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Re: Marijuana side topic
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2017, 07:13:58 PM »
In my young and stupid days, I more than once woke up and wondered who drove home from a party or something last night, and was shocked to find out that I did.
We were so very fortunate in those days.

In later years, I drove a tow truck, and had to clean up after many who were not as fortunate as I was.
Someone can be impaired, and still take care of the business of getting home. It is often the various distractions that actually cause the accidents. Sober people can usually handle distractions better than stoned or drunk folks.

The vomit and hangovers were nothing compared to having the old man see my shoes sitting on the hood of my car one morning. One of my very considerate drinking buddies had dropped them off. It must have been a heck of a party. One morning  my wife said where is the car. I walked over to the kitchen window and pulled the curtain back. NO CAR! Where the heck did I leave that dang thing!

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« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2017, 06:40:34 AM »
Side Side not on MJ.

There is a headline on Facebook this week. and I'm sure it's not going away.. Made it into "This is True" which is a fairly researched News letter (Yesterday's Premimum edition) about "FIrst death due to Marijuana Overdose" (A baby)

FAKE NEWS it is.. The baby died from heart problems.. There was a TRACE of the active chemical in MJ because of 2nd hand smoke but it is NOT what killed the baby (I did say This Is True is well researched, also written by a medical professional (EMT))

I do know of deaths that are tracable back to MJ.. but MJ is not the direct cause (Self Inflicted Gunshot in the one I know of).
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« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2017, 07:22:37 AM »
My point was that when a driver who is impaired gets into and accident, the impairment is always the cause, with the implication that if the person had not been impaired, they wouldnt have gotten into an accident, but with 50% or more of the accidents being caused by people who are not impaired, blaming people who are over the limit on alcohol, or being high, may not actually be the cause of the accidents they are involved in.


If a person is impaired, it will always be a factor in a traffic incident. And just as deadly is cell phone use while driving. Actually any distracted driving is deadly, regardless of the cause. All it takes is one visit to a traffic collision scene and observe mangled bodies all over the road to trash any argument contrary to that statement (I have).

And unfortunately there is another aspect of MJ use that does affect me as an RV'er. As it happens we travel to and visit many campgrounds as full timers now. I can be camped next to someone in the next site sitting outside or inside for that matter, quietly sipping an alcoholic beverage, and never be aware.  But sitting next to someone sitting outside smoking a joint terribly destroy's my experience.  And yes, that has already happened.  And no, cigarettes are not any better.   

And the other issue is that because MJ is easier to conceal and carry than an alcoholic beverage, casual use in a motor vehicle is also climbing. (As I can easily see from my elevated driving position in the RV).  So my experiences with MJ (or any illicit or prescribed drug) match Keven Means.  Just my .02 cents. 
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« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2017, 08:17:00 AM »
I asked all of them a lot of "canned" questions, and one interesting fact we learned was that 100% of them started out by experimenting with alcohol AND marijuana before moving on to stronger, more addictive drugs. Most of those using "hard drugs" were still using marijuana. That DOES NOT mean that everyone who uses marijuana is going to move on to harder drugs, but there's clearly a correlation between marijuana and harder drugs.

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Thanks for that rant Kev.  You confirmed what I have believed all along.  Marijuana is now nothing more than an introduction to harder drugs.  The ability of the federal government to totally ignore what is happening within individual states that choose to legalize it despite it being against federal law is appalling.  I am happy to have grown up in a non-drug environment but it is not too difficult to see what this one particular supposedly innocent drug is doing to society.  Yes alcohol is a problem and always will be but it does not lead to even more destructive forms of alcohol. As for medical marijuana, the fact that every Tom, Dick and Harry can get a card is proof that the system is totally out of control. I have yet to see any study that definitively proves the value of medical marijuana other than to provide a false sense of happiness.  Watch the TV program Live PD on A&E on Friday and Saturdays nights and see, live and in person, what the police are faced with. Enough of my rant too.

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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2017, 08:27:11 AM »
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And the other issue is that because MJ is easier to conceal and carry than an alcoholic beverage, casual use in a motor vehicle is also climbing. (As I can easily see from my elevated driving position in the RV).  So my experiences with MJ (or any illicit or prescribed drug) match Keven Means.  Just my .02 cents.
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« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2017, 08:50:07 AM »
  Watch the TV program Live PD on A&E on Friday and Saturdays nights and see, live and in person, what the police are faced with. Enough of my rant too.

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Yes.  About 90% of those felony arrests on Live PD are   ... " The reason I pulled you over was a burnt out tag light,  and now I can smell pot ".

The smell of weed is their favorite reason to search.  So when the arrest numbers go up,   they hire more police.

 IMO...after the arrest the public is not really any safer.


After they legalize it the police will just be writing a bunch of 'Fix-it tickets'
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« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2017, 10:05:42 AM »
Saying marijuana is a gateway drug appears to make the assumption that if there were no marijuana, there would be no one using harder drugs, and I find that idea preposterous.

My view is that there are a number of people who have some kind of psychological issue and use marijuana, alcohol, or some other drug in an attempt to make themselves feel better.  We seldom, if ever, hear about the people who may try marijuana, alcohol, or other drugs and find that they dont like them, or may use their drug of choice in limited quantities, or in limited circumstances.  Just like most people who drink alcohol, but dont drive while under the influence, there are people who use marijuana, but dont drive while under the influence.  One more note.  I believe the number of people suffering stress these days has increased dramatically, and there is a coincidental increase in drug an alcohol use, and abuse.

Sarge, I certainly agree with you about the people in campgrounds where the RVs are close together who either smoke pot or cigarettes.  That is rude behavior regardless of what they are smoking.

On the issue of concealing, I agree that a small amount of pot is easier to conceal than a 40 ounce bottle of beer, and along that line, meth is easier to conceal, than either of those two.  Also, as I saw in Viet-Nam enough heroin to kill a person was easier to conceal than an ounce or two of pot, so when someone in Viet-Nam decided to crack down on the pot users, and some of the pot users still wanted to do something besides booze, many of them turned to heroin, which was cheap and easy to conceal, so when I left Viet-Nam the 6th Convalescent Center in Cam Rahn Bay was not filled with injured soldiers, it was filled with heroin addicts.  People with the propensity and desire to want to make themselves feel better, will usually find the cheapest, most effective, and easiest to conceal drug of choice.

Although, pot, meth, and alcohol are serious problems in this country, they all pale in comparison to the opioid crisis which was created by drug companies with the complicity of professionals who are able to prescribe these drugs, and more often that not, over prescribe them.  I just read an article that said that about 60,000 people died from drug overdoses in 2016, and the number is expected to go up.

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« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2017, 10:24:05 AM »
Yes.  About 90% of those felony arrests on Live PD are   ... " The reason I pulled you over was a burnt out tag light,  and now I can smell pot ".

The smell of weed is their favorite reason to search.  So when the arrest numbers go up,   they hire more police and build more prisons.

 IMO...after the arrest the public is not really any safer.


After they legalize it the police will just be writing a bunch of 'Fix-it tickets'
Not quite accurate Tony.  Most of the marijuana finds are only ticketed for small quantities but what those tag lights out more often than not disclose is that about 50 percent of the stops have suspended or revoked licenses, no insurance or harder drugs. Several of the highway patrol stops have uncovered duffel bags filled with marijuana.  I don't find your description of the stops to be accurate at all.  Usually the only reason a marijuana holder is arrested is because of a large quantity or a big mouth.  JMHO.

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« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2017, 11:47:13 AM »
You are correct Bill
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 And if itís legalized the police will need to find need another reason for the detention and search of a suspicious looking person that may end up being cited for not having insurance.

 In reality...Cops don't normally pull silver haired Grampa and Grama over when their Buick has a burnt out tag light.   

And once the dog sits down next to that car.. no more fix-it ticket...a cop now has the right to detain and search all he wants.   The smell of weed is a LEO consent to search tool.  So for that reason I completely understand why the authorities hope itís never legalized.

but I guess that means 50 % of the others with a burnt out tag light were just detained, searched, and ticketed for no big deal. 

But it serves them right...  Damn Hippies  8)

 ( it's a bit like back in Germany if the authorities thought you looked Jewish  ;) )   
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« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2017, 03:40:53 PM »
And if itís legalized the police will need to find need another reason for the detention and search of a suspicious looking person that may or may not have insurance.

Your understanding of police procedure and laws are flawed Tony. Even if MJ is legal to use, it is still not, and never will be legal to use in a moving motor vehicle.  The same with any kind of alcohol.  And since it is still possible to be exposed to MJ smoke and be under the influence of it's effects without actually smoking it, any LEO conducting a traffic stop and smelling MJ smoke is still grounds to extend the search, and pull the driver out of the vehicle for a Field Sobriety Test. All because it's "Reasonable" under the law. 

I hope that wasn't while you were driving.

Yes, I have seen numerous times a driver or passenger smoking or rolling a MJ cigarette within a moving car.

And as for concealing, that comment was meant strictly for MJ use and concealment in a motor vehicle. Often very young kids.  I am not going to change anything, or the way society is leaning on the drug issue. All of the opinions stated are the result of years of first hand experience.  As well as Keven Means and Rancher Will.  Most LEO's would probably concur. 

Weather anyone else does, really doesn't matter. We are all free to have our own opinions, and some will never be agreed upon.  That's just one of the reasons why I love this country!
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« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2017, 03:45:58 PM »
I remember back in 1969 me and some friends were pulled over for 'Driving with Long Hair' right near El Toro Marine base.. this cop just knew we must have some weed on us  (we didn't)... so after we emptied our pockets he removed the rear seat,  spare tire and anything else we had in the car,  stacked (or dropped) it all on the shoulder of the road.

 I was handed a ticket for illegal exhaust ... he said 'have a good evening' and left.  I could have said something..but it would have cost me more.

I'm sure he's nicely retired now,  but, Thank you so much for making the world a safer place Officer Dick... ;D
 
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« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2017, 05:33:01 PM »
As of next July, mj will be legal in Canada. The police and the courts will now be able to free up their time to arrest real criminals, and hard drug users instead of busting regular people for smoking a bit of weed. Billions of dollars have been spent by mine and your govts making criminals out of regular citizens who pose no threat to society.I know many professionals, and business owners who on occasion will partake. It is a social thing, just like many people will have a few drinks in a social setting. I agree that if someone asked me which was worse, pot or booze, I would say booze hands down. No one every smoked a joint, and beat up their wife and kids, fought with the neighbors, got arrested for drunk in public, ect ect ect. I dont know anyone who has ruined their lives smoking a bit of pot. I know many that have drank to the  point that they have lost their jobs, their family, and most of the things important to them. Alcohol can take over your life if your not careful. Pot just makes you mellow, and gives you the munchies. I do agree with our govts plan of not legalizing it for young people. It will have similar rules to alcohol. As far as it being a gateway drug, I think the people that get into herion and oxys have a screw loose to begin with. Its usually a one way street, with death at the end.  jmho

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« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2017, 05:38:31 PM »
But sitting next to someone sitting outside smoking a joint terribly destroy's my experience.  And yes, that has already happened.  And no, cigarettes are not any better.   

I have not had MJ next door (though I have tobacco and I tend to agree)

But back when I lived in Detroit when my car was in the shop I road the buss.. and so did the pot head.. Nuff said.   LIke to make me puke.
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« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2017, 07:23:28 PM »
muskoka guy:

Criminal justice and another massive industries like the big Prescription Drug and Alcohol companies really have control of our legislators with their big money lobbyist.

 it's not likely that congress will ever push to legalize a weed that you can grow in your back yard so that those big contributors to their re-election campaign start losing money.    ( the collateral damage would be a reduction the Drug Cartels revenue too )

 
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« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2017, 07:44:59 PM »
I personally think the drug companies who give kickbacks to doctors for prescribing their life wrecking drugs like oxycontin and fentinyl should have a special place in hell. The doctors are just as much at fault for loading the streets with these very hard drugs. Thousands are dying every year from over doses. All in the name of the mighty dollar. Drug companies dont care about your health, they just want your money. Thats why they dont want pot legalized. You can grow it yourself and you dont need them. They probably have a cure for cancer, but dont want it to get out. They make so much money off cancer drugs now, that its robbery. What ever happened to the days when our top scientists and students worked on cures for disease for the betterment of mankind. Greed has taken over the world, and big business rules our lives. 

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« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2017, 07:59:51 PM »
 be careful..as soon as you say something against Doctors and the establishment you may be labeled as a radical...they know way more than you do.

They can legally help you if they determine you need it .... 8)
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« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2017, 08:12:19 PM »
Fascinating conversation happening here. I would like to point out to the law enforcement contributors that yes, the people you deal with have smoked and drank as a precursor to heavier things but not all people who smoke marijuana are going to go on to do harder drugs or ever have any encounters with law enforcement. there are many marijuana smokers who contribute positively to society. I find it no different than having a beer or glass of scotch after work.

To tie into RVing...this is a general PSA that the walls of your RV will not contain the smell of pot. I personally donít mind it at all but at my old park I did have a retired couple in a converted greyhound bus that was asked to leave because their (boring) neighbors complained. I liked them personally...but you could definitely smell it throughout the park lol.
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« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2017, 08:20:57 PM »
As a former Narcotics Detective, one of my duties was to interview suspects who were arrested for being under the influence of controlled substances, like heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine (11550 H&S.) By the way, in California, marijuana was not considered a "controlled substance." It was considered a "dangerous drug."

I asked all of them a lot of "canned" questions, and one interesting fact we learned was that 100% of them started out by experimenting with alcohol AND marijuana before moving on to stronger, more addictive drugs. Most of those using "hard drugs" were still using marijuana. That DOES NOT mean that everyone who uses marijuana is going to move on to harder drugs, but there's clearly a correlation between marijuana and harder drugs.

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less if an adult wanted to burn their brains out on drugs. It's their life. It's just a shame when it happens to kids and young adults, because their brains haven't developed enough for them to understand the dangers, and some of the damage is irreparable. Those of us who do understand the dangers often set a poor example for them.

I don't care if any adult wishes to pickle their brain with any drug or alcohol, so long as they are not forced to do so. I do care when anyone under the influence of any substance endangers others.

I could not agree more, and have almost identical professional backgrounds and experiences.  Considering that Kevin, Will, and I have all concluded our law enforcement careers, we certainly have no financial interest in the outcome.  And it certainly does not seem like any of us cautious about legal marijuana (in this forum anyway) are proponents of the "Reefer Madness" claims of the 1960's and 70's.

Yes, alcohol and cigarettes are horrible habits with deadly results, and have enormous back-end costs in health care and public safety.  Why on earth would we want to add more legal substances to that list, without properly assessing the potential risks or dangers?

Also legalizing will do little to quell the marijuana black market, just as illegal trading is alive and well for all manners of prescription drugs/painkillers, weapons, and even alcohol/cigarettes that are otherwise legal (with proper taxes paid and rules followed).  Marijuana is the largest criminal "cash crop" in the world.  Does anyone really think profit-seeking criminal enterprises are just going to give up and/or pay taxes to the government?  Hardly.  Most signs indicate that drug cartels will ramp up their efforts, providing an even "better" product for lower prices and violence to control the trade will increase.  That and more focus will be placed on smuggling other drugs into the country to get people addicted to... cue the prevalence of heroin in the last 10 years and the resulting opioid crisis.

Would keeping marijuana illegal prevent all those problems?  Probably not.  No more than it is the miracle drug to cure every medical ailment, as some supporters will claim.  The truth likely resides somewhere in the middle of that spectrum, and I don't think science (or the law) has completely figured out its proper application yet.  Rushing to change laws (medical or criminal) with the allure of short-term tax dollars... and often NO mention of the risks or back-end costs... seems to be a pretty risky exercise as far as public dollars and public welfare is concerned.
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« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2017, 08:58:52 PM »
 I say thank you to our founding fathers for creating a nation of 50 individual states.

I don't want to live in rural Utah or downtown San Francisco.... somewhere in between is good.

In the years to come we will see the actual effects of the decriminalization of weed in Colorado, California and a couple other states.  Europe seems to have handled it ok.

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« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2017, 09:15:13 PM »
Another thought on the topic.  Has anyone ever heard anyone say, "I would use marijuana if it were legal, but since it isnt, I wont".  My view is that virtually everyone who wants to use marijuana is.

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« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2017, 09:21:35 PM »
Last week...My wife asked Kaiser Medical if she should maybe try CBD oil for her severe arthritis...They informed her if she tested positive for Cannabis they would revoke her prescriptions for pain and anxiety meds and it may likely jeopardize her scheduled knee replacement surgery next year.

   she is currently prescribed  2 - 10mg oxys,   5 times a day for pain.. by a real Doctor.  ( a medical conspiracy ?    hmm...) 

  I like to drive her everywhere she wants to go ..but technically it's legal for her to drive and she feels fine to do so.

   
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« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2017, 09:50:49 PM »
Another thought on the topic.  Has anyone ever heard anyone say, "I would use marijuana if it were legal, but since it isnt, I wont".  My view is that virtually everyone who wants to use marijuana is.

Perhaps, but it also stands to reason that when limits (laws) are removed or lessened, people will take advantage.  In my professional experience, the general public stretches laws just slightly over the rule... which then becomes the "norm".  Speed limit is 35, most people will drive 40-45.  Raise the limit to 40, traffic speeds will increase to 45-50.  One of the reasons I personally never did much with alcohol or drugs as a teen was because of the fear of punishment... it did have an impact.  I also had pretty wholesome friends, sober parents, and never had the "party" desire, so my environment helped tremendously.  The many factors worked together.  Take away any/all of those barriers, and more of the general public will be partaking.

If a retired 60yo wants to go smoke a joint, then so be it.  My concern is with the normalization of another form of unhealthy behavior that will creep through all age levels and demographics.  As mentioned somewhere above, adolescent brains are not fully formed and there are documented studies of teens' moderate-to-heavy marijuana usage causing irreversible brain damage as they become adults.
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« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2017, 10:14:32 PM »
  My view is that virtually everyone who wants to use marijuana is.

I agree, and I think a lot of unnecessary time and money is wasted trying to enforce this futile federal law.  Look at the history of the 18th amendment.      It's deja vu all over again.

Made criminals like Joe Kennedy wealthy.
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« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2017, 01:42:49 AM »
Perhaps if mental health were a priority,fewer people would be self-medicating.  Improving overall living conditions for everyone might help.  Someone mentioned Vietnam.  I can't think of anything that would be more likely to turn one to heroin.  Not saying we should allow it,just saying that people in horrendous situations will look for some relief.

I would like to know what doctors are expected to use for patients in chronic or severe pain if opioids are frowned upon and MJ is illegal?  I would really like to know how many people died from prescribed opioids compared to heroin or illegally obtained opioids. 

Why would I want MJ to be legal?  Precisely because of the fear of opioids.  As we live longer,we are more likely to face chronic pain and I don't want to live in misery.  No,I don't use it now but want that to be an option.
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« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2017, 06:27:02 AM »

I would like to know what doctors are expected to use for patients in chronic or severe pain if opioids are frowned upon and MJ is illegal?  I would really like to know how many people died from prescribed opioids compared to heroin or illegally obtained opioids. 

Why would I want MJ to be legal?  Precisely because of the fear of opioids.  As we live longer,we are more likely to face chronic pain and I don't want to live in misery.  No,I don't use it now but want that to be an option.

Agree 100 percent.  I was at my doctors just yesterday and asked him if my Tramadol was considered a heavy duty opoid.  His reply shocked me - No, it is only a very mild opiod but be prepared to find it difficult to get because when the government goes wild on something it goes completely over the edge.  My once per day Tramadol is the only thing between me and severe pain during my waking hours.  If removed, would I switch to MJ.  He11 NO.  I already have COPD - why would I want to fill my lungs and brains with that crap.  Boy this thread is sure showing a lot of differing opinions.  I don't care who uses MJ but I don't want them on the road next to me or sitting in any public place next to me.  Those who think Colorado is trouble free better do some better research.  And then we have those who want to blame the police because they are doing their job - enforcing the law.  Just look at your daily newspapers and see how many were shot yesterday or last week.  Stopping for tag lights out is not a completely safe practice.  You try walking up to someone in a car that you don't know and see how safe you feel.  Blue Lives Matter to me.  MJ is a fact of life - a nation of potheads is something to be proud of??  JMHO.

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« Reply #55 on: November 22, 2017, 07:08:21 AM »
I personally think the drug companies who give kickbacks to doctors for prescribing their life wrecking drugs like oxycontin and fentinyl should have a special place in hell. .

Had some dental work done.. Submitterd for pre-approval to my Insurance.. Paid the co-pay.. Did the job.. (Not all that happy with the result) doctor says "Well get you a prescription for Oxy and you're outta here"  I declined.. Did not need any painkiller, not even aspirin (Left him a sealed bottle)

Got a bill for over 170.00 from the Dental firm..   Belief is they did not get paid by the makers of Oxy.. I've turned it over to the State Atty General. but they keep sending bills. I'm not paying.

I paid the agreed upon amount.
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« Reply #56 on: November 22, 2017, 08:37:57 AM »
The lucrative drug and medical industry is in the business of selling opiates.

They will fight very hard to keep people in prison for using a weed you can grow in your back yard.



And by the way Bill...you can get a MJ pill now.   You don't need to smoke anything.
So, You don't want a pothead driving next to you....but how about my wife ?  it's still legal for her to drive. 
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Bill N

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« Reply #57 on: November 22, 2017, 08:41:39 AM »
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And by the way Bill...you can get a MJ pill now.   You don't need to smoke anything.

Gee, I am thrilled to know that.  I can add it to the 13 I already take.

Bill
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« Reply #58 on: November 22, 2017, 08:45:47 AM »
Gee, I am thrilled to know that.  I can add it to the 13 I already take.

Bill

Wow!   13 pills everyday..... You probably get Christmas cards from Doctors.    ;)   
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« Reply #59 on: November 22, 2017, 09:54:21 AM »
Had some dental work done.. Submitterd for pre-approval to my Insurance.. Paid the co-pay.. Did the job.. (Not all that happy with the result) doctor says "Well get you a prescription for Oxy and you're outta here"  I declined.. Did not need any painkiller, not even aspirin (Left him a sealed bottle)

Got a bill for over 170.00 from the Dental firm..   Belief is they did not get paid by the makers of Oxy.. I've turned it over to the State Atty General. but they keep sending bills. I'm not paying.

I paid the agreed upon amount.

Same for me on the dental work.  I few years ago I had some dental work done.  The dentist wrote me a prescription for oxycontin and Tylenol-3.  When the Novocaine wore off, I took two regular Tylenol, and that was all the pain medication I needed.  No need for the two prescriptions.  Just another medical professional pushing drugs.
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