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RV Wreck
« on: August 31, 2017, 06:10:08 PM »
Video of and travel trailer wreck,
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=daa_1504165064

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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2017, 07:25:09 PM »
Another example of driving too darn fast.
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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2017, 09:57:16 PM »
And while you are at it, put something nice and heavy way on the back bumper, that will add to the fun and excitement!!!!!

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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2017, 08:49:47 AM »
And while you are at it, put something nice and heavy way on the back bumper, that will add to the fun and excitement!!!!!

And when your TT already has its axles centered to make it tongue light...yikes! I just hope the passengers were OK.

P.S. I'd guess his bumper wasn't even rated to carry that much weight so it was an accident in waiting.

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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2017, 12:10:31 PM »
I am sorry for them.  However, I am surprised that there are not more accidents like this. Too many people don't have the patience to pull a TT or FW at speeds that could avoid many of the accidents.  We move at 60 mph and many of our RV friends pass us like we are doing 40 mph.  It is sad.  People don't understand that the fact that the unit can go faster doesn't mean it can be safe.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2017, 01:03:40 PM »
I am sorry for them.  However, I am surprised that there are not more accidents like this. Too many people don't have the patience to pull a TT or FW at speeds that could avoid many of the accidents.  We move at 60 mph and many of our RV friends pass us like we are doing 40 mph.  It is sad.  People don't understand that the fact that the unit can go faster doesn't mean it can be safe.

Why feel sorry for stupidity. I feel sorry for the passengers but not the idiot driver.
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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2017, 02:45:15 PM »
Why is it CA is the only state that mandates ALL vehicles towing a trailer - the Speed Limit is 55mph?

That should be Nationwide IMO.
There would be so many less wrecks.  Sometimes it's true that Speed Kills.

Funny thing in that video is I never saw him trying to slow down.  Isn't that one reason that the brake controller have a manual
brake lever so when the trailer starts to sway you can activate the trailer brakes to help prevent what we saw in the video?
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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2017, 03:16:41 PM »
He must have been doing 75mph, possibly more.  Towing a nice long trailer with added bumper weight,  a light truck (or SUV), what could go wrong?  But hey, the salesman said it was OK.

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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2017, 03:54:44 PM »
Why is it CA is the only state that mandates ALL vehicles towing a trailer - the Speed Limit is 55mph?

They are not. Most people, INCLUDING MOST LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS do not know the law all that well. but in many states if you are a 'Consist' (Semi truck, Car/Trailer, Truck Trailer) it's all the lower "Trucks" speed limit
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2017, 05:16:27 PM »
in Arizona it is legal tow a trailer 65 mph.....so that means everyone goes 70 and slows down a bit when they see a cop.

That film looked like AZ.

about half the states it is legal to tow 65 mph.
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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2017, 09:48:50 PM »
Passing a semi truck with a van trailer is dangerous. The pressure between a camper trailer and the truck's trailer is lower than the outside of the trailers. That causes the trailers to be pushed together enough that instability can occur. That's the likely cause of this crash, not just speed. Semi truck drivers know about this, but not camper trailer tow-er's. Ever notice that trucks don't drive at speed next to each other?

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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2017, 10:09:14 PM »
it's more likely that semi truck was already driving the max speed...and the guy towing the rv couldn't stand it being behind a semi truck.

IMO>   it was impatience and speed that caused all that.
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2017, 11:52:40 PM »
The video shows the trucks speed and it looks like the trailer was going nearly 10 MPH faster,  Somewhere between 75 & 80 MPH.
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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2017, 05:34:21 AM »
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Ever notice that trucks don't drive at speed next to each other?

No. I can't count how many times on the interstate I've seen one truck passing another with no more than a mile an hour speed difference, and sometimes even seesawing back and forth as they go up and down hills, thus being side by side for a few miles.

I have noticed that most truckers, unless they are passing a lot of vehicles in a row, tend to remain in the right hand lane, which is what the law often asks for anyway.
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2017, 06:49:44 AM »
MO - same as a lot of other YouTube videos.  As setup with professional drivers, demonstrationg, or recording, a stunt.  Chances of a semi driver having a dash cam going in advance of a wreck, like that, not very high.  No brakes, or evidence of slow down?  Lots of time to recover from that "sway".  Stunt drivers get paid very well for doing those things.
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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2017, 07:01:48 AM »
MO - same as a lot of other YouTube videos.  As setup with professional drivers, demonstrationg, or recording, a stunt.  Chances of a semi driver having a dash cam going in advance of a wreck, like that, not very high.  No brakes, or evidence of slow down?  Lots of time to recover from that "sway".  Stunt drivers get paid very well for doing those things.
Dash cams run the entire time the vehicle is in motion. Saving any section just requires pushing a button after the fact. This is not a set up or a stunt driver, this is real life.
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2017, 07:58:18 AM »
Dash cams run the entire time the vehicle is in motion. Saving any section just requires pushing a button after the fact. This is not a set up or a stunt driver, this is real life.

Yup.  Just an opinion.
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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2017, 08:08:07 AM »
Anybody know if the occupants were killed or injured.
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2017, 01:01:29 PM »
Anybody know if the occupants were killed or injured.
Again - no details, accident report or anything other than a video clip.  I don't place a lot of faith in internet videos.  I've seen and witnessed too many setups that will misguide most folks.
So, for me to believe in that video, I would need some more info.

Liveleak.com just doesn't seem like a really good source to me, and I wouldn't put forth the effort to try and verify that video.
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2017, 01:13:01 PM »
Mighty expensive stunt, if it is a set up Why waste the money and time for no payback.
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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2017, 01:28:02 PM »
They were going downhill. Truck had his jake on before and while being passed. TT may have been pushing pickup.



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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2017, 02:00:35 PM »
It is all clear to me now, this was all a prank probably done by a bunch of teenagers. They simply hired an 18 wheeler and a guy with a CDL, then bought a GoPro and set it up. Then they paid a stunt driver to risk life and limb driving a rented SUV pulling a trailer that was purchased just so it could be wrecked. Then they got the cops to close down a few miles of highway and staged this whole stunt. Of course there is no way for anyone to make money off of this clip so they were just doing it to kill time. Those crazy teens. ;D
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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2017, 07:40:42 PM »
Here's the guy who reordered the video posted to Youtube
Says " Interstate 82 East Bound at the 9 Mile Marker in Washington State. I'm fully loaded at 104,000 lbs with rebar on a set of doubles. Dad and his two kids were ok "

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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2017, 07:54:22 PM »
the truck and trailer speed law in Washington is 60 mph.   So everyone was speeding.

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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2017, 08:51:46 AM »
MO - same as a lot of other YouTube videos.  As setup with professional drivers, demonstrationg, or recording, a stunt.  Chances of a semi driver having a dash cam going in advance of a wreck, like that, not very high.  No brakes, or evidence of slow down?  Lots of time to recover from that "sway".  Stunt drivers get paid very well for doing those things.

Glad we have experts to analyze these things for us.  But this expert evidently never heard of dash cams that run constantly in trucks and RVs so as to be able to prove what happened should an accident occur.  Stunt drivers huh?  Hope you were just kidding.

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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2017, 11:06:29 AM »
Glad we have experts to analyze these things for us.  But this expert evidently never heard of dash cams that run constantly in trucks and RVs so as to be able to prove what happened should an accident occur.  Stunt drivers huh?  Hope you were just kidding.

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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2017, 08:17:29 PM »
We have dash cams in both cars and the MH. They run all the time when the motor is running. No big deal.
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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2017, 10:54:38 PM »
Why is it CA is the only state that mandates ALL vehicles towing a trailer - the Speed Limit is 55mph?

That should be Nationwide IMO.
There would be so many less wrecks.  Sometimes it's true that Speed Kills.

Funny thing in that video is I never saw him trying to slow down.  Isn't that one reason that the brake controller have a manual
brake lever so when the trailer starts to sway you can activate the trailer brakes to help prevent what we saw in the video?
  Sorry I feel just the opposite, 55 has caused a lot of accidents in my opinion, now I'm not saying if the speed limit is 80 that you tow at 80 but 65 is good in my situation, as a matter of fact, I tow at 62 in California now and the CHP goes by paying no attention.
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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2017, 05:06:52 AM »
Here is a list of the top 25 reasons for automotive accidents. Speed is number two on the list. Actually going the speed limit did not make the list. I always drive 55 on the freeways and I have never had an accident. I feel if there is no one near you it becomes very difficult to have an accident. So I don't tailgate anyone and I let no one tailgate me. No one drives next to me. Towing and speeding is just plain crazy.

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« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2017, 06:21:16 AM »
Here is a list of the top 25 reasons for automotive accidents. Speed is number two on the list. Actually going the speed limit did not make the list. I always drive 55 on the freeways and I have never had an accident. I feel if there is no one near you it becomes very difficult to have an accident. So I don't tailgate anyone and I let no one tailgate me. No one drives next to me. Towing and speeding is just plain crazy.

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Have to smile Tom.  You live in Florida and always drive 55?  Most are going 45 and not looking in their rear view mirrors to see the carnage behind them.............lol

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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2017, 08:37:57 AM »
  Sorry I feel just the opposite, 55 has caused a lot of accidents in my opinion, now I'm not saying if the speed limit is 80 that you tow at 80 but 65 is good in my situation, as a matter of fact, I tow at 62 in California now and the CHP goes by paying no attention.
You can drive an Rv towing anything you want, going any speed you want in CA.

The CHP will never pull over an Rv because that driver very likely does not have the prober license to drive that large motor home or tow that large 5th wheel trailer.   So now they have to tow it off if the freeway and impound it.

Speed and lane enforcement is only done on Comercial vehicles. 
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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2017, 12:39:58 PM »
RIIIIIGHT!! ;D

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« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2017, 12:42:30 PM »
You can drive an Rv towing anything you want, going any speed you want in CA.

The CHP will never pull over an Rv because that driver very likely does not have the prober license to drive that large motor home or tow that large 5th wheel trailer.   So now they have to tow it off if the freeway and impound it.

Speed and lane enforcement is only done on Comercial vehicles.
Crazy post, I have been pulled over in an RV in California.
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« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2017, 03:23:07 PM »
Been driving trucks in CA for over 40 years...the only time I've ever seen an rv pulled over,  was a class C that was going 70 mph pulling a trailer in the Diamond lane. 

You can see motorhomes with a toad going 70 in the #2 or fast lane every day.    But If you ever get near the fast lane in a 3 axle commercial truck it's an instant $400 ticket.  I got one in the #2 lane, and asked the CHP why he lets RVs do it...and he said "Because You should know better".   ???

An off duty CHP once told me....yes, the possibility of having to impound the RV weighs into the decision of who gets pulled over. It will tie you up for several hours if he doesn't have a license.

it even happens when they take an "out of state" RV in for a VIN inspection.  If the CA driver that brought the RV in for inspection does not have a proper license for that size RV...he can not drive it home. 

I would be willing to bet that in the states that require a "non-comercial CDL license" for over 26k motorhomes and trailers over 10k .        The majority of RV owners are "unlicensed".


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Re: RV Wreck
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2017, 04:04:17 PM »
We always drive 56 or 57 when in CA, OR or WA. Its simply not safe otherwise.

btw: I was horrified at the number of cars that wizzed by that stopped truck.
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« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2017, 07:51:16 PM »
Crazy post, I have been pulled over in an RV in California.

and what were you pulled over for..  did you get a ticket ?

Was there even a RV-CDL license requirement back then ?   

Up until a couple years ago a car (class C) license would allow you to drive any vehicle that is an RV.
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« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2017, 09:40:55 PM »
Hate see that stuff.  On the way home just today got passed  by a guy pulling an Imagine Grand design, about 30foot long.  He was pulling it with an ram 1500, no sway control and driving like a nut.  Switched lanes 4 times in a mile and the trailer was swaying the entire time, partly because of his driving and partly the heavy wind.  I backed off and let him go.

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« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2017, 04:16:48 PM »
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Most are going 45 and not looking in their rear view mirrors to see the carnage behind them.............lol

I was driving on the tollway into Orlando, going 70 in a 65. Got passed by a little old lady with blue hair driving a buick at about 80.  :o
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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2017, 05:51:36 PM »
I was driving on the tollway into Orlando, going 70 in a 65. Got passed by a little old lady with blue hair driving a buick at about 80.  :o

Caryl, I hope you were driving the jeep at 70 MPH and not the MH.   :o ::) ;)
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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2017, 08:15:24 PM »
I was driving on the tollway into Orlando, going 70 in a 65. Got passed by a little old lady with blue hair driving a buick at about 80.  :o

If you get passed by a little old man with white hair driving a black corvette, just wave...its me. especially on the 417 or 528..
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« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2017, 11:44:21 AM »
Anybody want to bet that the driver in this instance isn't a member of the "it tows great ... you don't even feel it back there!" crowd.   
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« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2017, 03:49:29 PM »
One thing I learned from motorcycle racing,  sometimes the faster you go... the more it hurts.

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« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2017, 11:43:36 AM »
I was driving on the tollway into Orlando, going 70 in a 65. Got passed by a little old lady with blue hair driving a buick at about 80.  :o
I wish more people from Florida drove like that.  I always encounter the ones going 45 or 50 in the left lane in a 55 mph zone.
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