the most you'll gain half as many mpgs as a pickup with the same engine.

If simply changing the timing can give those kinds of gains, you have to wonder why the factory didn't do it.  They're not dummies.  It must produce a corresponding drawback in another area.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2017, 12:52:27 PM by Lou Schneider »

BartandJulie

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Re: 2001 Bounder with 5.9 ISB, Area Diesel module....
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2017, 03:34:39 PM »
They have not been able to produce any charts/graphs of sorts to see a "before and after' comparison. Until then I'll sit tight.
Grant it I'm not looking for huge numbers...

Right now it's quite "flat" on initial takeoff. It won't add fuel until the turbo spools up, but the turbo wont spool without adding fuel.....(no black smoke....)
My hope was that this module could provide the extra "squirt" to get things moving...

Bart

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Re: 2001 Bounder with 5.9 ISB, Area Diesel module....
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2017, 06:20:24 PM »
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My hope was that this module could provide the extra "squirt" to get things moving...

That "extra squirt" isn't going to do a lot to overcome the inertia of the turbo -- it takes time to go from still to thousands of RPM. Airplanes, diesels, gas-burners, truck, car or motorhome, that turbo takes a little time to spool up.
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Re: 2001 Bounder with 5.9 ISB, Area Diesel module....
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2017, 11:49:29 AM »
If its turbo-lag that bothers you, get a supercharger!  But I think that's not a major factor. Inertia is the killer - you are getting a lot of weight underway.  Your tach probably shows the engine rpms climbing quickly to the max hp/torque arena, but the coach ain't moving much yet.
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BartandJulie

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Re: 2001 Bounder with 5.9 ISB, Area Diesel module....
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2017, 07:19:02 PM »
Just drove my in-laws "new" to them MH. Its an "00 Holiday Rambler Endeavor with a 7.2 cat in it. It gets up and goes....makes sense, more displacement more grunt...

I'll stick with what I've got and learn to be patient....
Did get back info on the Area Diesel module...may still go that route.

 

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