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SeilerBird

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My new camera
« on: November 09, 2017, 06:56:19 AM »
For those of you who do not know me (you are lucky) I am a retired wildlife photographer and three years ago I bought an iPhone 6 and sold my DSLR stuff. At that point I started using my iPhone for about 99% of my shots. I kept my 50x zoom bridge camera for the really long telephoto shots since cell phone cameras can't do telephoto yet but I rarely use it anymore. I only lasted a year with the iPhone and got out because I just did not fit in the Apple ecosystem. I then returned to Android with a Samsung S6 but only kept it a few months because I did not like the Samsung universe. I replaced it with an LG G4 that I have been using for the last year and a half. It was getting long in the tooth and when Google announced the new Pixel cameras it got my attention. I immediately ordered the Pixel 2 XL.

DxOMark is a French site that tests every new camera and gives it a score making it easy to compare cameras. The iPhone 6 scored a 73, the Samsung S6 scored an 86, the LG G4 scored an 83 and the new Pixels are scored at 98. This got my attention. I read the initial reviews and they were nothing but praise for the incredible camera, just about everyone calling it the best camera phone ever. I knew I had to have one so I ordered it immediately and it has not disappointed me in the least. The new iPhone X got a 97 so it is in second place currently.

This phone is a beast. It has so many new great features. My favorite is the idea of building Google into the camera. You take a photo and push the information button and it looks up the photo on Google and then identifies  the content. If you shoot a movie poster it gives you a review of the movie, and where it is playing. Shoot a bird and it attempts to identify the species. It is brand new and will only get more acccurate as time goes on. My second favorite feature is HDR+. They have taken high dynamic range to a new level. The camera works great in low light and contrasting lighting situations.

But the best feature is being able to join the Google Project Fi network. I am going to do a whole different thread on that to keep this thread reasonable. There is a link to an album of shots from my first week with the camera located in my signature below.

Project Fi link:

http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,110136.0.html
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2017, 08:44:05 AM »
Nice shots, Tom. I didn't think any phone could do quite that well.

Which Pixel 2? Are you seeing the reported screen problems (burn-in, etc.)? Is there manual exposure and/or focus also?
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2017, 09:02:28 AM »
Nice shots, Tom. I didn't think any phone could do quite that well.

Which Pixel 2? Are you seeing the reported screen problems (burn-in, etc.)? Is there manual exposure and/or focus also?
Thank you Larry. Yes they are getting better and better with each generation. I forgot to mention the model number. I got the 2 XL which is the big one. I have seen no problems with burn in yet. The problem with the blue tint is being way over exaggerated. I can see the tint but I have to hold it at an angle I would never use the phone with. It takes about a 45 degree angle before it is visible and at that point the letters are squashed an hard to read. No problems with the color gamut. They use the sRGB space and that is what I have been using on my computer and cameras for years so it looks normal to me. I had to look to see if there was manual exposure and there is none. I stopped using manual exposure years ago. However there are plenty of third party apps that will give you manual exposure. The focus is tap and it focuses so I guess there is no manual focus.

I have been watching a OLED TV for the last year and the picture is basically perfect. I wasn't worried about all the rumors about the screen on the Pixel. There is so many over hyped fan boys of Apple and Samsung that I really don't pay attention to the rumors. I knew the screen would be perfect, and it is. Like when the iPhone 6 came out there was a big to do about them bending. Mostly the bad crap was being spread by jealous Android users. I have been hanging out on a Pixel forum for the last month and the vast majority of users are not having screen problems. I don't understand why people can't use what they have and be happy. Why the need to slam the rivals? 
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2017, 01:06:23 PM »
Thanks for the update, Tom. Sounds neat.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2017, 01:10:23 PM »
You are welcome Larry. There is so much I love about this phone I forgot to mention one of the best things. It has an OLED screen like my TV and the best thing about OLED is the blacks are as black as possible since the pixels are turned off to produce pure black. This makes the rest of the color more natural and they really pop. They have infinite contrast being able to produce a signal to noise ratio that is off the charts. They say it is infinite.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2017, 03:32:14 PM »
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the best thing about OLED is the blacks are as black as possible since the pixels are turned off to produce pure black.

Somewhat like the old CRT blacks (my 64" HDTV is a 3 CRT rear projection), much, much better than the LCD, whether backlit or edge lit.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2017, 04:20:24 PM »
I'm suitably impressed, Tom.  Great detail!

Now, my question is - can you actually hear with this phone?  One of my complaints about all the fancy cell phones is they don't pay much attention to sound quality.  It's like they're all so entranced with their technology that they've forgotten the basic purpose of the gadget which is to place and receive telephone calls.  We're looking at new phones and many no longer have a headphone jack and I really don't like the speaker function.  We know a couple of people who don't enunciate very well and talk too fast so we can't make out what they're saying without headphone.  Just wondering.

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SeilerBird

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Re: My new camera
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2017, 04:45:27 PM »
Thank you Ardra. I agree that the earlier cell phones were horrible sounding. This is the best sounding cell phone I have ever owned. I use speakerphone on every call. Except to my brother who complained my last phone sounded lousy when I was on speakerphone. I called him the other day and put it on speakerphone and he told me I sounded fine.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2017, 05:52:14 PM »
I'm still blown away that you can hold the phone 'correctly' and steadily to take the fabulous photos like you do. By coincidence, yesterday I needed to check out the audio mixer of a facility where our retired guys club meets next week for their monthly luncheon. (Long story.)

The system components were stacked on a cart, with the mixer below, covered with a "curtain". I was bent down trying to snap a pic of the front panel using my cell phone, in my point-and-shoot mode. As you'll see from the attached, it came out way out of focus  :-[ although the pic was OK for my needs.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2017, 06:17:18 PM »
Nice shots - I like the close ups of your cats.  Really sharp.

Did I miss you stating the price you paid for the ability to take greater shots then you have in the past?
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SeilerBird

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Re: My new camera
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2017, 06:19:04 PM »
I'm still blown away that you can hold the phone 'correctly' and steadily to take the fabulous photos like you do. By coincidence, yesterday I needed to check out the audio mixer of a facility where our retired guys club meets next week for their monthly luncheon. (Long story.)

The system components were stacked on a cart, with the mixer below, covered with a "curtain". I was bent down trying to snap a pic of the front panel using my cell phone, in my point-and-shoot mode. As you'll see from the attached, it came out way out of focus  :-[ although the pic was OK for my needs.
Holding the Pixel steady is easy. It has built in optical image stabilization (OIS) and electronic image stabilization (EIS). Makes it hard to shake it. Out of about 200 shots so far I have not shook one yet. I have missed the focus on a dozen or so. But a bunch of them were of a snake shot through glass. I have to get better at setting the focus. The shot you posted looks like it should have had the flash turned on.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2017, 06:23:37 PM »
Nice shots - Like like the close ups of your cats.  Really sharp.

Did I miss you stating the price you paid for the ability to take greater shots then you have in the past?
Thanks Red. They are harder to photograph than wild animals. They refuse to look directly at me when I have a camera in my hand. It might be from the flashes they have endured in the past.

I don't understand the second comment. I don't miss the DSLR days at all. In fact I am so thrilled to be freed from carrying all that weight around and all the expense. One of the biggest advantages of this camera is I no longer need Photoshop or Lightroom. I used to run every shot through one or the other to correct exposure, light balance, light color and saturation. Now I just use the shots as they come out of the camera and I am always happy with the results. The camera is magic.
I would like to apologize to anyone I have not yet offended. Please be patient and I will get to you shortly.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2017, 06:57:38 PM »
I don't understand the second comment.


Sorry I wasn't clear - I was wanting to know how much the new cell phone you bought cost?

I know what you mean about heavy gear, carrying it around.  I don't miss doing that either as one tripod I still have weighs 12lbs empty
but I haven't used it in a couple of years or more.

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Re: My new camera
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2017, 07:05:57 PM »
Sorry I wasn't clear - I was wanting to know how much the new cell phone you bought cost?

I know what you mean about heavy gear, carrying it around.  I don't miss doing that either as one tripod I still have weighs 12lbs empty
but I haven't used it in a couple of years or more.
It came to $912. Google is offering 0% financing so it is $38 per month for 24 months. So that saved me from having to put it on my credit card. I still have not recovered from buying this fifth wheel yet.

I absolutely hate tripods. I own a $20 one and use it about once every two years. That's one of the reasons I am so thrilled with this camera having both OIS and EIS built in.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2017, 07:13:27 PM »
You are welcome Larry. There is so much I love about this phone I forgot to mention one of the best things. It has an OLED screen like my TV and the best thing about OLED is the blacks are as black as possible since the pixels are turned off to produce pure black. This makes the rest of the color more natural and they really pop. They have infinite contrast being able to produce a signal to noise ratio that is off the charts. They say it is infinite.

Do you have any trouble seeing this OLED screen in bright sunlight?  How is the battery life?
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2017, 07:25:12 PM »
Do you have any trouble seeing this OLED screen in bright sunlight?  How is the battery life?
It is a lot more visible than the G4 I just stopped using. I don't have to take off my sunglasses to see it. I get about three days on a battery charge unless I take a lot of photos.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2017, 07:32:55 PM »
The system components were stacked on a cart, with the mixer below, covered with a "curtain". I was bent down trying to snap a pic of the front panel using my cell phone, in my point-and-shoot mode. As you'll see from the attached, it came out way out of focus  :-[ although the pic was OK for my needs.
Taking an out of focus shot with this camera is next to impossible. It has a very small aperture and just about everything in the shot will be in focus from ten centimeters to infinity. It has a new portrait mode that is becoming fashionable in cell phones. Since it has such tremendous depth of field due to the small aperture the portrait mode simulates a DSLR with a large aperture which causes the person to be in focus and the rest of the shot to be out of focus to draw more attention to the person being photographed. Check out this shot of Tarzan. The interesting thing about this is the fact that all the other cameras offering a portrait mode (iPhone, S8, etc) achieve the blurred background by using two lenses. Google does it with one lens.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2017, 07:37:49 PM »
A big thanks, but I'm not about to upgrade or switch to another brand.

I get lots of calls from folks with 'computer problems' and, when I turn up at their home, they're usually in an Apple situation  :(
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2017, 03:56:34 AM »
A big thanks, but I'm not about to upgrade or switch to another brand.

I get lots of calls from folks with 'computer problems' and, when I turn up at their home, they're usually in an Apple situation  :(
I am not trying to talk you into switching. Personally I do not allow my friends to dictate what camera I use. I buy the best camera on the market period. Manufacturer doesn't matter to me. I want great photos and you basically can't miss with this beast.
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2017, 03:59:33 AM »
For all you geeks out there here is a great description of the new HDR+ enhanced mode:

HDR+ ... first, ignore the HDR, because that's not what it is. Google got a whole bunch of imaging ubernerds from all over the land, especially guys who worked in astronomical photography, and had them apply principles used with telescopes... devices trying to get GOOD pictures without a lot of light to play with. And artificial image processing is completely useless to an astronomer. They'd rather a blurry, noisy mess than something processed through an an algorithm, which is another astronomer's best guess what that looks like. So they came up with clever ways to improve an image without screwing with it. HDR+ is sort of a cousin of those techniques.

So what does it do? When you take a picture, the Google Camera takes a series of quick exposures with the exact same settings... 3, 5, as many as 10... and it then goes in and picks out the one that it deems to be the 'best'... it could be the one with the least blur, the one where your kid has his eyes open and looking at the camera, etc. It makes that the 'base' picture.

Then it takes all the other exposures and starts comparing the images, pixel by pixel. Simplified way of looking at it is it averages out each pixel across all the shots. Since noise is random, this will filter out a LOT of the noise and you end up with a value that is pretty much true. It also then goes in and analyzes the image to determine the proper intensity of the pixel (how bright it is). It'll then go through and stitch all those together to form the final image. It might then do a little bit of artificial noise reduction and sharpening, but not much... Google tries to use the image itself to improve its quality rather than an equation.

OK.. that's HDR+... Now, 'On' vs 'Enhanced'. It's all about HOW it takes those images.

In 'On' mode, the camera app is continuously taking exposures and keeping them in a buffer. When you hit the shutter button, it then goes in and captures the last few shots in that buffer.. more if its dark, less if it's bright (the brighter a picture, the better chance it won't need a lot of work done on it). Then it processes them.

In 'Enhanced', it goes a little deeper. Rather than using the continuous steam, it stops that buffer. It will then go an try to set the exposure on the brightest part of the image while also increasing the light sensitivity (ISO) quite high. Now, for most cameras, that means a dark and noisy shot. Why take dark noisy pictures? Well, HDR+ is pretty clever. It can go an in clean up the noise in those dark regions and use the information to boost the lowlights. So if you are taking a picture of someone with bright clouds behind them, no only will you be able to see their faces, the clouds behind won't be blown out.

Now, since "Enhanced" takes more grunt work, you lose that instant shutter speed of the default mode. But what you gain is the ability to take a good picture in an extremely challenging situation... usually where you have a wide range of lighting, or if you are trying to take a really dark or night shot.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2017, 07:10:33 AM »
Thanks for the explanation, Tom. That takes a lot of processor. Very interesting approach to it.

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Now, since "Enhanced" takes more grunt work, you lose that instant shutter speed of the default mode. But what you gain is the ability to take a good picture in an extremely challenging situation... usually where you have a wide range of lighting, or if you are trying to take a really dark or night shot.

So you also need to hold the camera steady for a longer time, to enable those extra pics to have a chance of matching (tripod anyone?  ;D)
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2017, 09:16:59 AM »
Thanks for the explanation, Tom. That takes a lot of processor. Very interesting approach to it.

So you also need to hold the camera steady for a longer time, to enable those extra pics to have a chance of matching (tripod anyone?  ;D)
You are welcome Larry. It is very interesting that there is a processor chip in the phone that is not hooked up yet. It will take a software update to bring the chip to life. It is an 8 core system on a chip (SoC) that is going to be used for the HDR+ mode. My camera doesn't have the update yet but it should come at any time. It is a pretty healthy processor capable of 3 trillion operations per second. Now that is trillion with a T, not billion with a B. It is suppose to improve things quite a bit.

http://bgr.com/2017/10/18/pixel-2-specs-pixel-visual-core-camera-processor/
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2017, 02:31:16 PM »
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The shot you posted looks like it should have had the flash turned on.

Agreed. I always forget to turn the flash on when using the camera in my phone  :-[
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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2017, 02:37:12 PM »
Agreed. I always forget to turn the flash on when using the camera in my phone  :-[
I do too. I try and look at each photo to see if a flash would help. But basically I learned that if you are photographing something closer than a few away the flash almost always helps. If nothing else it removes shadows from the subject that can be distracting.
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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2017, 03:20:36 PM »
Understood. In this case, the result wasn't critical; I just needed to know where the audio input jacks were, so I could show someone who's borrowed my DVD player and will be leading singing in my place at Tuesday's luncheon meeting. At this time every year, our retired guys club sings the marching songs of all 5 branches of the service; But this year my other half is having surgery on the day of the meeting. Our alternate lead singer will use the facility's audio system, whereas I normally drag my own along.
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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2017, 01:23:29 PM »
I am shocked. I went to one of my ukulele meetups this morning and found out we are going to be riding in the Christmas parade just like last year. We decided to do the exact same medley as last year. Deck the Halls, Frosty the Snowman and Rockin' Around the Xmas Tree. They passed out lyric sheets with chords and we practiced it many times. But I have a problem. I am playing bass again this year and I had a hard time last year practicing the medley because I could not find those songs on YouTube in the key we are playing them in (C) and following the arrangement we decided on. So I asked if we could shoot a quick video after class and everyone agreed it was a good idea. I volunteered to video it with my new Pixel and the results shocked me. I wasn't planning on doing any videoing so I didn't bring my tripod so I had to sit still and video the 4 minute song. The shocking thing is how well the IOS and EOS worked. The image is rock solid. It almost looks like it was shot using a tripod. The only problem I had was since it was my first video with this camera I didn't get the framing right so everything is off to the left a bit. I watched this on my 55 inch 4k TV and it looked exceptional. Hard to believe this was shot with a cell phone. The parade is December 2nd in Winter Park at 8 am in case anyone is in the area and wants to come and throw money at us. ;D

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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2017, 09:52:09 PM »
Thanks for sharing Tom.

Great video from that camera.

The uke group needs some lower register voices but, of course, it's tough for us (looow register) folks to sing in the key of C. Sometimes we just have to sing an octave lower.
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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2017, 04:35:11 AM »
Thanks Tom - We aren't much of singers that is for sure. The group is composed of 90% women so we don't have a lot of bass. My voice is shot so I don't even bother to sing anymore. The very best part of this group is the pot luck we have every month. The food is fabulous. :D
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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2017, 08:17:09 AM »
Mighty stable, Tom -- that actually was handheld? Wow!
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2017, 08:21:59 AM »
Mighty stable, Tom -- that actually was handheld? Wow!
Yes it was. You can see that it was handheld because I slowly move the camera around. Not moved around on purpose, it is just hard to keep the exact same frame for four minutes. My tripod gets very little use already so now it will become extinct. :)
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« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2017, 01:01:37 PM »
Both of my cats were staring out the window waiting for a squirrel to run down the tree and I took out my Pixel and waited for a squirrel to show up. I got tired of waiting so I just snapped a shot anyway to see how well the HDR was working. Then I took a shot with my Fuji bridge camera without HDR. Here is the results:
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« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2017, 06:46:48 AM »
Mighty stable, Tom -- that actually was handheld? Wow!
Larry - Google is finally offering an explanation of how their anti-shake systems work. It is really tough to read because it is very technical. So if your head starts to explode while reading it just scroll on down to the motorcycle footage to blow your mind.

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« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2017, 08:26:55 AM »
Wow! Thanks for the link, Tom. Their explanation makes sense, and covers some aspects of motion/blur I'd never thought/heard of. This means they have a LOT of computing power in there just for the camera. And those last two videos (motorcycle and sand dunes) are incredible.

Now if they'd add 28mm-250mm (35mm equivalent) zoom (or better) and manual adjustments, it'd be the closest thing to a perfect camera (except for viewfinder--I still need one of those, too) I could imagine. But it'd be super for my bicycle. I always get some bounce (not as bad as the mc vid, though) when a camera is mounted on the handlebars. But expensive...
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« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2017, 09:39:25 AM »
Wow! Thanks for the link, Tom. Their explanation makes sense, and covers some aspects of motion/blur I'd never thought/heard of. This means they have a LOT of computing power in there just for the camera. And those last two videos (motorcycle and sand dunes) are incredible.

Now if they'd add 28mm-250mm (35mm equivalent) zoom (or better) and manual adjustments, it'd be the closest thing to a perfect camera (except for viewfinder--I still need one of those, too) I could imagine. But it'd be super for my bicycle. I always get some bounce (not as bad as the mc vid, though) when a camera is mounted on the handlebars. But expensive...
Expensive but the good news is new technology always filters down and becomes cheaper. I remember my first VCR costs $1200 wholesale in the mid seventies. 4K TVs are now on sale for under $400 for a 55 inch set.
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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2017, 04:20:54 PM »
This camera is super in low light. No noise, no blur.  :))
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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2017, 05:30:42 PM »
Nice shot, Tom. You captured that fog mighty well.

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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2017, 05:43:59 PM »
Thanks Larry. Actually the fog captured me. It was interesting driving this morning. ;D
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« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2017, 11:36:54 AM »
I love the new portrait mode. It works very well. I think Tarzan is looking for some attention. ::)
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« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2017, 11:47:30 PM »
Wow!

I am impressed.
I'm starting to shop for my next phone. Need that one on my list

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« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2017, 05:41:55 AM »
Wow!

I am impressed.
I'm starting to shop for my next phone. Need that one on my list
This is a great time to be shopping for a phone, there are many great ones available besides the Pixel. The iPhone X, LG V30, Samsung Note and S8 and a few others. You really can't go wrong, they are all equipped with excellent cameras right about the same level as mine. I bought the Pixel because I am a dedicated Googleaholic and because I wanted to use Google's Project Fi. If you don't know about Fi then read thisother thread of mine:

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« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2017, 05:03:51 PM »
I was looking into fi when it first came out, but was fairly limited in coverage, and only the Nexus phones were being offered. I decided to wait a while.
Now may be the time re-think it. I like the data policy they are discussing, though I can run 30-40 GB a month, right now. On the other hand, over 30 is costing me a bit, and I need to re-think my whole data usage.
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« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2017, 05:46:33 PM »
I was looking into fi when it first came out, but was fairly limited in coverage, and only the Nexus phones were being offered. I decided to wait a while.
Now may be the time re-think it. I like the data policy they are discussing, though I can run 30-40 GB a month, right now. On the other hand, over 30 is costing me a bit, and I need to re-think my whole data usage.
With that much data Fi won't work for you. That would be $300 to $400 per month. Now they have the best coverage in the country. As time marches on more companies will be building Fi into their phones. I anticipate the day all carriers use all networks. But that is five to ten years down the line.
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« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2017, 08:44:47 PM »
With that much data Fi won't work for you. That would be $300 to $400 per month. Now they have the best coverage in the country. As time marches on more companies will be building Fi into their phones. I anticipate the day all carriers use all networks. But that is five to ten years down the line.

By the time we actually hit the road, now, We may not need all the Data. Most of it is for work. And I have been testing my NetGear WiFi extender connecting to wifi at places like starbucks and others that still offer free wifi. It works fairly well.
We'll see after the FCC guy finishes his shenanigans, though, just what we end up with.

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« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2017, 04:16:52 AM »
By the time we actually hit the road, now, We may not need all the Data. Most of it is for work. And I have been testing my NetGear WiFi extender connecting to wifi at places like starbucks and others that still offer free wifi. It works fairly well.
We'll see after the FCC guy finishes his shenanigans, though, just what we end up with.
Well the nice thing about Google is that it is easy to take it for a test drive and use it for only one month. No contracts to sign. Very user friendly web site. And if you do sign up don't forget to use my code and we both save $20. Fi comes with a bunch of free Wifi too.
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« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2018, 10:29:36 AM »
You're right Lars, nothing's certain with the net neutrality gone. I'm interested to see what happens in the next few years too. I bet nothing good for the end consumer.

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« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2018, 06:29:15 AM »
Android Headlines web site just voted the Pixel 2 as the Best Android Smartphone of 2017. Actually that would make it the best smartphone of 2017 period.

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« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2018, 08:59:55 AM »
My brother and I both spend a lot of time every day watching a pair of baby eagles (eaglets) in a nest down in Fort Myers. They are about a month old and we have been watching them every day since before the eggs were even conceived. This morning I decided to see if I could get it to come in on my TV and when I did I took a photo to send to my brother. I am blown away by this camera. It managed to get the room which is very dark, the bright TV and the very bright outdoors all visible. The HDR works so well. The photo is a little blue but this is the way it came out of the camera. If you are interested in checking the eaglets out just search for Southwest Florida Eagle Cam.
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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2018, 09:47:14 AM »
Joe Satriani is my all time favorite guitarist who did not play in the Beatles. Last night I got to see him in concert with G3 at the Hard Rock Cafe in Orlando. My ticket was in the very last row about 50 feet from the stage. The room is pitch black except for the spotlights and I am 50 feet away from my subject. Can't get much more challenging than that. The Pixel produced very nice results. Not super great, but acceptable considering the circumstances.
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« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2018, 09:57:40 AM »
Wish I had been there, he's one of my favorites also, along with Steve Vai. I assume Petrucci was playing too, was anyone else there?
Nice pics too. I get aggravated at my phone taking low light pics. It's really terrible. Tried to get pic of moon this morning. What a waste of my time.
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« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2018, 01:26:03 PM »
I love Steve Vai too, I just saw his 25th anniversary tour of Peace and Warfare. Yep it was John Pedrucci and Phil Collen rounding out the cast. Excellent show.
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« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2018, 09:59:32 PM »
I have been trying out the Portrait mode. It is a setting that allows you to take a shot with only the subject in focus and the rest of the shot blurry. Like when you use one of the 20th century cameras and you had to stop it down for massive depth of field. With this camera you set it to Portrait Mode and it gives you two shots, one without blurring and one with blurring. You can elect to keep either one or throw either one away. Too cool.

There are several pairs of Sandhill Cranes that come by to see me every day. They are really tame. I had the camera about one foot from his beak (bill?) He just stood there and stared at me. He did hiss a little bit but not much. Lots of people in the park feed them so they stay here year round instead of migrating. They have a regular route that they follow every day to take advantage of the free food.
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« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2018, 07:02:19 AM »
Nice!
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« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2018, 05:36:34 AM »
If only his full beak had been pin sharp I'd have preferred that photo. What a great feature! Oh and great pic too!
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« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2018, 12:33:54 PM »
Thanks Jackie. When I bought the Pixel in November is was at the top of the DXOmark list with a score of 98. Today I discovered it was beaten by the new Samsung S9 with a score of 99. I am thrilled watching the phone makers knock themselves out producing better and better cameras. When I upgraded my phone to Oreo last month they added several new features to the phone. It just keeps on getting better and better. Old style cameras used to go out of date quickly as new features were added to the new phones the only way to get the new feature was to sell it and buy a new camera. Now they upgrade it silently.
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« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2018, 07:19:46 AM »
Thanks Jackie. When I bought the Pixel in November is was at the top of the DXOmark list with a score of 98. Today I discovered it was beaten by the new Samsung S9 with a score of 99. I am thrilled watching the phone makers knock themselves out producing better and better cameras. When I upgraded my phone to Oreo last month they added several new features to the phone. It just keeps on getting better and better. Old style cameras used to go out of date quickly as new features were added to the new phones the only way to get the new feature was to sell it and buy a new camera. Now they upgrade it silently.
I read a review that said the S9+ had a better camera. The prices are crazy though.
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« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2018, 07:35:58 AM »
I read a review that said the S9+ had a better camera. The prices are crazy though.

Yeah. You can buy a nice DSLR for a lot less than some of the pocket computers/cameras ("Oh, by the way, there's a phone in there somewhere, too.") cost.
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« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2018, 08:44:56 AM »
Yeah. You can buy a nice DSLR for a lot less than some of the pocket computers/cameras ("Oh, by the way, there's a phone in there somewhere, too.") cost.
Yes you can and my cell phone camera can do many things that no DSLR can do including not needing an SD card since it comes with unlimited storage for free. And it uploads all the photos to my computer automatically.
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« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2018, 08:49:45 AM »
I read a review that said the S9+ had a better camera. The prices are crazy though.
I paid $900 for my Pixel and it is worth every cent. DXO said the still camera was much better but the video was not quite as good. It got a 104 for the camera and 91 for the video for an overall average score of 99. I am thrilled. I can only imagine what the cameras of five years from now will be like. Anyone who wants to read the S9 review it is here:

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« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2018, 10:57:44 AM »
Yes you can and my cell phone camera can do many things that no DSLR can do including not needing an SD card since it comes with unlimited storage for free. And it uploads all the photos to my computer automatically.

Not needing an SD card? Then that obviously means online storage, which I don't want. Nor do I want it to automatically upload pics to my computer -- that's something I want to control for myself each time.

As for things no SLR can do, you may be talking about certain processing things, but my SLR can zoom in tight, roughly 8x with the current lens, without loss of quality, and it has a better lens in the first place. And... well, you know all the benny's of an actual camera, but since the convenience and certain features are important to you, then that's the way for you to go. It just doesn't apply to everyone, as some of your posts tend to indicate.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2018, 08:21:00 PM »
About the same time in December when I bought my iPhone X Plus, I also spent $1k on a Sony RX100 V (version 5) point and shoot camera, which has a larger Sony sensor and about a thousand settings as well as a super auto setting. Both are smaller and more convenient to use than my 50x digital zoom 2013 Sony Cybershot DSC-HX300, which has a 1200m telescoping lens that is great for hikers who don't want to carry a lens bag.

The RX 100 takes better pictures on Super Auto than the iPhone, but it's less convenient when it comes to putting the pictures on the phone and on iCloud. It's easier to email iPhone pictures right away than to mess with the other two cameras, which I have to connect to a computer to transfer pictures (easier than using the RX100's wifi feature, which is clunky.).

Basically, the iPhone is a Sony camera set to Super iAuto. What I like about it most of the time is that its big screen gives you a better look at your newest pictures. It lets you zoom in and out, and it adjusts for the light pretty well. Also, in bright sunlight, I can see what I'm shooting on the iPhone a lot better than on the RX-100. Indeed, in really bright light, I can't see what I'm shooting with the latter camera even when I take off my sunglasses.

The RX100 is a better wide angle camera, and it is much better in rooms with poor light. Further, you can manually set the aperture and shutter speed to get great photos in the dark and in poor lighting situations. Spend $10 or so on the book, The complete guid to Sony's Cybershot RX-100 by Gary L. Friedman. I have the ebook version from Amazon. The book covers version one of the camera and is out of date regarding a lot of the setting, but it's incredibly interesting and useful. The author raves about the camera's capabilities compared with larger single lens reflex cameras he owns. He uses the camera to shoot pictures of his grandkids, etc.

I shoot mostly landscapes and nature. A few pictures of people. And I'm mostly a point and shoot photographer. But I use some of the manual settings in special situations when I'm using my RX-100.

For bird and nature photography, especially on trips to Alaska and Yellowstone, etc, you can't beat the DSC-HX300. I like it better than my older Nikon telescoping camera. Its limitation, however, is that when you telescope out into digital zooms, the pictures are not as you get with a real long range lens. So I have to keep that in mind when I use that camera.

Bottom line, if you're an Apple ecoSystem customer like me, the iPhone X is worth the money and great fun. I'm taking a lot more photos with it than I did with earlier iPhones. You can use the iPhone out of the box. I've spent a lot of hours with Friedman's very detailed RX-100 manual, and I have a lot to learn with that one.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #60 on: March 09, 2018, 05:50:07 PM »
Not needing an SD card? Then that obviously means online storage, which I don't want. Nor do I want it to automatically upload pics to my computer -- that's something I want to control for myself each time.

As for things no SLR can do, you may be talking about certain processing things, but my SLR can zoom in tight, roughly 8x with the current lens, without loss of quality, and it has a better lens in the first place. And... well, you know all the benny's of an actual camera, but since the convenience and certain features are important to you, then that's the way for you to go. It just doesn't apply to everyone, as some of your posts tend to indicate.
I can't imagine why anyone would not want to have their photos automatically uploaded to the Internet. It is way cheaper, much faster and a lot easier then the traditional pull out the SD card, insert it into the computer and then wait for all the photos to be uploaded. I just open my app and all the photos are there. And the big advantage is that they are also on my TV, my backup phone, my laptop and my Chromebook.

But when I say that cell phones can do things that SLRs can't I am not just talking about processing. Android now includes Lens, which identifies items that you point the camera at. There are countless mostly free apps that add a bunch of different functions to the camera. You can't change the way a DSLR shoots at all. You are stuck with the options you get from the factory. I can email a photo directly from my phone in about 10 seconds. I can post directly to Facebook (or any other social media) right from the camera. But for me the best part about my cell phone camera is the fact the images that come out of the camera are so incredible I haven't used Lightroom or Photoshop in years. No need. The photos that come out of my Pixel never need any post processing. I am very satisfied with about 95% of the shots I get. The time I save not having to upload and not having to post process is amazing.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #61 on: March 10, 2018, 08:02:03 AM »
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I can't imagine why anyone would not want to have their photos automatically uploaded to the Internet. It is way cheaper, much faster and a lot easier then the traditional pull out the SD card, insert it into the computer and then wait for all the photos to be uploaded. I just open my app and all the photos are there. And the big advantage is that they are also on my TV, my backup phone, my laptop and my Chromebook.

First, I don't want my pix on the internet, except certain specific ones that I decide to post somewhere. Second, I don't want my pix all those places you list -- only on my main computer -- unless I choose to copy a specific pic to someplace.

All those things you mention are not something I want to do, Tom.

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You can't change the way a DSLR shoots at all. You are stuck with the options you get from the factory.

I'm not even sure what that means. My DSLR does what I want it to do, as a still camera. BTW I tried to take a video with it of an RC model airplane in flight, and I couldn't see enough in the screen on the back to even tell where the airplane was (can't use the viewfinder on video), I could hardly even see the surroundings. I have the exact same problem with my pocket computer, with the added limitation that you can't zoom in (this is part of why I have a good camcorder). But the viewfinder (actual through the lens, not electronic) lets me do stills without interference from ambient lighting, and I can zoom in tight (a real zoom, not electronic).

Of course you know about those capabilities, Tom, but your needs seem to be different from mine.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #62 on: March 10, 2018, 10:13:01 AM »
Larry I am sorry if I am offending you. I am not trying to convince you to switch cameras. I am merely stating my reasons for using a cell phone camera.
I would like to apologize to anyone I have not yet offended. Please be patient and I will get to you shortly.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #63 on: March 10, 2018, 10:40:19 AM »
I bought one of these several years ago for the OH's Christmas. He uses it all the time and especially when taking video.

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Re: My new camera
« Reply #64 on: March 10, 2018, 12:27:04 PM »
Larry I am sorry if I am offending you. I am not trying to convince you to switch cameras. I am merely stating my reasons for using a cell phone camera.

You're not offending me, Tom, but when you say something like, "I can't imagine why anyone would not want to have their photos automatically uploaded to the Internet," along with much else you said, it sounded as if there was no other way to go, so I tried to give a different perspective. Perhaps a slight change of wording on both our parts could make this more comfortable in both directions. 
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #65 on: March 10, 2018, 12:40:53 PM »
I bought one of these several years ago for the OH's Christmas. He uses it all the time and especially when taking video.

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Although it's a neat looking gadget, that's over half the cost of my Nikon, Jackie. I'd prefer to add some money and have a proper camcorder, one in which I could also zoom without jerking, have constant auto-focus and do some other things that are marginal at best on the Nikon (video wise). But it's a neat gadget I've never come across before. Thanks.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #66 on: March 10, 2018, 04:52:54 PM »
Although it's a neat looking gadget, that's over half the cost of my Nikon, Jackie. I'd prefer to add some money and have a proper camcorder, one in which I could also zoom without jerking, have constant auto-focus and do some other things that are marginal at best on the Nikon (video wise). But it's a neat gadget I've never come across before. Thanks.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #67 on: March 10, 2018, 08:45:24 PM »
Glad it worked out well for y'all.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2018, 04:42:35 PM »
For those of you who do not know me (you are lucky) I am a retired wildlife photographer and three years ago I bought an iPhone 6 and sold my DSLR stuff. At that point I started using my iPhone for about 99% of my shots. I kept my 50x zoom bridge camera for the really long telephoto shots since cell phone cameras can't do telephoto yet but I rarely use it anymore. I only lasted a year with the iPhone and got out because I just did not fit in the Apple ecosystem. I then returned to Android with a Samsung S6 but only kept it a few months because I did not like the Samsung universe. I replaced it with an LG G4 that I have been using for the last year and a half. It was getting long in the tooth and when Google announced the new Pixel cameras it got my attention. I immediately ordered the Pixel 2 XL.

I still haul around way too much DSLR gear but given I always have my phone with me, that gets a lot more use! I'm still clinging to my "old" Galaxy Note 4 since that was the last version in that line that had a replaceable battery. But I have been keeping an eye on the new Pixels. It's pretty obvious from all your great shots that they've come a long way with smartphone photography.

Hard to believe that I was once envious of a friend's Sony Mavica with it's amazing 0.3 MP resolution images captured to an astounding ;D 1.4 MB floppy disc.

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Re: My new camera
« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2018, 05:16:41 PM »
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #70 on: April 29, 2018, 06:11:31 PM »
Very nice images Tom, I like the ones of your kitties. The quality of cell phone cameras now is amazing. I have an iPhone 7. It does pretty well. This is my 3rd iPhone and my least favorite. When the time comes to replace it I may look at other options. The Pixel sounds like a very nice device.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #71 on: April 30, 2018, 03:01:06 AM »
Very nice images Tom, I like the ones of your kitties. The quality of cell phone cameras now is amazing. I have an iPhone 7. It does pretty well. This is my 3rd iPhone and my least favorite. When the time comes to replace it I may look at other options. The Pixel sounds like a very nice device.
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Re: My new camera
« Reply #72 on: April 30, 2018, 12:32:24 PM »
Not needing an SD card? Then that obviously means online storage, which I don't want. Nor do I want it to automatically upload pics to my computer -- that's something I want to control for myself each time.

As for things no SLR can do, you may be talking about certain processing things, but my SLR can zoom in tight, roughly 8x with the current lens, without loss of quality, and it has a better lens in the first place. And... well, you know all the benny's of an actual camera, but since the convenience and certain features are important to you, then that's the way for you to go. It just doesn't apply to everyone, as some of your posts tend to indicate.

We think a lot alike.  Phones are for taking pictures.  Cameras are for photography.  There is a difference, in my opinion.