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Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« on: November 17, 2017, 08:26:55 AM »
I realize there's another thread that discusses some FF issues but this one is specifically about the 57.0 "upgrade."

Mozilla did it again, we have a new release of FF and it broke several of my extensions and there are no replacements. They intentionally stopped supporting a video feature that I used to use when looking at my surveillance videos a couple of releases ago but I used Chrome for that application.

Broken extensions:

JSOff - turns off Java scripting (I use this to avoid annoying popovers that want you to sign up to view content)
Flash control - stop the annoying Flash based videos
BBcodeXtra - using this is the easiest way to make a link in most forums by highlighting words and right clicking

I would move completely to Chrome but they don't have the rich set of add-ons (extensions) FF does. So I downgraded to 56.02 (64 bit) and life is good again.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2017, 08:34:08 AM »
I downloaded FF about a year ago, but have never used it. So far Chrome has done all I need it to.  But you do a lot more Web stuff than I do.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2017, 09:05:32 AM »
Like you John, I have downgraded to 56.0.2 and that seemed to restore most of my add-on's and resurrected the URL menu line. I did not realize until your note that many of my extensions were dumped.  Now to find out how to prevent another automatic upgrade!!

Thanks for this post which made me realize that a downgrade was possible.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2017, 09:42:41 AM »
All my extensions worked with 57, but I suspect that those that stopped working will get updated soon (unless the owner has abandoned them, which happens).

The performance improvement in 57 is dramatic!
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2017, 09:53:13 AM »
All my extensions worked with 57, but I suspect that those that stopped working will get updated soon (unless the owner has abandoned them, which happens).

The performance improvement in 57 is dramatic!

No sure the term I used, "dumped", was correct. I found them all in a "legacy" folder but it seemed to me they were not working properly AFIK. After installing V56 they are still marked "legacy'  in the listings, all but "view page in IE" appear to be working. That may be the fault of windows though, I have not needed to use it in a long time.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2017, 09:59:25 AM »
Some legacy extensions can't/won't work with FF57 (Mozilla audits them to determine which ones), and they get disabled. If you click Tools|Add-ons you'll see which ones have been deactivated. There's also a button to find an alternative/replacement.

For me it was TabMix Plus, and none of the alternatives do the same things. The TMP author has said he can do a complete rewrite, but needs help.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2017, 11:45:25 AM »
The fun just never stops around here. I have a fairly new Dell XPS13 laptop running W10 and it just updated - a "major" update or whatever it said.

Update finished and I went to use my Dell USB-C dongle (provides Ethernet, HDMI and a regular USB port) and now that's broken. We have a USB driver problem - Windows now doesn't recognize the device.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

But wait, there's more. I've been off and on a large project to completely overhaul and update my network connectivity at the ranch (several outbuildings) with Ubiquiti UniFi Mesh and I was ready to to start the cutover this morning. And dummy me I didn't write down the login/password for the UniFi controller which is how every device is controlled and configured. Even the saved logins from Firefox wouldn't work. Good grief.

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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2017, 12:07:52 PM »
John - I was forced to use my Windows machine for some scanning and it had to update first. Took well over three hours and the computer still runs like crap. I am sure glad I don't use Windows everyday. My Chromebook is a million times better.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2017, 12:53:35 PM »
I quit updating FF at 54.0.1. If Chrome had the feature set and available add-ons that I prefer, I'd quite willingly switch. As it is, I'll be looking at other alternatives to see if I can find a good fit for me. Hmmm, I haven't looked at Opera or Safari lately, and there's a new browser called "Midori" I've heard some good things about...
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2017, 03:28:24 PM »
John - I was forced to use my Windows machine for some scanning and it had to update first. Took well over three hours and the computer still runs like crap. I am sure glad I don't use Windows everyday. My Chromebook is a million times better.
Windows 10 can be super fast as long as the hardware is fast. I rebuilt my tower for the coach with a fast 7th gen Intel i7 cpu and installed W10 on a fast SSD. The PC will literally boot in about 4 or 5 seconds. It's now the best PC I have out of.. I lost count  ;)

I've been a Linux fanboy for 20 years and tried to move to it for my primary box years ago but the rich suite of apps isn't there like they are for a Mac or Windows.

Dutch - there ya' go. FF for all of its problems has a bunch of 3rd party support. I haven't played with Opera for years, I should check it out and the others you mentioned.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2017, 03:49:36 PM »
I gave up on FF at about V 28 or 29 and switch to Chrome.  I've never looked back.  Every update with FF would screw something up on my home computer and I finally just grew tired of messing with it.  I've got Chrome on my home computer, Nexus 6P phone, tablet, and my Microsoft Surface Pro.  Everybody is happy.....including me.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2017, 05:33:57 PM »
Have given up on FF. now use Chrome..
Of course mostly I use a Chrome BOOK instead of a Windows for Internet stuff. Cleaner, Faster, Better

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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2017, 05:36:06 AM »
I realize there's another thread that discusses some FF issues but this one is specifically about the 57.0 "upgrade."

Mozilla did it again, we have a new release of FF and it broke several of my extensions and there are no replacements. They intentionally stopped supporting a video feature that I used to use when looking at my surveillance videos a couple of releases ago but I used Chrome for that application.

Broken extensions:

JSOff - turns off Java scripting (I use this to avoid annoying popovers that want you to sign up to view content)
Flash control - stop the annoying Flash based videos
BBcodeXtra - using this is the easiest way to make a link in most forums by highlighting words and right clicking

I would move completely to Chrome but they don't have the rich set of add-ons (extensions) FF does. So I downgraded to 56.02 (64 bit) and life is good again.


I never take any updates until I check what is changed.  Found out FF 57 upgrade was is a complete NEW browser called Firefox Optima.  I side loaded on my PC using the "portable install" capability so I could keep my fully functional FF and all my extensions intact.  Been using Optima now for a week and totally impressed with its speed and response but 2 or 3 of my extensions won't run on it yet. So I have my regular FF ready to fall back when I need to use those extensions.  Unfortunate no clear warning was given and no way to stop the nuisance notification that I can find concerning a new update is available.  Hopefully you can reinstall the version of FF you had your extensions all working on
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2017, 06:44:31 AM »
Chrome books are great if you only use the computer for internet browsing. Those of us who have other computing needs don't have that option.  I use the Chrome browser on my phone and tablets, though.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2017, 07:06:15 AM »
I decided I wanted to study some foreign language today so I came to this thread......lol   Just kidding folks but while we have two or three laptops and a PC in the house, neither of us are very savvy in computer operation.  Actually, the wife is the one with the most patience and usually gets my laptop straightened out when I lead it off track.  But thanks for this thread I have learned some things before I try to update the FF.  I use Chrome on my laptop and she uses FF with Win10.  I still have Win8 because I missed the period for the free UG but have no regrets because I like the Chrome better than FF.  Will download 57 and see what mayhem I can cause. 

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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2017, 07:15:53 AM »
... Unfortunate no clear warning was given and no way to stop the nuisance notification that I can find concerning a new update is available.  Hopefully you can reinstall the version of FF you had your extensions all working on
You can turn that off in FF options.

Chrome books are great if you only use the computer for internet browsing. Those of us who have other computing needs don't have that option.  I use the Chrome browser on my phone and tablets, though.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2017, 07:20:16 AM »
I gave up on FF at about V 28 or 29 and switch to Chrome.  I've never looked back.  Every update with FF would screw something up on my home computer and I finally just grew tired of messing with it.  I've got Chrome on my home computer, Nexus 6P phone, tablet, and my Microsoft Surface Pro.  Everybody is happy.....including me.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2017, 08:10:05 AM »
Another user of Chrome on a tablet, but I just use the tablet as a consumption (reading) device, and a laptop PC with FF for other stuff. I almost never do any browsing from my phone, and it has whatever browser came with the phone.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2017, 08:29:50 AM »
  I use Opera with Duck-Duck-Go, has a VPN and been doing well over the last 2 years! I even use it on this old 2009 MacBook Air! Getting so sick of Microsoft and their 3-6 hr. updates and  forced Upgrades. The Fall Creator Upgrade Version 1709 has many problems!
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2017, 08:35:45 AM »

For me it was TabMix Plus, and none of the alternatives do the same things. The TMP author has said he can do a complete rewrite, but needs help.

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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2017, 08:41:20 AM »
I hadn't looked at Opera for several years, so I installed last night for a test drive. I'm slowly bending it to my will, and I will say I'm impressed with it so far. Finding an add-on that let me add a permanently displayed left column bookmark list was a big step forward, overcoming a limitation that's turned me off on a couple of other browsers. I also found an add-on that will let me install Chrome add-ons as well as the Opera specific ones, so that should add a bit more versatility. Now to figure out a bottom status bar that will display the weather, etc... :)
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2017, 09:30:43 AM »
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If you find something that works, please let me know.

Bernie, it might be time to go back to VA  ;D

I haven't spent much time looking for alternatives to TMP, other than trying one out and reading the blurb on the others that are listed Under Legacy Extensions|TMP|Find a replacement.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2017, 12:21:30 PM »
... I also found an add-on that will let me install Chrome add-ons as well as the Opera specific ones, so that should add a bit more versatility. Now to figure out a bottom status bar that will display the weather, etc... :)
Is there AdBlock or something similar for Opera?

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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2017, 01:10:59 PM »
Opera has a "native" ad and pop-up blocker built in, and there are add-ons that enhance it. I have't investigated all the possibilities yet though, so I won't make any recommendations.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2017, 08:55:55 AM »
You can turn that off in FF options.
The idea with the Chromebook was to basically use the device like a bisync terminal connected to a mainframe - everything is located on the "mainframe" or cloud with the Chromebook. Like you, I need more capability.

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Where is the option to turn off upgrade notification the only options I see concerning updates is to never to check for updates.  I just don't want to have notification that an update exist
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2017, 09:33:07 AM »
I haven't tested it yet, but Never Check for Updates should mean there will be no notifications. If that doesn't work, there is probably a way to shut that down completely. Enter about:config in the browser bar and look at the list of app.update.xxxx preferences.

If I'm still getting notifications I'll start playing with the app.update group of preferences.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2017, 01:40:56 PM »
Check out the Brave web browser here: https://brave.com/. Have been using it for a year and love it. Safe, fast and free.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2017, 06:05:39 PM »
Bernie, it might be time to go back to VA  ;D

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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2017, 06:42:19 PM »
Bernie, in case someone thinks I'm telling you to return to Virginia, I should explain that VA = Virtual Access, one of a genre of software apps known as an offline reader (aka OLR). In the day, OLRs were the most efficient way to interface with forums that used Compuserve/AOL's HMI (host-micro interface). I thought we'd never wean Bernie off VA  ;D

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Looked it up recently and a current usable version on W-10 isn't available.

Coincidentally, I've been trying to resurrect the OzWin OLR to look at a backup of our prior database.

Fixed (my) typo; OLR = offline reader i.e. messages were downloaded and read offline, minimizing both the Compuserve/AOL charges and expensive cell minutes.
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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2017, 07:28:34 PM »
I hated to give up Ozwin, too.  ;D

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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2017, 07:49:11 PM »
I'm coming to hate FF 57.0, mainly the tab handling. Time to look for an alternative. Meanwhile, I don't see the touted speed/performance improvement, but see lots of dancing dots that blame the respective web sites for slowing things down  ???
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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2017, 08:38:36 PM »
Opera is starting to look more like a keeper for me. I still haven't found a suitable replacement for the bottom status bar in FF though.
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« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2017, 08:40:48 AM »
Bernie, in case someone thinks I'm telling you to return to Virginia, I should explain that VA = Virtual Access, ...
I thought it had something to do with the Veteran's Administration  8).

I'm guessing there will be a V57.01 (or V57.1) released soon but I'm not playing unless the old add-ons work. I think the developers really screwed up big time with their later releases.
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« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2017, 04:18:02 PM »
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I'm coming to hate FF 57.0, mainly the tab handling. Time to look for an alternative. Meanwhile, I don't see the touted speed/performance improvement, but see lots of dancing dots that blame the respective web sites for slowing things down  ???

I've reluctantly switched from FF to Opera. Haven't used it for years, but it's so much faster than FF57.0 and doesn't sit saying it's waiting for 'slow' web pages to load; Those same pages load instantly in Opera. The default tab handling in O is much more intuitive.

Being a long-time FF user, I didn't think I'd be saying this, but it looks like it might be bye bye FF. I haven't fine tuned all the preferences/settings in Opera, and there are a few things I haven't yet figured out. Meanwhile, has anyone figured out how to replace the page(s) of large icons on the bookmarks page with a list tree? The latter would make it faster to get to/click my bookmarks. I see the Bookmarks Bar in O, but I don't want to have to re-build anything, given that I imported everything from FF. TIA.
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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2017, 06:04:13 PM »
Tom, try installing the "V7 Bookmarks" extension. That works well for me. I've also found "User-Agent Switcher" useful when I run into a site that says it only supports IE, FF, and Chrome. Opera is Chrome based, so I just change the User-Agent to one of the supported versions and the site is happy.
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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2017, 06:17:58 PM »
Thanks Dutch.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2017, 06:50:28 PM »

Update finished and I went to use my Dell USB-C dongle (provides Ethernet, HDMI and a regular USB port) and now that's broken. We have a USB driver problem - Windows now doesn't recognize the device.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

John, I have an ethernet dongle on my desktop which I also had a problem with after I updated. I simply unplugged it and plugged it back in and it started working again. It took me 3 restarts to get the update to finish and get several of my programs back. I have an ASUS laptop which I may not let update until I see this latest update is working properly.
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« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2017, 08:19:04 AM »
Just tried my dongle and it's still not recognized, I'll try rebooting the laptop a couple of times. I did look for a driver but no joy.

Tom - interesting that Opera is so much faster, now you've piqued my interest.
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« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2017, 09:09:54 AM »
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Tom - interesting that Opera is so much faster, now you've piqued my interest.


John, just for clarification, that's Opera v FF 57.0. Earlier versions of FF were fine. There are numerous complaints online of FF 57.0 being a slug, and many of it freezing and locking up.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2017, 09:15:12 AM »
Roger that Tom, I'd like to be a fly on the wall listening to the Mozilla developers chat about their dud.

So, one success. I uninstalled the dongle and plugged it back in and it's working again. I was doing some reading about this dongle and it's been the subject of many discussions and complaints but the driver is from Microsoft. Go figure. ::)
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2017, 10:47:48 AM »
V7 Bookmarks seems to do what I needed.
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« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2017, 04:43:15 PM »
V7 Bookmarks seems to do what I needed.

I tried several other Opera and Chrome extensions before I got to V7, Tom, and as you said, it seems to do what we both needed. I'd really like to find something like FF's bottom status bar for Opera, but no luck so far. That's not a deal killer though...
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2017, 06:21:19 PM »
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I'd like to be a fly on the wall listening to the Mozilla developers chat about their dud.


Will they know who defected to other browsers?
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2017, 08:25:13 AM »

Will they know who defected to other browsers?
Yes if they are running analytics like Google or Piwick on their server - type of browser, operating system and many other tidbits are collected and reported. I'll bet there's an Internet resource somewhere that also reports on browser use.
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« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2017, 08:48:58 AM »
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Yes if they are running analytics like Google or Piwick on their server - type of browser, operating system and many other tidbits are collected and reported.

For a download server, they'll record the fact that I downloaded 57.0 once, but it tells them nothing about the fact that I'm actually using Opera  ??? OTOH it's possible that Google gives/sells them data collected from web servers I visit, telling them actual usage.
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« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2017, 09:21:04 AM »
When I used to look at Piwick analytics running on my server, every time a page was viewed that was a 'hit' for data collection. So they can look at data collected on https://www.mozilla.org indicating what browser was used for the page view. It's sort of a 'back door' for evaluation.  Maybe five years ago, IE was more popular (no surprise) but their use was on a downward trend, I think FF was number two but I forgot. Chrome, Safari, Opera brought up the bottom of the list. If I can figure out how to get back into Piwick  :P, I'll post some stats.
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« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2017, 09:59:15 AM »
Ah yes, summary/generic stats that get reported/sold would give the overall picture. I rarely look at that level of detail on our server, unless I'm trying to track something down. Our forum stats are a very small sample of the overall picture. Original comment withdrawn.
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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2017, 08:13:16 PM »
I was trying to install FF 5.7 today, and it was just behaving strangely.
Within asking, it imported an old IE bookmarks file, and I could never get it to correctly import my Chrome book marks. Even after de-installing, and installing again. Finally dumped it. Back to Chrome.

I may try Opera, again.


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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2017, 08:23:29 PM »
"w3schools.com" collects and publishes monthly browser usage statistics going back to 2002.

https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/
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« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2017, 08:33:45 PM »
Thanks Dutch. Haven't visited W3Schools in a long time. Those stats are for visits to their site, and they're assuming that these stats can be extrapolated to all browser users on visits to all sites. But it's still interesting reading.
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« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2017, 09:44:46 PM »
w3's stats are pretty consistent with other stat analyst's numbers. Those numbers are where Mozilla will see any trends away from FF.

StatCounter Browser Market Share

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Re: Firefox V57.0 "upgrade"
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2017, 09:40:20 AM »
Curiosity made me look in the Firefox (Mozilla) support forum to see what's happening. No surprise that there were lots of "too slow" and "hanging/freezing" reports, with many more "me too" replies. Their support folks suggest a number of things to help identify &/or fix the issue, and a number of folks feel they shouldn't have to jump through hoops. I decided to try one easy-to-do suggestion:


In Menu|Tools|Options|Privacy and Security|Permissions check the box to Prevent accessibility services from accessing your browser. By gosh, things speed up! This doesn't help with the tabs issue.
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