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2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« on: January 11, 2018, 01:29:27 PM »
I have a 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L with a 157" Wheelbase total towing cap is 9600.  My 2018 FR Salem 32BHDS weighs 7950 dry.  Am I ridiculous for expecting my truck to haul this?  I plan on putting on a transmission cooler and possible aftermarket rear shocks because it really squats my truck...

What are your thoughts 
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 01:43:56 PM »
My 2 cents: that will be too much payload for that truck...that TT will have a loaded weight of at least 10,000lb (the GVWR is 11,000) >> hitch weight of 1000-1200lb (or more).

I know someone with the same truck and a 28 foot 8000lb TT and he manages to drive it with standard equipment and a basic WDH (but he wouldn't go any bigger with his setup). Shocks, air bags, Timbrens, LT tires, and the best WDH may make it driveable.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 05:24:56 PM »
At 36 feet long and a min of 9000lbs the tail will wag the dog please do yourself a favor and step up to a 2500 series as a min, a 3500 series is only a couple hundred bucks more
The payload on that 1/2 ton is only about 1300 lbs thats you kids misses dog and the hitch on the trailer which will be 1000 lbs min once loaded - if you hook it up you will see the ass end drag - look for cargo cap stickers drivers side door jam

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2018, 07:23:14 PM »
As Steve said, find the yellow border placard on the driver door latch post.  It will tell you the "maximum weight of passengers and cargo shall not exceed  XXXX pounds.

This limit is real!  As stated, it must include the weights of driver and all passengers and pets, any cargo in the truck PLUS 80 lb for a WD hitch PLUS hitch wt of the camper, which will be 1000 lb  or more.  You will almost certainly be overweight by several hundred pounds!  The tail (TT) WILL wag the dog (truck).  Forget about the literature claim of a much smaller hitch wt.  That is for an empty trailer - no propane, water, or any other cargo.  That is NOT how you will tow the camper.

Another way to look at this - that 9600 lb tow limit assumes only a driver and one passenger at 150 lb each. No cargo. No options above base model standard equipment.  Every pound of options, passengers or cargo above that 300 lb MUST be deducted, pound for pound.  Further, when you load the TT to go camping, the TT alone will be 9600lb or more!  In short, overloaded.

Get a F250 or for VERY little more, upgrade to a F350.  You will be MUCH happier!
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2018, 07:30:38 PM »
"the limit is real"....or what ? 

This discussion always starts WW3 with the 'Yellow sticker police' on this forum.  (I think they're salesmen at truck dealerships  ;))

the truck is likely out of warranty now and you are not using it for commercial purposes so you no longer need the approval of a door sticker for anything. 

Beef up the rear as needed,  Hook it up and give it a try.. see if you like it before you run out and spend $40k for a new truck.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 07:47:46 PM »
Ford's website uses a 150lb person at each seating position to determine CCC (for 2017 vehicles). The OP does not tell us what cab he has. I am assuming it is not a regular cab. If so and he has a basic model his CCC will be between 1600 and 1800 lbs. A base model 3.5 EcoBoost single cab 4x2 with tow package and the right rear end will have a tow rating of 12,200lbs and payload over 3000lbs. I would posit not too many folks here would purchase this truck. Not enough bling in it.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 11:14:47 PM »
"the limit is real"....or what ? 

This discussion always starts WW3 with the 'Yellow sticker police' on this forum.  (I think they're salesmen at truck dealerships  ;))

the truck is likely out of warranty now and you are not using it for commercial purposes so you no longer need the approval of a door sticker for anything. 

Beef up the rear as needed,  Hook it up and give it a try.. see if you like it before you run out and spend $40k for a new truck.


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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2018, 06:02:15 AM »
Ford's website uses a 150lb person at each seating position to determine CCC (for 2017 vehicles). The OP does not tell us what cab he has. I am assuming it is not a regular cab. If so and he has a basic model his CCC will be between 1600 and 1800 lbs. A base model 3.5 EcoBoost single cab 4x2 with tow package and the right rear end will have a tow rating of 12,200lbs and payload over 3000lbs. I would posit not too many folks here would purchase this truck. Not enough bling in it.

That highlighted information is 100% WRONG.  Somewhere about 2015 or so, not even the DRIVER is included in the payload capacity of the truck.....not even a 150 lb driver as in years past.  The payload capacity is based on the weight of the truck, as built, with a full tank of fuel.......NO Driver, NO passenger, NO cute little puppy dogs, NOTHING....except the weight of the truck as built and a full tank of fuel. 

Maximum Payload Weight Rating(1)

(1) Weight for driver and passengers must be deducted.


This ^^^^ makes perfect sense, your statement makes no sense whatsoever.  Let's imagine two different families using your scenario to calculate their payload capacity.  Let's also imagine the the "fat family" as family number one.  Dad weight 350 lbs, Mom is a little on the overweight size too...275.  Now lets take a peek at both kids.....son is following in Dads footsteps and weighs in at 225 lbs, the daughter, helps her self to food whenever she wants and she tips the scale at 250 lbs.  The son likes to take his friend Bubba along when they go, so lets add Bubba's weight in the too 235.....remember, these are all seated and belted passengers in the truck.  Total driver/passenger weight....1335 lbs.

Now lets look at family #2....Dad is coming in at 195 lbs, Mom is weighing in at 140, Son....165, Daughter...120, Son's friend Bubba Jr.....170......Total weight......790 lbs.

Difference between Family #1 and Family #2 =  545 lbs

Since there is such a disparity between weights and number of passengers carried, there is NO WAY a manufacturer....not Ford, not GMC, not Ram, not any of them are going to suggest that you use the belted number of passengers to be included in the payload capacity sticker.  EVERY PERSON and every bit of cargo has to be deducted from the weight capacity that is posted on the sticker.

NOTE:  The above example is not pointing fingers at anyone's weight....it is only used to show/illustrate the significant differences in how a truck is loaded by different people and different scenarios
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2018, 07:21:32 AM »
Ford's website uses a 150lb person at each seating position to determine CCC (for 2017 vehicles). The OP does not tell us what cab he has. I am assuming it is not a regular cab. If so and he has a basic model his CCC will be between 1600 and 1800 lbs. A base model 3.5 EcoBoost single cab 4x2 with tow package and the right rear end will have a tow rating of 12,200lbs and payload over 3000lbs. I would posit not too many folks here would purchase this truck. Not enough bling in it.

Xrated beat me to it - years ago this was correct but at some point they dropped the 150lb driver because they realized that most people (men in this case who drive pickup trucks - yes its a stereotype - Fords words not mine- weight over 150lbs ) HOWEVER all fluids including a full tank of gas are exempt from the weight capacity as the truck leave the assembly line.

The weight of the vehicle including standard equipment, oil, lubricants and a full tank of fuel (less fuel on F-650/F-750 models). It does not include the weight of driver, passengers, cargo or any optional or aftermarket equipment
FORDS WEBSITE 2011


If you read the fine print xrated is correct again

However if you read the fine print on the 2011f150 brochure you will find a range of payloads from 1000 to 3000 lbs for that year of truck with that wheel base and motor combo in a 4x2 again though that is for a BASE model -i doubt you have a base 4x2

https://www.ford.com/services/assets/Brochure?make=Ford&model=F-150&year=2011&postalCode=79705

This shows you exactly how pay is calculated and is the Ulimate in difinitve answers

https://www.ford.com/services/assets/Brochure?make=Ford&model=F-150&year=2011&postalCode=79705


This last link shows you EXACTLY how every option reduces payload right down to the lb per item
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2018, 07:52:03 AM »
Xrated and steveblonde I just cut and pasted from Ford.com:

Cargo Weight Rating shown in chart is maximum allowable, assuming weight of a base vehicle with required camper option content and a 150-lb. passenger at each available seating position
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2018, 07:55:19 AM »
Xrated and steveblonde I just cut and pasted from Ford.com:

Cargo Weight Rating shown in chart is maximum allowable, assuming weight of a base vehicle with required camper option content and a 150-lb. passenger at each available seating position
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May i see the link please? If im wrong i like to know - thanks steve


Edit gator what you are refering to i think is on the ford site they state the max load of a slide in camper base on if there were 150lb people at all seats ie 5 people 5 seats = 750 the max camper you may then load is. X if you have Hd payload package etc However this again is based on a bare bones base model before options on the truck and is not meant to be used as payload caculator because of the way the weight is distributed

https://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/Ford_Linc_18RVTTowGuide_r2_Nov27.pdf
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2018, 08:34:37 AM »
nn

May i see the link please? If im wrong i like to know - thanks steve


Edit gator what you are refering to i think is on the ford site they state the max load of a slide in camper base on if there were 150lb people at all seats ie 5 people 5 seats = 750 the max camper you may then load is. X if you have Hd payload package etc However this again is based on a bare bones base model before options on the truck and is not meant to be used as payload caculator because of the way the weight is distributed

https://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/Ford_Linc_18RVTTowGuide_r2_Nov27.pdf

Yes I was referring to the slide in camper chart. If you look at my previous post I did reference a base truck with single cab when stating tow and payload capacity. I will say I think the OP is very close to his max rating. Somebody suggested he hook up his fully loaded trailer and drive it around and see how it handles and stops. I saw a YouTube video of a guy towing a 14,000lb trailer with with a 150 ecoboost. He said it handled just fine. I would not suggest the OP tow or not tow with his truck. Not my job. Many folks on this forum have said you can't have too much truck. I asked some if that is the case then why aren't you driving Peterbuilts or Freightliners. The answer was they can not afford them. If that is the case folks should be advising others to get the truck you can afford then look for trailers your truck can tow. Nothing worse than getting into this hobby only to realize you cannot afford it.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2018, 08:40:13 AM »
 yep,  you can't be too safe ... better get a Freightliner.

 do you guys actually weigh passengers before they get in ?   ::)   the airlines don't even do that . 
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2018, 09:13:26 AM »
One possible source of confusion might be what is shown in Ford's advertising or various cargo guides vs the weight shown on the "yellow sticker" (federal Tire and Loading placard), which is calculated per federal (FMVSS) regulations.   The federal tire & loading sticker specifically requires that the weight capacity shown be "combined cargo & occupants".  That is not really subject to interpretation.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2018, 09:16:06 AM »
exactly Gary.   Wheel/tire rating is the most important thing. and they can be changed.

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2018, 09:24:06 AM »
This was copied and pasted from the Ford website....

Maximum Payload Weight Rating(1)

(1) Weight for driver and passengers must be deducted.

Here is the document....and you need a PDF reader to see it when you click on the link.....
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2017/2017_F-250_F-350_F-450_SD_Pickups_-_Specs.pdf

Page 26 gives you the info you need.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2018, 09:25:40 AM »
yep,  you can't be too safe ... better get a Freightliner.

do you guys actually weigh passengers before they get in ?   ::)   the airlines don't even do that .

I might, if I needed to, but my actual payload, as built with a full tank of fuel is 5170 lbs.....so, I probably won't have to worry about it.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2018, 09:31:18 AM »
shaunsmo can legally do whatever he likes, but he asked for advice so various opinions are to be expected.

It's my personal opinion that his truck will be unsatisfactory for that size trailer.  The Salem 32BHDS will be upwards of 9000 lbs when loaded for travel, plus he will have a hitch and some passengers and gear in the truck.   At best, it will be marginal on both trailer tow capacity and cargo capacity.

The 9600 lb tow rating is without an option upgrades, per this advice from Ford in its towing table for 2011:
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Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight assumes a towing vehicle with any mandatory options, no cargo, tongue load of 10-15% (conventional trailer) or king pin weight of 15-25% (5th-wheel trailer) and driver only (150 pounds). Weight of additional options, passengers, cargo and hitch must be deducted from this weight.

shaunsmo also noted that "it really squats my truck", which is hardly surprising.  A 9000 lb trailer puts at least 900 lbs on the hitch and maybe as much as 1100. Adding in hitch and passengers in the truck will surely put it close to or over the truck cargo capacity.  It is my belief that operating an F150 class truck at its max limits is at best an uncomfortable ride and at worst a harrowing "white knuckle" experience. If done on a regular basis, it will also result in accelerated wear & tear.

Upgrading shocks will do little for either ride or handling, but helper springs (air or metal) might reduce the squat and stiffen up the response when the trailer tries to push the truck around, e.g. when a semi passes.

I'll also opine that 36 ft of trailer is a lot of "tail" on a light truck with the F150's car-like susension. It is engineered for ride comfort more than heavy hauling.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2018, 09:35:35 AM »
One possible source of confusion might be what is shown in Ford's advertising or various cargo guides vs the weight shown on the "yellow sticker" (federal Tire and Loading placard), which is calculated per federal (FMVSS) regulations.   The federal tire & loading sticker specifically requires that the weight capacity shown be "combined cargo & occupants".  That is not really subject to interpretation.

If you are buying a truck from an individual you only have to look at one "yellow sticker" To know if the truck will do. If you go to a dealership you would have to look at all the "yellow stickers" until you found the truck suited for your needs. If you order a truck you will not know the actual tow rating until the vehicle arrives and you can study the "yellow sticker".


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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2018, 09:36:53 AM »
For years my Grandparents safely pulled their fully loaded 30' travel trailer all over the U.S. Mexico and Canada with a 440 c/i V8 4 door Dodge Polaris ....No yellow sticker and it wasn't even a truck.
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2018, 09:47:56 AM »
For years my Grandparents pulled their fully loaded 30' travel trailer all over the U.S. and Canada with his 440 c/i V8 4 door Dodge Polaris ....No yellow sticker and it wasn't even a truck.

Nothing against your Grandparents, but there are a LOT of people that tow overloaded, they just happen to be one of many!  If you don't know any  better, it's pretty easy to think that it's OK.  If you DO know better and do it anyway, shame on you!  I'm sure that most everyone on here can cite or know someone that tows overloaded, but as a responsible forum member here, I for one will try my best to inform and educate someone that asks a question about their particular truck/trailer combo, as best I can.
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2018, 10:01:37 AM »
Grampa was a 30 year tandem trailer produce truck driver that delivered oranges up the California coast. I think he knew what he was doing.

but...Those were the days before labels like this were needed ..... :)


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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2018, 10:03:07 AM »
If you are buying a truck from an individual you only have to look at one "yellow sticker" To know if the truck will do. If you go to a dealership you would have to look at all the "yellow stickers" until you found the truck suited for your needs. If you order a truck you will not know the actual tow rating until the vehicle arrives and you can study the "yellow sticker".

That's not true either.  If ordering a truck, the dealership can use the available information that they have to calculate the amount of ARC weight that will be added to the truck when it is built......that is, if you have a dealer that knows how to use and calculate the base weight AND the ARC weight correctly.  When the truck comes in, the yellow/white payload sticker should be within a few pounds of the calculated weight number that the dealer figured for you.  And lets face it, if it's 10-15 lbs less payload than what you wanted when your ordered the truck, you ordered too small of a truck.
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2018, 10:06:27 AM »
Grampa was a 30 year tandem trailer produce truck driver that delivered oranges up the California coast. I think he knew what he was doing.

but...Those were the days before labels like this were needed ..... :)

Again, no disrespect to your Grampa, but I seriously think he didn't know what he was doing to pull that much trailer behind a car.  It's not relevant now, as I would guess that those days are long gone.  But the O.P. is still seeking valuable, correct, and pertinent information about his towing needs....and that's where I've been going with my posts.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2018, 10:07:50 AM »
Hey everyone...  I really do appreciate the discussion.  I am going to go ahead and take the advice and keep my F-150 (Cant give up my baby) however I will be purchasing a used F250/350 to pull the camper. 

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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2018, 10:12:47 AM »
That's not true either.  If ordering a truck, the dealership can use the available information that they have to calculate the amount of ARC weight that will be added to the truck when it is built......that is, if you have a dealer that knows how to use and calculate the base weight AND the ARC weight correctly.  When the truck comes in, the yellow/white payload sticker should be within a few pounds of the calculated weight number that the dealer figured for you.  And lets face it, if it's 10-15 lbs less payload than what you wanted when your ordered the truck, you ordered too small of a truck.

If this is correct why can't you go to a dealership and ask if they have a truck, outfitted with your options with X payload that can tow X. If you can sit down at the dealer and order such a truck shouldn't they have a database with the parameters I mentioned above? Or do they? If look on a Ford or Chevy or Dodge dealers web site, I have to rely on the companies (Ford.com, etc) to get some idea of what a particular truck will tow and that trucks payload. So you do have to visit the dealership and check all the yellowvstickers on all the trucks you are interested in to find the one that fits your needs.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2018, 10:25:52 AM »
If you are buying a truck from an individual you only have to look at one "yellow sticker" To know if the truck will do. If you go to a dealership you would have to look at all the "yellow stickers" until you found the truck suited for your needs. If you order a truck you will not know the actual tow rating until the vehicle arrives and you can study the "yellow sticker".

Please dont laugh too much at me - but when i bought this latest truck a 2017 f350 dually thats exactly what i did. I looked at every dually they had at the door decal and at the window sticker to find the right combo for me. Reason being the door decal varied by more than 750 lbs depending on options. And the dealership took possesion of a identical F450 to my F350 same options same colour same  everything,
Here is the other butt
The 450 because of its lower gear 4.10 to my 3.55 and the fact its payload is 500lbs less than my 350 was enough for me to buy the 350 even though i could have had the 450 cheaper
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2018, 10:39:12 AM »
If this is correct why can't you go to a dealership and ask if they have a truck, outfitted with your options with X payload that can tow X. If you can sit down at the dealer and order such a truck shouldn't they have a database with the parameters I mentioned above? Or do they? If look on a Ford or Chevy or Dodge dealers web site, I have to rely on the companies (Ford.com, etc) to get some idea of what a particular truck will tow and that trucks payload. So you do have to visit the dealership and check all the yellowvstickers on all the trucks you are interested in to find the one that fits your needs.

It's correct, but here's the rub.  A lot of dealers are just to lazy to go through that amount of work for a sale.  The average truck salesman is just that....a salesman.  He knows colors, options on packages, rebates that may be in effect, and all the "normal" stuff.  The dealerships that cater to folks that need a truck to work with....towing trailers for construction, business, RVs, etc. will have "fleet salesmen".  These are the guys that know how to use the available information to get you exactly what you need for your towing capabilities.  The fleet salesman or fleet manager make their living by knowing just what to order and how to spec it out for the exact need of the customer.  And the good ones make a very good living doing just that.  They know that when they place an order for a truck that has to be exactly what Mr. Customer, business owner, construction superintendent, or even the RV owner that has specific needs, they HAVE to be correct and that is the difference between a car/truck salesman and a fleet guy....either salesman or manager.  So, it can be done, you just have to go to the right person to get it correct.  The car/truck sales guy is going to talk "purdy stuff" to you....the fleet guy is going to talk payload, towing capacities, GVCWRs, and all the stuff that a specific truck can do for you.  Many of us aren't even aware that within the dealership, there are guy (or gals) that are dedicated to that kind of buyer.....we just talk to the first salesman that approaches us on the lot and work with them....and we assume that they know what they are doing, because they are "truck salesmen"!

I sold new Ford cars and truck for a living for a while and I was a car/truck salesman.  I was instructed  that if I had a potential buyer come in, and it was my turn on the floor to work with that customer, and he needed a truck like what I've been referring to, I was to take him to our fleet manager and introduce them so that the fleet manager could get him fixed up with exactly what he wanted.  I certainly didn't know all of the ins and outs of the heavy truck side of sales, so why risk screwing something up and making an uphappy customer out of it....take him to the fleet manager.....the guy that knows what he's doing with that type of truck request.  Of course if that happened, and I had to turn over a customer to the fleet guy, it didn't cause me to "lose my turn" on the sales floor, I went back to the front of the line and tried to work with the next customer that came in.  It was a win/win for me and the dealership.
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2018, 10:45:36 AM »
Again, no disrespect to your Grampa, but I seriously think he didn't know what he was doing to pull that much trailer behind a car.  It's not relevant now, as I would guess that those days are long gone.  But the O.P. is still seeking valuable, correct, and pertinent information about his towing needs....and that's where I've been going with my posts.

I've been a licensed CDL-A driver for about 40 years and I don't think you completely understand trailer towing.

with a proper brake controller, you can safely tow a 30' trailer with good riding lawn mower 
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2018, 10:47:06 AM »
I don't think you completely understand trailer towing ... and what a proper load distribution and load level hitch can do.

with a proper brake controller, you can safely tow a 30' trailer with good riding lawn mower

Just so you know, I'm not going to engage in that kind of foolish nonsense that you just posted.
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