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Motorcycle Question
« on: December 26, 2017, 07:01:29 PM »
I have a Class C motorhome and pull my 2004 Jeep. My question is, if I get a trailer, will I be able to tow my Honda Goldwing behind my jeep
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2017, 07:37:18 PM »
Would likely depend on who is defining "able".

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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2017, 10:04:25 PM »
That is a tough question.  By most definitions, this is a double tow - MH is towing the (1) Jeep towing a (2) trailer with the bike.

In several states, especially in the northeast and south, double tows are illegal, period.
In many midwest and western states, they are legal, but there are restrictions like must be truck - FW - second trailer.  A double tow with both ball hitch attachments would be troublesome.  There are also overall length restrictions, but you are likely under those limits.

Each state sets their own laws on this.  Google State Towing Laws for sites like     http://www.hitchemup.com/statetowinglaws.htm     You must meet the laws of each state you will pass through.
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2017, 10:32:06 PM »
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2017, 04:41:54 AM »
I have a Class C motorhome and pull my 2004 Jeep. My question is, if I get a trailer, will I be able to tow my Honda Goldwing behind my jeep


Goldwings aren't built to trailer. They're built to ride.
Now a Harley......... it's different.:)
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2017, 05:13:20 AM »
Swap the Jeep for a pickup an load the wing on it.

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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2017, 07:10:27 AM »

Goldwings aren't built to trailer. They're built to ride.
Now a Harley......... it's different.:)
Exsqueeze me? 8)
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2017, 09:13:33 AM »

Goldwings aren't built to trailer. They're built to ride.
Now a Harley......... it's different.:)

Too early for beer but I better make some popcorn. :)

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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2017, 09:23:02 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2017, 09:47:43 AM »
 a Goldwing is about the same to motorcycling ... as a cruise ship is to sailing.

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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2017, 09:52:32 AM »
It's all good. Not everybody gets it.
Someone say popcorn? 8)
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2017, 10:16:48 AM »
It's all good. Not everybody gets it.
Someone say popcorn? 8)

That looks like a beauty of a bike.

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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2017, 10:46:17 AM »
Diesel or gas (The Class C) with a gasser if you put the Jeep on a trailer you will likely be overweight. IN fact there is a good chance the jeep itself is a bit heavy for the RV.

Now.. There are motorcycle carriers that fit on the JEEP from what I understand, kind of like a bicycle carrier.  But I do not know much about them.  That would be my suggestion.

But be careful of your Maximum Combined Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2017, 11:34:52 AM »
That looks like a beauty of a bike.
Yes she was but I left her for another when we moved up north.
Tried to post a pic but file to large.
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2017, 12:46:59 PM »
a Goldwing is about the same to motorcycling ... as a cruise ship is to sailing.


I'd go along with that.:)
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2017, 03:46:29 PM »
Gm, Ford, Ram.
Diesel, gas
Class A, 5'er, bumper pull
Harley...... 8)
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2017, 03:47:18 PM »
Popcorn anyone?
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2017, 04:39:00 PM »
Do you have to even shift gears on a Wing...or are they a full automatic now days ?      I know they have a reverse.    ;D

If it was me I'd buy a smaller electric start dual-sport type bike and put it on a bumper rack.     like a Kaw KLR650
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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2017, 04:52:46 PM »
My understanding is it's like your lawn tractor in many ways only quieter.
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2017, 06:06:51 PM »
I don't know squat about motorcycles. But I understand the BMWs are the best road motorcycles.  Now throw the pies at me. I don't care.
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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2017, 06:20:39 PM »
I would never waste a pie that way. Never met one I didn't like!
BMW makes a bad ass automobile but I have no experience with the bikes. I run with a Harley crowd, or at least did. Nothing like having something big and powerful between your legs.  8)
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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2017, 06:21:39 PM »
I should have thought that thru better....
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2017, 06:46:31 PM »
Do you have to even shift gears on a Wing...or are they a full automatic now days ?      I know they have a reverse.    ;D

If it was me I'd buy a smaller electric start dual-sport type bike and put it on a bumper rack.     like a Kaw KLR650


I think some of the new Wings are automatic. Mine's an '08, still 5 speed. It does have reverse too.
For the Harley look & sound, I have my VTX 1300R. I don't think it vibrates as much as a Harley, but it does thump pretty good. ;D
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« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2017, 06:58:50 PM »
Marshall, if you are happy, that is all that matters. Many choices out there. Own what you want. Just ride on brother!
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2017, 07:26:46 PM »
I don't know squat about motorcycles. But I understand the BMWs are the best road motorcycles.  Now throw the pies at me. I don't care.

You got that part correct!  Pass the popcorn this way!
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2017, 07:37:45 PM »
You got that part correct!  Pass the popcorn this way!

I agree.............

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« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2017, 08:27:06 PM »
IMO...(as an ex m/c repair shop owner)

A BMW (motorcycle) is one of those 'engineers' type vehicles.   They love all the German seriousness, but as with most German vehicles The Fun factor is completely unimportant and accidental if it happens.

And ...I have always said this about Japanese products (both cars and bikes).....If you told the Japanese to make a copy of a Monet painting.  It would come back looking just like a photograph.

I like vehicles that are fun ..... To me,   old British or American bikes (and cars) are just way more fun than some Honda is.

It's the ride...not the destination.
     
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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2017, 11:08:37 PM »
IMO...(as an ex m/c repair shop owner)

A BMW (motorcycle) is one of those 'engineers' type vehicles.   They love all the German seriousness, but as with most German vehicles The Fun factor is completely unimportant and accidental if it happens.

And ...I have always said this about Japanese products (both cars and bikes).....If you told the Japanese to make a copy of a Monet painting.  It would come back looking just like a photograph.

I like vehicles that are fun ..... To me,   old British or American bikes (and cars) are just way more fun than some Honda is.

It's the ride...not the destination.
   

Just like hammers and screwdrivers. They both are good at what they do. I always figured Hondas was more along the lines of 500 cc of 2 stroke pulling a long sand hill with a 20 foot rooster tail of sand and my kid hanging on  behind me. Or blowing over three foot woops at full throttle. I liked being able to ride it vs work on it. One of my early bikes was a BSA 441 Victor special. The kick starter would blow a hole in my tennis shoe. YES, tennis shoes, you know, fools gear. :)

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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2017, 04:29:56 AM »
Marshall, if you are happy, that is all that matters. Many choices out there. Own what you want. Just ride on brother!
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« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2017, 06:18:19 AM »
And just so y'all know, I really don't care what motorcycle anyone rides.  If he/she is having fun riding it safely, that is what matters most.  My point in my above post is that BMW motorcycles are not necessarily as highly rated as some folks believe them to be.  They have quality and reliability issues and recalls....just like every other brand, so do your research before buying anything.....just like with anything else...and don't fall for the Hype surrounding the name.
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« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2017, 06:28:18 AM »
While we're discussing motorcycles, if anyone is into retro, check out the Honda CB1100EX. Back to the '70's!
And Harley's have had reverse for years, my 1946 45" flathead had reverse. All I had to do was install a gear from a 45" Servicar. Cost me a whole $18. I already had a shifting drum and dash plate with reverse capability. Just about killed myself with it. Didn't take me long to change the dash plate back to a non-reverse so I wouldn't play around with it.
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« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2017, 10:05:56 AM »
anyone that doesn't love cars and motorcycles.... should buy Japanese vehicles.

They are disposable transportation vehicles...if something goes wrong they are not worth fixing,  just throw it away and get a new one.

Comparing a Honda to a Harley is like comparing a Bic lighter... to a Zippo lighter.
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« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2017, 10:15:51 AM »
I've rode Harleys most of my adult life, and still have one left. I still have nothing against foreign made bikes. If there was an Ultra and a 'Wing sitting in my garage, and I was going to ride to Florida from Delaware, I'd most likely jump on the 'Wing.
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2017, 10:29:59 AM »
IMO to answer the OP's question I doubt a Class C will work for towing a Jeep and a Wing.

I have a Class A with a hydraulic motorcycle lift and it will carry a Gold Wind and then could tow a Jeep too.
Putting a lift on a Class C big enough to hold a GW is not likely going to happen.

Getting a trailer big enough to put both the GW and Jeep in would likely be more then he could carry or tow.

So IMO IF having a 4 wheel vehicle and a GW with you is that important, then upgrade to a Class A DP and you can do it.
IF your not willing to do that, then get a trailer for the GW and have someone else drive the Jeep behind you.  Take your pick.  :)
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2017, 02:51:34 PM »


So IMO IF having a 4 wheel vehicle and a GW with you is that important, then upgrade to a Class A DP and you can do it.
IF your not willing to do that, then get a trailer for the GW and have someone else drive the Jeep behind you.  Take your pick.  :)



This is actually what I would do if I wanted both.
I have an enclosed trailer for the Wing, I've seen how dirty vehicles get when pulling them behind the MH. Shoot, my car caddy has quite a lot of soot on the left fender just from the MH engine.
Although I've seen lots of lifts for m/c's on DP's, I'm still a chicken and would be paranoid to do it.lol
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« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2017, 10:06:50 PM »
Ditch the Jeep. Problem solved.
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« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2017, 07:12:17 AM »

 Harley's have had reverse for years, my 1946 45" flathead had reverse. All I had to do was install a gear from a 45" Servicar. Cost me a whole $18. I already had a shifting drum and dash plate with reverse capability. Just about killed myself with it. Didn't take me long to change the dash plate back to a non-reverse so I wouldn't play around with it.

I ran out of popcorn so here goes....I had one of those years ago and unfortunately sold it. Mine was an 1945 "45" an old Army bike.

Now there 4 Harley sitting in the shop, a 52 panhead chop that used to take me to work and bars, a 77 shovel that we took to La. and back, an 08 ultra which gets rode weekly for trips more than 20 miles and an 08 streetbob that is great for trips to breakfast and and occasional bar hop.

So far I have owned or rode, Lambretta, Yamaha, Royal Enfield Indian, Triumph, Bmw, Honda Suzuki, Kawasaki and finally HARLEYS.....

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« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2017, 09:41:23 AM »
My first bike was an Ossa dirt bike. Had a lot of fun on that. I think it was about $800 new in 1970. I had a Yamaha after I joined the AF. Didn't keep that one long. My wife bought a $28,000 swim spa once and I told her I was buying a Harley. Bought a Sporster 48 and almost lost all my teeth, very rough ride. Traded that for a Heritage Softail. Had that shipped to England and since I am a fair weather rider I think there was about three days nice enough for me to ride the bike. Sold the Heritage in the U.K. On eBay. Oh, and I had a Honda Passport. Young guy in our shop at Mt Home, ID won it at the NCO Club and was embarrassed to ride it. So I bought it and when we moved to Las Vegas it was stolen.
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2017, 09:51:36 AM »
One option we're looking at is a dolly tow with the motorcycles cross loaded.  At destination can switch to tow the dolly with the Jeep if needed. 

http://www.tandem-tow.com/HDXL.htm
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« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2017, 12:51:30 PM »
My first bike was an Ossa dirt bike.

Welcome back O/G.

if you had an Ossa in 1970 you were King of the Hill,   I dreamed of a Husky, Bultaco or an Ossa but all I could afford was new 1970 Yamaha 125 Enduro.        Loved that bike.. took it everywhere with me in the Army.

 (In fact I may just go on EBay and get me another one as a lovely little retirement award.   :)) )



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« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2017, 01:32:50 PM »
Your '70 125 yammy was close to my first dirt bike, a '69 175 yammy enduro. Mine ended up with an aftermarket frame, a Redline, if I remember correctly, and my engine was built by a guy in Virginia. I used to give those Suzuki 185's a fit on the MX track. I did have to watch those Honda's though, with their 11,000 rpm redline engines.
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« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2017, 02:29:40 PM »
anyone that doesn't love cars and motorcycles.... should buy Japanese vehicles.

They are disposable transportation vehicles...if something goes wrong they are not worth fixing,  just throw it away and get a new one.

Comparing a Honda to a Harley is like comparing a Bic lighter... to a Zippo lighter.

I agree  Honda = Zippo, Harley = Bic Lighter
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« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2017, 02:54:57 PM »
You might backwards have that.  8)
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« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2017, 03:49:20 PM »
Welcome back O/G.

if you had an Ossa in 1970 you were King of the Hill,   I dreamed of a Husky, Bultaco or an Ossa but all I could afford was new 1970 Yamaha 125 Enduro.        Loved that bike.. took it everywhere with me in the Army.

 (In fact I may just go on EBay and get me another one as a lovely little retirement award.   :)) )

This is the model I had:

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« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2017, 04:02:36 PM »
After 49 years of riding I've had them all.  First one was A Honda, then Yamaha, etc.  Wound up with Harleys and will never go back. Harley's are just so much more fun to ride.
Unless I find this little customized Honda Scrambler I first had in the '60s. That I would buy back.
Still, to each his own.
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« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2017, 05:02:28 PM »
Old Radio.

funny you should mention Honda Scramblers.....Another of my all time favorite bikes,  if fact.. I still have one.  A 1965 Honda 305 scrambler.  (first year of the 305 ) I had fun restoring these bikes and have a bunch of parts if you ever get one.

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« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2017, 05:04:26 PM »
One option we're looking at is a dolly tow with the motorcycles cross loaded.  At destination can switch to tow the dolly with the Jeep if needed. 

http://www.tandem-tow.com/HDXL.htm

I'm not getting into the whole Honda/Harley thing.  I've had both, and I can't ride anymore, so it just seems silly, BUT, I looked at the dolly in your link, and I think you'd better do some research on the Jeep forums. 
Some Jeeps don't take well to being dragged around on a dolly.   Not sure exactly which models with which transfer cases(didn't pay that much attention because I tow 4 down)but apparently it damages something in the transfer case.
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« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2017, 02:08:51 AM »
You might backwards have that.  8)

OK, if you insist.....

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« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2017, 04:09:25 AM »
If that pleases you, sure. ;)
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« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2017, 09:01:43 AM »
  I simply love motorcycles, all motorcycles and would probably ride a Honda again so long as I was in a strange town where none of my friends could see me. and it didnt leave me sitting alongside the road 4 times like my last new one did. 

  Did you ever notice that a BMW rider will not wave back at you unless you are riding the same model and color of BMW. Honda riders wont wave back because they are afraid of making eye contact.
No one ever said "I want my Harley to sound just like that Honda"

   I can still buy parts for my 52 pan head, all the way down to the throttle plate screws.Thats something you cant do with a Honda ....especially since they didn't start making them until 55 (according to my source) but I do have a pressure washer that is top notch.
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« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2017, 09:13:08 AM »
A friend of mine owns a Honda dealership. He was telling me when a Goldwing comes in with a bad alternator (a common problem with them)  the repair estimate will be more than the bike is worth because the entire engine has to be removed. At that point the insurance usually totals the bike.

Like a disposable lighter.  They are not designed to be repaired.
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« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2017, 09:54:19 AM »
A friend of mine owns a Honda dealership. He was telling me when a Goldwing comes in with a bad alternator (a common problem with them)  the repair estimate will be more than the bike is worth because the entire engine has to be removed. At that point the insurance usuallly totals the bike.

Like a disposable lighter.  They are not designed to be repaired.

Insurance totals the bike?  Since when does insurance take care of a maintenance item.....unless it's a service contract.  Your regular insurance is for accidents, not breakdown repairs....except maybe the towing part of the breakdown.  And let's face it, cars, trucks, motorcycles, refrigerators, ....you name it, has gotten a LOT more complex that they were years ago.  I haven't heard about any specific issues with Goldwings and that being a common problem, but then again, I don't own a Goldwing.  And the Goldwing is just one of many motorcycles that Honda makes.

And on the flip side of that coin, back in 2003-2006 when I sold Honda AND Harley motorcycles at a dealership (and yes, they were both on the same sales floor), I read a published article about a guy that had bought a brand new 1995 Goldwing.  He was a salesman and used the bike for his sales route, as he loved to ride.  The article was published in 2005 and he had 584,000 miles on the Goldwing at that time......and the engine had never been apart.  He had obviously gone through a ton of tires, oil and filter changes, spark plugs and the normal maint stuff, but the engine had never been opened to repair or fix anything.  I'm sure covers had to come off for valve adjustments, but the point is, Hondas, generally speaking are dead nut reliable cars and motorcycles.  My last track bike, a Honda CBR600RR, was sold with 16,000 miles on it.  That doesn't sound like a lot, but when you realize that the bike lived it's life in the 12-15K RPM range for all those miles, it's pretty impressive.

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« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2017, 10:07:22 AM »
I was doing a brake job on a really nice older Suzuki road bike...it needed new rotors.

When I went to the dealership the parts department told me they no longer support that bike in parts.... :-\

 The Japanese automotive industry just wants everyone to buy a new Bic lighter..

( yes you can write up the repair estimate to be an insurance claim.... the same thing as a wiring short can total a vehicle.)


and then there's that old motorcycle joke...

A Honda is just like a fat girl...they're still fun.... but don't let any of your friends see you riding them.... ;D
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« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2017, 11:06:55 AM »
I was doing a brake job on a really nice older Suzuki road bike...it needed new rotors.

When I went to the dealership the parts department told me they no longer support that bike in parts.... :-\

 The Japanese automotive industry just wants everyone to buy a new Bic lighter..

( yes you can write up the repair estimate to be an insurance claim.... the same thing as a wiring short can total a vehicle.)


and then there's that old motorcycle joke...

A Honda is just like a fat girl...there still fun.... but don't let any of your friends see you riding them.... ;D

Or the old Harley joke.....
Since 1973, 94% of all the Harleys made are still on the road!  The other 6% made it home!   ;D
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« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2017, 12:42:27 PM »
Or the old Harley joke.....
Since 1973, 94% of all the Harleys made are still on the road!  The other 6% made it home!   ;D


but in reality...I see a lot more 1973 Harleys on the road today than I see 1973 Hondas  ..... ;)

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« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2017, 01:15:40 PM »
My quick 2 cents...I currently have 3 Hondas, 2 Kawasakis, and 1 Harley. They each have different purposes for me, and I love them all.

One of the Hondas is a race bike that I now teach on, and like xrated mentioned, it's impressive since it has 65,000 track miles on it with no issues.
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« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2017, 01:16:59 PM »

but in reality...I see a lot more 1973 Harleys on the road today than I see 1973 Hondas  ..... ;)

They probably aren't really 1973 models.....they just look the same now as they did in 1973.
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« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2017, 02:20:48 PM »
As someone who has a Class C, a Jeep and a motorcycle would be too much weight. MHO
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« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2017, 02:51:08 PM »
Gee, don't anyone have a Hodaka these days? :(
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« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2017, 03:20:51 PM »
Gee, don't anyone have a Hodaka these days? :(

I see them at the motorcycle shows....I had one and raced it,...they sure seemed bigger back in 1973   ???
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« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2017, 05:42:55 PM »
I see them at the motorcycle shows....I had one and raced it,...they sure seemed bigger back in 1973   ???
Me and my Ace 100 tore up the trails about then.  I carried pieces out of the woods on my back many a time.
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #61 on: December 31, 2017, 09:30:00 AM »
Gee, don't anyone have a Hodaka these days? :(

Since we are veering off into motorcycles and their history.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodaka

I always wanted one but ended up with a  1968 Suzuki 50 street trail as my first real bike. I bought it new from a woman who won it, paid $175.  First ride was a mini bike with a Continental engine. It was a big move up to the Suzuki when the chain wasn't loose all the time or I didn't have to drive a penny into the centrifugal clutch when  the recoil broke on the mini bike.  Japanese bikes revolutionized motorcycles in America. As mentioned in the link, a lot of people moved on to street bikes which probably corresponded to the introduction of the Honda Dream and then the 350 street scrambler and then the CB 750. I remember a friend in high school smoking the tire and doing wheelies with his four cylinder 750 Honda. I had a 500 CC Kawasaki triple 2 stroke. At about 100 mph my girlfriend/wife would start beating on my back to slow down. YES, she was crazy enough to marry me and shes now riding her own street bike, dirt bike and ATV at 62 yr old.

A lot of the USA motorcycle history is interesting. During the early 80's Harley wanted trade restrictions placed on the Japanese bikes because they were so competitive. Reagan was going to do it but Harley instead agreed to accept Japanese loan guarantees and later used their machining and manufacturing technology along with components such as Nippon Denso. Competition encourages better products for consumers so it's change or die. Now Harley is facing a problem of changing demographics such as baby boomers and need a more diversified customer base. 

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« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2017, 10:54:39 AM »
the one thing I can't forgive the Japanese motorcycle industry for the the attempted assassination of the American and British motorcycle builders.

In the late 60's early 70's the Japs figured out our political system....so they 'Lobbied' Congress to pass a new motorcycle manufacturing safety law,  that standardizes all motorcycles to shift on the Left Side only.    ....'for the motorcycling public safety'.

That law came into effect in 1975.

Harley scrambled and came up with a Quick fix for the 1975 Sportster.... and started retooling to meet the law.

Triumph did not produce a 1975 model and started retooling ..  most other British makers just closed their doors.

The Japs killed everyone.   and they also killed factory sponsored Flat Track racing.   (you can't shift,  if your shifter is in the dirt).


As you can tell by what the Japanese Auto industry has done since over the years is visible everywhere here in America.    It's rare to see anything American made. 

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« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2017, 11:24:58 AM »
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  The Japs killed everyone.   and they also killed factory sponsored Flat Track racing.   (you can't shift,  if your shifter is in the dirt).   

There is an incredibly easy solution for that issue.  As some of you know, I have been an Instructor with the largest motorcycle track day organization in the U.S.A.  We ride motorcycles capable of lean angles approaching 60 degrees from vertical, while going through corners.  The easy answer is what is called GP shift pattern, where instead of the normal 1 down then 4 or 5 up for a shifting pattern, the shift patter is changed to be 1 up, then 4 or 5 down.....just the exact opposite of the normal pattern.  Without this modification, there would be no way to upshift the bike as you are exiting a corner.  The rearsets are also set higher and further back to allow more clearance while leaned over.

And to all of you Motorcycle folks on here......if you EVER......EVER get an opportunity to be in the Birmingham, AL area, a MUST DO is to visit the Barber Motorsports Museum in Leeds, AL.  There is approx. 550,000 sq.ft. of the most pristine museum containing motorcycles of every type, model, brand, age that you have EVER SEEN.  Mr. Barber owns the world's largest Motorcycle museum and it is simply breath-taking to experience it.  And there will typically be 750 or so motorcycles on display there at any given time.  He owns many more than that, but until you see it in person, there is absolutely nothing I can type/say that would adequately describe it.  It's that special.
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« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2017, 11:37:10 AM »
A 1975 Sportster was one of the bikes I rode for years. It was a unique bike due to the standardization's that were forced thru congress.
The shift mechanism was just a band-aide resolution to meet those standards. It had a crossover linkage, with an extended brake & shift lever. It worked as it should until the bushing wore. With even the slightest of wear it would make finding neutral almost impossible, and downright frustrating. The cure was to remove all of the mandated hardware and go back to right side shift. Took all of an hour to do, downside is be prepared to fix the the transmission if you loan the bike to your little brother, who has raised riding left side shifters.
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« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2017, 05:45:18 PM »
During the early 80's Harley wanted trade restrictions placed on the Japanese bikes because they were so competitive.
 

And during the 90's, in an effort to save America's already struggling automotive industry and jobs,  congress approved import quotas.

Each maker can only import so many vehicles. .... So,  the Japanese change the nameplates of 1/2 their cars....Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infinity, Honda/Acura.  In Japan some of the same Lexus cars actually had Toyota badges,  In America the Lexus E300 is actually a re-badged Toyota Camry.

Be careful of your worship of all things Japanese.  They are ruthless business people and would love to dominate the world economy.   

America was building good products once upon a time, they have taught you to believe that our industries died,  because of their superior products..

To all you millennials I say....Those that don't know History, are doomed to repeat it.
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« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2017, 08:05:48 PM »
One of the FUNNIEST things I saw, probably 30 years ago, was a "hippie" looking guy in a convenience store. He had on all the "stuff" for buy American, had on all the Harley shirts & jacket, etc. I watched him go outside and get into his vehicle, a Honda Civic. ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2017, 08:17:47 PM »
One of the FUNNIEST things I saw, probably 30 years ago, was a "hippie" looking guy in a convenience store. He had on all the "stuff" for buy American, had on all the Harley shirts & jacket, etc. I watched him go outside and get into his vehicle, a Honda Civic. ;D ;D ;D

yep, they kicked our ass.   (not exactly fair and square ..IMO)

In the future, Americans will all be driving their wonderful little Subarus, Civics and Camrys up to see... "The Toyota Mt.Rushmore Experience (TM.)"  ... 

You should be very proud.  ;)

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« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2017, 09:38:59 PM »
yep, they kicked our ass.   (not exactly fair and square ..IMO)

 In the future, Americans will all drive their wonderful little Subarus, Civics and Camrys up to see...  "The Toyota Mt.Rushmore Experience (TM.)" ... 

You should be very proud.  ;)

So I'm curious Tony...do you own anything NOT made in the  U.S.A.......tools, clothing, appliances, computers and computer parts, Televisions, wrist watches, etc?
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« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2017, 11:17:11 PM »
Japanese couldn't kill anything. The gov makes the laws and allows lobbyist and now corporations are considered people. Textiles, steel, autos, so who's running the show? Government. Japanese can't help it if they brought a motorcycle over here that didn't leak oil. People must like that. We hoisted a rusty tiny Honda Civic to the roof of our high school during graduation 45 yr ago. Lousy car at first but they learned.
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« Reply #70 on: January 01, 2018, 03:23:23 AM »
So I'm curious Tony...do you own anything NOT made in the  U.S.A.......tools, clothing, appliances, computers and computer parts, Televisions, wrist watches, etc?
Oh be serious...nothing is made in America anymore.

Why do you think America is broke. We are a nation of consumers with only service industry, the only jobs are selling Toyotas..
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« Reply #71 on: January 01, 2018, 05:18:57 AM »
And unfortunately, American pick-ups just plodded along until Tundras showed what half-ton pick-ups were capable of doing. If the Tundra hadn't hit the streets, American pick-ups would still be lacking 10 years of improvement. The car industry is the same. The Japanese didn't do this to our country, our industries, controlled by stock holders did.
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« Reply #72 on: January 01, 2018, 06:22:00 AM »
Oh be serious...nothing is made in America anymore.

Why do you think America is broke. We are a nation of consumers with only service industry, the only jobs are selling Toyotas..

I always get a laugh out of the people that are like...I'm buying an "AMERICAN" made motorcycle, not that Japanese crap.  Did you know that the forks on the Harleys are made by Showa....a Honda owned company?  Did you know that the Brembo brakes aren't American made either?  A majority of the electronics that are on the Harleys are Japanese made!  When I worked in motorcycle sales, you couldn't find an American made piece of Harley branded clothing in the Harley Davidson dealership!  What's up with that....riding an "American" made Harley with Japanese parts, then getting pissed off when someone else prefers another brand?  I'm not saying that pissed off person is YOU, I'm saying that there is a lot of folks walking around with blinders on....trying to be something that they are not.  The Japanese products from years ago were in fact, mostly junk, everyone knew that and made fun of that.  But the Japanese adapted.....figuring out how to build better and better products.  Their success pushed, for example, the American car industry to make a choice....either start building better cars to compete with their Japanese competitors, or lose marketshare.  If forced a lot of the industries to improve their products because most people would rather spend their hard earned money for a quality product than to spend the same amount, maybe more, on inferior products.  It's reality.  You can love it, you can hate it, or you can just ignore it....but the bottom line is that the available product choices of many things have improved tremendously over the years.  The Chinese are going through that very same thing right now, that the Japanese did 50 years ago.  They will improve also....which will, in the end, cause the American industry to improve their products to a higher quality.....or they will fall behind and lose marketshare.
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« Reply #73 on: January 01, 2018, 06:25:46 AM »
And unfortunately, American pick-ups just plodded along until Tundras showed what half-ton pick-ups were capable of doing. If the Tundra hadn't hit the streets, American pick-ups would still be lacking 10 years of improvement. The car industry is the same. The Japanese didn't do this to our country, our industries, controlled by stock holders did.

That ^^^^ is very true!  Competition has a tendency to bring out the best in the competitors.....or be left behind and fade into oblivion!
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« Reply #74 on: January 01, 2018, 06:55:37 AM »
I always get a laugh out of the people that are like...I'm buying an "AMERICAN" made motorcycle, not that Japanese crap.  Did you know that the forks on the Harleys are made by Showa....a Honda owned company?  Did you know that the Brembo brakes aren't American made either?  A majority of the electronics that are on the Harleys are Japanese made!  When I worked in motorcycle sales, you couldn't find an American made piece of Harley branded clothing in the Harley Davidson dealership!  What's up with that....riding an "American" made Harley with Japanese parts, then getting pissed off when someone else prefers another brand?  I'm not saying that pissed off person is YOU, I'm saying that there is a lot of folks walking around with blinders on....trying to be something that they are not.  The Japanese products from years ago were in fact, mostly junk, everyone knew that and made fun of that.  But the Japanese adapted.....figuring out how to build better and better products.  Their success pushed, for example, the American car industry to make a choice....either start building better cars to compete with their Japanese competitors, or lose marketshare.  If forced a lot of the industries to improve their products because most people would rather spend their hard earned money for a quality product than to spend the same amount, maybe more, on inferior products.  It's reality.  You can love it, you can hate it, or you can just ignore it....but the bottom line is that the available product choices of many things have improved tremendously over the years.  The Chinese are going through that very same thing right now, that the Japanese did 50 years ago.  They will improve also....which will, in the end, cause the American industry to improve their products to a higher quality.....or they will fall behind and lose marketshare.


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« Reply #75 on: January 01, 2018, 10:10:18 AM »
Yep, American manufacturing is done.   The japs have beaten us.

I'll bet those old Cessnas you have are another good example of American made crap.

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« Reply #76 on: January 01, 2018, 10:40:13 AM »
Yep, American manufacturing is done.   The japs have beaten us.

I'll bet those old Cessnas you have are another example of American made crap.

I don't recall ANYONE saying that American manufacturing is done.....except you....but that was a nice/clever way to twist some words around a bit.  We don't live in a "just American" economy.  Global economics is a part of modern day life, and again, you can chose to accept it, deny it, or ignore it....but facts are facts whether you accept them or not.

I'm done with this, as it has strayed waaaaay off of the topic of the thread.
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« Reply #77 on: January 01, 2018, 10:41:30 AM »

SPOT ON. So glad someone could put into words what I've thought for YEARS.

Thanks....it needed said!
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« Reply #78 on: January 01, 2018, 11:00:18 AM »

SPOT ON. So glad someone could put into words what I've thought for YEARS.

   I chuckle when all the hipster Honda guys get so excited about Showa forks on Harleys..

Everyone in motorcycles knows Harley used Showa forks since the 1950's ??    was that really news to you ?

And as for the great rear-sets idea....take it out on a dirt oval and let me know how it works out.... ;D


Funny....Today in 2017..In AMA flattrack racing Harley still remains very competitive against all the multi-millon dollar Japanese high tech factory racing teams...With the exact same designed and built 1972 XR750 Sprotster engine.

(And XR750s are leakers. ..I've owned 2 of them)
 


   

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« Reply #79 on: January 01, 2018, 11:21:16 AM »
If it's all Japan fault why were the British bikes coming here before them? Oh wait I remember, the British bikes were leakers too. I guess they weren't a treat to the original leaker.

It's also interesting that some can say Japan, Japanese, British and not resort to racist slurs.   We could very easily have Japanese decent members here
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« Reply #80 on: January 01, 2018, 12:23:21 PM »
Harley's don't leak...they mark their spot.

 and when a British bikes stops leaking....it's just the low oil indicator... :)

As I've gotten older I've realized this about Vehicles....

In Cars.

If I wanted a good little sports car to buzz reliably around the hills with the top down and the radio playing (sorry..Bluetooth library to you millennials  ;) ) .. A Mazda Miata will do that perfectly well.  been there done that, over it.

But,   Tooling through the hills is a whole different experience.. in a wonderful old Austin Healey 3000.


The same thing with motorcycles...most all of the newer ones (aka Japanese) are just sole-less reliable transportation machines. 

sorry,  They don't do anything for me.   
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« Reply #81 on: January 01, 2018, 02:07:07 PM »
I am going to make one more comment here.  I'm not even sure what a "hipster" is, so I don't know if I am one or not.  What I do know is that I've been riding motorcycles since 1971 (46 years) and I've had dirt bikes, Enduro bikes, I campaigned a drag bike, rode ATVs, Street bikes, and track only/race bikes that have been ridden at Road Atlanta, Barber, NCM, CMP, Little Tally, Jennings, and Nashville.  I've been knee down at 120 mph through T6 at NCM, and 175-176 mph down the back straight at Road Atlanta.  I've sold em for a living, I've rode them for years and years, and I continue to enjoy them.  So, I guess you could say that I've had a bit of experience with them....but the thing that confounds me....What's a hipster?    8)
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« Reply #82 on: January 01, 2018, 02:09:34 PM »
   Just a note for those that are constantly accusing the old harleys of leaking oil. They have an automatic oiler that is adjustable with a screwdriver, it sends crankcase oil onto the drive chain so there is always an oil drip there,the primary case is designed to hold a vacuum under test, this allows the oil in the case to return to its tank.  That explains the oil drip, if needed the oiler can be screwed all the way in and there will be no oil puddle.   
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« Reply #83 on: January 01, 2018, 02:20:38 PM »
Kept mine in the dining room. No leaks.
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« Reply #84 on: January 01, 2018, 02:40:22 PM »
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« Reply #85 on: January 01, 2018, 03:37:43 PM »
There's an old Harley riders saying....  "If I have to explain it to you...you'll never get it".... ;D
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« Reply #86 on: January 01, 2018, 03:52:32 PM »
Kept mine in the dining room. No leaks.

When my wife moved in 34 yrs ago as a girlfriend she saw my 52 pan sitting in the living room and said that will have to go outside........eventually I did take it outside after I banged into it several times.
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« Reply #87 on: January 01, 2018, 04:22:16 PM »
yes,   gotta love Tecnology.
 
Today I can put any Grandmother in a new Tesla, have her mash the peddle and do a mid 10 second 1/4 mile run....wow back in the 60's I used to think that was superhero stuff.


Being in the 200 mph Bonneville club is not what all it was either......just go buy any brand new BMW, Honda, Kawasaki/Suzuki superbike and bypass the speed limit settings and you're knocking on the door... if it was on blacktop I'll bet even gramma could even leave the traction control on...  1st run..maybe 180MPH.   :))
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« Reply #88 on: January 01, 2018, 04:54:35 PM »
When my wife moved in 34 yrs ago as a girlfriend she saw my 52 pan sitting in the living room and said that will have to go outside........eventually I did take it outside after I banged into it several times.

Or was it a matter of survival. "Yes Dear".  :P :-[ :-X :'( ;D
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #89 on: January 01, 2018, 05:12:20 PM »
The photo I posted was our house in England. My wife had gone back to the States to care for our grandkids. I'm pretty sure the bike would not have been in the kitchen if she was still there.
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« Reply #90 on: January 01, 2018, 05:29:59 PM »
Xrated.

Nothing on you.

 The guys I was referring to are what I see as these younger super high tech, world economy, bearded, man bun guys wearing tight jeans, Factory colored leather jacket with elbow pads, a Go/Pro on their helmet, the Iphone GPS/music on the bars, ear buds...... riding those actual Repsol Honda RC51 tribute bikes (could've been a factory rider if he want to),  out on a Sunday ride. 

You've seen them right ?..  those knowers of all "real" information.....disgusted with those damn archaic Harley riders...a hipster kinda guy ?

 :) ( just fun)
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #91 on: January 01, 2018, 05:56:17 PM »
OK........I'm definitely NOT a Hipster then.  I'm somewhat clear on who/what you are referring to.  When they are on sportbikes, we sometimes call them "squids".  That's a combo of squirrly and kid!  Usually no protective gear, rides on the street doing dangerous/stupid stuff with no regard for anyone but themselves.

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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #92 on: January 01, 2018, 07:26:13 PM »
OK........I'm definitely NOT a Hipster then.  I'm somewhat clear on who/what you are referring to.  When they are on sportbikes, we sometimes call them "squids".  That's a combo of squirrly and kid!  Usually no protective gear, rides on the street doing dangerous/stupid stuff with no regard for anyone but themselves.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

We just had a "squid" bite the big one last night....right into the side of a semi making a left turn...They didnt say who was at fault but did make the statement that the bike was traveling at a high rate of speed. No Happy New Year for him.
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #93 on: January 01, 2018, 08:00:15 PM »
The L.A. fire dept. refers to them as ..'Organ Donors'.

 Every weekend up on Mulholland Drive at least one guy crashes a Panigale or other superbike trying to show everyone how talented he is coming back from the Rock Store,  all us old archaic British and Harley riders carefully pass by the scene with all the flashing emergency lights and 2 or 3 other Rice Rockets parked nearby.

Do you remember back in 74/75 when the Goldwing first came out it was marketed as "the new 'Sport' bike from Honda".....it was a flop as a Sport bike,  so they put bags and a windshield on it and sold them to old men as a cruiser.
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« Reply #94 on: January 02, 2018, 03:10:06 PM »
I always get a laugh out of the people that are like...I'm buying an "AMERICAN" made motorcycle, not that Japanese crap.  Did you know that the forks on the Harleys are made by Showa....a Honda owned company?  Did you know that the Brembo brakes aren't American made either?  A majority of the electronics that are on the Harleys are Japanese made!  When I worked in motorcycle sales, you couldn't find an American made piece of Harley branded clothing in the Harley Davidson dealership!  What's up with that....riding an "American" made Harley with Japanese parts, then getting pissed off when someone else prefers another brand?  I'm not saying that pissed off person is YOU, I'm saying that there is a lot of folks walking around with blinders on....trying to be something that they are not.  The Japanese products from years ago were in fact, mostly junk, everyone knew that and made fun of that.  But the Japanese adapted.....figuring out how to build better and better products.  Their success pushed, for example, the American car industry to make a choice....either start building better cars to compete with their Japanese competitors, or lose marketshare.  If forced a lot of the industries to improve their products because most people would rather spend their hard earned money for a quality product than to spend the same amount, maybe more, on inferior products.  It's reality.  You can love it, you can hate it, or you can just ignore it....but the bottom line is that the available product choices of many things have improved tremendously over the years.  The Chinese are going through that very same thing right now, that the Japanese did 50 years ago.  They will improve also....which will, in the end, cause the American industry to improve their products to a higher quality.....or they will fall behind and lose marketshare.

Also, most forget (or don't know) that until 2012 the Honda Goldwing was built in Marysville Ohio, which last time I checked was in the USA...

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« Reply #95 on: January 02, 2018, 04:10:06 PM »
Look around you next time at a stop light.

You will see about 10% of the cars are from American companies. Every year it gets less and less.

Yes. You guys are correct. The American motorcycle is on it's way to being one of those things we fondly remember like your favorite Schwinn bicycle.

 GM is financially upside down with benefit obligations, Chrysler should have been allowed to die instead of increasing the national debt with it's declining sales. Ford will hang on for a while and then will finally go the same way as Sears will this year or next.   (except for the Iphone..mfg. in China) American's product marketplace (GNP) is shrinking more and more every day.

  Just read your comments.....  IMO,    the writing is on the walls...It's all over for American vehicle manufactures.    :-X 

Confidence is gone from American products,  and foreign companies will pounce on the weakness of American makers in this "World Economy".

 Look around America,  once an industry is gone...it's gone forever,  the town becomes another ghost town with a story,  or an assembly plant for some foreign company.

In the 'World Economy'....Do you think the Chinese or Japanese also feel competition is great for everybody ? 

 ;D  ...In the background I can hear Don Meredith singing.... " The Party's over".

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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #96 on: January 02, 2018, 05:44:05 PM »
See if you can pick out the products made in the USA:

While you are sitting on your couch watching the grandkids open their Christmas presents, a Wilson football and some K-Nex toys, your wife is in the kitchen making cookies using her new Kitchen Aid mixer. Of course you are on your computer that has Intel chips installed. You put down your tablet and pick up your Crayola Crayons and start a letter to your congress person on a Post-it note. You hear your wife opening the new Sub Zero fridge in the kitchen. It is so comfortable sitting in front of the fireplace with Duraflame logs burning. Now the wife is making a racket getting the Pyrex glassware out. Oh no, she dropped one. Time to get out the Oreck XL vacuum and clean up the mess.
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #97 on: January 02, 2018, 06:07:51 PM »

The Japs killed everyone.   and they also killed factory sponsored Flat Track racing.   (you can't shift,  if your shifter is in the dirt).


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racing flat track back then we could not down shift once you hit 4th gear you had to stay in it except on tt races. the first time i raced a yamaha i almost blew it up trying to shift the brake lever.
the Japanese didn't kill anything they simply built a better mouse trap and advertised it
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #98 on: January 02, 2018, 07:16:41 PM »
And then... the Chinese take that great little Orek vacuum and start selling an exact copy at Walmart for half the price....(and advertise it).
... those little Oreks are friggen expensive...I bought one.


Beaverfever....In the early days, (pre 69) Flat track bikes didn't have any brakes (same as Speedway racing today).....it was only after a couple bad pit accidents AMA allowed brakes.

then...they found they could actually go faster with a front brake on the bike, you just tap it and it pitches the bike sideways into the turn,... at 100 mph.  :o
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #99 on: January 03, 2018, 09:09:22 AM »
Also, most forget (or don't know) that until 2012 the Honda Goldwing was built in Marysville Ohio, which last time I checked was in the USA...



So,  When (or if) you ever ride your shiny new Honda in a Veterans Day or 4th of July parade,  it's totally cool to put little American flags all over it ?

 or would you get a beer bottle thrown at you for being dumb ?..  ...( that's probably what I would do  8) )
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Re: Motorcycle Question
« Reply #100 on: January 03, 2018, 02:32:50 PM »
Oh dear, here we go again. Some folks are just determined to take the discussion downhill.

FWIW I owned a number of motorcycles in the UK (wouldn't trust myself on one nowadays), and lived through the demise of the British motorcycle industry in the 60's and 70's. The first time a Japanese motorcycle showed up at the Isle of Man TT races, it had an 18-speed transmission (aka gearbox), lost every race, and was ridiculed. The following year, Japanese bikes won every race, and that was the beginning of the demise.
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