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Gary RV_Wizard

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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2017, 09:09:25 AM »
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For example, we loved camping in our Westfalia in Anza Borrego desert (see attached pic). We found a trail that looked ok for our West and drove about 5 minutes away from the main road. We slept there in complete silence, which we absolutely loved. This is the kind of things we would love to do again.

Maybe you want a 4WD RV, not a 4WD towed car.  ;)   

That said, we've had 35+ foot motorhomes down many an "unimproved" road. I don't recommend it unless you have aneye for terrain and some knowledge of the ground clearance of your vehicle, but we've been to quite a few isolated sites, including in Canada and Alaska.
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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2017, 02:00:44 PM »
We like it when it's really quiet (and this brings up the question of security). We don't do trails for the pleasure of driving in the mud, that's not our thing at all.

For example, we loved camping in our Westfalia in Anza Borrego desert (see attached pic). We found a trail that looked ok for our West and drove about 5 minutes away from the main road. We slept there in complete silence, which we absolutely loved. This is the kind of things we would love to do again. But then I guess i'll have to search topics about boondocking and safety especially for 2 women...
About Security:

My wife and I boondock a lot.  We frequently stay in remote places with no one around, as well as road side rest areas and Walmarts sometimes.  While we are not two women, if we feel uncomfortable in a place we don't stay, we move on. 

As far a security there are many single women who boondock and feel safe and comfortable doing it.

Below are links to blogs from women (there are lots more out there) each of whom boondock or have boondocked by themselves at times.  Read back though their blog archives for details on their travel styles.

This lady boondocked through Nova Scotia and Newfoundland through the summer. She also does a lot of boondocking in the west.  Within the last two years she took a solo trip down Baja California utilizing the Mexican buses and staying in hotels in the towns and cities.  http://taketothehighway.com/

This lady no longer travels in an RV, but go back through her blog archives for details:  https://winnieviews.blogspot.com/

This lady boondocks or dry camps in remote campgrounds almost all the time:  http://rvsueandcrew.net/

Here is an article about solo women RV'ers with links to more info:  http://wheelingit.us/2014/09/26/rving-travelling-as-a-single-lady/


Al & Sharon
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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2017, 07:57:33 PM »
Maybe you want a 4WD RV, not a 4WD towed car.  ;)   

Yeah you're probably right, something as the Winnebago Revel.
But we are ALSO princesses which means we need lots of cargo space!
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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2017, 07:58:16 PM »
About Security:

Below are links to blogs from women (there are lots more out there) each of whom boondock or have boondocked by themselves at times.

Thanks for the links!
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Gary RV_Wizard

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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2017, 08:48:04 AM »
Here are a couple of photos from our summer in Alaska (some years back) that may encourage you. That's a 36 ft gas Class A and a 38 ft diesel pusher you see, each having made it down dirt tracks to camp beside hidden lakes.
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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2017, 08:48:50 AM »
Here are a couple of photos from our summer in Alaska (some years back) that may encourage you. That's a 36 ft gas Class A and a 38 ft diesel pusher you see, each having made it down dirt tracks to camp beside hidden lakes.

Glad to see that boondocking lakeside is feasible even with a 30F rig.

Is that pretty much the case in every state? (lake, ocean, whatever, as long as there is water we are happy).
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Gary RV_Wizard

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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2017, 10:22:06 AM »
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Is that pretty much the case in every state? (lake, ocean, whatever, as long as there is water we are happy).

No, the notion of free camping at secluded lakesides is largely a myth perpetuated by the RVIA. You have to seek out really rustic areas, and most of them in the eastern and central US will be on private land. Western US has more public land, but even then camping is often restricted. Too many abuses by ill-mannered people have led to curtailed access and designated camping areas (though the site may be "unimproved").

That said, there are places you can go and I'm sure folks here can suggest some if you ask about specific areas.
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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2017, 03:31:42 PM »
I agree with Gary finding those places can be difficult, attached is a couple of photos of my Safari Trek 28 ft class A beside a bayou in north eastern Louisiana about 30 miles from Natchez, Mississippi (Duck Dynasty part of the state, not Swamp people part), to get to this spot required driving about, 3/4 mile down a paved local road dodging lots of overhanging limbs,  then 1/4 mile down a dirt trail on top of a flood control levy and then maybe 1/8th of a mile on a dirt path down the edge of a cotton field, there was not another person around for about 1/3 mile.  This particular spot was also the site of a civil war battle of sorts, as a Union ironclad gunboat anchored perhaps in the very patch of water seen here to exchange canon fire with the confederate fort on the bluff overlooking the Ouachita river about a mile away, over the years a number cannon balls from that battle have been discovered in the cotton field while plowing, as the union gun boat picked this point to be just out of range of the confederate guns.  Oh and yes it is private land that has been in my family for nearly a century. 

Ike
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Bobetpine

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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2017, 06:23:48 PM »
Gas mileage hasn't changed much on RV's in 20-40 years with the exception that the Mercedes, when then came available do get much better mileage than the Ford V-10.   Expect 7-8.5 mpg on Fords.  Mercedes probably in the low to mid teens. 
By the way, gas mileage is not a really big problem unless you are planning on driving 10,000 miles or more a year.

I just did the math today. Let's say that a gallon of gas is 3$ (or that's the price it will be by the time I retire). Let's say 6000 miles for our first winter and 7 MPG. It means 857 gallons or 2571 USD worth of gas.
Wow.

So it would be about half that price for a 24F Mercedes based class C since you said that they're in the low to mid teens.

Having some real estate in your MH costs big bucks!
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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2017, 06:48:20 PM »
I don't recall if anyone mentioned it, but diesel usually costs more than gas.  There for a while this summer they were pretty close but I noticed this week that the gap has widened again.

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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2017, 11:27:50 PM »
You should also factor the added diesel maintenance cost into the equation, DEF, costlier oil changes, etc.  In addition it is important to remember that Sprinters are on a 11,030 pound GVWR chassis vs typically 13,500 - 14,500 for a gasoline powered class C, and small class A's start out at around 17,000 pound GVWR these days and to up to at least 22,000 pounds GVWR.
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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2017, 08:32:22 AM »
I don't recall if anyone mentioned it, but diesel usually costs more than gas.  There for a while this summer they were pretty close but I noticed this week that the gap has widened again.

ArdraF

True in most of the USA perhaps but here in Canada, at least in Quebec, Montreal region, Diesel fuel is still cheaper than gasoline. FWIW!!
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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2017, 10:51:17 AM »
In Much (all) of the US diesel is taxed at a higher rate than gasoline, so ends up costing more at the pump most of the time.
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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2017, 07:40:17 AM »
I just did the math today. Let's say that a gallon of gas is 3$ (or that's the price it will be by the time I retire). Let's say 6000 miles for our first winter and 7 MPG. It means 857 gallons or 2571 USD worth of gas.
Wow.

So it would be about half that price for a 24F Mercedes based class C since you said that they're in the low to mid teens.

Having some real estate in your MH costs big bucks!
As much as we would like for it to be, RV travel is not FREE.  It does cost something to travel.

If I was to drive the 6000 miles for a 3 week vacation, then I would be really concerned about the $2571 for gas. 

Driving 6000 mile for a 6 month trip then that is about $430 a month. 

Just try driving your car at 30 MPG, stay in hotels/motels eating almost all your meals in restaurants for $430/month.  You do have to add in the cost of staying at RV Parks or state parks, but still it is far less expensive than motels and restaurants.  As far as RV Parks, to be more economical, stay for a month.  It is far less expensive than the daily or weekly rent. 

You need to add in that you will be sleeping in your own bed, your own kitchen, your own bathroom.  No lugging in luggage into strange motels etc. 

When you travel, you need to look at the cost of the travel, minus what you would have spent by staying home.  It costs you something to stay home. Utilities, food, gas, etc.  Yes you will spend that money while traveling, but you want to look at the additional cost of the travel and not just the total cost of the trip.

Is it possible the cost of travel is beyond what you have to spend?  If so maybe traveling isn't for you.

You don't have to travel 6000 miles.  It is POSSIBLE to go places and see things w/o driving so far. 
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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2017, 09:53:46 AM »
You don't have to travel 6000 miles.  It is POSSIBLE to go places and see things w/o driving so far.
Thanks for the comments.
Since we live up north, travelling at least 3000 miles (return) is a minimum if we want to spend the winter months wearing shorts.
:)

As much as we would like for it to be, RV travel is not FREE.  It does cost something to travel.

Is it possible the cost of travel is beyond what you have to spend?  If so maybe traveling isn't for you.


That's a good question.
The answer isn't simple. Let's say I'd like to have more money set aside. But then who doesn't? Approaching my retirement years I get anxious to think that instead of piling up cash I'm going to draw down cash. That makes me nervous but from what I read, this is common among retirees. I guess it explains why I'm so concerned about not overspending. I don't have a generous defined benefit pension plan that will cover all my expenses for the rest of my life, starting at 55. I have to rely on the money I set aside while working and as opposed to DBPP, this is a finite amount.

On a side note, being overwhelmed by the possible problems that you can encounter when buying an RV I looked at RENTING an rv for 5 months, just to know if it's for us.
They want 25K for 5 months! (Canadream)

I guess we'll buy a used one and sell it the year later if we don't like it.
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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #45 on: October 15, 2017, 08:25:26 PM »
You have gotten lots of good advise so far. I do want to comment on a couple of subjects.

"On a side note, being overwhelmed by the possible problems that you can encounter when buying an RV I looked at RENTING an rv for 5 months, just to know if it's for us.
They want 25K for 5 months! (Canadream)"
That is steep but why not rent one for a long weekend or a week. That would give you some hands on experience. Riley it isn't as hard as some make out.
On  the question of having a toad. Don't be without one. ;) I don't know what  cars you have now but it would be a good time to start researching if you have one that can be towed 4 down. Remco makes towing accessories.
  http://www.remcoindustries.com/Towing/
If they say it isn't towable I would keep looking. Using a tow dolly is another option but does add another level of complexity. https://cartowdolly.com/
I used one for a couple of years and would again if it was the only way to have a toad with me. You give up over 80% of what you can see and do with out a toad.

Gas today in Texas is $2.06 Diesel $2.29. I just got back from a 4400 mile trip to the North East and it was during the fake shortages from the hurricane. The most I paid was $2.88 on I-95 in Main, I would say the average was around $2.66.
Most of the time you aren't driving the coach every day and it doesn't use any fuel when it is sitting. I like to say I park my condo and take my toad and go explore. RV 8.5-9 MPG Toad 30+ MPG. Which one do you want to drive sight seeing?
I recommend you look hear so you can have a idea of what different coaches are selling for and to see different floor plans. https://www.pplmotorhomes.com/used-rvs-for-sale
I would get their free booklet on buying a Motorhome.
Later if you are interested I have a list of apps that are useful on the road.
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Re: Undecided: spend on a newer RV or go cheap?
« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2017, 07:39:38 PM »
Thanks Bill, I'll download that ebook.
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