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Toilet paper?
« on: September 22, 2017, 09:57:42 AM »
Forgive my indelicacy but I have a question about toilet paper, macerators and RV's. In my current travel trailer we have to, of course, use the flimsy and easily dissolvable toilet paper. My wife now has interest in possibly a Class A, in part because several campers we have met have such with macerators built in. My wife is wondering if with a macerator, you get the option of using better TP, like the Charmin we use at home, or if even in a motor home with a macerator are we obliged to stay with the cheap stuff. Thanks for any advice you can offer.
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2017, 10:01:08 AM »
I use the softest tp I can find. I have a small trash can located right next to the toilet and that is where I deposit the tp. It sounds gross and I read about it on this forum thinking I would never do such a thing. But after my last plug up due to tp I tried it and to my amazement it works just fine. The trash can does not smell at all.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2017, 10:08:23 AM »
We always have used (and still use) Charmin, with and without macerators (1st MH had macerator, second didn't, this one has one of each), in all our rigs. It's not always completely dissolved by the time we dump, but we're able to keep it from building up, AND we don't use any chemicals -- just plenty of water. Once in a while I use the sani-flush (by whatever name) rinse connection to work extra out, but that's not needed every time, so long as you leave a bit of water in the black tank after dumping (that is, add 3-5 gallons by flushing or by the rinse connection) to keep things wet and not let stuff dry out and build up.

Addendum: Don't look for a macerator just for chewing things up -- it's primarily there because the particular  toilet doesn't get a straight shot into the black tank. And macerators are easily clogged, too, if you're not careful, even from just too big a wad of toilet paper.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2017, 10:11:15 AM »
There's little reason to use any special toilet paper, with or without a macerator. A search will find lots of prior discussions on the subject. We also have the results of one of our forum-wide TP tests in our forum Library - see here.

Not all class A's have macerator pumps, and I'd think they're in the minority. The main reason for such a pump is because the toilet is not directly over the waste tank, and the effluent has to be 'pumped' horizontally to enter the tank.

We have a couple of macerator pumps on our boat, and have not seen a need for different TP than we use at home or in our coach.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2017, 10:37:42 AM »
We always have used (and still use) Charmin, with and without macerators (1st MH had macerator, second didn't, this one has one of each), in all our rigs. It's not always completely dissolved by the time we dump, but we're able to keep it from building up, AND we don't use any chemicals -- just plenty of water.

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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2017, 10:44:48 AM »
I use the softest tp I can find. I have a small trash can located right next to the toilet and that is where I deposit the tp. It sounds gross and I read about it on this forum thinking I would never do such a thing. But after my last plug up due to tp I tried it and to my amazement it works just fine. The trash can does not smell at all.

This is SO GROSS!
Geeze, this has been discussed I thought to death.  Apparently not.  Buy any septic safe TP that you find you like the best.  There are several people who have done tests on different TP brands and they have their preferendes. 
Holding tank plugs tend to be lumped into one basic thought.  Lack of water.  These holding tanks need a lot of water to help break up poo and TP.

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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2017, 10:52:09 AM »
This is SO GROSS!
Geeze, this has been discussed I thought to death.  Apparently not.  Buy any septic safe TP that you find you like the best.  There are several people who have done tests on different TP brands and they have their preferendes. 
Holding tank plugs tend to be lumped into one basic thought.  Lack of water.  These holding tanks need a lot of water to help break up poo and TP.
There is nothing gross about it. Why do you think it is gross? Nobody uses more water than me and I still have problems with it clogging. This comes not from the type of tp I use but from the fact my valves are broke and the black tank does not drain properly. The price tag to have my tanks dropped and the handles repaired is obscene, providing I can actually find someone who will come out to my site and do the dirty work. Much cheaper and easier to just put it in the trash can. Don't knock it until you know all the facts.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2017, 10:55:13 AM »
There is nothing gross about it. Why do you think it is gross?

Tom, do you have sinus problems by any chance?   :o ::) ;)
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2017, 11:27:42 AM »
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Tom, do you have sinus problems by any chance?

I sure would if I was sitting next to an open can of poop  :(
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2017, 11:28:19 AM »
Cottonelle Ultra users here. Had two trailers and now a class C. I have had no problems with the toilet paper clogging or otherwise bothering my black tanks.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2017, 11:35:56 AM »
A neighbor couldn't dump the black tank in his new trailer. I made a few suggestions, and he decided to "fish" stuff out from the top (commode). The stuff he was fishing out made him ask his wife if she'd put 'wipes' down the toilet; She had, problem solved and lesson learned.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2017, 11:54:58 AM »
Tom, do you have sinus problems by any chance?   :o ::) ;)
No my nose works real good. There is no aroma.
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2017, 01:02:01 PM »
We use tissue because I find you use less than toilet paper on a roll and we only flush poo paper. Lol. I was using the lotion kind because you know, so soft-I've since been told I shouldn't due to the emollient. It works for us.

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2017, 01:38:43 PM »
I've heard talk of people that think their poo doesn't stink, but I thought they all drove Prevosts :)
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2017, 01:41:54 PM »
I've heart talk of people that think their poo doesn't stink, but I thought they all drove Prevosts :)
Nope some of us own a Travel Supreme. 8)
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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2017, 01:42:06 PM »
FWIW many sailboaters use the 'poop in the trash' method. I figured they had small holding tanks and sailed a long way (long time) between ports  ???
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2017, 01:52:37 PM »
I was just talking to my wife about which toilet paper I should get for the motor home last night... coincidence? Hmmmm. :)
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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2017, 03:58:13 PM »
I guess it's no different than the diaper bucket in the baby's room - no smell until you open that lid!

As far as the macerator, we have one in one of the bathrooms and because of that I tend to only get the RV paper. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2017, 05:19:44 PM »
RV toilet paper is the pits.  We use any 2-ply toilet paper that's clearly marked "septic safe" because it disintegrates faster than others.  NEVER EVER put wipes, Kleenex, or other non-toilet paper products down the toilet because they do NOT disintegrate based on our Quartzsite toilet paper test.  By the way, a community in England is having a major waste drainage problem caused by disposable diapers and wipes that clogged the waste into a 250-POUND clog that will take months to unclog.

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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2017, 05:25:38 PM »
We use tissue because I find you use less than toilet paper on a roll and we only flush poo paper.

If you only flush poo paper, what do you do with the tissue?
I would be interested on how fast tissue dissolves. Put a sheet of it in a cup of water and stir it every 1/2 hour or so and get back to us with the results please.
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2017, 05:30:17 PM »
If you only flush poo paper, what do you do with the tissue?
I would be interested on how fast tissue dissolves. Put a sheet of it in a cup of water and stir it every 1/2 hour or so and get back to us with the results please.
I'm confused on your entire comment but I sense sarcasm I think. We've not had a problem yet for three years. But I would like to know if you're trying to say it's not good then why? I'm all about getting educated but I don't do experiements.

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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2017, 05:50:38 PM »
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By the way, a community in England is having a major waste drainage problem caused by disposable diapers and wipes that clogged the waste into a 250-POUND clog that will take months to unclog.

Ardra, when our kids were that young, we used only re-usable diapers (aka 'napkins' in the UK). Typically, they were very good quality Terry towels that we bought through the nearest colliery (aka coal mine). I didn't become aware of disposable diapers until my first visit to the US in the 70's.

Things were quite different when our 30-year old grandson and his family visited a few months ago. Huggies were the order of the day, but I couldn't help smiling and telling them about the good old days in the olde country.

Our kids used to throw anything and everything down the toilet, and the sewer cleaning guy was at our house regularly. One time he came into the house with a joint of beef in his hand, and my other half said "that's the joint that disappeared from the refrigerator".
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2017, 05:52:04 PM »
Seilerbird, a while back, this same topic came up, and I chimed in that I disposed of the toilet paper the same way you do, and I was ridiculed and almost called a Neandertal (close spelling) because that was only done in third world countries by people who do not have flush toilets. Anyway, since my daughter uses a whole roll of toilet paper every time she goes, she would have clogged up the toilet in a second. This way, there are no piles built up inside and no stoppages. My rationale is that since you already have the toilet paper in your hand, why would it be so distasteful to roll it up and put it in the trash can, which we would almost empty immediately anyway while in a campground. I guess I am not the only one who practices this nasty and anti-social practice (little humor!!).

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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2017, 06:05:03 PM »
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I'm all about getting educated but I don't do experiements.

Well, you see this is a huge topic of interest to RVers because they have so many problems with toilet paper.  When new they're told they need to use that awful thin RV toilet paper and they hate it.  Or, they don't use it and take whatever they have at home which may not dissolve very well.  When you have poorly disintegrating toilet paper and/or not enough water to help it dissolve you end up with the dreaded "poo pyramid" which has its own set of problems including odor and clogs.  For that reason we occasionally conduct our own experiments because toilet paper manufacturers change how they make their product and then a favorite brand may no longer work.  Our last toilet paper test was as the 2014 Quartzsite rally.  See the following link for the test results.  http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,71131.msg648426.html#msg648426

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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2017, 06:11:04 PM »
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... I chimed in that I disposed of the toilet paper the same way you do, and I was ridiculed...

It might have been friendly teasing  ???

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I thought I was the only one who did that  :-[   I've learned to flush several times during the 'cleanup' process, so the whole roll doesn't try to go down at the same time.
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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2017, 06:14:25 PM »
FWIW in the early days of the forum, this subject was the longest-running thread (we had threads in those days).
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2017, 06:36:58 PM »
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...my valves are broke and the black tank does not drain properly. The price tag to have my tanks dropped and the handles repaired is obscene...

Just curious why the tanks need to be dropped. I've never owned a trailer or fifthwheel, so I'm not familiar with the geometry of tanks and drains. As you probably know, replacing dump valves in a Class A is a snip - unbolt and slide out the valve, then slide in the replacement and bolt up.
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2017, 08:49:22 PM »
Just curious why the tanks need to be dropped. I've never owned a trailer or fifthwheel, so I'm not familiar with the geometry of tanks and drains. As you probably know, replacing dump valves in a Class A is a snip - unbolt and slide out the valve, then slide in the replacement and bolt up.
I have had two fifth wheel experts look at it and the bottom is sealed. Has a cover over the bottom. Both tanks are operated by cable and the only way to fix the cable is to drop the tanks and replace the valve which is a major deal because of the way they are installed. It will cost at least a thousand, probably more to get it fixed.
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2017, 09:16:22 PM »
I have had two fifth wheel experts look at it and the bottom is sealed. Has a cover over the bottom. Both tanks are operated by cable and the only way to fix the cable is to drop the tanks and replace the valve which is a major deal because of the way they are installed. It will cost at least a thousand, probably more to get it fixed.

Tom, you say the bottom is sealed. Is just a belly fabric?  Most times all you need to do is drop part of the belly to gain access to the valves. May have to do a little fishing to find the right area to drop.
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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2017, 04:00:13 AM »
Tom, you say the bottom is sealed. Is just a belly fabric?  Most times all you need to do is drop part of the belly to gain access to the valves. May have to do a little fishing to find the right area to drop.
I don't know what the material is all I know is two people have told me that dropping the tanks are a really big deal. No access to the valves without dropping the tanks.
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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2017, 08:00:20 AM »
Tom, I'd like to donate a hundred dollars to the repair of your valves on the condition that you never talk about putting used TP in a bucket. This whole topic is like a bad car accident. I hate watching it but love to see where it goes!
Vito55, I hope your happy with yourself for bringing this up!! :)
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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2017, 09:55:29 AM »
I don't know what the material is all I know is two people have told me that dropping the tanks are a really big deal. No access to the valves without dropping the tanks.

Sorry, that makes absolutely no sense.  Valve location has to be at the tanks lowest point.  Otherwise they dont work.  I changed the black tank valve on my fiver a couple years back.  Took me a couple of hours, and about 50 dollars in parts.  Yes my valves are cable operated too.  The real reason everyone wants to charge so much is its a black tank.  Who in their right mind wants to work on someone elses poo?

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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2017, 01:33:29 PM »
I can't see why they would have too drop the tanks either.
Tom, buy a basic set of hand tools and some cheap coveralls, then change them out yourself. It can be a bit messy if you don't clean your tanks first, but still relatively easy to do.
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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2017, 02:45:42 PM »
FWIW many sailboaters use the 'poop in the trash' method. I figured they had small holding tanks and sailed a long way (long time) between ports  ???

After travels to Mexico and other countries with less than stellar plumbing you find that many places have a small trash can and a no flush rule. We do the same in our MH. Never a problem and no odor.
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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2017, 02:57:30 PM »
Yes, I've seen it in Mexico.
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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2017, 04:20:33 PM »
We solved our occasional problem by differentiating between "just wet" and "other", if I may be so indelicate.  We place the "just wet" in a lidded, step on to open, trash can and flush the "other".  Works for us.  No odor.

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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2017, 05:01:00 PM »
I sure would if I was sitting next to an open can of poop  :(

It's not an open can. We do the same as Tom does. We use one of those small trash cans with foot pedal for the lid. But most of the time we use the facilities at the campground. My wife gets up to pee about 3700 times a night and that's about all that's in the black tank.
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2017, 12:14:21 PM »
I can't see why they would have too drop the tanks either.
Tom, buy a basic set of hand tools and some cheap coveralls, then change them out yourself. It can be a bit messy if you don't clean your tanks first, but still relatively easy to do.
It might be easy for you to do but not me. I am almost 70 years old with a bad back and emphysema. I have not gotten down on the ground to change my oil in two decades. I sure as heck will not get down on the ground to change out a set of bad valves. I already own a basic set of hand tools, you can't live in an RV and not own a basic set of hand tools. But I am restricted to really easy jobs done standing up. :-[
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2017, 12:16:46 PM »
Sorry, that makes absolutely no sense.  Valve location has to be at the tanks lowest point.  Otherwise they dont work.  I changed the black tank valve on my fiver a couple years back.  Took me a couple of hours, and about 50 dollars in parts.  Yes my valves are cable operated too.  The real reason everyone wants to charge so much is its a black tank.  Who in their right mind wants to work on someone elses poo?
The two people who gave me estimates were not estimating what they would charge. Neither one would do the work. They were estimating what they thought someone else would charge. Both have a lot of experience fixing RVs and neither one could even recommend a local that could do the job.
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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2017, 12:19:57 PM »
This is SO GROSS!
Geeze, this has been discussed I thought to death.  Apparently not.  Buy any septic safe TP that you find you like the best.  There are several people who have done tests on different TP brands and they have their preferendes. 
Holding tank plugs tend to be lumped into one basic thought.  Lack of water.  These holding tanks need a lot of water to help break up poo and TP.
I don't believe anyone could read a thread labeled 'Toilet Paper' and manage to be offended by something they read in the thread. If you have that weak of a stomach then avoid threads with titles like this. It is positive we won't be discussing rainbows, unicorns and kittens in a thread like this. Meanwhile my post has nothing to do with tp not breaking up, it deals with a stuck valve.
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Re: Toilet paper?
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2017, 12:37:49 PM »
I don't believe anyone could read a thread labeled 'Toilet Paper' and manage to be offended by something they read in the thread. If you have that weak of a stomach then avoid threads with titles like this. It is positive we won't be discussing rainbows, unicorns and kittens in a thread like this. Meanwhile my post has nothing to do with tp not breaking up, it deals with a stuck valve.

Lolol. Winner!!!

And I bought tp today, first time in years. Thanks everyone.
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Re: Toilet paper?
« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2017, 01:26:13 PM »
Lolol. Winner!!!

And I bought bought tp today, first time in years. Thanks everyone.

bought bought?   :o ::)
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Re: Toilet paper?
« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2017, 01:35:49 PM »

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Re: Toilet paper?
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2017, 03:59:54 PM »
We only use the basic Scott tissue, not RV specific paper, and no paper remains at the time of dumping. Either with or without a macerator.  No need to use any special disposal method.
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Re: Toilet paper?
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2017, 05:47:17 PM »
Lolol. Winner!!!

And I bought tp today, first time in years. Thanks everyone.

  The first time in years??? Dare I ask, What have you been using?
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Re: Toilet paper?
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2017, 06:14:57 PM »
  The first time in years??? Dare I ask, What have you been using?
They have been using the one sheet method.

https://youtu.be/LEBt84BP84g
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Re: Toilet paper?
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2017, 06:31:54 PM »
I quit
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Re: Toilet paper?
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2017, 06:53:38 PM »
I don't know what the material is all I know is two people have told me that dropping the tanks are a really big deal. No access to the valves without dropping the tanks.

How about pictures?  I absolitely do not believe that the tank needs to be dropped.  Please post a picture of your undetbelly.  Like I said previously  I'm 71 years old and can still crawl under my fiver to fix stuff.  I understsnd some are no longer physically able. I guess those folks have way more disposable income than I do.  When I get to the point I can jo longer work on my fiver is time to sell it.
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Re: Toilet paper?
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2017, 06:56:17 PM »
How about pictures?
There is a membrane covering the bottom of the RV and I am not going to crawl on my back to photograph it.
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Re: Toilet paper?
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2017, 07:03:44 PM »
There you go!  The bottom material is likely plastic and held on with some self tapping screws.  Taking screws out will access the dump valves.  Maybe 20 minutes tops.  4 bolts and a little effort and the darn valve blade is out in your hands.

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« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2017, 07:25:34 PM »
There you go!  The bottom material is likely plastic and held on with some self tapping screws.  Taking screws out will access the dump valves.  Maybe 20 minutes tops.  4 bolts and a little effort and the darn valve blade is out in your hands.
No the bottom material is not plastic it is metal and I am not going to crawl on the ground for anything. I get out of breath just going from the living room to the bathroom.
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Re: Toilet paper?
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2017, 08:50:44 AM »
They have been using the one sheet method.

https://youtu.be/LEBt84BP84g

  The first time in years??? Dare I ask, What have you been using?

Noooo. Haha. We've been using tissues!

 

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