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Crossing into Canada with DUI
« on: December 05, 2017, 05:32:53 PM »
Has anyone had any experience crossing the border from the USA into Canada with a DUI on their record?  I have one (0.082... yes, I'm guilty, I made a bad decision) and I've read this can be an issue when entering Canada. I figured this would be a good place to ask.

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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2017, 09:34:37 PM »
From what I know of others in the same situation, you will not be allowed into Canada.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2017, 09:41:54 PM »
I've never had a DUI, but I don't recall them asking the question when we entered Canada. Maybe they have access to US DMV databases?
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2017, 10:14:06 PM »
They run your plate number. I had one of those car guards on my tow bar and apparently they could not see my plate. I had to show a picture of the plate or give the something with plate number on it. On the caravan I was on to Alaska we were told if you had dui you would not be permitted to cross.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2017, 10:44:58 PM »
DUI is a felony in Canada, and they take it seriously. I am a canoeist, and I know people who could not go to Canada for canoeing due to a DUI. There is a way to get yourself allowed in if it has been a long time (10years IIRC) and you have been shown rehabilitated, but it is paperwork and there is no guarantee it will work. There is information on a Canadian Government website that I have seen with details. And my friends were told that Canada did have access to US criminal records.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2017, 03:48:01 AM »
I think you can buy your way in by paying a fee,I have been told. No personel expeirence. Think some states have reciprocipy ( sp ?) On licence believe NY does.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2017, 04:04:35 AM »
Google will answer your question: Can you go to Canada with a DUI

Good luck - doesn't look like a simple process, but possibly worthwhile.  I have a close friend that had a DUI in his distant past and did something to gain admittance to Canada.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2017, 04:16:47 AM »
Based on DUI being a felony in Canada and entry for those with a DUI is denied, would any felony result in entry denial? And what crimes, other than DUI, are considered felonies in Canada and not in the US?

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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2017, 04:25:56 AM »
Based on DUI being a felony in Canada and entry for those with a DUI is denied, would any felony result in entry denial? And what crimes, other than DUI, are considered felonies in Canada and not in the US?

Just found the answer to this:

So who exactly is not permitted to enter Canada? The Immigration Act may deny admission to anyone recently convicted of driving while intoxicated (D.W.I.) or driving under the influence (D.U.I.), both of which may be considered an indictable offense in Canada (similar to a felony in U.S.A.) and punishable by a term of imprisonment for up to five years. Other criminal offenses that can cause someone to be denied entry to Canada include theft, assault, reckless driving, possession of stolen property, shoplifting, fraud, driving while license suspended, extortion, battery, domestic violence, misdemeanor drug possession, and any felony such as breaking and entering or armed robbery. White collar crimes can also affect a foreign national's Canadian excludability. Some people may need the services of a qualified immigration professional to determine if they can legally enter Canada. Other people may already know that they criminally inadmissible but require help from an attorney to come up with a workable plan for how to cross the Canadian border successfully. A criminal conviction does not necessarily mean a person cannot enter Canada ever again; it simply means they may require special permission to enter and therefore should prepare an acceptable application before visiting. Canada Temporary Resident Permit eligibility requirements and document requirements have recently changed. This is one of the many reasons it may be important to work with an immigration lawyer familiar with the 2018 Canada DUI Entry rules (as well as any scheduled Canada DWI entry 2019 or 2020 changes).


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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2017, 07:01:28 AM »
I worked for a company years ago and had to go into Canada for work. We got to the border and one of my coworkers was denied entry because of a DWI conviction over 40 years earlier when he was just out of high school. We entered Canada and he had to wait for another company vehicle to come and pick him up.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2017, 11:56:20 AM »
Also be aware that if a person who is not a citizen commits a felony, known here as an indictable offence, leaves the country he/she will not be allowed to return. My bil has a minor drug possession on his record from the early 70's, he is not even allowed to be on a flight that lands in the U.S to refuel.

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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2017, 01:12:10 PM »
it's a big country with lots of ways to just walk in or just step off of a boat on to Canada soil.

There is even one U.S. state that is only land accessible by going into Canada and back out.  Are there no Alaskans that ever got a DUI ?
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2017, 04:49:43 PM »
My daughter lives in Canada and we visit every year.  In 10 years we have never been asked the question and we have never had a DUI.

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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2017, 06:10:27 PM »
The DWI show on your drivers lic when you try to enter Canada.  I have had people tell they were denied access even tho the DWI was 25 years ago.  I looked into getting a remote access pass and the 1st question they asked was where I lived.  It seems so many people from Hibbing Mn have had DWIs that they refuse to give remote passes.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2017, 07:26:56 PM »
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The DWI show on your drivers lic when you try to enter Canada.

That makes sense, and explains why most of us have never been asked.
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2017, 06:46:58 AM »
Last summer I went to Canada for the first time in many years.  They asked for my drivers lic and after reviewing the information asked me to pull ahead for an inspection which I thought might happen due to pulling th 5W.  Two officers asked if I had a safe onboard and then wanted to look inside of it.  It was empty, but from that point, it was a 15 minute discussion on guns which I had none knowing the rules of bringing guns across the border.  As it turns out, my name brought up the fact that 25 years ago I went goose hunting by Winnipeg. They now know that I own guns and wanted to make sure I didn't have any along.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2017, 08:43:11 AM »
You may not be asked on the primary inspection but if you become a 'chosen one' for secondary, chances are good you will be asked about criminal charges, maybe your drivers license, etc. I have never been asked for my drivers license, just my passport, on primary when returning to Canada or going to USA.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2017, 08:51:18 AM »
What all will they do if an American is caught in Canada illegally ?     They just let all the draft dodgers in and that was a felony wasn't it? 








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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2017, 09:15:59 AM »
What all will they do if an American is caught in Canada illegally ?     They just let all the draft dodgers in and that was a felony wasn't it?
Not so much what they will do - more what they can do.  Detainment, confiscation, disassembly of your vehicle, etc.  Try it in a boat some time.  There are horror stories, going both directions.  I hate the thought of being subjected to Customs (Canadian or US)' arbitrary rules at the border.  They have absolute power.  I live on the border and have not been to Canada since 911 and all the security whoopla.  Too bad, going to and coming from Canada used to be nothing more than driving down the road.  I can even remember when the Canadian Customs entry was not even manned!  All they have dome with all the security and spend tax payers money and cause the general public greif.  That's just my opinion.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2017, 09:20:20 AM »
The DWI show on your drivers lic when you try to enter Canada.   es.

Have never shown drivers license - only passport and dog vaccination papers.  Answered question about where going and reason for visit.  Their plate reader no doubt reads the plate for state.  Have no doubt about DUI being illegal to enter but have never encountered any questions regarding it and have never seen the agent do any extensive computer searching - just a couple of questions and wave through.  Always enter through Blue Water Bridge at Port Huron, Mi.
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2017, 09:44:07 AM »
Not so much what they will do - more what they can do.  Detainment, confiscation, disassembly of your vehicle, etc.  Try it in a boat some time.  There are horror stories, going both directions.  I hate the thought of being subjected to Customs (Canadian or US)' arbitrary rules at the border.  They have absolute power.  I live on the border and have not been to Canada since 911 and all the security whoopla.  Too bad, going to and coming from Canada used to be nothing more than driving down the road.  I can even remember when the Canadian Customs entry was not even manned!  All they have dome with all the security and spend tax payers money and cause the general public greif.  That's just my opinion.

Flying has also become too much of a hassle. We just took a trip to Italy and Spain. Take your shoes off, your belt, everything out of your pockets. Remove your lap top/tablet from your bag. No liquids in containers larger than an eye dropper. If you want to take water on the plane you have to buy it after security which costs more than if you bring your own. In Europe it seems the rules at each airport are different. Take your shoes off at one airport but not at another. Leave your belt on here but not there. Told to be at airport 3 hours early for an international flight. I told my wife this was the last time. I'll drive across the border to Canada but flying is out for the foreseeable future.

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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2017, 09:59:44 AM »
I live on the border and have not been to Canada since 911 and all the security whoopla.  Too bad, going to and coming from Canada used to be nothing more than driving down the road.


I'm only about 2-1/2 hours from the border and have been traveling to Canada since I was born (my mother is Canadian). We have fewer family members up there these days so we don't travel as much any more but I still find it nothing more than "driving down the road". Sure we need a passport or enhanced driver's license now and it might take an extra few minutes (or even a half hour or more in peak times) but I don't find it intrusive at all. I have nothing to hide and I'm sure the officers can tell. Last time I was chosen for a random search was long before 9/11.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2017, 10:05:58 AM »
    Hey folks, it works the other way too.  Any conviction, or a border guard not liking the cut of your hair will see Canadians turned away from your border.  There was a major new story last winter when 3 women from Montreal were denied entry on their way to a spa in Vermont.  They were never given a reason for no entry, however one was of East Indian descent, born in Canada.
    I have been told by lawyer friends that a DUI/DWI in either country would ban me from entry.

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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2017, 10:27:26 AM »
What all will they do if an American is caught in Canada illegally ?     They just let all the draft dodgers in and that was a felony wasn't it?
I doubt evading the US draft was a felony in Canada.
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2017, 10:52:14 AM »
     And yet I had a good friend who lived and was raised in Canada, but since the closest hospital was a mile by sea, was born in the US.  The RCMP and US police (can't remember which service) showed up at our University dorm and hauled away for not registering for the draft.  It didn't matter that he was a student at a University, and that he had never been sent a draft notice, he was required to register.  He ended up having to leave university and did a 2 year stint in Vietnam before being able to return to Canada.  So, I have no idea how those draft dodgers were allowed to stay, however most established businesses and have done very well financially.

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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2017, 11:22:22 AM »
Most simply left on a "visit" before or just after receiving the draft notice  and, just as quietly, overstayed their legal time here. In a big city, they would probably pass unnoticed for quite a few years if they were able to stay out of trouble. Illegal immigrants in either country do have a knack for disappearing and remaining hidden even while they are being chased down for deportation.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2017, 12:22:04 PM »
those American "illegal immigrants"  would be in their late 60's at best....as a non citizen how do they get Canadian health care now ?
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« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2017, 12:16:50 PM »
those American "illegal immigrants"  would be in their late 60's at best....as a non citizen how do they get Canadian health care now ?


Wasn't illegal back then and once in Canada you could apply for citizenship. Most of them are now in their 70s. Once they were in Canada and started working they paid taxes just like everyone and qualified for benefits.  We also had several FBI undercover agents in Canada at that time gathering info on those avoiding the draft.

Several countries in Europe that have free health care will even cover people on vacation.  Norway for one is that way.
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« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2017, 03:03:51 PM »
Not all those who evaded the draft by going to Canada stayed in Canada. There was a partial amnesty, and I know a guy who came back to do national service in a nursing home. He didnít want to fight in what he considered an unjust war, but his Consciencious Objector case was not approved. He went to Canada before he was drafted, then came home to do his service in a non-military manner. Great guy with a strong moral compass.
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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2017, 05:39:04 PM »
Flying has also become too much of a hassle.

I agree with that - try it with an artificial hip.  Looks like you are "packing" on the radar screen.  If no radar then you get a full pat-down!  Really nice!  And they can still refuse you to board the plane.
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« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2017, 09:02:10 PM »

Several countries in Europe that have free health care will even cover people on vacation.  Norway for one is that way.

 our country has free emergency health care too,  a non citizen or an uninsured person is never turned away if they need med help.
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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2017, 06:41:44 AM »
    But it isn't free, the BIG bill comes later.  Plus, we have acquaintances who if fact have been turn away, even after offering to prepay, when they had no definable insurance coverage and their son was involved in a PWC (personal water craft) accident.

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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2017, 06:57:24 AM »
Shortly after my son separated from the AF he slipped on the driveway at our house in Illinois. We had just arrived in England and were waiting for our rental house to be ready for move in. He got to his phone and a friend came by and picked him up and took him to the local hospital ER. They determined they could not work on his injury (he did not have insurance) so they packed him up  in an ambulance and sent him across the river to St. Louis to another hospital. They performed arthroscopic surgery and determined the swelling was too severe to fix the break. They sent him home. My wife flew back from England and got him in the VA hospital where surgery was performed and all is well now. The first two hospitals sent him a bill in excess of $27,000. So, no, emergency rooms are not free.

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« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2017, 08:15:02 AM »
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If you want to take water on the plane you have to buy it after security which costs more than if you bring your own.
Just bring an empty container and fill it when you get through security.
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« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2017, 08:40:21 AM »
Just bring an empty container and fill it when you get through security.

Water fountains are practically nonexistent, by design. I have seen folks filling water bottles in the restrooms.

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« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2017, 09:41:55 AM »
Water fountains are practically nonexistent, by design. I have seen folks filling water bottles in the restrooms.
Every US airport I've been in has had a water bubbler (fountain for non Bahstonions) near the rest rooms.
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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2017, 10:15:46 AM »
Some friends drove me to a hospital after a motorcycle crash back in the days (1993) before helmet laws here in CA. 

I had a big gash over my eye brow and the skin was hanging down over my eye. ( at first I thought I was blinded  :o )

The E.R. asked me if I had any insurance...  I told them no,  I did not.

They said without insurance there was nothing they can do.      So, I got up and was headed out the exit door when a couple nurses came out grabbed me and ushered me into the operating room.

I never got a bill for those 29 stitches.
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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2017, 10:37:37 AM »
Every US airport I've been in has had a water bubbler (fountain for non Bahstonions) near the rest rooms.

Internationally water fountains are disappearing at airports. I have seen some studies that indicated the water fountains that were tested actually contained more bacteria than the toilets. Some airports, I think in Canada, are actually installing more water fountains. Some with two spigots, one for drinking and the other for filling water bottles. But there still lies the problem of cleaning the fountains. Most are merely wiped down while the bacteria grows inside the tubing.

Some friends drove me to a hospital after a motorcycle crash back in the days (1993) before helmet laws here in CA. 

I had a big gash over my eye and the skin was hanging down over my eye. ( at first I thought I was blinded  :o )

The E.R. asked me if I had any insurance...  I told them no,  I did not.

They said without insurance there was nothing they can do.      So,   I got up and I was headed towards the exit door when a couple nurses came out grabbed me by my arms and ushered me into the operating room.

I never got a bill for those 29 stitches.

You were very lucky Tony. Sounds like they just lost your file. I will tell you now that we have Medicare and Tricare for Life we no longer get a bill. That may soon change since congress wants to put a annual cap on Medicare. I would hope all the seniors would rise up and squash that.

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« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2017, 10:51:20 AM »
Sorry,  but the lobbyist determine how congress votes.

(drain the swamp  ;) )

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« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2017, 10:54:03 AM »
Sorry,  but the lobbyist determine how congress votes.

(drain the swamp  ;) )

Ha! You need to post that over on the Joke page.

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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2017, 02:30:50 PM »
but seriously,

For any emergency medical needs,  You don't need insurance..or to be a citizen, at least here in California.   No hospital ER can ever turn you away if you need emergency medical services. It's the law.

That is a big reason why hospitals are losing money... thus driving up the costs for the 'insured' patients just to stay open.   ( so, who really pays for all those 'anchor babies' ?   :) )
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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2017, 04:13:26 PM »
but seriously,

For any emergency medical needs,  You don't need insurance..or to be a citizen, at least here in California.   No hospital ER can ever turn you away if you need emergency medical services. It's the law.

That is a big reason why hospitals are losing money... thus driving up the costs for the 'insured' patients just to stay open.   ( so, who really pays for all those 'anchor babies' ?   :) )

We pay for the anchor babies. But lumped in with that term are the birth tourism from countries like China. In order to rid us of these types of services we would have to rescind the 14th amendment. Not an easy task. "Anchor babies" and birth tourism costs taxpayers about $6b per year. The uninsured cost us about $200b per year.

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to anyone seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay. Participating hospitals may not transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment except with the informed consent or stabilization of the patient or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.[1]
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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2017, 07:44:30 PM »
it's not just the baby that costs us.....you are forgetting cost of all the public services for the whole family of the anchor baby. They get to stay here now.

and the 14th amendment guarantees with the rights of "citizens"... the baby is the only American citizen.  The mother/family will get WIC and or EBT benefits.
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« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2017, 07:52:11 PM »
...and the 14th amendment deals with the rights of "citizens"... the baby is the only American citizen.

That was never the intention of the guy who wrote the 14th Amendment, Jacob Howard.

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

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« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2017, 07:55:16 PM »
we don't need to 'rescind' or change any laws...we just need to enforce the laws we already have.

What would Canada do ?   ;)



In CA our lawmakers made it illegal to ask for proof of citizenship at voting booths,  they say to vote all you need is a utility bill with your name and CA address and a legal photo ID...

 Then, our esteemed lawmakers passed another law allowing "un-documented" immigrants to get a California drivers license.. making our roads much safer.

We're done... :-\.   
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« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2017, 09:45:44 PM »
That is a big reason why hospitals are losing money... thus driving up the costs for the 'insured' patients just to stay open.   ( so, who really pays for all those 'anchor babies' ?   :)

Let me guess:  the same people who paid for the 29 stitches you needed when you were uninsured and riding a motorcycle without a helmet?

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« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2017, 09:47:17 PM »
All the state and federal taxes I've paid over the years should have more than covered all 29 of my no Novocaine stitches.   

I had motorcycle insurance,  I also had a brand new job and thus a health insurance gap in the first days.  and there was no law requiring a helmet.   (it was my sunglasses that cut me ).

You weren't being judgmental ...were you ?  :)

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« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2017, 05:28:42 AM »
The bottom line is ER's are required to treat you. It could be their requirement is to just stabilize you until they can get you to another facility. I can see this thread morphing into an immigration rant. Maybe we should get back to entering Canada with a DUI on your record. I don't have a DUI or anything else that Canada can construe as an " indictable" offense. So I think I am good to enter w/o too much hassle. And I do want to go but not right now. Too cold.

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« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2017, 07:09:03 AM »
I agree with OldGator.  Let's get the thread back on topic. Since I enter Canada at least once a year I will take notice on my next trip if I am asked any question along those lines.   But it would seem that a check of every person in the vehicle, not just the driver, would be required to insure no DUIs are allowed in.

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« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2017, 07:42:01 AM »
We have an American friend that has lived and worked in Canada for many years. I'll ask her if she knows anything about rules crossing the border.

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« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2017, 09:25:31 AM »
We would be much better off with the same Canadian immigration rules here in America,   but our sanctuary cities may get really upset.
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« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2017, 09:28:27 AM »
We would be much better off with the same the same immigration enforcement rules in America,   but our sanctuary cities would be really upset.

Tony! We're trying to keep this thread on the OP's original track. I'm trying to turn over a new leaf here and keep my comments as apolitical as possible. You should do the same.

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« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2017, 09:33:32 AM »
Sorry, you are right.

  Immigration and crossing borders are hot topics,     Living out here in California gets a little frustrating.. ;D
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« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2017, 09:38:38 AM »
Okay. But you know you could move to Alabama.  :P

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« Reply #54 on: December 10, 2017, 09:39:19 AM »
Okay. But you know you could move to Alabama.  :P

Might be a good idea  ;)

and Florida is over there too  ?
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« Reply #55 on: December 10, 2017, 10:04:53 AM »
and it's not just a DUI ether.   any Felony is reason for entry denial.

I know a guy that is paying an attorney to petition a court to reduce his 1970 felony possession of Marijuana conviction to a misdemeanor,   so now that he's retired he can see all the beauty of Canada and Alaska in his RV.     
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« Reply #56 on: December 10, 2017, 10:13:17 AM »
I thought it had to be an indictable offense in Canada.

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« Reply #57 on: December 10, 2017, 10:30:55 AM »
After 911, it was enough to deny him the right to buy a firearm... so now he is worried about it going to Canada.

in about 20 days ... his felony won't be an 'indictable' offence here in CA.
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« Reply #58 on: December 10, 2017, 11:10:37 AM »
   Possession of marijuana is a felony in Canada.  The law is scheduled to change July 1, 2018 but existing convictions will stand and the police and justice system have been instructed to continue to prosecute offenders.  Go figure!

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« Reply #59 on: December 10, 2017, 12:21:39 PM »
You weren't being judgmental ...were you ?  :)

No more than some other people here; it's just more noticeable when you're the one being judge.

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« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2018, 05:09:41 AM »
In order to be barred from entry into Canada the offence on your record has to equal an offence in Canada.  If the offence in the USA is not an offence in Canada you can enter, which is why draft dodgers were allowed entry into Canada.

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« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2018, 06:33:26 AM »
My friend went to Canada last summer and I happen to know he does have one DUI on his record.

They did ask him to get out of the camper van while they did a walk though, transferred him to their office, awhile later, they returned his paperwork and keys, allowing him into Canada. He was pleasant about it all, and says they were fairly pleasant about it too. He didn't see anything disturbed in his rig, wonders if they were just curious or what.

He was using the same driver license from the same state where he earned his DUI. I will have to ask him if it has been 10 years or not. I recall when it happened, just not how many years ago.

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« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2018, 09:26:03 AM »
I wish America's borders were as well controlled as Canada's..

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« Reply #63 on: March 07, 2018, 07:58:57 AM »
I wish America's borders were as well controlled as Canada's..

Believe it or not Tony, more than a few foreigners are crossing into Canada via Minnesota and North Dakota border - not at the legal crossings but just by walking over.  Surprising is that Canadian government is not all that happy about it.  Gee whiz.

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« Reply #64 on: March 07, 2018, 09:12:08 AM »
The big difference....

In Canada if they catch you there illegally,  you will be deported.       

In California...... you are given a drivers license. 

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« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2018, 09:43:19 AM »
This is off topic and has been covered in a previous string.  However, my limited understanding of the law is that if they show up at a border crossing and ask for asylum Canadian law says that since the US is a trusted partner, they by definition cannot be a refugee.  However, if they make it across the border, then show up at any border services office, they will be considered for entry.  So, there have been a significant number of previously legal American residents, who came under non immigrant type entries, for example Haitians, or Nicaraguans, etc, who are under threat of deportation who are heading north. 

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« Reply #66 on: March 07, 2018, 09:48:07 AM »
 I believe Alec Baldwin is now living there as a refugee.....     ;)

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« Reply #67 on: March 07, 2018, 10:05:40 AM »
Really Tony? You need to give it up too.
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« Reply #68 on: March 07, 2018, 10:16:50 AM »
sorry,   It was meant as humor.

and all good humor has foundation of truth.

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« Reply #69 on: March 07, 2018, 02:16:46 PM »
No Tony, we wouldn't let him in, he looks too much like some elsy

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« Reply #70 on: March 08, 2018, 07:25:55 AM »
This is off topic and has been covered in a previous string.  However, my limited understanding of the law is that if they show up at a border crossing and ask for asylum Canadian law says that since the US is a trusted partner, they by definition cannot be a refugee.  However, if they make it across the border, then show up at any border services office, they will be considered for entry.  So, there have been a significant number of previously legal American residents, who came under non immigrant type entries, for example Haitians, or Nicaraguans, etc, who are under threat of deportation who are heading north. 

Ed

You said it much better than I did Ed.  It is the non-immigrant types you mention who were previously on temporary legal visas because of natural disasters in their country (Haiti) or for other reasons.  Since they walk across the border and avoid border stations I always wondered why they did just not present themselves at a border station as a refugee.  Your post answered that.

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« Reply #71 on: March 08, 2018, 07:27:56 AM »
Really Tony? You need to give it up too.
Please try to recognize a bit of humor.  Heavens knows it works both ways.

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« Reply #72 on: March 08, 2018, 07:50:16 AM »
Yeah, no excuses, sometimes I just need to lighten up. It's not like there wasn't a wink added there. I'm sure my humor doesn't get taken as humor at times.
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« Reply #73 on: March 08, 2018, 08:15:51 AM »
Bill I am sure that an immigration lawyer could provide a legalese explanation, but I have read that is the gist of it.  However, with all that is being reviewed and negotiated between our 2 countries, who know what will be the laws tomorrow.

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« Reply #74 on: March 08, 2018, 12:37:52 PM »
No Tony, we wouldn't let him in, he looks too much like some elsy

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« Reply #75 on: March 08, 2018, 07:07:52 PM »
Bill I am sure that an immigration lawyer could provide a legalese explanation, but I have read that is the gist of it.  However, with all that is being reviewed and negotiated between our 2 countries, who know what will be the laws tomorrow.

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« Reply #76 on: March 09, 2018, 06:00:47 AM »
okay....but ...What's an 'elsy' ?    :D

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« Reply #77 on: March 09, 2018, 06:14:12 AM »
Phat fingers

According to the Urban Dictionary P.H.A.T. is an acronym for Pretty Hot and Tempting. So elsy means pretty hot and tempting fingers.
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« Reply #78 on: March 09, 2018, 06:52:08 AM »
Thanks Gator, my wife says that too   ;)

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« Reply #79 on: June 12, 2018, 08:05:44 AM »
New to the conversation here, but we are headed up to Niagara Falls for a quick day visit in a little over a week from now.  We've never been to Canada, so we thought it would be a way to drive over (without our travel trailer), spend a day, and drive back to our camp and then do some other things.  16 years ago I got a DUI that was knocked down to a Public Intoxication. 

Before we go is there someone to call at the border or near the border to check ahead of time if it is going to be a problem to cross?  Has anyone done this before?

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« Reply #80 on: June 12, 2018, 08:21:44 AM »
http://www.canadaduientrylaw.com/

Unfortunately, getting into Canada with a DUI is not as simple as showing up at the border with a valid United States passport. If you have ever been arrested or convicted for driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, regardless of whether it was a misdemeanor or felony offense, you may be criminally inadmissible to Canada and denied entry. Regardless of whether or not you have any intention to drive while in the country, a DUI (including civil infractions and "Actual Physical Control DUI" violations) can cause you to get turned away at the border and can impede your eligibility across all Canadian immigration programs.

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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #81 on: June 12, 2018, 09:08:59 AM »
  16 years ago I got a DUI that was knocked down to a Public Intoxication. 

Before we go is there someone to call at the border or near the border to check ahead of time if it is going to be a problem to cross?  Has anyone done this before?

If it was knocked down from a DUI, I would think you'd be OK. Do you have any documentation that would relate to that which you could bring with you? It may help.
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« Reply #82 on: June 12, 2018, 03:07:42 PM »
For what it is worth, the US has similar laws.  An acquaintance went to a wedding in Manitoba in the 1970's when he was in his 20's.  $ of them were partying and decided to cross into North Dakota, he was Not driving, but they were denied entry into the US for being inebriated.  About 5 years ago, he was coming from Ontario to his park model in Florida, and was denied entry because of that previous occurrence.  It put him in a bad situation, so he waited a few days, went to another border crossing and had no problem getting in, nor has he since.  Go figure, it goes to show how much depends on the individual border guard.
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« Reply #83 on: June 24, 2018, 08:34:17 PM »
Update:  We just got home from our weeks trip up north.  I had no problem getting into Canada.  A whole bunch of worry here for nothing.  We had a great time at Niagara Falls and my 2 girls got to experience Canada for the first time. 

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« Reply #84 on: June 25, 2018, 07:47:32 AM »
Go figure, it goes to show how much depends on the individual border guard.

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« Reply #85 on: June 25, 2018, 07:52:14 AM »
That's it, in a nutshell!   >:(

No. I was not a DUI. It was public intoxication.
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« Reply #86 on: June 25, 2018, 08:01:03 AM »
I'm just saying that the individual customs/border agents have way too much individual power, based on their "feelings".  Been there, live on the Canadian border, and done that, more than once.  That's all, it's just my opinion.  And that's MY big problem with border crossings, no real "rules".  When it comes right down to it an agent can deny you entry based on his/her feelings, at the time, and you have no recourse at that time.
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« Reply #87 on: June 25, 2018, 08:50:46 AM »
When it comes right down to it an agent can deny you entry based on his/her feelings, at the time, and you have no recourse at that time.

I guess you'd have to wait for shift change, HuH?  ;D :D ;) :))
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« Reply #88 on: June 25, 2018, 01:27:06 PM »
Articles hit the papers on both sides of the border this week.  A 19 year old female resident of France was visiting her mother who lives in BC, and she went for a jog.  Unintentionally she crossed the border along the beach, she realized her mistake, turned around and was almost back into Canada.  However, 2 US border guards stopped her just before she crossed and she was placed in custody, transported about 200 miles away, and detained for over 2 weeks.  So, yes, border guards have way too much ability to arbitrarily decide the fate of people who are at the border.

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« Reply #89 on: June 25, 2018, 04:31:44 PM »
Hey, she got off easy.  A former US Marine took a wrong turn into Mexico and was stopped at the border where he was trying to turn around.  A pistol (as I recall) was in his vehicle. It took a couple of years to get him out.  Not much help from our government either.
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I guess you'd have to wait for shift change, HuH?  ;D :D ;) :))
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« Reply #91 on: October 14, 2018, 12:16:20 PM »
  I have made the crossing many times over the 50 years of traveling,, only since I received a concealed carry many years ago have I been systematically searched going north.>>>Dan
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« Reply #92 on: October 14, 2018, 12:30:38 PM »
it's a big country with lots of ways to just walk in or just step off of a boat on to Canada soil.

There is even one U.S. state that is only land accessible by going into Canada and back out.  Are there no Alaskans that ever got a DUI ?
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« Reply #93 on: October 14, 2018, 08:07:34 PM »
What all will they do if an American is caught in Canada illegally ?     They just let all the draft dodgers in and that was a felony wasn't it?
But none of the immigrants to Canada to avoid service was ever convicted of any crime before going to Canada as a matter of Conscience  As I remember the time the phrase was America love it or leave it. They made a choice that affected the rest of their lives. I applaud their courage and conviction. It is hard to go against the majority for a belief.
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« Reply #94 on: October 15, 2018, 07:24:50 AM »
  They made a choice that affected the rest of their lives. I applaud their courage and conviction. It is hard to go against the majority for a belief.

I don't applaud them for anything.  Too many seem to think you live in this country and get to pick and choose what you want to do and what you don't want to do.  In a majority of cases that is very true but freedom isn't free and service to your country was required by the laws of the time.  The draft law was being enforced at the time and they sought to evade it.  I will be blunt - it was the cowards that fled and the heroes that served.

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« Reply #95 on: October 15, 2018, 10:48:33 AM »
    Well Bill we accepted them, and most of those that stayed have become exceptional citizens.  Your loss was our gain, and we do not consider them as cowards.  Obviously subsequent government thought differently as well, since they offered amnesty to those wishing to return, it is those who found ways to illegally avoid the draft were the real cowards.

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« Reply #96 on: October 15, 2018, 10:53:36 AM »
I agree but we are starting to tread on shaky ground here. Let's keep politics out of this and stay civil.

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« Reply #97 on: October 15, 2018, 11:10:44 AM »
     it is those who found ways to illegally avoid the draft were the real cowards.

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Running to Canada to avoid the draft was illegal...

   many of us that served during Vietnam didn't agree with it but we did what our country asked us to do.

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« Reply #98 on: October 15, 2018, 01:34:28 PM »
    Well Bill we accepted them, and most of those that stayed have become exceptional citizens.  Your loss was our gain, and we do not consider them as cowards.  Obviously subsequent government thought differently as well, since they offered amnesty to those wishing to return, it is those who found ways to illegally avoid the draft were the real cowards.

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You don't consider fleeing to another country to be illegally avoiding the draft?  I am glad you gained those folks and are happy for those that stayed.  The President offered the amnesty just to put the whole issue behind us and not tie up the courts for years.

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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #99 on: October 15, 2018, 01:36:19 PM »
I agree but we are starting to tread on shaky ground here. Let's keep politics out of this and stay civil.
If anything this is NOT politics. It is how humans react when faced with a put up or shut up moment.  By shutting up I mean chose to leave it to others to do their duty and take the risks.  Nothing political about that.

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« Reply #100 on: October 17, 2018, 09:06:27 PM »
There were many ways to avoid service during the draft. One famous or infamous rock legend pooped his pants to get out of being drafted. A reality show star that went into politics claimed he had bone spurs and received 5 deferments. A heavyweight boxing champion courageously just said ďI ainít goingĒĒ.  Many went to Canada. My number didnít come up. But I was almost ďputĒ into the Marines. Too long a story for here. Ended up joining the AF.
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« Reply #101 on: October 18, 2018, 07:23:27 AM »
     My point was that from personal experience none of these people who came to Canada were "cowards".  Most held strong beliefs of anti Vietnam War for one of many reasons.  They left family and friends behind with the probability they would never be able to see their country of birth ever again.  As stated previously, those that stayed have become productive individuals and a good part of the Canadian mosaic.
     Nevertheless, none of the foregoing has one tiny bit of connection to the OP's original post.  Nor does it address the stupid bureaucratic BS that occurs by both border services from time to time.  One can only imagine going forward the difficulties Canadian will encounter now that cannabis is legal.  For example, the press has reported that a Canadian woman 36 years ago received a ticket for having 1 joint in her possession and when asked at the border she was honest, and was then told she could not enter the US, at least DUI is a criminal conviction, not a ticket.

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« Reply #102 on: October 18, 2018, 07:55:52 AM »
We have said on many occasions we would like to go to Canada. Have been close enough to nearly jump across the border but didnít go. I surely hope thereís nothing in my past that will disqualify me from entering Canada. I donít remember much from 1969-1975 so there could be something between those years that would hurt my chances.
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« Reply #103 on: October 18, 2018, 08:35:53 AM »
I don't applaud them for anything.  Too many seem to think you live in this country and get to pick and choose what you want to do and what you don't want to do.  In a majority of cases that is very true but freedom isn't free and service to your country was required by the laws of the time.  The draft law was being enforced at the time and they sought to evade it.  I will be blunt - it was the cowards that fled and the heroes that served.

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Damn that ideology of individual liberty.  A good citizen does what the crown tells him to do and the government knows what is best for you.  Not sure if that is a Hitler quote, Stalin quote, Pol Pot quote, etc.

Doing what you are told to do for fear of reprisals is anything but heroic.  I refer you to the Nuremberg Defense.

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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #104 on: October 18, 2018, 08:37:56 AM »
We have said on many occasions we would like to go to Canada. Have been close enough to nearly jump across the border but didnít go. I surely hope thereís nothing in my past that will disqualify me from entering Canada. I donít remember much from 1969-1975 so there could be something between those years that would hurt my chances.

For the most part you are probably fine after all this time.  The US also imposes the same types of restrictions on non-citizens coming into the US.  If you have ever been convicted of any felony you can be denied entry. 

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« Reply #105 on: October 18, 2018, 11:33:51 AM »
For the most part you are probably fine after all this time.  The US also imposes the same types of restrictions on non-citizens coming into the US.  If you have ever been convicted of any felony you can be denied entry.

That's not true. I had a co worker who had an issue. He went to high school back in the late 50's and shortly after graduating, he got a DUI. Fast forward 40 years and he tried to enter Canada to work with me in a paper mill and they stopped him at the border for that DUI. We had to call another employee to come up to the border and they swapped positions.
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« Reply #106 on: October 18, 2018, 02:17:13 PM »
Look for a lot more whining coming now that Canada has legalized pot.  Just read an article that lays it out straight.  Pot is still illegally federally so if anyone tries to bring it in the pot is not allowed PLUS the person is also refused entry no matter if they dispose of it or not.  State law makes no difference as federal law trumps it.

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« Reply #107 on: October 18, 2018, 04:00:54 PM »
Just one more reason to be jealous of Canada.
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« Reply #108 on: October 18, 2018, 06:19:14 PM »
 :) :) :)
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« Reply #109 on: October 18, 2018, 07:47:21 PM »
Just one more reason to be jealous of Canada.
Canada is not in the same league as us. 

There are more people in just the state of California... than in the whole country of Canada.

if you're going to be jealous of a small country.... pick Monaco,  highest quality of life and no income tax.  :D
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« Reply #110 on: October 18, 2018, 09:32:56 PM »
Canada is not in the same league as us. 

Boy, you got that right. Canada is in a whole different league than us. They are in the major leagues. We got sent back to the minor league.
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« Reply #111 on: October 19, 2018, 06:49:41 AM »
Boy, you got that right. Canada is in a whole different league than us. They are in the major leagues. We got sent back to the minor league.

I am very proud of my country.  Your political views stink in my political view.  But you seem to be able to twist every post into something negative against the present administration. As for the pot issue, I have a daughter and three grandkids living in Canada and those GKs are all in their teens meaning they just get exposed to another form of mind bending drug in addition to alcohol.  I am not happy to see any mind influencing drug legalized anywhere on this planet but especially not just across the border.  Bad days are a coming.

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« Reply #112 on: October 19, 2018, 07:46:27 AM »
   In order to cool the rhetoric here is a good news story about Day 1 about an enterprising a 9 year old Girl Guide with cystic fibrosis, and what she did after school on Day 1.
   Bill, for what it is worth, and I have no idea if the facts will or do support the claims, one of the main reasons our government changed the law is that they say it will keep cannabis out of the hands of underaged users by pushing the illegal dealers out of the market.  Those of you from states that have legal pot may know better.
   But once more, this string was started about crossing the border with an old DUI, not about politics and more particularly not about draft dodging or pot.  I understand your support of your country, but there is no need to disparage ours because you do not agree with how you want to live your life.  Our 2 countries are similar in a lot of ways, but different in many.  Most Canadians would never want to swap systems and are very proud of our country and our way of life.  I'm sure your Canadian grandkids would be pleased to confirm that with you if you would let them.

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« Reply #113 on: October 19, 2018, 08:04:17 AM »
one of my favorite quotes 'aboot' Canada...

"Canada is like a loft apartment over a really great party." - Robin Williams

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« Reply #114 on: October 19, 2018, 08:43:57 AM »
one of my favorite quotes 'aboot' Canada...

"Canada is like a loft apartment over a really great party." - Robin Williams

The great party got moved upstairs.  ::)
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« Reply #115 on: October 19, 2018, 08:47:43 AM »
so why are you still here.... ???   

oh.. do you have a DUI ?   

( I'll bet that's why Alec Baldwin is still here too   :))...)


 :D  it's all just fun...
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« Reply #116 on: October 19, 2018, 09:39:14 AM »
so why are you still here.... ???   

oh.. do you have a DUI ?   

( I'll bet that's why Alec Baldwin is still here too   :))...)


 :D  it's all just fun...

I donít think I have a DUI. Like I said in earlier post, I canít remember much from 1969-1975. Moving is too hard. For 36 years the government moved us (about every three years). I donít want to do it myself.
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« Reply #117 on: October 19, 2018, 10:09:20 AM »
     Nah, we didn't want Alec Baldwin, and just to be sure we sent you Justin Bieber to marry his niece.

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« Reply #118 on: October 19, 2018, 10:17:20 AM »
The one thing you can be pretty sure of with these new laws in Canada, the appropriate questions will now be asked at the primary inspection points whether a Canadian or a returning American is crossing into the USA from Canada. Up until now, those questions were never asked in primary, at least not to me!!
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« Reply #119 on: October 19, 2018, 10:32:37 AM »
Bill N, do you honestly think your grandkids first got exposed to mind bending drugs on Wednesday? Legalization and regulation became necessary to somewhat control (and tax) an ongoing problem, prohibition didn't work in the 30's and it doesn't work now. Going back to the original question, unless our respective governments get together and work out sensible policies regarding alcohol and recreational drugs nothing will change but I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

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« Reply #120 on: October 19, 2018, 10:49:07 AM »
I donít think I have a DUI. Like I said in earlier post, I canít remember much from 1969-1975. Moving is too hard. For 36 years the government moved us (about every three years). I donít want to do it myself.

I know that feeling, 

In 71 I went through some training with members of the Royal Canadian Air Force...cool uniforms and they spoke weird,  but otherwise just normal good guys... ;D

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« Reply #121 on: October 19, 2018, 08:06:54 PM »
Bill N, do you honestly think your grandkids first got exposed to mind bending drugs on Wednesday? Legalization and regulation became necessary to somewhat control (and tax) an ongoing problem, prohibition didn't work in the 30's and it doesn't work now. Going back to the original question, unless our respective governments get together and work out sensible policies regarding alcohol and recreational drugs nothing will change but I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

No if they can read they knew about them for years. It is just that they couldn't go down to the street corner and buy it or have a buddy buy them. Actually I am not very worried about it as I feel they have been brought up about as right as you can bring up a kid these days - there are no guarantees. 
I have to laugh when you mention prohibition as all knew it didn't work but, while many will deny it, marijuana only leads to more deadly drugs for many of it's users and the opiod crisis going on now is probably the next step for a lot of the younger set.  Prohibition did not lead to any next step.  A drunk is a drunk and a menace to society and so is a MJ user - in my opinion.  I do not oppose medical marijuana as in cannabis oils as long as the THC component is minimal.  But I don't want to be driving on a highway with drunks AND marijuana zombies.
Also for Ed who said I was disparaging his country, that was not my intention as I intended to disparage ANY country that is stupid enough to make legal a drug that affects the mental state of it's user and endangers other vehicle occupants on the highways. Alcohol does a fine job of that already.  But I will admit your explanation does hold some water as to keeping it away from kids by keeping out the illegal stuff.  Not a big deal that I can see.
BTW, Canada may be great for keeping out people with DUIs  in their past but I had a friend in North Dakota who drove into Winnipeg on a weekly basis for the 3 years that I knew him and was never stopped.  So it is not exactly a foolproof system - few are.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #122 on: October 19, 2018, 08:24:00 PM »
"It is just that they couldn't go down to the street corner and buy it or have a buddy buy them." Yes they could, the only difference now is that an adult buddy can now legally buy it but is still in deep doo if caught supplying minors.

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« Reply #123 on: October 20, 2018, 08:04:43 AM »
The jury is out as to whether marijuana is a gateway drug. How do you know if someone that started with marijuana then went on to another drug would not have done so anyway, without starting with marijuana. I know plenty of folks that smoke marijuana and I would posit they would never think about anything stronger. Not all folks that drink alcohol end up alcoholics. Marijuana should be legal. Should be able to buy it same as alcohol. Should be able to grow it in your backyard. Should be able to cross borders with it in your possession wiithout recrimination.
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« Reply #124 on: October 20, 2018, 09:24:39 AM »
It's getting hard to tell which Canadian thread I'm on...

Canada legalizes pot ...or Canada with a DUI ?
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« Reply #125 on: October 20, 2018, 10:07:08 AM »
It's getting hard to tell which Canadian thread I'm on...

Canada legalizes pot ...or Canada with a DUI ?
Crossing into Canada with DUI  :)
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« Reply #126 on: October 20, 2018, 11:24:15 AM »
hmm.....well things have changed up in Canada, about 50% of the people living in Canada will soon be driving around DUI... (very slowly with a big smiles  ;D ).

so why should Canadian immigration even care about it now ?

They should do what we do .....no enforcement, is the same thing as not being illegal...

 ;)
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« Reply #127 on: October 20, 2018, 11:59:44 AM »
hmm.....well things have changed in Canada, about 50% of the people in Canada will now be driving around DUI... (very slowly with a big smiles  ;D ).

so why should Canadian immigration even care now ?

do what we do here.....no enforcement, is the same thing as being not illegal...

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That is very insulting to us Canadians despite the smiley attached.

Not sure how you can say that with such certainty. It is no different to alcohol which is legal within limits on both sides. I, for one, have never been stopped for alcohol, let alone convicted of a criminal offense.

They care because the "legal" pot is quite different to the stuff being sold on the black market in both potency, purity (quality) and quantity allowed. The quantity of alcohol, cigarettes and cash money being imported ARE checked on both sides when crossing the border as well and always have been (AFIK). There is NO legal POT in USA according to your FEDERAL laws despite several states having declared it legal

No enforcement??? Have you never crossed the boarder, either way, and sent for secondary inspection?? Even if you are the chosen 1 in so many routine inspections, when selected it can be an eye-opening experience. (I have, on both sides, with my initial declarations always proven accurate!!)

It is not the fact that it is a DUI, a DUI can be a criminal offense, similar to any other and any one convicted of such an offense  can/will be stopped. It works both ways... Anyone trying to enter the USA OR into Canada will be stopped if the conviction has an equivalent offense in the other country. Bail jumpers if detected will be turned over to the appropriate authorities on either side as well.
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« Reply #128 on: October 20, 2018, 12:32:35 PM »
Anyone trying to enter the USA OR into Canada will be stopped if the conviction has an equivalent offense in the other country.

question.

so if I had a conviction for possession of a schedule 1 narcotic ( Marijuana), a Federal felony here in the U.S,...can I now go into Canada ?

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« Reply #129 on: October 20, 2018, 12:42:38 PM »
If you are detected or answer Yes to any questions  regarding convictions or  use, the chances are NO, you won't be allowed in because it is a criminal offense in USA, despite certain state laws. It will work the same way for Canadians or USA citizens returning to the USA, despite the Canadian blessing of POT, if you are picked up for possession of or use of legal pot by the US Border Officials you will NOT be allowed into the USA. Not sure what they would do with a USA citizen returning home though. As of now at least, that seems to be the way it stands.

Medically prescribed pot is no different AFIK. We cannot take it into the USA, not sure how Canada stands on that one though, but.....

Note: On both sides the border, officials can check and verify any convictions (or pending charges) anywhere in USA or Canada at the touch of a keyboard. BIG Brother is alive and well on both sides.
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Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
« Reply #130 on: October 20, 2018, 12:48:27 PM »
I meant no offence to anyone Canadian or otherwise.

 It was a joke from back in the ol' days.... the cops just knew you were stoned if you were driving slowly. 

 But, you should realize people that are on many medicines are technically 'driving under the influence'.

Now days I'm guilty of 'driving under the influence'.... of Coffee.   ;)


The truth is boarder enforcement laws are hit or miss at best,  but if you ever state false information about anything...there may be a whole new Felony you will be charged with.


 

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