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Flyingpiper59

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Electrical issue
« on: September 03, 2017, 02:40:50 PM »
Greetings Forum Chums,
Just got a 1985 Pace Arrow...plugged in the Electric cable last night...worked fine for about ten minutes....just dropped off.....unplugged it and headed to bed....I plugged it in again today...same story...no breakers are tripped...Any Ideas?

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2017, 03:11:49 PM »
What did you plug it into? What kind of cord/plug does your coach use? If it's a 30 amp cord and you plugged it into a dryer outlet, you may have some damage to the coach, since dryers run on 220V and the coach is on 110V, though the plugs are very similar. If you plugged it into a standard household outlet, what kind of adapter did you use and what were you trying to run in the coach?
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Flyingpiper59

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2017, 03:20:46 PM »
I used an adapter cord that came with the RV...has a Standard 110 volt plug on one end and plugs into the black cord of the RV...I was plugged into 110

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2017, 03:24:41 PM »
Oh yes...you had asked what was on....just the Fridge...and tried out the heater...worked fine....turned it off after testing...so just the fridge and a couple lights

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2017, 03:54:09 PM »
Your fridge and furnace are 12 volt appliances and will run off your house batteries when A/C power is not present. The fridge is also supposed to work off 120 volts A/C when plugged into shore-power. (You may have to manually switch it.) What (specifically) is not working when you're plugged into shore-power?

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Flyingpiper59

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2017, 04:05:20 PM »
Everything works initially...then 10 to 20 mins...the power drops off....like a breaker tripped....but no breaker in the coach or the house has tripped...

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2017, 04:10:58 PM »
Sounds like your battery is dying. Take the battery out and go to an auto parts store and have it checked.
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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2017, 05:09:13 PM »
Not sure I follow...the issue is when the Coach is plugged into shore power.

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2017, 05:40:06 PM »
are you are talking about the lights 'dropping off' ?

because most all lights in a motorhome are 12 volt d/c,  and powered by a battery system.  There is a battery charger inside that may power up the lights when you plug it in for a while...until it overheats and shuts down.

you may have a dead battery or check the battery switch by the front door that turns the battery power off.
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SeilerBird

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2017, 05:43:05 PM »
Not sure I follow...the issue is when the Coach is plugged into shore power.
Your refer, AC, and furnace require 12 volts along with 110 volts to operate. The lights operate on 12 volts.
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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2017, 06:15:40 PM »
Ah... I guess I have a lot to learn I thought that being plugged in charged the batteries...perhaps it is the batteries not taking a charge...the main  is fine...engine starts right up

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2017, 06:19:42 PM »
12 volts is needed to run the control circuits in the refer, ac and furnace. If the battery is dead they won't work. The battery is almost dead so it charges a little bit but that only lasts a few minutes. Plugging in does charge the batteries but only if the batteries are in good enough shape to hold a charge.
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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2017, 06:23:52 PM »
Plug a table lamp into one of the AC receptacles, then plug in shore power and see if light goes out in your 10 to 20 minute time. Let us know if it stays on then we can troubleshoot the DC system.
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Flyingpiper59

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2017, 07:13:30 PM »
Thanks....I will and post back..

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2017, 07:30:42 PM »
The revelation here by you and others are making sense now...there are three Bats in this unit...the main and two others in series...they appear to be VERY old....2009 I think I read...so again... much appreciated and tomorrow the troubleshooting shall begin

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2017, 09:02:54 PM »
ok...the light stays on...the fridge and heater drop off in 5 mins or so...

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2017, 09:05:22 PM »
gonna start with the batteries...they are ancient!!

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2017, 09:21:16 PM »
Ancient is correct. They are old after three years. Make sure you replace the two in series with deep cycle batteries and not marine batteries. And for heavens sake please get out your cell phone and take a bunch of photos of how all the wires hook up before disconnecting them. I have read too many horror stories from people who forgot how the wires were suppose to go so they guessed and smoked the wiring of the RV.
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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2017, 09:27:16 PM »
Thank you Chum...I plan to...I restore old tractors....pictures and notes my friend....thanks again...

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2017, 06:51:51 AM »
Being plugged in is **SUPPOSED** to charge the batteries when plugged in.

But if for any reason the converter has failed. That will not happen.

Now converters come in many types..  MINE happens to be a plug in model, it has "Failed" several times..  (Meaning some Idiot has accidently pulled the plug.. (Me of course)).

I plug it in and it's good as new

I've seen tripped breakers.

I"ve read of the thing actually failing to work... (Meaning it needed replacing).
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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2017, 10:51:38 AM »
Did you plug into a GFCI protected outlet?  One possibility is your refrigerator's electric heating element has developed an internal short to ground, which would trip a GFCI outlet.  But it might not show up until the refrigerator's thermostat called for cooling and turned on the element.

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2017, 04:00:17 PM »
Gentlemen I want to thank you for all of your Insight one and all..... phase one of the troubleshooting was just completed ..I added 2 1000 amp deep cycle batteries.... all the auto switching came on....the refrigerator came right on.. ..it recognized that it was on AC power...  the generator fired right up..... I now have all of the lights on and the refrigerator ...obviously I want to see if the converter is in fact working properly....the rub here is that I have a very small supposedly owners manual...
It just keeps referencing the customer information package.... I'm afraid it's long gone from this unit.... does anybody know anyone with a 1985 Pace Arrow, LOL.... I would pay handsomely for this elusive package.... just a copy mind you...thsnks again...Cheers

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2017, 04:53:02 PM »
The Customers Information Package probably isn't much more than the owners manuals for the individual appliances, etc. in the RV.

Try doing a Google search for each component's manual and you should be set.

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2017, 05:06:10 PM »
Is the converter working is easy to figure out.

hook a DC voltmeter (15 or 20 volt range) to the batteries or to the fuse panel so it is showing system voltage.. DO THIS WHILE YOU ARE NOT PLUGGED IN and use caution as the batteries are still live

NOTE the voltage

Plug in.. Note the voltage

Come back in an hour or two and NOTE THE VOLTAGE

Post the results and we will tell you,

There are better tests but... For this test... YOu do not need to know WHERE teh converter is

Finding the converter

Many are right in back of the breakers and fuses. this is especially true if the fuses and the breakers are in the same "Box"   IF yours is like that the make and model of said box please.

Otherwise it has a small fan you may be able to hear, also indicator lights in many cases.
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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2017, 08:28:45 PM »
OK Chums....Electrical issues were squared away by replacing the batteries..thanks again for all the wise counseling.....the shake down continues...I replaced the water pump...someone cross threaded a line... it looked as though it had been leaking slowly for a long time... the pump said 1991 on it so I figured why tempt fate.... I got a new one.... having said that there is a $20 replacement head and I will repair it for a spare.... more good news, I got both the water heater and the refrigerator to work on propane.... another major score.... now for the one bad thing.... something is wrong with my drainage system..... I've been running the water in the kitchen and nathroom drains and the bathtub is filling with drain water...water coming up into the tub.....as opposed to filling up anything in the holding tank.....again this 26 page page manual doesn't go into much...... obviously there is a clog somewhere, any ideas for where I should start on this one?....1985 Pace Arrow

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2017, 10:23:12 AM »
is the tank full?    have you every emptied the tank ?

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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2017, 09:47:02 AM »
As Tony said... Are you SURE that you have emptied every tank??? On some models of RV's there can be separate drain outlets located some distance away from others and not always obvious.

The bath tub filling is usually a clear indication of a gray tank overflow. Perhaps you missed a tank drain or the valve is broken and is remaining closed despite being operated.
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Re: Electrical issue
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2017, 09:54:04 AM »
Did some plunging and purging and all of a sudden it drained very very quickly...
 so I don't know where it was hung up ....but afterwards I filled both tanks a couple of times and purged them again ...so everything seems to be in good shape now and running very freely..
Thanks!

 

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