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I'm Looking At This Class C
« on: December 07, 2017, 06:43:22 AM »
My wife surprised me a few months back when she suggested a Class C to travel across the country with the grandkids aged 5 and 7. I've been looking at various models since. I do not want slide outs for several reasons. Everyone eventually has problems with them (we had a triple slide 5th wheel when we fulltimed). I also want a unit that everything is accessible when driving and stopping for the night at somewhere like Walmart or Sam's, etc. I also wanted a dinette and a couch and a walk around queen bed. I think I found it. It's a Gulfstream Conquest:

http://www.gulfstreamcoach.com/products/motorhomes/conquestclassc/model/6280

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2017, 07:07:22 AM »
We have had no problems at all with our slides, and we use them quite a bit. We can also access everything on the motorhome with the slides closed. The only obstacle at all with the slides closed is whoever is sleeping on the driver's side can't walk around the bed, they have to crawl in from the foot of the bed.
To me, someone saying they don't want slides because of problems is the same as saying they don't want a furnace, fridge, water heater, or generator because they have as many problems if not more than slides.
I was going to make a comment about the television not in a comfortable spot to watch it on the Conquest you linked, but I remembered that you guys spend 99% of your time outside except for sleeping, so that's not a big deal.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 07:09:42 AM by kdbgoat »
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2017, 07:31:28 AM »
I do not want slide outs

That's certainly your option (and the fact that non-slide rigs are still available means you're not alone) but I do think you're in the minority. Even if you don't want slides, a significant majority of folks do, and when the time comes to sell your rig I think there are many who wouldn't even look at it without slides, eliminating many if not most of your buyers.
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2017, 07:32:51 AM »
I look at RV's the same way I look at cars and trucks and motorcycles for that matter. I bought a black Harley because a color was an option. I try to buy the unit with the least amount of options. The things you mentioned are not options; fridge, furnace, water heater, etc. I don't really care about a TV but I don't think I could buy a unit w/o one. Besides it keeps the grandkids busy when it rains. As for the slide outs, I could take them or leave them. If I found a unit I really liked and it had slides and they did not impede using any part of the MH when retracted, that includes the bed-I don't want to have to crawl over the wife (although on occasion  there are benefits to that) when I need to get out and the price was right I would consider it.

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2017, 07:41:01 AM »
That's certainly your option (and the fact that non-slide rigs are still available means you're not alone) but I do think you're in the minority. Even if you don't want slides, a significant majority of folks do, and when the time comes to sell your rig I think there are many who wouldn't even look at it without slides, eliminating many if not most of your buyers.

You might be right about resale. But on the other hand if I buy a non slide out unit and they quit making them, mine might be in high demand. The fact that many folks want something should not influence my decision to purchase the unit I want. If I go to a dealer and tell them I want a unit with no slides and they try to talk me into one with slides because "everyone" wants slides I will go down the road and look. It could be that I will not be able to find a used unit like I want. If that is the case I will have to change my way of thinking and look at units with slides that impede movement the least when retracted.

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2017, 07:46:18 AM »
I think that is a very good layout. Our old Chateau 31N was very similar with the split bath & opposing couch/dinette. We have been taking our 2 oldest G-daughters out in the summer for about 7 yrs now. We didn't travel with a toad back then, so the ease of setting up & breaking camp was great. The most time consuming part of setting up was leveling with blocks, but we got that down to a science too.
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2017, 07:50:53 AM »
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I do not want slide outs for several reasons. Everyone eventually has problems with them

It may not change your mind, but I want to make clear that not "everyone" has problems with them (though pretty much everyone has trouble with something on the RV), and they do make for a lot more usable space, even a small slide.
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2017, 08:00:37 AM »
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2017, 08:16:51 AM »
Winnebago Minnie Winnie 25B at Smyrna, Coachmen Freelander 27QB at Delmarva in Milford.

Thanks for that. I have to go pick up our Drop today so might swing by and take a look. We are about a year from purchasing but doesn't hurt to look now. Who knows, we may find a deal we can't pass up.

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2017, 08:22:44 AM »
Be aware the Freelander is the Coachmen "economy" model in their lineup. :)
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2017, 03:03:40 PM »
well one advantage in that size class C if going "no slides" is likely a bit better weight capacity.  I don't know exactly how much weight a slide adds, but I can say that my class C only slightly larger than that, is really too heavy for the chassis.  Any little bit would help!

That being said, we like the slides.  we often keep our living room slide closed when just stopping for the night, but usually open the bedroom so the bed is walk-around...
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2017, 07:15:42 PM »
You didn't say what you've considered so far; sorry if you've already considered this:

https://winnebagoind.com/products/class-c/2018/minnie-winnie/floorplans

One of the things we like about our 31K is the fact you can function very comfortably with the slide in (and it only has one slide).  We don't put it out when we overnight on the way to our destination.  The sofa/bed is also great and very comfortable to sleep on.

It is the last three pics from left to right on the top row at this link:

https://winnebagoind.com/products/class-c/2018/minnie-winnie/interior/lounge

Cons: Shower size is a little small

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2017, 08:00:06 PM »
There are not many options without slides these days.  This one meets many of what you described but it has slides: Leprechaun 319DS
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2017, 08:02:29 PM »
We really haven't considered anything yet. We want to go to a few RV shows and sit in a few different floor plans. We are still at least a year away from buying. I do like to buy new but if a really good used one presents itself I could be convinced to buy used. Thanks for the links. I do like the 31 footer.

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2017, 08:09:28 PM »
There are not many options without slides these days.  This one meets many of what you described but it has slides: Leprechaun 319DS

It's really nice and the bed is facing the right way. It has some serious counter space. My wife will like that! Thanks.

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2017, 10:13:33 PM »
My last two RVs were a  truck camper with a side, and a Class A with two. My new rig does not have a slide, and I do not miss it at all.

I started RVing before slides, never became important to me. Maybe an Oldgator and an Oldracer have something in common!

« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 10:20:34 PM by OLDRACER »

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2017, 05:41:42 AM »
Gator, Leprechaun 319DS is what I have. If you get down my way sometime, I'll gladly let you guys take a good look a it.
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2017, 05:48:07 AM »
My last two RVs were a  truck camper with a side, and a Class A with two. My new rig does not have a slide, and I do not miss it at all.

I started RVing before slides, never became important to me. Maybe an Oldgator and an Oldracer have something in common!



Yeah, I just feel like if it's not needed then I don't want it.
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Gator, Leprechaun 319DS is what I have. If you get down my way sometime, I'll gladly let you guys take a good look a it.

I might just take you up on that, thanks.

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2017, 08:17:44 AM »
   Started using an RV with slide-outs in the 60s.... a pop-up rented for vacations when I was a kid!   ;D
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2017, 08:20:05 AM »
   Started using an RV with slide-outs in the 60s.... a pop-up rented for vacations when I was a kid!   ;D

Yeah, we had a tent with a slideout.

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2017, 12:36:47 PM »
Gator, that Leprechaun model also has a lot of storage space all the way in the back.  Nice unit.
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2017, 01:51:52 PM »
would like to see a pic o that tent w/slideout

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2017, 07:23:57 PM »
We had a Fleetwood Tioga with similar floor plan. Look at the closet space closely. It could be lacking.

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2017, 09:30:18 PM »
would like to see a pic o that tent w/slideout

Wish we had one. We were in Japan and you know it's hard to find a good camera in Japan.

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2017, 09:50:59 PM »
Yeah, we had a tent with a slideout.

   Pretty much all pop-ups have slide-outs... would like to see that tent though!    ;)
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2017, 01:27:05 PM »
Richard,  I haven't seen on Class C with significant closet space.
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2017, 02:10:02 PM »
Mine has enough wardrobe, cabinet space in the bedroom that we can easily carry enough clothes to change outfits  for both of us for 3 weeks easy, and definitely 4 weeks wearing pants twice without having to do laundry.
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2017, 03:09:10 PM »
kdgoat, I agree with you, I don't have complaints about the space in mine, but some people have unrealistic expectations.
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2017, 07:30:26 AM »
kdgoat, I agree with you, I don't have complaints about the space in mine, but some people have unrealistic expectations.

Take a look at the closet space we have in our ws31.  The four winds 31W has the same floor plan.
Private double closet & dressers for the bedroom. Double door closet & dresser drawers for our G-daughters to have their own space.  https://assets-cdn-interactrv.netdna-ssl.com/interactrv/unit_tech_drawing/imgh_800x600-m1202201616043896/mod77256.jpg

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2017, 07:37:15 AM »
That seems to have plenty of closet space. How is the usable space with slide in?

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2017, 09:05:53 AM »
On mine, it's the same, except the closet alongside the bed on the driver's side.
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2017, 02:53:45 PM »
Thanks 99Dart, for the info.  As I said, I don't have complaints with mine either. We have a separate walking closet.
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2017, 05:30:54 PM »
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We have a separate walking closet.

Now that I'd like to see!  ;D ::)  Sorry, just couldn't resist that.

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2017, 07:46:04 PM »
Sorry, walk-in. 8) 8) 8)
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2017, 03:03:05 PM »
Richard,  I haven't seen on Class C with significant closet space.

Mine has more closet and interior cabinet space than we really use....and that with a  family of 5.  Even when packed on our long trips, we have several spaces that still go under utilized or even nearly empty.  Some are just holding stuff, such as the OEM bedspread that matches the curtains.  We will never use that.  The floorplan doesn't look like much on paper but it's a good one
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2017, 01:47:12 PM »
Richard,  I haven't seen on Class C with significant closet space.

Mostly true. What the OP is looking at, if you do the math. There will be about 12" per side closet space. 102" coach -74" wide bed = 28" - 2" per wall = 24" divided by 2 = 12" per closet.
May work for week ends.
Just making an observation.

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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2017, 10:24:05 PM »
I bought a black Harley because a color was an option. I try to buy the unit with the least amount of options.

I agree that not having slides should add some Weight savings all things being equal which is a huge advantage in that size of class C.  I had a 31 foot Thor Class C and it was about maxed out if I got change back in coins. :)

Hooray for you for getting what you want - Just wondering though why do you try to buy the unit with the least amount of options. 

I personally shun many of them because they are super high margin for the dealer and bells and whistles that I don't need to pay full retail for but I was interested in your thought process.

Whatever you end up with your company and attitude mean more than whether the wall slides out!!  Enjoy, Enjoy and don't forget to Enjoy!
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2017, 10:44:01 PM »
If you want a quality well built Class C give Lazy Daze in Monrovia Ca a look see. No dealers to mess with, you order direct. We still own a vintage 22 footer that we passed down to our kids. If and when you want to sell these units hold there value all things considerd. There is a forom for LD owners that is like this one, chock full of great info. Do yourself a favor and give them a look. Happy Camping!
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Re: I'm Looking At This Class C
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2017, 07:30:50 AM »
Slides are a personal choice.  Extra space when parked is the only advantage to a slide. Added weight, more chance of mechanical failure, and not airtight in cooler weather are all disadvantages.  If a slide fails when it's extended you aren't going anywhere until it's fixed. The floor plans that have to have the slide extended to use the bed are worthless for anyone who travels a lot and wants to use rest areas.

We don't need them and didn't want them.  We moved up from a B and wanted something as dependable. A typical slide adds around 800 pounds or more to a rig. Add a couple more and you have little to  no cargo capacity left.  That's a lot of cargo carrying capacity lost and the extra weight can really affect the handling of a rig.

Last year a neighbor was looking at our rig and stated that he likes having the extra space and didn't see any disadvantage. A couple days later when he went to leave his slide would not retract. Took him a day and a half to get someone there that could get it closed so he could drive it (and it still wasn't fixed).

If we were full timing and sitting in one spot a lot then they might be a plus but for us but we use ours mostly for traveling and can't use them in rest stops anyway. We are not planning on selling it so resale isn't a problem.  Don't think it would be that much of a disadvantage anyway in an older rig.
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