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Need advice on Ford F150
« on: December 21, 2017, 08:03:46 AM »
Hi all - I've just retired and am considering buying an UltraLite 5th wheel so I can pull it with a half ton pickup.  Am very interested in the Ford F150 with the 3.5L 6 cylinder turbocharged EcoTech engine.  Does anyone have any experience with this engine?  Any comments, complaints, or suggestions would be extremely welcome!

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2017, 09:01:00 AM »
The engine has plenty of power as long as you don't mind revving it up to produce the hp.

The biggest issue with a half ton truck and a 5W is the lack of carrying capacity (payload). Even an "ultralight" 5W puts 20% of its GVWR weight on the hitch pin, so even a modest size 5W will likley load the truck with 1500-2000 lbs. Few F150's have that much payload.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2017, 09:35:55 AM »
Possibly the worst idea put forth this week.  1500 series trucks simply are not suited.   To get towing ratings sufficient to even consider a fiver you will need the HD package.  Meaning single digit towing MPG.  Any you still get weak semi floating rear axle, weak P metric tires, soft springs.  If you really want a 1500 eco boost then get a properly matched TT.  If you want a fifth wheel, especially for more than weekend travels then get a correctly matched truck.
1500= not suitable for fifth wheels
2500= good for fivers up to about 10,000 GVWR
3500 SRW= good for fivers up to around 13,000 GVWR.
3500 duallies= good for fivers up to around 16,000 GVWR

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2017, 10:14:33 AM »
I'm not a 5th wheeler...but I have an observation.

Every now and then I'll see some rather small 5th wheel trailers.  Usually, perhaps always, they are a bit on the "classic" end of the age scale
Many of these look very much to be within the realm of a properly equipped half ton. 

Looking at the more modern 5th wheels I see on the road, I'd say easily 90% of them are about the size of my first two houses combined.

Maybe he's got his sights set on something a bit smaller than most folks now days think about when they picture a 5th wheel.....
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2017, 10:20:29 AM »
Another issue with an "ultralite", what has been scrimped on to make it ultra light? Thin frame, thin roofing and flooring, etc.? I'm not saying someone can't be perfectly happy with an ultra light, but they should be aware of what they are getting for their money.
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2017, 12:21:17 PM »
And PLEASE......PLEASE, don't be fooled by the manufacturer's "Dry weight" numbers or the advertised pin weight.  Both of those numbers are totally useless.  No one goes camping with an empty trailer.  The number that you need to look at is the GVWR of the trailer....then multiply that number times 20% and you will have a fairly close representation of the real world/actual pin weight of the trailer you are looking at.  If your F150 for example has a 1750 lb payload capacity, even a 5ver of only 7000 lbs GVWR will put you to the very edge of your payload capacity.   7000 lbs times 20% = 1400 lbs.  Then add on your bed hitch....maybe another 175 lbs and you've got 1575 lbs.  That leaves you with an extra 175 lbs for EVERYTHING else that goes on or in the truck before you are overloaded.  And even if you make it under that number, do you really want to spend your "towing time" right on the ragged edge?  I know I don't.  The best advice I can give you is to educate yourself with all the info that you can find about towing and towing capacities, don't believe the sales brochure, and certainly don't listen to the trailer salesman when they start their sales pitch with......"Yea, that truck of yours can tow most any trailer around"!!  Run, don't walk, away from that guy or gal....they want a sale first and generally don't have any regards for your needs and your safety.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2017, 03:26:01 PM »
Possibly the worst idea put forth this week.  1500 series trucks simply are not suited.   To get towing ratings sufficient to even consider a fiver you will need the HD package.  Meaning single digit towing MPG.  Any you still get weak semi floating rear axle, weak P metric tires, soft springs.  If you really want a 1500 eco boost then get a properly matched TT.  If you want a fifth wheel, especially for more than weekend travels then get a correctly matched truck.
1500= not suitable for fifth wheels
2500= good for fivers up to about 10,000 GVWR
3500 SRW= good for fivers up to around 13,000 GVWR.
3500 duallies= good for fivers up to around 16,000 GVWR

donn,

Where does your info come for for a 350/3500 dually. Per Ford 2017 towing specs the F350 4X2 LB with a 4.10 rear axle ratio is rated to tow up to 32,200#GVWR goose neck trailer and 27,500#GVWR trailer for a 5th wheel and GCWR of 40,000#

Here is a  link to Ford towing specs, take a look at page 6 for goose neck/5th wheel towing.

https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/17RV&TT_Ford_SuperDtyPU_Sep9.pdf

Now I'm not saying someone should tow that high but that is what the manufacturer is rating the truck for. My 2017 Ram with 3.42 rear rating is rated for a 16,000 GVWR 5er and Rams run just a little shy of the Ford ratings for lower geared 3500 DRW with the Aisin trans .
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2017, 03:31:10 PM »
Over on the Grand Design site there is a fellow that tows a Reflection 303 5er with his F150 EB with the heavy tow package. He travels every year from Canada south. This is a very knowledge person and he loves how his truck pulls the 5er. I have the same trailer and use a Ram 3500 Mega cab dually to pull mine, but I know I'm over trucked for what I'm towing.

There is another one pulling on if the lighter Reflection 150 series and is very happy with his handling and he used to have a bigger truck pulling the Reflection 303 but downsized to the new truck and trailer.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2017, 05:41:16 PM »
95 % of the time, towing ANY FW  with a ˝ ton truck is a very bad idea.  The rare exception is a F150 special ordered with the HEAVY TOW package.  This gets the payload up into the range it can tow a SMALL FW.

Manufacturers claims of ˝ ton towable should be a criminal offense, as they put unsuspecting customers in grave danger!  Their excuse is the DRY, or empty weight is within the payload range of SOME ˝ ton trucks, IF they are carrying no passengers or other cargo.  The truth is that nobody goes camping with an empty camper or an empty truck.

I had a conversation with a friend recently.  He had just bought a new lightly equipped reg cab ˝ ton pickup, with a larger than usual Payload, and said it could pull a FW.  The truck dealer also sells campers and he had a ˝ ton towable that only weighed 7,000#.  I said, OK, now add 1,000# of gear to the trailer, makes 8000#.  20% is 1600# pin wt.  Add a 200 # FW hitch.  We are at 1800#.  Then I opened the driver door, pointed at the yellow placard, showing a max load of about 1850#.  I added, as soon as you sit down in the cab, without passengers, you are overweight.

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2017, 06:09:42 PM »
donn,

Where does your info come for for a 350/3500 dually. Per Ford 2017 towing specs the F350 4X2 LB with a 4.10 rear axle ratio is rated to tow up to 32,200#GVWR goose neck trailer and 27,500#GVWR trailer for a 5th wheel and GCWR of 40,000#

Here is a  link to Ford towing specs, take a look at page 6 for goose neck/5th wheel towing.

https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/17RV&TT_Ford_SuperDtyPU_Sep9.pdf

Now I'm not saying someone should tow that high but that is what the manufacturer is rating the truck for. My 2017 Ram with 3.42 rear rating is rated for a 16,000 GVWR 5er and Rams run just a little shy of the Ford ratings for lower geared 3500 DRW with the Aisin trans .

Towing spec doesn’t always consider the pin weight. I suspect if you had a trailer where the weight was pretty much over the axels, then the towing capacity would be the gating item. For RV trailers, more weight is on the pin. Heck, subtract the axel capacities from the gvwr and you will see that some simply has to be on the pin.

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2017, 10:12:07 PM »
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Any comments, complaints, or suggestions would be extremely welcome!
Everyone has a opinion. Some based on actual vehicle specs and others based on personnel bias against 1/2 ton trucks.

 Any 1/2 ton truck can pull a 5th wheel trailer that fits within its ratings.

 Looking at Fords fleet body specs show you can get a F150 with gvwrs ranging from 6200 up to 8200 lbs and several rawr numbers from small 3600 lbs up to 4800 lbs. RAWR is of major concerns as its carrying all the load in the bed.
 Don't be fooled by Fords max tow packages as its based on towing instead of load carrying ability.

 The best package is the F150HD 7850-8200  GVWR and 4800 rawr which is good for up to around 2400-2500 lbs before exceeding rawr.

 Next down is a 7500-7600 gvwr and 4550 rawr good for around 2000-2100 lb in the bed.

 Worst is the 6800-7050 gvwr with small 3800-4000 lb rawr good for 1400-1600 lbs in the bed.

 Which size F150 3.5 eb engine cab selection 2wd vs 4wd bed length have to be considered also. Those that tow a 5th wheel trailer or a TT with the 3.5 EB engine seem well pleased with its performance.

 You didn't say if your looking at new or used but a used higher capacity F150HD is all but impossible to find. Owners are hanging on to these trucks.

 Fifth wheel trailers come in sizes from 5k up to 25k so let the trailers dry weight and GVWR determine which size F150 you need.

 
 

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2017, 07:05:47 AM »
This forum is great!  I've been trying to read up on so much stuff, my head is spinning!  I'm hoping to get a 5th wheel, about 27-32 foot - seen some pretty nice used ones advertised that are in the 10K GVWR range.  I have been told to get a truck first, then buy a FW that I can tow with it.  The 2015 F150 specs I had been looking at show the 3.5L V6 can tow from 10,500 to 11,800 lbs depending on cab/bed size.  Now it looks like I need to consider the rear axle weight rating, is that right? 
Right now, my girlfriend and I are not planning on being full-timers but we would sure like to take some 2 or 3 week trips.  Lots to see and do, and never enough time to do it all!  Thanks, Larry

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2017, 07:14:12 AM »
95 % of the time, towing ANY FW  with a ˝ ton truck is a very bad idea.  The rare exception is a F150 special ordered with the HEAVY TOW package.  This gets the payload up into the range it can tow a SMALL FW.

My advice is to buy an F350.  They are virtually the same price as a similarly equipped F150, yet are 10x the truck.

Look at the payload, not the towing capacity.

Let your wife and daughter drive the F150 to the grocery store.
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2017, 07:18:29 AM »
I have been told to get a truck first, then buy a FW that I can tow with it. 

I would never buy the truck first unless you buy something that will haul anything like a 4500. 
I would find the RV with the floor plan that is best for me and my DW. That's the most important thing is make sure she's happy. Then buy a truck to match it.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2017, 07:50:09 AM »
This forum is great!  I've been trying to read up on so much stuff, my head is spinning!  I'm hoping to get a 5th wheel, about 27-32 foot - seen some pretty nice used ones advertised that are in the 10K GVWR range.  I have been told to get a truck first, then buy a FW that I can tow with it.  The 2015 F150 specs I had been looking at show the 3.5L V6 can tow from 10,500 to 11,800 lbs depending on cab/bed size.  Now it looks like I need to consider the rear axle weight rating, is that right? 
Right now, my girlfriend and I are not planning on being full-timers but we would sure like to take some 2 or 3 week trips.  Lots to see and do, and never enough time to do it all!  Thanks, Larry

Did you read my post up above ^^^^^....the one by xrated...me?  I clearly explained the payload issue that you are going to encounter with a F150 towing a 7000 lb GVWR trailer.....and you are still thinking about something in the 10,000 lb GVWR?  Can you say O V E R L O A D E D?
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2017, 08:37:24 AM »
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Where does your info come for for a 350/3500 dually. Per Ford 2017 towing specs the F350 4X2 LB with a 4.10 rear axle ratio is rated to tow up to 32,200#GVWR goose neck trailer and 27,500#GVWR trailer for a 5th wheel and GCWR of 40,000#

Sure they can pull that much trailer weight, but they can't carry anywhere near that much 5W pin weight. A 27,500 lb 5W RV would load the truck down with a 5500 lbs pin weight!   Further, the stated tow ratings do not fully account for frontal area resistance either. The base assumption in the Ford Tow Guide is a max of 75 sq ft of 5W frontal area, but a typical large 5W RV will be more like 100 sq ft.  Ford has an entire page in their tow guide on frontal area considerations and says "Exceeding these limitations may significantly reduce the performance of your towing vehicle".
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2017, 02:09:38 PM »
We started out with a smal fiver and a truck that according to the specs should have handled it. It was not a pleasant experience in the mountains, two trips were enough to convince us. A 10,000 lb fiver is the most I am comfortable with behind my 2500. It's overkill for the current one but I am happy with it. Larry, you and your lady either need to consider more truck or scale back your expectations for the trailer.

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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2017, 04:07:46 PM »
I have no personal experience but have 2 friends who pulled approx 9,500 lb 5ers with F150 EcoBoosts for 2 years and they both hated it. One added air bags to level things out but that ironically reduced his available CCC. Both traded up. One for a 2500 GMC and the other for an F350.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2017, 06:54:39 PM »
FORGET PUBLISHED TOW RATINGS!!!

Pick the FW FIRST!  Then and only then, you know how much truck / PAYLOAD /RAWR  you need to haul it.

A 27 - 32 ft FW is not a small FW.  Unless you get the F150HD as X rated said and I referenced, and buy on the smaller end, no ˝ ton truck will carry that heavy of a load.

Calculate how much weight is on the rear end.  Simply add 200# for a hitch to 20% of the FW  GVWR.  That will sit directly above your rear axle.  This MUST be less than net axle capacity.
Now add the weight of all passengers and cargo in the truck to the number above.  This MUST be less than the yellow placard Max Capacity of the truck.

To pull the camper you want, you really need a F250 / F350.  These two trucks are virtually identical twins.  The difference is in the rear spring pack and rated capacity.  For the very small, less than $1000 new, price difference, get the extra capacity F350.  Do not let the dealer change your mind, based on what he has in stock!
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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2017, 07:47:50 PM »
Amen Preacher!  You got it goin' on.
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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2017, 11:06:45 PM »
When I had a 32 ft FW, I thought I would be ok with a 2500HD Silverado.  I was wrong and had to trade it for a 3500 RAM.  Then my problems vanished.  Get a 3500 truck for the FW you want. Otherwise, you will be trading trucks in the future like I did.
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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2017, 11:19:02 PM »
Lmao i love this post i find it amazing that some people only hear what they want to hear and ignore the invaluable advise given
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2017, 01:32:11 PM »
This forum is great!  I've been trying to read up on so much stuff, my head is spinning!  I'm hoping to get a 5th wheel, about 27-32 foot - seen some pretty nice used ones advertised that are in the 10K GVWR range.  I have been told to get a truck first, then buy a FW that I can tow with it.  The 2015 F150 specs I had been looking at show the 3.5L V6 can tow from 10,500 to 11,800 lbs depending on cab/bed size.  Now it looks like I need to consider the rear axle weight rating, is that right? 
Right now, my girlfriend and I are not planning on being full-timers but we would sure like to take some 2 or 3 week trips.  Lots to see and do, and never enough time to do it all!  Thanks, Larry
I would say you need to down size from a 5th wheel trailer that size.
   My 28RK weighs 11200-11400 lbs depending on how its loaded and has a 2200-2400 lb hitch weight. Works fine for my 2500 Dodge/Cummins however by the time you add the 2400 lbs hitch weight plus a 180-200 lb hitch/rails/mounting brackets and another  couple of hundred lbs in the bed... there is no F150 that can carry that much weight in the bed.
 Ford gives these trucks a 10k-11k lb tow rating for all types of trailers not just a rv trailer. Example is one of my 10k car haulers which would work with the right F150 simply because the load on the trailer can be placed  for any required hitch weight. We can't do that with a 5th wheel rv trailer or a TT.

 I'll run some numbers at you for the F150HD 7850 gvwr 4800 rawr. These trucks rear axle may weigh 2400-2500 lbs range which leaves around 2300-2400 lb payload in the bed before exceeding a wheel/tire/rear spring pack. Now subtract that 200 lb hitch system = 2200 lbs and another 200 lbs for stuff in the bed and back of the cab = 2000 lbs for a max load.

 If your sticking with a F150HD  I would look at 5th wheel trailers with 1600-1700 lb dry pin weight.
 

 

 


   

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2017, 01:46:40 PM »
IriteI...  You might buy a F150, it might pull a 5 wheel on flat land, but I'll bet your F150 that you'll upgrade to at least a F250 after one trip.  Be smart, these guys have been pulling and rigging trailers for years.  Buy a used F250 if money is an issue, buy a Diesel, and you'll really be happy.  Nothing stinks worse than being under-Powered.  And above all else, don't listen to a salesman when it comes to specs.  You are doing the right thing.  Research the heck out of this, and this site has tons of great information and advice.  Welcome...

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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2017, 02:18:09 PM »
Real world CAT scale numbers.

2010 F-150 4x4 with e-boost engine 356 hp. towing capacity 15,000, cargo capacity 1411. weight of truck and trailer when ready for the road is 13,000 lbs.
2011 25 FT Dutchmen Lite tow behind when loaded for the road 6200 lbs. 700 lbs. tongue weight. (dry weight 5004 lb. 406 on tongue.) So, dry does not mean much.
2 adult, dog and camp gear in bed of truck 650 lbs.
So if you do the math you will see that I am very near my trucks cargo capacity.

The F-150 had done a great job of towing the Dutchmen for the last 30,000 mile. We have crossed the Rockies twice with no problems and the turbo charger provided low end torque when needed.

I really enjoy my rig combo but in all honesty I could not find a FW light enough for my F-150 when loaded for the road.

I think an F-250 is sound advice.     

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2017, 11:38:44 PM »
Like many have said, find the trailer you want FIRST, then the truck to pull up it. You will come out way ahead of the game.  If you want a gas truck, the 3/4 ton gas trucks will get the job done, and still have a softer ride when unloaded.  After working on the industry (both truck and rv repair) the F150 ECOboost is a awesome truck, with a staggering payload. BUT I would never recommend a 5th wheel and a 1/2 ton to anyone

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2017, 10:28:27 PM »
Consider a F250 or F350.  You can get into those trucks for approximately the same amount as a F150 with the 3.5 EcoBoost.  I just went through this process in August.  I landed on a F250 Lariat with the 6.7 diesel and the truck is amazing. 

The price of the F150 I was looking at was $58K.  I got the F250 for $60K.  The Super Duty trucks are in a different league.  A F350 is only about $600 more than a F250 and you pick up even more cargo capacity.  Important for a 5th wheel customer. 

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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2017, 03:20:59 PM »
Owned a 2015 F150 3.5 supercrew and did lot of homework.  Actually Bought a Cougar 29RLI for the F150 3 weeks ago Sunday.  Monday I bought a 2017 F250 6.7L and then changed my order to a 344MKS and picked it up that Sat.  Long story, but bottom line is for your F150... keep the hitch weight 1200-1400 and total dry weight around 7K and you will be fine.  F150 3.5 has tons of TQ (420) and 340 HP.  Just remember, do your own homework.  Towed a 5K lb TT with F150 and barely knew it was back there.  Everyone has an opinion and this is mine.

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2017, 03:59:33 PM »
Owned a 2015 F150 3.5 supercrew and did lot of homework.  Actually Bought a Cougar 29RLI for the F150 3 weeks ago Sunday.  Monday I bought a 2017 F250 6.7L and then changed my order to a 344MKS and picked it up that Sat.  Long story, but bottom line is for your F150... keep the hitch weight 1200-1400 and total dry weight around 7K and you will be fine.  F150 3.5 has tons of TQ (420) and 340 HP.  Just remember, do your own homework.  Towed a 5K lb TT with F150 and barely knew it was back there.  Everyone has an opinion and this is mine.

Depending on how the F250 is equipped, you may still not have enough payload capacity.  You didn't offer much info about it....2WD vs. 4WD....Crew Cab vs. Regular Cab...Lariat vs. stripped down model...camper package vs. standard springs!  My previous truck, a 2011 F250 diesel CC 4x4 XLT came with 2148 lbs of payload capacity.  The 344MKS shows a GVWR of around 12.5K, so that's close to 2500 lbs of pin weight without the hitch and all your other stuff.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2017, 08:00:27 PM »
Owned a 2015 F150 3.5 supercrew and did lot of homework.  Actually Bought a Cougar 29RLI for the F150 3 weeks ago Sunday.  Monday I bought a 2017 F250 6.7L and then changed my order to a 344MKS and picked it up that Sat.  Long story, but bottom line is for your F150... keep the hitch weight 1200-1400 and total dry weight around 7K and you will be fine.  F150 3.5 has tons of TQ (420) and 340 HP.  Just remember, do your own homework.  Towed a 5K lb TT with F150 and barely knew it was back there.  Everyone has an opinion and this is mine.

To each his own opinion, but this is a recipe for real trouble.  A DRY wt of 7K will mean a pin wt of 1400 lbs (20%) and a loaded weight of 8K or 9K, which is the true weight of what you are towing, not some misleading mystery spec from the manufacturer.  With a 8K or 9K weight, the ACTUAL pin wt will be 1600 - 1800 lbs.  Add a 200 lb hitch and a couple passengers and you are significantly overweight for almost all ˝ ton trucks not owned by a construction company or for other industrial use.
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« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2017, 09:30:16 PM »
Sure they can pull that much trailer weight, but they can't carry anywhere near that much 5W pin weight. A 27,500 lb 5W RV would load the truck down with a 5500 lbs pin weight!   Further, the stated tow ratings do not fully account for frontal area resistance either. The base assumption in the Ford Tow Guide is a max of 75 sq ft of 5W frontal area, but a typical large 5W RV will be more like 100 sq ft.  Ford has an entire page in their tow guide on frontal area considerations and says "Exceeding these limitations may significantly reduce the performance of your towing vehicle".

Yes they would have a 5500# pin weight but there are Ford F350 DRW regular cab trucks rated for over 6700# payload. I know this would have to be a stripped out model but they are there. Heck my Ram 3500 Lariat Mega cab dually is rated for a payload of 5445# payload (this is the yellow sticker on my door frame)and it is heavily optioned. I aslo know that is total of every thing that I load onto my truck. I know about frontal area but take a look and Ford even states that the E series cut aways  make impressive MH chassis and then you look up  and they recommend a frontal area of no more than 60 sq ft. Then you could only have a 8'X8' frontal area on  class c MH. There pictures on their towing spec page shows a big cabover class c MH. Kind of double talk I think.

But for someone to say that a 350/3500 DRW truck is only good for up to 16,000# GVWR is ludicrous. Also I'm not one that runs over on my weights. Like I stated I have a dually 14,000# GVWR truck and I'm pulling a 12,000 GVWR trailer with a 2510# pin weight.

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« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2018, 05:20:58 AM »
Truck is Lariat supercrew 4x4.  No kids, no wife so travel light. (travel with light beer too). Its about 12k loaded and about 2500 on the hitch.


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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2018, 06:25:53 AM »
Very rarely do you ever hear that " I have too much Truck.... But you very often hear I wish I had bought the Bigger Truck.... Listen to the people that tow... Many wish they had stepped up a notch, but for everyone who admits that they have too little of a truck there are 5 more that will not admit it...They rationalize their decision and many times are towing an unsafe load behind the truck...By More Truck... You will not regret it....
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2018, 06:33:06 AM »
Very rarely do you ever hear that " I have too much Truck.... But you very often hear I wish I had bought the Bigger Truck.... Listen to the people that tow... Many wish they had stepped up a notch, but for everyone who admits that they have too little of a truck there are 5 more that will not admit it...They rationalize their decision and many times are towing an unsafe load behind the truck...By More Truck... You will not regret it....

If you believe you can't have too much truck why aren't we all driving Freightliners or Peterbuilts?
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2018, 07:18:42 AM »
If you believe you can't have too much truck why aren't we all driving Freightliners or Peterbuilts?
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Who ever thought an F-150 would cost $60k?
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2018, 08:46:17 AM »
Truck is Lariat supercrew 4x4.  No kids, no wife so travel light. (travel with light beer too). Its about 12k loaded and about 2500 on the hitch.

My guess is you are overloaded.  Your truck is almost identical to the one I had (2148 lbs payload).  Mine wasn't even a Lariat, which will have less payload than I had with an XLT!  What does the white/yellow on the driver side door post say for payload?
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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2018, 08:54:03 AM »
I can not comment specifically on your setup. but I see far too many trailers with an F-150 under them where an F-350 is called for.

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« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2018, 09:00:24 AM »
I tow a fairly light (8500 lb) fifth wheel with a 2500 (3/4 ton) RAM with 6.7 diesel engine and tow package - 3.73 rear end.

If I was going to tow anything heavier I would want a 3500 RAM with diesel. 

It's not just what it will tow, it's also the pin weight  in the bed, and the ability to STOP and control the trailer on the road.

You CAN buy a diesel RAM without all the fancy shit you don't need for the price of a fancy F-150 EB.  Look around, don't be stuck on one brand, and deal only with FLEET Managers at the dealerships.  The regular salesmen only want to sell what's on the lot.  I've seen some lots where they only had one or two trucks really well set up for towing (wrong rear axles etc.). 

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« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2018, 09:02:49 AM »
I can not comment specifically on your setup. but I see far too many trailers with an F-150 under them where an F-350 is called for.

I've driven an F-350 Custom, Nice truck.

Just drove through Florida this past week and was pretty surprised the amount of 1/2 ton trucks pulling 10K lb + trailers...they were pulling them but it wasn't pretty.  Have a work acquaintance who tows a 38 ft 10K TT with 1500.  He refuses to tow in the mountains...don't condone it but its his choice.

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« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2018, 09:04:32 AM »
Who ever thought an F-150 would cost $60k?

My 2017 F350 dually rang in at just over 70k on the window sticker100k cdn  ( of course i paid way less ) but i never imagined i would spend that sort of money on a truck - an exotic sports car maybe but not a truck, and ive added accessories after the fact, tonnou cover Fuel wheels etc and now i have a truck pymt for 5 yrs - put it out of reach for a lot of people - sad when you think about it
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« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2018, 09:12:49 AM »
Way back when (1999) I had a Dodge Ram, 2500 Cummins Diesel, single cab, Dana 80 rear end, 5 speed standard. The payload was rated at 3900 lbs. I hade a Jake brake installed by Cummins. Our 5th wheel was 37', triple axle, triple slide. Don't know the actual weight but imagine it was around 12k. We fulltimed for 5 years with this setup. Never had any problems. When I would hitch up the truck would not even squat an inch. I really liked the truck. The only problem was back then Dodge did not do a good job with fit and finish. Maybe different story now.
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« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2018, 09:15:50 AM »
My 2017 F350 dually rang in at just over 70k on the window sticker100k cdn  ( of course i paid way less ) but i never imagined i would spend that sort of money on a truck - an exotic sports car maybe but not a truck, and ive added accessories after the fact, tonnou cover Fuel wheels etc and now i have a truck pymt for 5 yrs - put it out of reach for a lot of people - sad when you think about it

Paid $67K for my F250 on a Monday and paid $45K for my 5W that Saturday.  Expensive week but worth it :)

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« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2018, 09:18:02 AM »
My 2017 F350 dually rang in at just over 70k on the window sticker100k cdn  ( of course i paid way less ) but i never imagined i would spend that sort of money on a truck - an exotic sports car maybe but not a truck, and ive added accessories after the fact, tonnou cover Fuel wheels etc and now i have a truck pymt for 5 yrs - put it out of reach for a lot of people - sad when you think about it

Yep. Nobody ever said this was going to be a cheap hobby/lifestyle. When we fulltimed in the late 90,s early 2000's the total for truck and rig was about $55k. Now it seems the same setup will cost about $150k.
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« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2018, 09:21:33 AM »
Paid $67K for my F250 on a Monday and paid $45K for my 5W that Saturday.  Expensive week but worth it :)

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« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2018, 09:43:24 AM »
Paid $67K for my F250 on a Monday and paid $45K for my 5W that Saturday.  Expensive week but worth it :)
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« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2018, 10:43:03 AM »
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How is he overweight? The Trailer GVWR is 12,560 lbs. looks like the max 5th wheel towing capacity is 16,500 and payload is 3400 lbs. 20% of 12,500 is 2512. That would leave him about 900 lbs for people and cargo in the truck.
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« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2018, 12:06:47 PM »
Thanks Old Gator!   ;D

Truck GVWR 10,000
Truck weight 6,100
Hitch is 2,100 ish
Me, Girl, Pitbull 350
Firewood and gear 1,000

Have 450 to spare for beer   

Trailer is 11.5K ish loaded. 

Truck is good and had no issues towing the trailer 200 miles from SC.

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« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2018, 01:08:17 PM »
Thanks Old Gator!   ;D

Truck GVWR 10,000
Truck weight 6,100
Hitch is 2,100 ish
Me, Girl, Pitbull 350
Firewood and gear 1,000

Have 450 to spare for beer   

Trailer is 11.5K ish loaded. 

Truck is good and had no issues towing the trailer 200 miles from SC.

If you've got a F250 Supercrew 4x4 Diesel, your truck weight is way over 6100 lbs.  You are in the neighborhood of 7500 lbs....probably a lot closer to 7800 or 7900 lbs.  As I stated earlier, I had almost the same truck except yours is more loaded than mine was......and I had 2148 lbs of payload.  Go check that sticker I referenced in my earlier post....just be sitting down when you do.
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« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2018, 02:01:14 PM »
Guess I should have said 6,100 ish.  Truck is good.

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« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2018, 02:10:23 PM »
Guess I should have said 6,100 ish.  Truck is good.

So what's the sticker say?
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« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2018, 04:53:08 PM »
How is he overweight? The Trailer GVWR is 12,560 lbs. looks like the max 5th wheel towing capacity is 16,500 and payload is 3400 lbs. 20% of 12,500 is 2512. That would leave him about 900 lbs for people and cargo in the truck.

no way is payload 3400lbs on a F250

Cougar says hitch is 2165 THATS EMPTY and an "average ship weight" bet the actual unit is way higher

Ford brochure says my payload is is 6540 but REAL PAYLOAD as per the door decal is 1300 lbs less than that


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« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2018, 06:09:33 PM »
no way is payload 3400lbs on a F250

Cougar says hitch is 2165 THATS EMPTY and an "average ship weight" bet the actual unit is way higher

Ford brochure says my payload is is 6540 but REAL PAYLOAD as per the door decal is 1300 lbs less than that


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Cougar says trailer GVWR is 12,500 lbs. I took 20% of that and came up with 2500 lb pin weight. Ford says the CCC for his truck is 3400 lbs. if that is correct he will be fine. In any case he is comfortable with his truck and trailer combination. IMHO there are many on this forum that think they are experts when in fact they are just weekend warriors like the rest of us. I have heard numerous folks here say "you can't have too much truck". But when I say why don't we all drive Peterbuilts or Freightliners the response I get is they are too expensive. If he comes back and says he has reevaluated the situation and says he is opting for a bigger truck, then so be it. Until then I am taking his word that he believes it is safe and he is comfortable with the combination. For those that aren't comfortable with his decision maybe you should ask for his itinerary and take an opposite route.
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« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2018, 07:01:29 PM »
Cougar says trailer GVWR is 12,500 lbs. I took 20% of that and came up with 2500 lb pin weight. Ford says the CCC for his truck is 3400 lbs. if that is correct he will be fine. In any case he is comfortable with his truck and trailer combination. IMHO there are many on this forum that think they are experts when in fact they are just weekend warriors like the rest of us. I have heard numerous folks here say "you can't have too much truck". But when I say why don't we all drive Peterbuilts or Freightliners the response I get is they are too expensive. If he comes back and says he has reevaluated the situation and says he is opting for a bigger truck, then so be it. Until then I am taking his word that he believes it is safe and he is comfortable with the combination. For those that aren't comfortable with his decision maybe you should ask for his itinerary and take an opposite route.

That Ford CCC that you are stating (in bold print above), is from some brochure or table....not the actual yellow/white sticker on HIS truck.  If you read all the print in those charts, those are baseline numbers for stripped down models with the bare minimum of equipment.  He has already stated that he has a Lariat, CC, 4x4, Diesel.  As I stated before, my previous truck was identical, except it had LESS stuff on it than his does.....which means I had more payload than he does.....and I only had 2148 lbs.  So, you might see that some of us "experts" as you call them, might know just a thing or two about his situation......especially when we've been there, done that!

My present truck, a 2016 F350 DRW CC, 4x4, King Ranch, Diesel shows 5710 for max. payload or CCC.  My actual sticker on the door post is 5270 lbs.  That's almost a 450 lb difference.  And trust me, it's a LOT more of a difference on his truck. 

We'll see, if and when he posts his actual numbers from the door sticker.  His 2017 isn't going to be much different than my 2011 F250, except like I said.....he's got a Lariat and I had a XLT
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« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2018, 10:31:23 PM »
Good grief...the weight cops hijacked another 1/2 ton thread now attacking another member with a 3/4 ton truck    :(  :-[
 
 

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« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2018, 11:40:21 PM »
Good grief...the weight cops hijacked another 1/2 ton thread now attacking another member with a 3/4 ton truck    :(  :-[


Your missing the point Longhaul - and Old gater just because you drove a tractor trailer for arguments sake a Peterbuilt and you pulled say a lowboy, does that mean you can drag around an 80,000 lb earthmover or 2 20,000 lb rolls of rolled steel? but, NO YOU DRIVE A SEMI YOU CAN DO ANYTHING right ? Of course not, the point is overloaded is NOT safe period. regardless of what you drive or tow. PUBLISHED  numbers are guidlines only

Proffesional drivers are on average better than a weekend warrior and MAY be able to handle an overwieght load better but ignorance is not an excuse for supidity

The so called " weight police " like myself have more than 20 years in the truck and rv business i have built 1000's of commercial trucks from oil field to 50,000 lbs flat decks with 60ft pickers and 100s and 100s of flat decks on 1 ton 3 ton and 5 ton trucks.  i grew up in the rv business  as my father was the plant manager that built Scamper, Skipper and Glendale trailers,i raced bikes professionally for years . So yeah i know something about weights and capabilities


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« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2018, 02:26:57 AM »
Good grief...the weight cops hijacked another 1/2 ton thread now attacking another member with a 3/4 ton truck    :(  :-[

Hijacked????   Attacked????  Are you serious??  The O.P. changed his own mind and bought a 3/4T truck instead of his original thought of buying a 1/2T truck.  Explain how that is "Hijacking"!  And as far as "attacking" another member, is that what you call it when someone is trying to help a person out so that he or she is within the safe towing limits of the vehicle?  You definitely have a "different" way of viewing things if you think that way!  Or maybe you are just one of those that think it's OK to tow in an overloaded condition.....I don't know you personally, so I don't know which of the two possibilities that it is.

The bottom line is that with the truck/trailer combination that he presently has, he is going to be pretty far over his payload capacity on the truck when he places that much pin weight on it....and that's before adding the hitch and whatever else he takes along.  Offering sound advice, in my case, based on personal experience, seems to be what all of us should be doing. 
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« Reply #60 on: January 04, 2018, 10:58:41 AM »
Appreciate all the NASA mathematicians in the forum and concern.  I did the math before dropping $112K. Curb weight of my truck is 6478. Truck is good.

BTW, I owned a F150 (which would have worked with the 1st 5W I orginally bought).  With 1/2 ton towable 5W, you pay more for less.  My choice to get the F250 was because for $5k more of price for 29ft cougar HT, I could get hell of alot more camper which required the F250.  To me, it made more sense and the truck is pretty badass.

Been towing 30 years fellas.  Thanks for the inputs, but not gonna change a thing for me.

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« Reply #61 on: January 04, 2018, 11:54:34 AM »
Appreciate all the NASA mathematicians in the forum and concern.  I did the math before dropping $112K. Curb weight of my truck is 6478. Truck is good.

BTW, I owned a F150 (which would have worked with the 1st 5W I orginally bought).  With 1/2 ton towable 5W, you pay more for less.  My choice to get the F250 was because for $5k more of price for 29ft cougar HT, I could get hell of alot more camper which required the F250.  To me, it made more sense and the truck is pretty badass.

Been towing shit 30 years fellas.  Thanks for the inputs, but not gonna change a thing for me.

Happy travels.

You have obviously NOT weighed your truck and are going by the Ford guide.  Further, the number you posted shows that you looked in the wrong column.  You were looking at the weight for the truck with the gas engine....not the diesel that you have.  Depending on the length of the bed, you ARE around 7300 lbs or 7600 lbs.....but NOT 6478 lbs.  And again....what's the payload number on your actual truck?
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« Reply #62 on: January 04, 2018, 12:29:57 PM »
Appreciate all the NASA mathematicians in the forum and concern.  I did the math before dropping $112K. Curb weight of my truck is 6478. Truck is good.

BTW, I owned a F150 (which would have worked with the 1st 5W I orginally bought).  With 1/2 ton towable 5W, you pay more for less.  My choice to get the F250 was because for $5k more of price for 29ft cougar HT, I could get hell of alot more camper which required the F250.  To me, it made more sense and the truck is pretty badass.

Been towing shit 30 years fellas.  Thanks for the inputs, but not gonna change a thing for me.

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« Reply #63 on: January 04, 2018, 12:55:24 PM »
It sounds like the discussion is getting a bit heated. Please back it down a notch or two, guys.
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It's not heated from my end...just trying to offer some sound advice/info
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I don't think it's heated. My wife and I have heated exchanges. Sometimes we have hallway sex. We pass each other in the hallway and she says screw you and I say screw you.
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I don't think it's heated. My wife and I have heated exchanges. Sometimes we have hallway sex. We pass each other in the hallway and she says screw you and I say screw you.

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Classic case of TMI. ^^^^^^

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2018, 02:32:49 PM »
TMI-Too much intelligence?

If you have to ask......probably not! :)
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #69 on: January 04, 2018, 02:41:24 PM »
At no point did I ask for any ones opinion on my set up.  I really don't give 2 shits about your opinions nor do I want them.  If I did, I would ask for it. 

Been driving tractor trailers, towing campers, boats and explosives for 30+ years.  This site is ok, but the pushy F'ing people ruin it.  This place is worse than facebook. 


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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2018, 05:50:33 PM »
It sounds like the discussion is getting a bit heated. Please back it down a notch or two, guys.

NOW....it's getting heated....


At no point did I ask for any ones opinion on my set up.  I really don't give 2 shits about your opinions nor do I want them.  If I did, I would ask for it. 

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #71 on: January 04, 2018, 07:37:13 PM »
Everyone says it can't be done, 

I have a motorhome.... so I have no dog in this fight.

But I live in an RV park, ... and every once and while I see an out-of-state F150 pulling smaller 5th wheel come in. (and once a hemi half ton Ram )

 Be safe.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #72 on: January 05, 2018, 06:06:04 AM »
(and once a hemi half ton Ram )

 Be safe.

There's a local guy here that pulls a fiver with a half ton Ram. He has air bags, only pulls it locally on flat ground, and takes his time. His tows are less than 15 miles each way. It can be done in the somewhat good situation, but it doesn't make it right. He knows he's overloaded, but can't justify another truck just to pull his camper three or four times a year. Even he will tell he shouldn't be doing what he's doing.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2018, 09:41:02 AM »
you are a truck driver, so you know...as a private vehicle you will never have to go through scales.

Now,  every pickup truck pilot/engineer on here is going to come back and say...... " it puts my family in danger on the roads !!  :o " .

Well, so does speeding.....and there's way more idiots pulling 5ers doing that.

IMO.  that yellow sticker GVW rating has a lot more to do with Tax revenue and warranty issues than it does for "Safety" .

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #74 on: January 05, 2018, 03:23:59 PM »
you are a truck driver, so you know...as a private vehicle you will never have to go through scales.

Now,  every pickup truck pilot/engineer on here is going to come back and say...... " it puts my family in danger on the roads !!  :o " .

Well, so does speeding.....and there's way more idiots pulling 5ers doing that.

IMO.  that yellow sticker GVW rating has a lot more to do with Tax revenue and warranty issues than it does for "Safety" .

I have to agree with Tony. I fulltimed for 5 years and before that we crisscrossed the US every 2-3 years for 24 years and we travel quite a bit now. I saw more unsafe driving from those in cars and on motorcycles than I saw what could be considered overloaded trucks towing RV's. As for folks speeding pulling RV's I also agree. Seen it many times and did it many times. That's how I blew several tires on our 5th wheel. I see many folks tooling down the highway at 80-90 mph towing RV's. I also rarely see accidents these days.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #75 on: January 05, 2018, 05:46:40 PM »
Some people get their undies all bunched up about that "Absoulute GVW Rating" on the yellow sticker.

 So, if you go have your camper weighed and it was 200lbs  O V E R L O A D E D....you should go get a new truck or cancel your vacation ? ?  really ?

DOT used to only ding me at scales if the truck was over 1000lbs over. anything less than that was unimportant to them.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #76 on: January 05, 2018, 06:14:56 PM »
An extra 1000 lbs. on a truck that's regulatory limited to 80,000 lbs is one thing, a good portion of that can be within the scale's accuracy tolerances.  Being 200 lbs. overweight on an axle that's only structurally designed to carry 1200 lbs. is entirely different.

The first is being 1.25% beyond the regulatory limit but most likely not exceeding the design parameters of any components ... heck, states routinely allow the regulatory limits to be exceeded depending on what the truck is carrying or who's driving it.

The second is a 18% overload above and beyond the design parameters in a vehicle most likely piloted by a driver with limited experience handling a heavy load.  Hardly the same thing.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #77 on: January 05, 2018, 06:26:59 PM »
I have to agree with Lou 100% and no nobody cares about 100 lbs or 200lbs but when your an inexperienced road warrior dragging your bumper and the front tires are barely scimming the road because your 1000lbs over or 175% of your ratings its a whole different ball game

1000lbs is very easy to be over- 500lbs with a hitch or pin weight, 100lbs for a hitch 200 on a fith wheel and 3 kids in the truck with 5 bikes in the box and you have a recipe for disaster - i have seen it first hand
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #78 on: January 05, 2018, 06:30:46 PM »
I have to agree with Tony. I fulltimed for 5 years and before that we crisscrossed the US every 2-3 years for 24 years and we travel quite a bit now. I saw more unsafe driving from those in cars and on motorcycles than I saw what could be considered overloaded trucks towing RV's. As for folks speeding pulling RV's I also agree. Seen it many times and did it many times. That's how I blew several tires on our 5th wheel. I see many folks tooling down the highway at 80-90 mph towing RV's. I also rarely see accidents these days.

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #79 on: January 05, 2018, 06:46:13 PM »
"Speeding is how you blew several tires" what you didnt learn after the first few ::)

You would think, huh! I was fueling and a guy with a car hauler was next me. We struck up a conversation and I mentioned I blew a few trailer tires. He asked how fast I was driving and I said about 75 or 80. He said myntruck tires were quite a bit taller than my trailer tires therefor the trailer tires are going faster. He said slow down to 60-65 and you won't blow anymore tires. He was right. I didn't have a computer or cell phone back then so didn't have access to this forum.  :)
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #80 on: January 05, 2018, 06:53:17 PM »
You would think, huh! I was fueling and a guy with a car hauler was next me. We struck up a conversation and I mentioned I blew a few trailer tires. He asked how fast I was driving and I said about 75 or 80. He said myntruck tires were quite a bit taller than my trailer tires therefor the trailer tires are going faster. He said slow down to 60-65 and you won't blow anymore tires. He was right. I didn't have a computer or cell phone back then so didn't have access to this forum.  :)


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« Reply #81 on: January 05, 2018, 08:50:37 PM »
Steve, Lou:

   I've watched a bunch of those Utube dashcam crash videos of overloaded RV's.

 Most of them were going down the highway just fine .... until they went to pass a car.     ;)
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #82 on: January 05, 2018, 09:37:48 PM »
At no point did I ask for any ones opinion on my set up.  I really don't give 2 shits about your opinions nor do I want them.  If I did, I would ask for it. 

Been driving tractor trailers, towing campers, boats and explosives for 30+ years.  This site is ok, but the pushy F'ing people ruin it.  This place is worse than facebook.

 Well said....some members claim they do this or that with a tractor trailer but they have no idea what dot actually says about a private use truck pulling a rv trailer.
  I never drove a tractor /trailer but I have ran LTL for over 11 years using  mostly one ton DRW trucks pulling 15k-22k GN trailers multi state legally.

 Now lets see before the hijack started who was the OP .  Hope he's getting educated   ::)

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #83 on: January 05, 2018, 09:56:52 PM »
Yes... to the original question...

IMO.

 The F150 E/B is a fantastic smaller truck.  It should be fine towing a smaller 5th wheel trailer. Yes, you may have to beef up the suspension a bit.  Yes, the gas mileage may suffer when you are towing,  but it should make up for it the other 90% of the time.

I have seen that same setup several times before....they appeared to be content campers.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #84 on: January 05, 2018, 10:00:19 PM »
Sorry but no - maybe for the guy that drives 20 miles 2 times a year. But if you want to see the great US of A get a real truck to do a real job. I love 1/2 tons have/had a dozen they are awesome but htey are not built designed or meant to pull full time they are grocery getters cowboy style and the occasional sheet of plywood.
Damn need to go buy me another one i miss my old truck now,
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« Reply #85 on: January 05, 2018, 10:04:13 PM »
okay...How do you feel about this ?   :)

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2018, 10:47:14 PM »
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« Reply #87 on: January 06, 2018, 01:02:05 AM »
Guys,

As an old hot rod builder (aka. vehicle abuser) ...I don't believe the manufacture's engineer/attorney agreed upon safe maximum limits,  are anywhere near the actual structural failure limits.

 So many other variables factor into a failure caused by an overload too...Speed, Temp., Age, Hurt time,  etc.


As an old company owned truck driver (aka. truck abuser)...I also believe Tires are your very first and best indicator of a overload. (same variables too  :) )  The commercial truck limits are strictly enforced largely for tax revenue with many strange exemptions.

a truck stopping failure is most likely driver error...not usually an overload issue.  (unless the load got heavier while he was driving)


IMO :)
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #88 on: January 06, 2018, 08:08:20 AM »
I gotta agree with Tony on those points.  However, in defense if the company engineers & lawyers, I also have to say that owners & drivers do some really bizarre things with their vehicles, forcing the manufacturer to be really conservative in ratings.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #89 on: January 06, 2018, 09:27:39 AM »
I too agree that the limits are set low - but for good reason people will push those limits to an extreme, me being one of them for the better part of my life and i have the scars to prove it.

The issue becomes when they endanger other people because of simple ignorance - we laughed one day as a ram 1500 lost his rear bumper going over a speed bump in a campground he has a 34 ft plus trailer 3 kids and 5 bikes.
I didnt laugh when we saw 2 trailers in the ditch within 2 minutes of each other both being pulled by 1/2 tons both 30 plus feet

I can go on and on we do a 5000 mile road trip every year in the summer and ive seen stuff, i think is my duty to explain why someone for the sake of $1000 should buy a 3500 over a 2500

I also think incouraging people to ignore those labels is irresponsible behavior

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« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2018, 01:57:36 PM »
Steve...you are absolutely right.   Labels are very important for people today.

Here is one I propose should be on every RV.... ;)
 

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #91 on: January 06, 2018, 02:02:58 PM »
Steve...you are absolutely right.   Labels are very important for people today.

Here is one I propose should be on every RV.... ;)


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« Reply #92 on: January 06, 2018, 02:14:08 PM »
Steve...you are absolutely right.   Labels are very important for people today.

Here is one I propose should be on every RV.... ;)

That label should be on all products.
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #93 on: January 06, 2018, 03:40:41 PM »
I occasionally tow my bobcat on a 16’ trailer.  It is how I get it to the dealer for service. My hemi Ram 1500 pulls it just fine but I know I am about 3000 lbs over what the truck is rated for.
Stopping it is another matter. I need lots of room for stopping.  I don’t even want to think what might happen if I needed to do emergency maneuvers. So, I take the back roads and keep the speed way down and leave lots of room in front.

Can I pull it? Yup. Stopping is where it tells me I am way overloaded.

Oh, I have a utility trailer I tow which is just a bit under the truck rating. It feels plenty safe.

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« Reply #94 on: January 06, 2018, 04:07:38 PM »
Next time,  you might have them also service the brakes on that 16' trailer.

There should be a sticker about that somewhere on it ...( ::) )
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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #95 on: January 07, 2018, 03:32:03 PM »
Hi all - I've just retired and am considering buying an UltraLite 5th wheel so I can pull it with a half ton pickup.  Am very interested in the Ford F150 with the 3.5L 6 cylinder turbocharged EcoTech engine.  Does anyone have any experience with this engine?  Any comments, complaints, or suggestions would be extremely welcome!

We towed our 26.5ft travel trailer for a 3 years with a 2007 F150 probably about 8-10,000 miles. For the most part it had enough power but more would have been better. Power was not the reason that I replaced it with an F250. The F150 brakes, transmission, axles, differential, u-joints, radiator, chassis, tires, and I'm sure that I've missed some, are all less heavy duty than the F250. I was always worried that my transmission would fail as it did overheat more then a few times. Other possible failures were always on my mind when traveling. The F250 has a much more planted and solid feel to it. My first tow was from Gold Canyon, AZ to Anacortes, WA. in October of 2017. It was a night and day difference. It towed so well that on our return trip home we stayed off of the major roads and enjoyed a much more scenic and relaxing tour home. When I bought my 2017 F250 diesel I could have bought a 2017 F250 with the big gas engine for about what a nice F150 was selling for. The dealership couldn't give the gassers away. My advice would be to go F250 either gas or diesel.

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #96 on: January 07, 2018, 08:32:04 PM »
Next time,  you might have them also service the brakes on that 16' trailer.

There should be a sticker about that somewhere on it ...( ::) )

Brakes and wheel bearings are pretty new. Trailer is in tip top shape.

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #97 on: January 07, 2018, 09:46:38 PM »
something may be wrong with the adjustment,

 The brakes on that flatbed (likely a surge brake) should be very helpful stopping the trailer.. especially with a heavy load like a Bob Cat.   A trailer surge brake system typically only works great on a fully loaded trailer.  If they are adjusted too much they will lock up the wheels at low speeds.

It's been my experience... Trucks towing surge brake trailers typically stop far worse with an empty trailer.

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #98 on: January 08, 2018, 01:12:26 PM »
something may be wrong with the adjustment,

 The brakes on that flatbed (likely a surge brake) should be very helpful stopping the trailer.. especially with a heavy load like a Bob Cat.   A trailer surge brake system typically only works great on a fully loaded trailer.  If they are adjusted too much they will lock up the wheels at low speeds.

It's been my experience... Trucks towing surge brake trailers typically stop far worse with an empty trailer.

Electric brakes. I can adjust the controller to lock em up at low speed.

The issue is that the ratio of trailer weight to truck doesn’t feel good for a truck that light.

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Re: Need advice on Ford F150
« Reply #99 on: January 08, 2018, 05:08:29 PM »
then fully loaded at lower speeds... it should stop the truck when you hit the trailer brake.

the trailer to truck weight ratio is way off on tractor trailer rigs.

In fact, with properly setup brakes and controller you should be able to safely tow that trailer ( move the Bob Cat back to the perfect point) with a Craftsman riding lawnmower in low gear.  ;D
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