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TonyDtorch

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Re: Marijuana side topic
« Reply #60 on: November 22, 2017, 10:11:42 AM »
There are 2 teams here, it's ...         The Pot Heads   vs   The Junkies .

unfortunately.... the Junkies have the Establishment, the Doctors, and the Police   as team sponsors .


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« Reply #61 on: November 22, 2017, 01:34:46 PM »
Wow!   13 pills everyday..... You probably get Christmas cards from Doctors.    ;)   

Not really.  Some are simply in multiples rather than one huge pill.  Others are OTC such as aspirin and naproxin but when you have severe back problems, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and Type 2 diabetes it takes some drugs to keep things in check and, thanks to these drugs, most of my bad conditions have been kept in check for over 20 years.  Be happy if you have good health.  We are not all so fortunate.  Your dislike for doctors and policemen is palpable.  Thankfully, your kind are not in the majority and you live in a country where you are free to express those opinions.

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« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2017, 02:00:37 PM »
Yes Bill I am thankful for my good health.      My wife...not so much.      She also has type2,  arthritis, and Parkinson's,  she has her own parking space at the Doctors office. (humor)

I take 2 drugs.....but only when I need them.
 
1. Canibus for anxiety... when my wife has a bad day or I listen to the news.
2. Ibuprofen for pain ....when I overdo a project.

But then,  I'm still a youngster at 65...I think you have me by a couple.   ;D
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« Reply #63 on: November 22, 2017, 03:37:25 PM »
The lucrative drug and medical industry is in the business of selling opiates.

They will fight very hard to keep people in prison for using a weed you can grow in your back yard.

People being in prison for simply smoking/using marijuana is one of the many myths of the pro-pot crowd.  It doesn't happen.

Heroin and cocaine are plant based too, they just require more chemical processing, which backwoods labs making crystal meth have proven can be done with the right materials and a little patience.  Although homegrown is not really needed as long as so much is being smuggled into the country, largely through South and Central America.

As citizens, we have to decide at what level we will tolerate a "high society" and normalization of drug use in our communities, medical or recreational.  I'm fine with scientifically-proven and restricted medical use, but we have gotten ourselves (citizens) in the habit of demanding a drug because we feel bad.  (I'm not referring to those who deal with daily chronic pain, cancer treatments, terminal illnesses, etc.)  California's medical marijuana law (for instance) is a joke to call "medical", with how easily the vague symptoms/conditions can be claimed with no proof whatsoever... like "back pain."  That law was recreational as soon as it was signed. 

Opioids arose because people wanted painkillers, and they got them... some legitimately, many overprescribed, and a growing number now on the street.  We ought to proceed with caution and a scientific backing on these issues.
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« Reply #64 on: November 22, 2017, 03:49:22 PM »
I never was interested in smoking weed (or anything else for that matter). But I certainly would be interested in a marijuana brownie or gummy for severe pain instead of an opioid. I hope it gets legalized.
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« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2017, 04:11:32 PM »
Even hard liners agree that there is a serious opiod epidemic in our country.


A study done by the state of Colorado and aired on 60 Minutes last month,  showed after 4 years of MJ legalization the number of opiod overdoses in Colorado is down by 40% from 2014,  and continue falling.

No one predicted that would happen.

Every day in our country more people die from opiod overdoses,  than in all traffic accidents and gun deaths ...combined.
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« Reply #66 on: November 22, 2017, 04:41:23 PM »
A study done by the state of Colorado and aired on 60 Minutes last month,  showed after 4 years of MJ legalization the number of opiod overdoses in Colorado is down by 40% from 2014,  and continue falling.

No one predicted that would happen.

In that same study, the researchers also acknowledged that their sample size / time frame study is very small, and there is not yet any proof of causation between the two factors... i.e., people who previously injected illegal heroin decided instead to smoke legal marijuana, and therefore lived.  That seems rather unlikely.  The reduction of opioids could also be attributed to increased treatment options, drug diversion programs in criminal justice, etc.

It's important that we look at all the possible data and various factors, so we can pursue those that are proven effective.
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« Reply #67 on: November 22, 2017, 05:45:05 PM »
Two documented things happened at approximately the same time, 

1.    the number of O.Ds in hospitals started falling.

2.    the legalization of cannabis. 

yes, It could be possible those "Just Say No" programs are finally working, or the obvious.   ;)

Through out history in every society,  it's the most cost effective one that always wins... mushrooms,  booze,  pot,  or prescriptions.  Sometimes it's measured by the cost of lives to addiction, as in Heroin and alcohol and now it's laboratory made Heroin called Oxycodone.

Time will tell.
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« Reply #68 on: November 22, 2017, 08:19:16 PM »
Edibles are a large part of the sales of mj based products. I have two friends with MS. Both swear that the use of cannabis helps them with both appetite and coordination. My one friend is so skinny, if she missed one meal she would disappear. According to her, the only thing that helps her eat is the cannabis. I just heard on national radio yesterday that in British Columbia, there have been over 1000 deaths this year alone due to opiod  overdoses. Thats only one province. The bulk of these people dying are young people. Many have stolen the drugs from older peoples medicine cabinets, or have been obtained on the streets, but they originated from a prescription made out from a doctor. Our govt right now is trying to pass a bill that will force doctors to disclose any payments they receive from drug companies. Of course the medical system is fighting it, as they dont want to have the money they are payed cut off. Its alright for our doctors to kill our kids, but smoking that weed in the bush is wrong, and needs to be punished. Pot has been smoked by the masses since the 60s. Nobody went crazy, or had any side effects that have harmed society other than maybe the fact that they smoke. Most of these people would be in their 70s and 80s. Look at Willy Nelson. I saw him two years ago when he was 80 or so. Hasnt lost a thing. He is the poster child for pot smoking.
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« Reply #69 on: November 22, 2017, 08:24:50 PM »
   I wonder if a drug dog will hit on CBD oil or gummies. The oil I take tastes just like an ashtray....a nasty old ashtray! Just dont see how a dog could miss that. The maker claims there is minimal thc and not enough to show up on a test........ What do our LEO's think??
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« Reply #70 on: November 22, 2017, 09:16:37 PM »
Narcotics dogs can detect & alert to anything with a narcotics odor.  Since oils are a concentrated liquid version containing THC, it certainly seems like it would bear the odor.  Gummies or other edibles, I'm sure the odor is in there.  Dog's noses are downright magical how they work and can separate out odors.  When we walk into a hamburger joint and have a burger & french fries put in front of us, we might smell cooked meat or fried potatoes.  A dog would smell oil, beef, cheese, lettuce, tomato, potatoes, salt, bread (actually flour, eggs, and the other ingredients), and every person standing around... including the ones that left 10 minutes ago but deposited microscopic skin cells around the floor.  Excited/stressed people shed skin cells at faster rates and put off a stronger odor is picked up by the dog even more.

As long as you have a legal prescription and are transporting your medical THC product in the approved fashion your state requires, then you should be fine anyway.  And most of the time, otherwise law-abiding folks will not find themselves in situations where narcotics dogs are being utilized.
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« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2017, 06:48:34 AM »
The argument (Flawed) for years is that most hard line narcotic users started with MJ so MJ is a gateway drug... The Flaw is they had to start with SOMETHING.. Today many hard line addicts started with PRESCRIPTION medication pushed on them by their doctors.   I could easily have been a victim of that but I declined the 'script since I knew I'd not need it.

But some.. Well.. They start with MJ because people have been telling us for decades (Since the 1960's at least) that it is either A: No worse than alcohol (Which is one of the most deadly substances on earth if you count bodies, More Americans die from Alcohol each year than from WW 1 WW 2 and Korea COMBINED it's that deadly)  or that it is "Mostly Harmless" to borrow a phrase from Douglass Adams' Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

Some, Tried it precisely because it was Illegal.. Like my friend Don and Ray and others who said when they turned 21 (back then that was the legal drinking age in most of the world) all the taste went out of booze.. (I never thought it tasted good).

Some,, Well since they are already involved in illegal drugs.. They go on to ther hard stuff.. Kind of like Beer to Whiskey for a Teen.

But Many Teens never get past Beer.. Or MJ
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« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2017, 07:36:11 AM »
   I wonder if a drug dog will hit on CBD oil or gummies. The oil I take tastes just like an ashtray....a nasty old ashtray! Just dont see how a dog could miss that. The maker claims there is minimal thc and not enough to show up on a test........ What do our LEO's think??
Dogs have already picked up on these items on the show LIVE PD.  Those dogs don't miss much.  Interesting too is that they hit on a car and nothing is found but the interior is polluted with fumes that the dog just can't miss.  If an officer can smell the MJ, it is a lead pipe cinch the dog will too but officers do not have sniffers good enough for heroin and meth but the dogs sure do.

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« Reply #73 on: November 23, 2017, 08:14:31 AM »
 They could make the roads even more safer if they trained the dogs to sniff out Oxys .

but then some of you guys might be on Live PD .... :)

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« Reply #74 on: November 23, 2017, 08:47:19 AM »
LEO are saying today....The Gateway drug to Heroin,  is pain pills.   (Oxys, prescription opiates ect.,   AKA "hillbilly Heroin") . 

 Not MJ.

Everyday people get hooked on prescriptions.. then find out they can buy actual Heroin cheaper.
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« Reply #75 on: November 23, 2017, 09:13:59 AM »
I saw this story on opiates this morning and thought this statistic was appalling.

One study from the British Medical Journal found that up to 22 percent of pregnant women in the U.S. are prescribed opioids, likely contributing to the rise in NAS.

http://www.kcci.com/article/pregnant-women-who-act-on-doctor-s-orders-could-be-putting-babies-at-risk-in-opioid-epidemic/13869925



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« Reply #76 on: November 23, 2017, 03:54:09 PM »
LEO are saying today....The Gateway drug to Heroin,  is pain pills.   (Oxys, prescription opiates ect.,   AKA "hillbilly Heroin") . 

Did not know that but it is basically what I said up-thread.. As I said, Dentist offered me Oxy after a procedure where I did not think it was needed.. And as usual when it comes to My body. I was right. I spent less than a dollar on a bottle of Aspirin and left the still sealed bottle on his desk.

Only once have I ever wanted HIGH POWER pain killers and taken them.. I had an impacted Root, That was Friday Night (Daughter just had one too as it turns out).. I took Vicoden till Monday (Which happened to be my Birthday) When the Dentist drilled and killed the root. Best Birthday Present ever cause walking into the office I needed Strong Pain killers,, Walking out the Pain was a memory, nothing more.. I'd just as soon not do that again.
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« Reply #77 on: November 24, 2017, 07:57:12 AM »
I just had seven teeth extracted.  I have no shame for taking oxycodone and hydrocodone in the week after.  They were generic, so I don't know that any drug company would be giving the dentist kickbacks.  I am happy to report that I have not become a crazed drug seeker,drugged driver or anything else. 
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« Reply #78 on: November 24, 2017, 08:02:16 AM »
I just had seven teeth extracted.  I have no shame for taking oxycodone and hydrocodone in the week after.  They were generic, so I don't know that any drug company would be giving the dentist kickbacks.  I am happy to report that I have not become a crazed drug seeker,drugged driver or anything else.

Be thankful you never have chronic pain.   Some things that really hurt never heal.
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« Reply #79 on: November 24, 2017, 09:30:10 AM »
Actually, I do have bouts of pain that OTCs don't touch.  My doctor just doesn't seem to care when I try ti explain.  So,I do know how it can be to hurt every day.  The quality of life feels like zero sometimes.  Hence,why I believe people need options if not opioids. 
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« Reply #80 on: November 24, 2017, 10:20:05 AM »
My cousin Richard lives in a house with two other vets. Richard and one of the other vets are Vietnam vets, the third guy is Gulf One vet. Richard is 100% disabled and I don't know the percentage of the other two. All have problems getting their med's from the VA. All are in constant pain. Since they get their meds at different times of the month they borrow from each other to control their pain. As a side note they were sitting around talking about their experiences one night and Richard and the other Vietnam vet realized they were in the same battle together.
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« Reply #81 on: November 24, 2017, 10:29:11 AM »
I agree. Those guys should likely be 100% disabled.  Sadly, It sounds like their military service is about all they have left now.

a couple years of service ( many times involuntary)  may have cost those and many other Vets a 100% chance of a productive life.

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« Reply #82 on: November 24, 2017, 07:02:41 PM »
  When I asked the VA about refilling my pain meds (tramadol and hydrocodone) they refused and said they would rather work on my diet instead to reduce inflammation.....OK..nevermind
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« Reply #83 on: November 24, 2017, 07:27:07 PM »
I have a Vet friend that gets opioid pain killers from VA.
They told him if his blood doesn't show more traces of them, his prescription will be canceled.

They don't want him selling them on Craigs List.

They offer them to me but not with THC in my blood. I always turn them down.
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« Reply #84 on: November 25, 2017, 08:39:07 AM »
Thankfully as a retiree I am not eligible for VA.  Instead TriCare For Life serves as my Medicare supplement and it is great.  I have a very good relationship with my doctor and we had a good discussion recently where he told me that the government medical agencies are putting a huge amount of pressure on doctors to not treat pain as they have been.  People think every doctor is overprescribing and that is simply not true but every doctor is being told by Medicare that there is a big problem and that some will have to suffer to keep the spread of opioids and other pain meds down.    He also told me that during the Obama years what people called Death Panels actually did exist but not as a panel but as directives telling doctors to slow down on standard testing for senior related ailments.  The prostate test is one example.  He said they have been told not to offer it to older people (I forget exact age) as a matter of course but only if they request the test.  His summary of what he saw during the Obama years - if they are old keep treatments to a minimum.  That to me = death panels.  Thankfully I have never tried MJ and have no desire.

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« Reply #85 on: November 25, 2017, 04:37:08 PM »
You have some false news there..

We have 3 groups of people involved in what you are calling "Death Panels"

Doctors
Lawyers
Insurance companies.

A man goes to his doctor.. Conplains of a headache. IN  the old days the doctor examined the head, Checked Blood Pressure (A common cause of headaches) and found out what was wrong and cured his complaint and the patient left happy.

But today we have lawyers advertising... You may be the victin of a bad doctor.

So now the man goes in with a headache, The doctor cures it but misses te gangrene in his toe.. SUE THE DOC, SUE THE DOC

So the Doctor now runs all kinds of tests that have NOTHING to do with headaces. Least he miss somehting elsewhere.

And We have insurance comnpanies demanding the doctors run fewer tests.

You mentioned "The obama years"

This information comes fromn a doctor I used to chat with back in the 1990s  LONG befor Obama, and yes I remember his name and the hospital he iis assoicated with...

Dr. Aurturo Rolla, Endo,  Deaconess Hospital, Boston .
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« Reply #86 on: November 25, 2017, 06:14:17 PM »
Thankfully as a retiree I am not eligible for VA.

Bill
To just a Veteran (not a retiree), That's about the same as when Congress says..."Thankfully we're not eligible for Obamacare".   

You government workers get nothing but the best...... ;D
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« Reply #87 on: November 25, 2017, 07:11:22 PM »
To just a Veteran (not a retiree), That's about the same as when Congress says..."Thankfully we're not eligible for Obamacare".   

You government workers get nothing but the best...... ;D

FYI -- members of Congress are covered by obamacare.
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« Reply #88 on: December 01, 2017, 12:53:01 PM »
Full disclosure first: In the mid nineties I ran the Santa Cruz Cannabis Buyers Club in Santa Cruz, California. It was the second dispensary in the world. We got together with the first club in San Francisco and got Proposition 215 written and passed, the first time marijuana was legalized anywhere in the world since the 30s and the start of the current push to legalize marijuana. There are currently 29 states and the District of Columbia that have legalized cannabis in some form. Mexico and Canada will be legalizing it next year along with many other countries around the world.

As I said, the only people interested in keeping cannabis illegal are those that have a financial interest in doing so. All the people in this thread supporting keeping it illegal have ties to law enforcement. They are not interested in making more arrests for more employment. It all has to do with civil forfeiture. In this country that is a controversial legal process in which law enforcement officers take assets from persons suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners with wrongdoing. So the cops can come into your house, confiscate anything of value and not even arrest you. That includes your house, your car, your boat or any other high ticket item. That is the reason why they sent 12 cops with automatic weapons on a simple cannabis bust. This is one of LEOs main money making schemes that is funding all those automatic weapons and SWAT teams. Trample on our rights doesn't seem to bother them at all. No wonder they want to keep it illegal, they don't want a major revenue stream cut off. And the fact that it is retire LEO supporting keeping it illegal is meaningless. Cops always support other cops no matter what. I know, I use to be a sheriff in Ventura County in the 80s.

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The lies they are telling is pathetic. Gateway drug. That is so stupid it is pathetic. Calling cannabis a gateway drug to anything is just beyond ridiculous. It is a stupid as claiming mother's milk is a gateway drug to alcohol since 99% of all alcoholics started on mother's milk.

The claim that cannabis somehow inhibits the growth of a child's brain is equally as stupid. There never has been and there never will be any studies to prove this. It is just a lie made up by the do gooders to convince people of the evils of cannabis. How evil can something be if you have to make things up to prove it is dangerous? In order to claim cannabis somehow retards brain development would require a bunch of young teenagers who had never smoked to get a brain scan, then have them smoke for a few years and then do another brain scan. That is not going to happen. Now I am not advocating that young people smoke cannabis, I am just claiming that these claims are hogwash.

As far as driving when stoned goes I personally feel someone who is stoned is a better driver than someone who is sober. I say this because during the 80s and 90s I drove 10s of thousands of miles while stoned or with someone driving who was stoned. I have never had an accident in my life. If I were flying in a private plane and the pilot wanted to share a joint with me I would gladly sit in the cockpit and share it with him. The people who have never been stoned seem to think that being stoned is somehow the same as being drunk. It is apples and oranges. The story of the guy stopping 50 feet from the light is pure fantasy made up by someone who has never been stoned.

The people who think they are protecting out children by keeping cannabis illegal are sadly misinformed. Alcohol is currently killing 88,000 people a year in the US directly, many more indirectly. Prescription drug use is a lot more than that. If these people were really worried about the health of their children they should be addressing these problems instead. Cannabis kills no one. The only real danger of using cannabis comes with the fact you might be arrested. According to the ACLU’s original analysis, marijuana arrests now account for over half of all drug arrests in the United States. Of the 8.2 million marijuana arrests between 2001 and 2010, 88% were for simply having marijuana. Nationwide, the arrest data revealed one consistent trend: significant racial bias. Despite roughly equal usage rates, Blacks are 3.73 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana.

In 1919 the moral majority made alcohol illegal and crime skyrocketed. In 1933 prohibition was repealed and the do gooders looked around for some other way to run people's lives for them. They noticed many Mexicans, blacks and jazz musicians were using cannabis so they made it illegal by running a nasty campaign and made it illegal in 1937. Then in 1971 Nixon was really pissed because the younger generation did not support his stupid war and blamed the whole opposition on drugs, hippies, the Beatles and John Lennon. Nixon commissioned the Shafer Commission to study the problem. The Shafer Commission reported back that marijuana was relatively safe and should be legalized. Nixon promptly buried that report and started the war on drugs. That war has been an absolute failure. Drug use is the same today per capita as it was in 1971. The only difference is the cops are richer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafer_Commission

The war on drugs has had no effect on drug use in this country however it has made criminals out of millions of people for using a simple plant. The total cost of the war on drugs is estimated at one trillion dollars so far. That is your tax money being wasted which is a lot more than the cost of cannabis overdoses on emergency rooms. But really the war on drugs has been a war on minorities since minorities get arrested far more often than whites do in this country.
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« Reply #89 on: December 01, 2017, 01:35:56 PM »
I am not so hard on LEOs or retired LEOs because I believe that when they see someone high on pot, it is not just the effects of the pot they are seeing, but a person who has psychological disorders and are using pot to try and make themselves feel better.  Just as the difference between seeing a alcoholic drunk driver as compared to someone who has a couple of beers from time but never drives drunk.

I have said for years that there are people out there who give pot a bad name, just as there are people out there who give alcohol a bad name.

I agree that asset forfeiture is out of hand.  Everyday you read of people being ripped off by this unholy process.
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