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Sticker shock on new phones
« on: December 23, 2017, 07:43:08 PM »
I'm several generations behind with my cell phone. Wandering through Costco a few days ago, I looked in at the cellular booth where we normally buy our phones. $800+ to buy a new Samsung S8 phone  :o   Cheaper than iPhone updates, but too  rich for me. I do little beyond phone calls and text on my S4, so my current phone will be fine for some years to come. Hopefully, Samsung doesn't go through the same "iPhone slowdown on old phones" that Apple users have recently experienced.

Chris hasn't (yet) complained of a slowdown on her iPhone.
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2017, 07:51:22 PM »
"iPhone slowdown on old phones" that Apple users have recently experienced.

Chris hasn't (yet) complained of a slowdown on her iPhone.


I have an iPhone 6, not that old even by technology standards. iOS 11 dramatically slowed my phone. I can understand why these little handheld computers canít cope with a new update after theyíre several years old, but my phone is only about 18 months old. There is no doubt in my mind that Apple includes code to slow phones older than 1-2 generations.


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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2017, 08:07:30 PM »
Apple slowed the older phones to avoid overstressing the battery?  That's about the lamest excuse I ever heard.

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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2017, 08:31:30 PM »
A great Samsung alternative is the S7 Edge. I have noticed they are drying up as people snap them up in lieu of the S8.

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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 09:44:14 PM »
Got S8 at Best buy for $724. Unlocked version with free wireless charger.
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 10:21:57 PM »
I don't buy in (literally) to the new phone hype. I have a lower model Samsung that cost less than $200 and I'll probably use it for 4 or 5 years. To me its a waste of money to spend any more on a phone.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2017, 11:21:45 PM »
We may be forced into it soon. Diane's phone is failing a little at a time Galaxy S5, and my Note 4 in not far behind. I  have no desire to upgrade, but the electronics are showing their age. I briefly considered Amazon's deal of the LG6 half off if you let them put ads on the front lock screen. I don't have a big issue with the ads as I don't pay much attention to the lock screen anyway, but some comments on the LG6 indicated that the customer support from LG was not good.
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2017, 03:23:10 AM »
There was a time when I was an early adopter (of technology), but those days are long gone. I stuck with a dumb phone for many years, and used an iPod for a few apps. I didn't switch to a smart phone until  approx 7 years ago. I've watched folks use their phones for so many things, but I fail to be productive with such a small screen and lack of a physical keyboard. I'm only marginally more productive with a 10" tablet, partly because I don't haul the wireless keyboard around. So the tablet is primarily a consumption device for me.

Interestingly, 20 +/- years ago I recall a colleague being interviewed at his desk by an Apple employee researching consumer needs. The colleague proceeded to put a number of devices on his desk , including cell phone, pager, mp3 player, digital voice recorder, etc and asked "why can't I get all this stuff in one device instead of having to haul all these gadgets around? Did he get his wish and lots more?
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2017, 04:05:53 AM »
I don't buy in (literally) to the new phone hype. I have a lower model Samsung that cost less than $200 and I'll probably use it for 4 or 5 years. To me its a waste of money to spend any more on a phone.
I buy into the new phone hype. I just bought a new Pixel 2XL for just under a grand and worth every penny. I can't wait till next year when they replace it with something better and I can upgrade again. I upgrade every year because the camera keeps getting so much better every year. Check out the detail in the photo of Tarzan taken with the Pixel. The detail is absolutely amazing and makes the phone worth the money for me.
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2017, 04:18:42 AM »
Understood Tom, and I almost mentioned your camera use as an example of why some folks would stay on the upgrade train. But the cameras would be wasted on me. I rarely take photos with a phone and, when I do, I wish I hadn't  :-[
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2017, 05:11:20 AM »
Check out the detail in the photo of Tarzan taken with the Pixel.


Amazing.


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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2017, 06:08:28 AM »
Don't waste your money on a Moto Z. DW and I have them. Mine does ok, but I like my old Samsung better. DW's is a piece of junk, and she keeps getting told it's the updates. She shows them my phone with the same update and asked them why mine doesn't have the same problems. No answer, and no decent support.
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2017, 06:11:59 AM »
I would be scared to leave the house with it. ;D Sarge, I strongly suggest staying away from LG products after my experience with two tv's and a fridge. Customer support is non existent. My iphone 5 still does everything I need but I notice it getting slower at times.
We had to replace Karen's old flip phone in 2016 when Telus 'upgraded' the system and it would no longer work. Great way to sell phones. ::) It went missing in the hospital, probably went through the laundry, so I got her another one. Now I have a brand new hardly used phone I have no need for.

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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2017, 06:58:05 AM »
My Samsung Galaxy S4 recently crapped out on me - I also could not believe the price to replace.  The Galaxy was a great phone (until it stopped charging) so I was torn between the new S8 and Pixel.  I went with the Pixel and love it. It is my map, camera, phone, and road trip research assistant so the price must be paid....

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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2017, 07:07:29 AM »
If all you want is a PHONE, and do not need "Smart" Functions like hot spotting, web browsing and apps. Find out which 'Pay an go" (Burner phones) are supported by YOUR carrier.

I one replaced a damaged phone for $15.00 by buying a Burner Phone that used a sim card, same Sim as my damaged phond.. And moved the SIM to the new phone.  No other changes needed.

NOT ALL PHONES HAVE A REMOVABLE SIM (Subscriber Identity Module) Now daysm Some it is hard wired in.
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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2017, 07:19:50 AM »
My LG "Ultimate 2" phone does everything I want it to do. The 4.5" screen makes it easy to hold and view, and it has two cameras, the rear with flash. I have apps for GPS, satellite dish aiming, synchronized e-reader, synchronized browser, IMAP email, synchronized calendar, weather w/alerts, TV watching, compass, all sorts of measuring/conversion tools, VOIP phone service, tracking, and a bunch more. Oh, and it makes phone calls too! All for less than $100...
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2017, 08:12:06 AM »
I finally broke my S4 Active and decided it was time to bite the bullet and upgrade.  Went into the ATT store and the girl mentioned I have insurance, so why not make a claim.  I did so, and for $100 deductible they sent me an S7 Active.  Cheap upgrade, and no increase in the monthly bill.
My wife upgraded to the S8 and doesn't like it at all.  She hates the full screen and has already broken 2 of the glass screen protectors.  They do the job, though, the phone itself is still fine.
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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2017, 08:32:28 AM »
You probably don't need a flagship phone for your usage.   There are some really nice mid-range smart phones available now, and this years mid-range would have been a high end product a year or tow back.

The new Moto X4 is getting excellent reviews and sells for around $399. https://www.cnet.com/products/motorola-moto-x4/review/

If you want to stay comfortable with the Samsung ecosystem, take a look at their mid-range A7 model,  about $375.
https://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-galaxy-a7-2017/review/

My own strategy is to buy last years flagship model and save a couple hundred that way. I currently have an S6 Edge and will be looking for an S7 soon, probably when the forthcoming S9 arrives.  The S8 may be a contender than as well.

The cameras in the newer models have improved so much vs the S4 that you may find you start using them.
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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2017, 08:58:09 AM »
What pushed me into the last upgrade is some of the apps I use needed a newer operating system.  If it ain't the battery hoax, they get you with obsoleting the software.

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But the cameras would be wasted on me. I rarely take photos with a phone and, when I do, I wish I hadn't  :-[

I'm not quite that bad, but I have trouble holding them steady, they don't have a viewfinder, and the zoom leaves a lot to be desired, in spite of how good they look and how well they do for some folks. So I use my Nikon for most things, with a Canon SD780 IS as something more portable -- shirt pocket size, real zoom (3X) and a viewfinder -- that takes good pictures.
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2017, 09:20:44 AM »
I had my iPhone 6 for almost 3 years when the battery control system started screwing up. It would randomly power off showing no battery, I would plug it in and restart it, only to have it show 50% power! I just got an iPhone 8 Plus that I like. Bigger screen for when I use the apps and lots of memory to keep my music. They keep advertising better cameras, but I only use the phone camera for quick snapshots so I really donít care about that. I got the phone with a significant rebate which made it not so painful.
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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2017, 09:23:44 AM »
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... have trouble holding them steady, they don't have a viewfinder, and the zoom leaves a lot to be desired


Those are all big issues for me Larry. My hat is off to Tom S for the results he's able to achieve.
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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2017, 09:34:26 AM »

Those are all big issues for me Larry. My hat is off to Tom S for the results he's able to achieve.
It is not me, it is the Pixel 2. Almost impossible to get a bad shot with it.
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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2017, 09:54:51 AM »
It is not me, it is the Pixel 2. Almost impossible to get a bad shot with it.

To the first part.. yeah, a lot of it is you Tom. No need to tell you that there's a lot more to a good/great pic than just tripping the shutter, and your pics prove that. :)
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« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2017, 09:57:49 AM »
Its funny, no one mentioned the year end deals VZW and ATT usually offer.  Both DW and I got new phones with a 50% discount last year. 

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« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2017, 10:05:18 AM »
I've been reading up on the Pixel2 XL.  Amazing the technology they are building into these new cameras.  Got one coming from Verizon, next week.
Tom, did you happen to get the add-on lens for the Pixel?  Just wondering if they are worth the bother.
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« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2017, 10:08:57 AM »
Tom, does the Pixel 2 have really good stabilization?
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« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2017, 10:33:53 AM »
I've been reading up on the Pixel2 XL.  Amazing the technology they are building into these new cameras.  Got one coming from Verizon, next week.
Tom, did you happen to get the add-on lens for the Pixel?  Just wondering if they are worth the bother.
I don't know anything about an add on lens. And if I did I would not buy one or use one. They degrade the image too much for me.
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« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2017, 10:38:13 AM »
Tom, does the Pixel 2 have really good stabilization?
No, it has exceptional stabilization. Both optical and digital stabilization are included and video uses both at once. Check out this video that I shot hand held:

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« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2017, 11:57:18 AM »
Ah yes, I recall you posted that link previously.
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« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2017, 01:37:23 PM »
I would be scared to leave the house with it. ;D Sarge, I strongly suggest staying away from LG products after my experience with two tv's and a fridge. Customer support is non existent. My iphone 5 still does everything I need but I notice it getting slower at times.
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I have had the same BAD experience with LG prodjunks. I had a DVD recorder go bad (found thousands of people who had the same problem as mine on the net), a fridge kept going out, and a TV that went bad just after a year. LG customer support is the worse I have ever had. Some people have had a good experience, but I have talked to others who have had troubles as well.
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« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2017, 03:15:53 PM »

Iím worried enough carrying a $600 phone. Paying $1000+ would virtually guarantee Iíd lose or drop it

That's why I pay Verizon for "device protection."  IMHO it's worth a few dollars a month to know that I'm covered pretty much regardless of what happens to it.

As for all the talk about paying such high prices for these phone, am I the only one who chooses to pay them out on a monthly basis?  Both my wife and I have S7's that are being purchased through Verizon.  The contract and purchase prices are the same--there are no interest charges.  And I plan on having Verizon as a carrier anyway, so I don't see the 2-year commitment as a big deal.  When my S7 is paid for in March I'll probably trade it in on an S9. JMO

As for cameras, I love the improved cameras on all the newer phone, but I'm enough of a dinosaur that I won't give up my DSLR.  My Xmas gift to myself this year is an 18-400mm zoom to replace my 18-270mm.  That's an amazing 22:1 ratio.  I can't wait to getting some wildlife closeups.  I like using my phone's camera because it's always with me, but I really like the photos I can take with the "big camera!"
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« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2017, 03:32:25 PM »
am I the only one who chooses to pay them out on a monthly basis? 


Nope, I did the same. Made sense since there was no ďfinance chargeĒ. But I still payed for it.


The device protection is a good idea considering the cost of these things.
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« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2017, 03:51:25 PM »
Hmmm ... I'm rocking an Alcatel Onetouch Pixi Glory LTE smartphone I bought from Walmart's StraightTalk for $35 a couple of years ago.  You can buy refill cards at Wal-mart or auto-bill to a credit card, which is what I chose.  I'm paying $34 a month for unlimited nationwide calling and texts, and 4GB a month of 4G data.  No surcharge after 4GB, the data just slows to a crawl (or so I'm told, as I haven't hit that yet).

Android Lollipop, 5.5" touchscreen and a so-so 5MP camera.  It was short on memory when I got it, so I added a 32GB micro flash card and it's fine now.  It's a GSM phone with service through TracFone.  For phones purchased in Pahrump, the primary carrier is T-Mobile with fallback to AT&T, and I've had pretty good coverage wherever I've traveled.  I'll probably replace it with another phone when I go through Livingston, TX this summer.  I'm told StraightTalk provides Verizon/Sprint CDMA phones there.
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« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2017, 04:16:22 PM »

The device protection is a good idea considering the cost of these things.

In addition to device protection both of us have our phone in OtterBox cases with Zagg tempered glass screen protectors.  No way this klutz (me) can carry such an expensive device around without additional protection!   8)  Over the past couple of years my screen has been saved several times by the Zagg screen protector.
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« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2017, 05:22:45 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2017, 06:10:12 PM »
Hi Terry. I hadn't thought of a refurbished phone.
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« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2017, 12:07:17 AM »
Diane's phone, a Galaxy S5 is on it's last legs. I have toyed with the idea of jumping to T-mobile for the phone carrier. They have some smokin deals, especially if I jump on my son's plan since he has multiple lines already.  Verizon is just costing a bunch of money for two phones and a hotspot SIM card.
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« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2017, 07:45:12 AM »
Hmmm ... I'm rocking an Alcatel Onetouch Pixi Glory LTE smartphone I bought from Walmart's StraightTalk for $35 a couple of years ago.  You can buy refill cards at Wal-mart or auto-bill to a credit card, which is what I chose.  I'm paying $34 a month for unlimited nationwide calling and texts, and 4GB a month of 4G data.  No surcharge after 4GB, the data just slows to a crawl (or so I'm told, as I haven't hit that yet).

Android Lollipop, 5.5" touchscreen and a so-so 5MP camera.  It was short on memory when I got it, so I added a 32GB micro flash card and it's fine now.  It's a GSM phone with service through TracFone.  For phones purchased in Pahrump, the primary carrier is T-Mobile with fallback to AT&T, and I've had pretty good coverage wherever I've traveled.  I'll probably replace it with another phone when I go through Livingston, TX this summer.  I'm told StraightTalk provides Verizon/Sprint CDMA phones there.

Lou, if you buy your Tracfone or Straight Talk phone online, you can get the carrier you want no matter where you are. None of the Tracfone brands have used Sprint in quite awhile, although Verizon may still be using their towers in some areas under a roaming agreement. Our Tracfone/Verizon phones have worked everywhere we've been so far, although our Max Amp RV "whole RV" cell booster may be responsible for some of that. We do have an AT&T hotspot we use for VOIP service if needed though.
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« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2017, 07:59:11 AM »
The image stabilization on my Galaxy S6 Edge works excellently, and the later models supposedly improve it further. It's 14 megapixel at the rear and 5 MP front, so the resolution is darn good as well.

You can get certified & warranteed re-furbs for around $200-$225 and there are even a few new ones available at about $299. Ebay, Amazon, etc.
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« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2017, 08:45:42 AM »
I just picked up a couple of Moto G5 Plus phones at Costco for $169 each. They are replacing Galaxy S5s. I haven't set up my wife's, yet, but mine is a huge improvement. I have only had it for a few days, so the jury is still out, but unless it does something stupid, I don't think I'll be spending that kind of money for a phone. I switched from Verizon to Straight Talk (Verizon) at the same time. I may switch to another prepaid Verizon carrier before I'm done.

If I amortize the cost of the phone over the next year, I am saving money, have more data, and have new phones.
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« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2017, 10:11:22 AM »
It's 14 megapixel at the rear and 5 MP front, so the resolution is darn good as well.


I don't want to be a spoil sport, but as someone who once earned a Ph.D. in physics with a specialty in optics, I can assure you that the cameras in virtually all phones already have more pixels than matter.  It's a complicated topic, but suffice it to say that if all you are doing is posting photos on Facebook you're never going to use the capabilities of all the pixels you have.  In fact, a ~6MP camera is all that is necessary for that task.

There are several factors that come into play when calculating the resolution of a digital camera and pixel count is definitely one of them.  But, not to be overlooked, is the size of the lens itself. The tiny lenses on phone cameras cannot fully utilize all those extra pixels because they are "diffraction limited" which, simply, means that the light can't be focused accurately enough through the small lens to focus effectively on each of the tiny pixels.  A larger lens, such as what you would find in a DSLR, focusing on a larger pixel array can do a better job.

None of this is all that important if you don't ever print or crop your photos.  But if you do trying cropping them you will find that the ones from a phone camera become fuzzy when the cropped image is very small compared to the full photo.  With a larger lens a much smaller piece of the photo can be cropped out and still be usable. 

This is probably more than most of you wanted to know about image resolution, but I thought there might be a few folks who wondered why anyone would still buy a "big, old camera" when phone cameras are so good.

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« Reply #42 on: December 25, 2017, 10:55:44 AM »
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« Reply #43 on: December 25, 2017, 01:51:27 PM »
I have a similar case by Aduro for my S4. Not quite as rubbery as my prior case, but works/protects OK.
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« Reply #44 on: December 25, 2017, 06:02:34 PM »
I don't want to be a spoil sport, but as someone who once earned a Ph.D. in physics with a specialty in optics, I can assure you that the cameras in virtually all phones already have more pixels than matter.  It's a complicated topic, but suffice it to say that if all you are doing is posting photos on Facebook you're never going to use the capabilities of all the pixels you have.  In fact, a ~6MP camera is all that is necessary for that task.

There are several factors that come into play when calculating the resolution of a digital camera and pixel count is definitely one of them.  But, not to be overlooked, is the size of the lens itself. The tiny lenses on phone cameras cannot fully utilize all those extra pixels because they are "diffraction limited" which, simply, means that the light can't be focused accurately enough through the small lens to focus effectively on each of the tiny pixels.  A larger lens, such as what you would find in a DSLR, focusing on a larger pixel array can do a better job.

None of this is all that important if you don't ever print or crop your photos.  But if you do trying cropping them you will find that the ones from a phone camera become fuzzy when the cropped image is very small compared to the full photo.  With a larger lens a much smaller piece of the photo can be cropped out and still be usable. 

This is probably more than most of you wanted to know about image resolution, but I thought there might be a few folks who wondered why anyone would still buy a "big, old camera" when phone cameras are so good.

Obviously, I have far too much time on my hands on Christmas morning!  ;D Merry Christmas to all!
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« Reply #45 on: December 25, 2017, 06:10:14 PM »
I'm not quite that bad, but I have trouble holding them steady, they don't have a viewfinder, and the zoom leaves a lot to be desired

or it takes 36 pictures for you ... can't see much to frame a picture in bright daylight.  I couldn't begin to get airshow shots like attached with a phone camera ... might work for you, but not me.

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« Reply #46 on: December 25, 2017, 06:11:18 PM »
It all comes down to optics, doesnít it? This is the reason I take snapshots with my phone and photographs with my camera.

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« Reply #47 on: December 25, 2017, 06:49:05 PM »
or it takes 36 pictures for you ... can't see much to frame a picture in bright daylight.  I couldn't begin to get airshow shots like attached with a phone camera ... might work for you, but not me.


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« Reply #48 on: December 25, 2017, 08:50:23 PM »
Gorgeous shots, Howard! That defines part of the reason that cameras in a pocket computer (erroneously known as a phone) are inadequate for so much that I shoot -- closeups are only a little part of the (excuse me) picture.
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« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2017, 10:30:13 AM »
Understand that more megapixels is not inherently better, but more pixels are useful when using the digital zoom function.  I also view photos later (sometimes years later!) on a big screen and the extra pixels have value there as well. Still, I find 6MP-8MP fine for most things and my phone is normally set at 8MP.

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« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2017, 07:05:11 AM »
Getting back to the original intent,,, maybe we will see some downward movement in the price of phones with the sluggish sales of the new iPhone X.  My rich brother bought one a month ago, and he has close to $1500 in the whole deal,,,,YIKES !!!!!
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« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2017, 07:12:49 AM »
I have yet to see a good description of what those high dollar phones do that's worth the selling price.
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« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2017, 08:23:52 AM »
I have yet to see a good description of what those high dollar phones do that's worth the selling price.
The camera alone makes them worth the price. Free online unlimited photo storage is worth a lot of money.
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« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2017, 09:20:05 AM »
The camera alone makes them worth the price. Free online unlimited photo storage is worth a lot of money.

No offense intended but, if you haven't noticed, online storage has become a lot less expensive lately.  For example, for $10/mo I get 5 subscriptions to Microsoft Office 365 and each subscription comes with its own 1TB of cloud storage. I have many hundreds of photos in my cloud and don't have anywhere near a TB. I'm sure there are other similar deals, this is just one I'm familiar with.
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« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2017, 10:11:05 AM »
The camera alone makes them worth the price. Free online unlimited photo storage is worth a lot of money.

To some people it does. But you can buy a decent camera plus a lower end "phone" for less. And some of us rarely use the camera in our "phone."  And are you saying that you get all the online storage you can use included with the cost of the "phone?" That doesn't much matter to someone such as me -- I don't use (or trust) online storage.
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« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2017, 10:48:55 AM »
I'm several generations behind with my cell phone. Wandering through Costco a few days ago, I looked in at the cellular booth where we normally buy our phones. $800+ to buy a new Samsung S8 phone  :o   Cheaper than iPhone updates, but too  rich for me. I do little beyond phone calls and text on my S4, so my current phone will be fine for some years to come. Hopefully, Samsung doesn't go through the same "iPhone slowdown on old phones" that Apple users have recently experienced.

Chris hasn't (yet) complained of a slowdown on her iPhone.

Hi - there have been recent postings that the Apple slowdown on older phones is really due to worn out batteries.  A relatively inexpensive battery replacement solves that problem.  The gist of is that batteries eventually wear out and need to be replaced.

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« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2017, 12:02:24 PM »
And are you saying that you get all the online storage you can use included with the cost of the "phone?"
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« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2017, 12:52:50 PM »
I agree, these new offerings are quite expensive and for my use, way over blown.  My wife an I are still using our Iphone 6Plus's and while working, are also victims of this ridiculous Iphone older generation slow down.  I agree with Lou, Apple's reasoning is baloney, quite simply as with so many products these days it is planned obsolescence to fuel un-abandoned consumerism.  When I finally do replace my phone, I am done with Apple, instead will likely be a mid range phone, brand undetermined right now.  I only use a phone for calls, occasional text messages, a few helpful apps and an occasional photo to record for memory recall or to send quickly off to someone.  As a professional photographer with access to high quality gear, I have little use for smart phone cameras other than the use I previously mentioned.
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« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2017, 12:57:57 PM »
Hi - there have been recent postings that the Apple slowdown on older phones is really due to worn out batteries.  A relatively inexpensive battery replacement solves that problem.  The gist of is that batteries eventually wear out and need to be replaced.

Isn't it curious that a simple battery replacement solves the speed problem, but a simple battery replacement is complicated by the 'feature' of not making batteries user replaceable?

Here's the thing. Remember when a decent laptop cost thousands of dollars? Have you looked at the price of laptops lately? I would have trouble spending the same money I spent 5 years ago unless I wanted some super whiz bang technology that wasn't mainstream. Not so with smart phones. In 2007, the original iPhone retailed for $499 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(1st_generation)). The latest, the iPhone X is $999. So...while inflation may have affected the price ($499 in 2007 translates to about $597 in today's dollars(https://www.saving.org/inflation/inflation.php?amount=499&year=2007)), the iPhone has actually experienced a price increase of more than 67%. My opinion is that this is the result of a single-source of a product. Why compete when there is no competition? Is it possible this is why the sales of iPhones is not as high as Apple forecasted https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/12/26/downbeat-iphone-x-sales-projections-hobble-apple-shares/981351001/?

Samsung is trying the same thing with their Galaxy S line of flagship phones. I haven't been able to find out what the original Galaxy S cost, but the new one lists for about $720. I bought a Galaxy Note II in 2012 for $645. The new Note 8 lists for $1,000, which is around a 45% increase in cost when calculating it using today's dollars. I will assume that the regular Galaxy S price difference is somewhere in the neighborhood. For someone who wants the latest from Samsung, this is the price they are going to pay. But again, here's the thing. Everyone and their brother is making phones with the Android OS. There's a lot more competition and there's a lot of innovation from all places.

My previous phone, until last week, was a Galaxy S5 that originally cost about $600. It was a great phone and I used it for more than 3 years and 3 batteries, which were pretty inexpensive to replace. It was great, but slow, until the screen started to fail. I seriously thought about replacing it with an S8 when Best Buy was selling them for about $375, but I couldn't see being locked into a single carrier for the next couple of years. When wandering around Costco last week, I saw the Moto G5 Plus for $169. It still has a headphone jack and an SD card slot, but the battery is no longer user replaceable. The new phones we got are far superior to our Galaxy S5s, but they are rated as 'economy' or 'budget' phones. 

Among the other changes I made, I switched from a Verizon plan for 2 phones and 4 GB of data (pooled) for about $90 (plus all the gimmes and gotchas) to a prepaid phone plan that uses Verizon towers for two phones and 15GB of data (pooled) for about $60 (without any gimmes or gotchas). If I amortize the cost of 2 new phones over a year, the cost is about $28 per month. Added to the cost of the phone plan, I am still saving a few bucks a month, got new phones, and got more data with the same dependable service I had. Next year, we can either get new phones or save money.

The point of this post is that as most technologies mature, their costs drop. Up until recently, this hadn't happened with mobile phone service, but we're beginning to see this change. Smart phones are not following this path, at the moment, but I think we're beginning to see it happen. I know it is for me!

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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2017, 01:19:24 PM »
The camera alone makes them worth the price. Free online unlimited photo storage is worth a lot of money.

I have a 20 MP camera that cost less than most high end phones and has a lot more camera features. And huge online data storage is readily available for free. MEGA for example, has 50 GB for free. Need more space? Multiple accounts are easy to do, or 360 Security Cloud offers 10 TB or so if you don't mind that it's Chinese based. And Amazon Prime members get unlimited photo storage at no additional charge. The only cloud storage I trust with more sensitive data than my photos though, is the NextCloud server I installed on my hosted web server. MEGA and NextCloud both use end-to-end data encryption for privacy and security.
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« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2017, 01:38:40 PM »
My phone has a 22 megapixel camera, but it certainly doesn't have a lot of features. Low light is pathetic.
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« Reply #62 on: December 28, 2017, 01:48:35 PM »
To each his own...one of the wonderful things about living in the USA. My neighbor leases a new car every 3 years while I still drive around in the same old 9-year old POS. They both get us to work & back but his sure will do it in a lot more style and with a lot more creature comforts!
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« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2018, 12:57:37 AM »
Good thing there aren't a lot of Apple users here.
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« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2018, 04:36:57 AM »
I got my Samsung S7 last May for $470, unbranded and unlocked from B&H Photo Video, no tax either.

They have some cheap Samsung variants in stock (and probably others I only looked for those). I have used this company several times and they are very good. Customer service responsive too.


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« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2018, 05:15:22 AM »
Good thing there aren't a lot of Apple users here.
87% of phones sold in the world are Android.

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« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2018, 10:28:49 AM »
Apple has done a fairly good job of promoting Andriid. First they do as Texas Insturments did with home comptuers.  You must license apps with Apple.. Closed operating system  V/s Open and you develop it we will distribuit it (if it passes security scan that is)>

Then they did the "Slow down" bit on older phones.. Claiming it was to extend non-replacable by user battery life.. My Android.. Well I can remove the battery and replace it, Tools needed asre FINGERS and Fingernails (or any flat tool, Kitchen knife, Key, screwdriver, but normally just fingernails) takes less than a minute and that includes getting it out of it's Otter Case.

And then therte ids PRICE!!!!

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« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2018, 11:16:41 AM »
Apple has a closed ecosystem, extremely high prices, $300 billion in offshore accounts, horrible customer service and yet their customers line up for days to buy their massively overpriced iPhones. I can't figure it out. I used both an iPhone 4s and a 6 and they both sucked.
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« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2018, 11:52:21 AM »
Apple has a closed ecosystem, extremely high prices, $300 billion in offshore accounts, horrible customer service and yet their customers line up for days to buy their massively overpriced iPhones.

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« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2018, 12:25:40 PM »
An iPhone isn't a product, it's a lifestyle! It's a cult!  ;D
It's a disease, a sickness. :o
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« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2018, 08:10:01 PM »
An iPhone isn't a product, it's a lifestyle! It's a cult!  ;D

It's a disease, a sickness. :o

It's both.  I have a similar one. It's called "RVing"
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« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2018, 08:35:17 PM »
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« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2018, 10:12:43 PM »
If you are a senior look into the T Mobile senior plan.  Unlimited data and phone at 4G speeds for $35 a month per line.

Although T-Mobile is, indeed, a good buy I believe that the senior plan you are citing doesn't include 4G/LTE hotspot capability.  The standard plans permit unlimited 3G hotpots.  4G hotspot use is an extra cost option.
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #73 on: January 23, 2018, 03:58:48 AM »
MetroPCS has a free hot spot option and it is only $30 per month for one gig.
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #74 on: January 23, 2018, 05:52:59 AM »
As far as I can see, the only thing Apple has over Android is the Itunes app.  I liked that I was able to change the music on my phone with just a couple of buttons instead of having to pick out 100 tracks, one at a time.
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #75 on: January 23, 2018, 06:26:27 AM »
As far as I can see, the only thing Apple has over Android is the Itunes app.  I liked that I was able to change the music on my phone with just a couple of buttons instead of having to pick out 100 tracks, one at a time.
iTunes is the thing that I hated the most about Apple. One of the worst pieces of software ever written. They may have improved it by now since that was ten years ago I was using it. The worst thing about iTunes is trying to get rid of it once you try and leave the Apple system. They simply do not want you to leave so they make it as impossible as can be to make you stay there. Selling an iPhone was a royal pain for me.
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #76 on: January 23, 2018, 07:22:28 AM »
MetroPCS has a free hot spot option and it is only $30 per month for one gig.
You can get the hotspot turned on with Consumer Cellular (I'm using it right now) at no extra cost ($30/mo for 3GB of LTE, AT&T network, no contract), and much better coverage than when I briefly had T-Mobile a few years ago.
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #77 on: January 23, 2018, 06:33:34 PM »
You can get the hotspot turned on with Consumer Cellular (I'm using it right now) at no extra cost ($30/mo for 3GB of LTE, AT&T network, no contract), and much better coverage than when I briefly had T-Mobile a few years ago.

With all due respect, 3GB is less than 2 days worth at our current usage rate.  Even without streaming video we use >10 GB/mo for two laptops, two smartphones and an iPad.
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2018, 08:50:13 PM »
I was seriously considering a new phone, as battery life on my iPhone 5 was horrible. Then I looked at prices!

Thirty bucks to get a new battery installed and I'm good to go. Saved myself $970.
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #79 on: January 23, 2018, 10:23:37 PM »
When we are traveling, we routinely use 15-20GB of data each (two people). Streaming music a reasonable amount (no streaming video), email, social media, blog updates, etc seem to take up a surprising amount! Those who are stationary with decent campground WiFi probably donít need the same thing as those of us in the boonies far away from WiFi. Oh, and I have an Apple. I enjoy the seamless integration of their products, and iTunes is a wonderful invention LOL! I am happy with my unlimited Verizon on two lines. We havenít ever hit the throttled amount, but we have come close a few times. They seem to have good service where we travel which is almost exclusively West with a few trips to the Midwest.
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #80 on: January 24, 2018, 05:46:59 AM »
When we are traveling, we routinely use 15-20GB of data each (two people). Streaming music a reasonable amount (no streaming video), email, social media, blog updates, etc seem to take up a surprising amount! Those who are stationary with decent campground WiFi probably donít need the same thing as those of us in the boonies far away from WiFi. Oh, and I have an Apple. I enjoy the seamless integration of their products, and iTunes is a wonderful invention LOL! I am happy with my unlimited Verizon on two lines. We havenít ever hit the throttled amount, but we have come close a few times. They seem to have good service where we travel which is almost exclusively West with a few trips to the Midwest.
First off Android products are just as seamlessly integrated as Apple products are. I have a collection of 3000 of my favorite songs that I put together and they are located on my phones SD card and a bunch of other places so I never have to stream music.
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #81 on: January 24, 2018, 08:34:00 AM »
With all due respect, 3GB is less than 2 days worth at our current usage rate.  Even without streaming video we use >10 GB/mo for two laptops, two smartphones and an iPad.

Of course we use MUCH less than that, but I was replying to Tom's post about 1GB for $30.
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Re: Sticker shock on new phones
« Reply #82 on: January 24, 2018, 08:56:08 AM »
Hmmm, I remember those "days of yore" when we tried really hard to stay within our 3-5GB data plans. Fortunately, we don't need to do that now...
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