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TonyDtorch

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2018, 10:49:01 AM »
Just so you know, I'm not going to engage in that kind of foolish nonsense that you just posted.

I understand, I guess there are people that are even afraid to cut the labels off of their pillows ... ::)

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2018, 10:56:27 AM »
I sold new Ford cars and truck for a living

Told you.




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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2018, 10:58:32 AM »
Moderators, please don't lock this topic. There is some good information and I would posit there are more folks out there with experiences to share about purchasing their tow vehicle and how it has performed since the purchase.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2018, 11:25:42 AM »
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If this is correct why can't you go to a dealership and ask if they have a truck, outfitted with your options with X payload that can tow X. If you can sit down at the dealer and order such a truck shouldn't they have a database with the parameters I mentioned above? Or do they?

As xrated says, the dealer has the tools to do that, both on the computer and in the form of a paper calculation worksheet (see this 2016 version for an example: https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2016/16_TruckPayload_SB_v5.pdf). The problem is sales people trained to use them and willing to make the effort. Most are focused on buyers that are looking for cool equipment or big engines or other trait and don't know or care about serious truck specs.

Some years ago when truck shopping I encountered only two Ford dealers who had sales staff that knew what I was talking about and willing to work on it. The others just wanted to show me a vehicle on the lot and clearly had no idea what towing and carrying they could do.  One dealer handled a lot of commercial trucks and had a separate sales department staffed with a couple folks who really knew trucks. At another, the sales lady listened to my tech talk and went to get another older sales guy who knew more about truck specs. He showed her how to look up the info and match it to their inventory (they didn't have anything suitable). At a Dodge dealer the sales guy took my spec list to his manager and the boss told him I obviously knew what I wanted, so to fill out a factory order sheet using my info and run it through the computer. The salesman asked a few additional questions to complete the order sheet and then entered it, and soon learned there was no truck like that in inventory anywhere local or at the factory lot.  The sales manager offered to order it for me at $100 over invoice, so that's what I did.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2018, 11:25:54 AM »
Technically nobody here is right or wrong , we all remember the Toyota commercial pulling the space shuttle, right?
So yes almost anything is possible . BUT there is a line between LEGAL, STUPID, IGNORANT  and missinformed

In my opinion saying yes you can do something when you know your giving bad advise just to play some sort of devils advocate to patheticaly childish and pottentially liable

So please for the sake of eveybodys safety use a little common sense when posting, i personally enjoy the banter and rediculous comments but some people may take it the wrong way and try something way way way out of their leagues.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2018, 11:50:20 AM »
Way back in 1998 my wife indicated she wanted to try living in an RV. We purchased a Chevy crew cab diesel. All the bells and whistles. We went to an RV dealership and chose the 5th wheel we wanted. The dealership said we would have to sign a waiver for them to sell us that RV and pull with that truck. Long story short I did a lot of research. Don't remember how because we didn't have a computer. I needed up with a Dodge 3/4 ton single cab 6 speed manual with the Cummins diesel. Payload was rated at 3900lbs and tow rating around 12,000-13,000 lbs. had a Jake brake installed. Truck handled everything we needed to do. I don't remember a yellow sticker. I paid $27,000 for the truck. Probably a lot of money in 1998.
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TonyDtorch

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2018, 12:00:21 PM »
This was unsafe ?   it had no yellow sticker, it was not a 3/4 ton truck ?  it rode like any car, (even loaded full of kids and dogs )

No one was killed,  and it worked fine for years. 

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2018, 06:17:56 PM »
This was unsafe ?   it had no yellow sticker, it was not a 3/4 ton truck ?  it rode like any car, (even loaded full of kids and dogs )

No one was killed,  and it worked fine for years.


Cool picture for sure and im glad everyone lived  we also did the same thing - but we learned from their mistakes too same as the neanderthols
But just because you did  it doesn't make it right or safe

Times change and you have to change with the times
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TonyDtorch

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2018, 07:03:17 PM »
I would like to here your explanation of what was illegal about that ?

where and when did you grow up ?   You never watched the Lucy and Desi camping trip?   ;D ;D ;D

  this is the way thousands of Americans traveled around this country in the 'olden days'. (aka. neanderthal days)



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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2018, 09:50:58 PM »
I was born in the sixties, by the time i was 10 i had traveled to every country in europe 2-3 times with my folks pulling a 1969 sprite muskateer european version travel trailer
Moved to western canada in 1973 may dad was the plant manager for scamper and skipper trailers.
On my 14 th birthday i got my learners permit and 3 months later i pulled our travel trailer with a 1975 ford ltd country squire stationwagon to sandiego andback 5000 mile road trip

I have been in the auto industry in various capacities for almost 40 years selling building designing everything from hot rods to lambos oil trucks to pickers and built the largest aftermarket truck accessories company in western canada
Cheers
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2018, 08:24:08 AM »
so what was illegal  ?

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2018, 08:31:56 AM »
I was born in the sixties, by the time i was 10 i had traveled to every country in europe 2-3 times with my folks pulling a 1969 sprite muskateer european version travel trailer
Moved to western canada in 1973 may dad was the plant manager for scamper and skipper trailers.
On my 14 th birthday i got my learners permit and 3 months later i pulled our travel trailer with a 1975 ford ltd country squire stationwagon to sandiego andback 5000 mile road trip

I have been in the auto industry in various capacities for almost 40 years selling building designing everything from hot rods to lambos oil trucks to pickers and built the largest aftermarket truck accessories company in western canada
Cheers

so what was illegal  ?

I grew up in Daytona Beach, FL. We had to walk 10 miles to school, uphill, in the snow. And that was the summer. In the winter we used to go to the beach and ice skate. Good times.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2018, 09:12:18 AM »
I grew up in Daytona Beach, FL. We had to walk 10 miles to school, uphill, in the snow. And that was the summer. In the winter we used to go to the beach and ice skate. Good times.

I love Florida a few years back we went swimming at Daytona Beach on Xmas day people thought we were nuts
This year xmas day it was -30 with the wind chill -41
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2018, 09:17:57 AM »
so what was illegal  ?

You tell me ? times have changed, rules have changed, vehicles have changed,
Europe was very heavily regulated by that time my dad actually used a bathroom scale to weight the hitch weight on the trailer so he wasnt over

Now we have to change with the times its called PROGRESS like it or not what you did then you cant do now get over it, nobody cares what we DID they care what we DO
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2018, 09:40:45 AM »
I agree with some of what is said about litigation in this article. Wouldn't it be in the auto manufacturers best interest to quell the idea that folks can tow with a passenger car. That way they can sell us a $70,000+ truck.

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/auto-biography/the-great-american-anti-towing-conspiracy/
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TonyDtorch

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2018, 10:02:14 AM »
I agree with some of what is said about litigation in this article. Wouldn't it be in the auto manufacturers best interest to quell the idea that folks can tow with a passenger car. That way they can sell us a $70,000+ truck.

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/auto-biography/the-great-american-anti-towing-conspiracy/
:))

it's an attempt by big business to require us to spend more money.

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2018, 10:35:26 AM »
:))

it's an attempt by big business to require us to spend more money.

While that may be true in part i also think that because of Americans propensity to file lawsuits at the very notion someone else may be a fault for something therefore mitigating their own liability may be partially at fault - everyone is covering their own butts 

However i do find it funny that a CRV is considered a capable tow vehicle in Europe over a Toad only in America so yes its also part perception.

And oh yeah the mighty buck $$$$$$$ rules everything
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TonyDtorch

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2018, 10:58:07 AM »
So back to the original post question..

Should he go buy a new truck ?

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2018, 11:18:46 AM »
So back to the original post question..

Should he go buy a new truck ?

Sure. Anything to keep the economy going. I'll give him 10 grand for the 150.
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TonyDtorch

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2018, 11:25:55 AM »
The F150 would be fine for me too,  but I'd rather buy Grampa's old wagon for $10k..

TonyDtorch

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2018, 11:40:12 AM »
While that may be true in part i also think that because of Americans propensity to file lawsuits at the very notion someone else may be a fault for something therefore mitigating their own liability may be partially at fault - everyone is covering their own butts 

The one part most 'Yellow sticker police'  forget is these Stickers really only apply for warranty and commercial purposes.

Your warranty is void if you exceed this labeled weight.
Commercial laws require you to be under this Labeled weight largely for road taxes. ( a company is always liable for safety, yellow sicker or not)

For the rest of the world. Warranty or not, We can take a sander and remove that Yellow Sticker and repaint the truck, cut/modify the suspension add axles to carry whatever you want, you can tow whatever you want.. (with the right license and as long as it's done safely in the eyes of a cop) .....and it's not illegal.

as a private citizen I'm just as liable no matter what I do with that vehicle. Yellow Sticker or not.

Whether or not you feel it's unsafe is really only true to you...just like riding a motorcycle/bicycle with or without a helmet. 

remember......" I'm from the government and I'm here to help you.".... For everyone's safety,  let's put this sticker on everything !         :)
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2018, 12:44:02 PM »
So back to the original post question..

Should he go buy a new truck ?

Seems like he's already got that question answered.....you were too busy getting off track of the subject at hand.

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  Hey everyone...  I really do appreciate the discussion.  I am going to go ahead and take the advice and keep my F-150 (Cant give up my baby) however I will be purchasing a used F250/350 to pull the camper. 

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TonyDtorch

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2018, 01:06:42 PM »
yeah,  I saw that when I re-read it.   but some other people could be still reading this.. :)

and it will likely come up again next time someone says  "HELP..Yellow Sticker !".

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2018, 09:43:58 AM »
My old man used to pull a 24' Boles Aero TT with a 4 door Lincoln Continental.  What most are overlooking is that the Continental and Grandpa's old wagon both probably weighed more than the trailers they were towing. 
Back then it was quite common to see a TT behind a big car or station wagon, but I don't think there's a passenger car made today that would tow much more than one of those Harbor Freight 4' fold up trailers successfully.
Of course that Continental didn't get 33 mpg either.
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TonyDtorch

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2018, 11:34:10 AM »
Those old cars were built like tanks, and so were many of the trailers. (although that Continental was likely a uni-body no frame car, one of the first to do that, and is standard practice in today's light weight cars) 

one of the biggest issues with cars towing today is the lack of a frame.

The Navigator or Suburban still works pretty well,  Chevy has a diesel passenger van that's very capable of towing longer trailers.

Pickup tucks are not mandatory for towing.  You can make your own car for towing too !
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2018, 08:36:15 AM »
C'mon Tony, that's not towing...that's dragging.  8)

This is towing:

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2018, 08:40:18 AM »
Oh, and for the record, that '65 Lincoln had a full frame.  From the looks of the pics I found, a frame at least as robust as any pickup below a 3/4 ton made today.
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TonyDtorch

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2018, 09:44:30 AM »
I don't know about that Wally,  According to my research it appears the Continental went unibody in 1961 and didn't get a separate frame again until 1970.
After that it was on the Ford LTD chassis.

  I've worked on several 'Kennedy' Continentals (61-69).  I was under there for days putting air bags on them,  they don't have a full frame.
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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2018, 06:06:32 PM »
hey guys check out the specs on this old Ford brochure...want to tow a 6k trailer with a Ford car....yep it will do that.

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/uncategorized/brochure-outtake-pulling-a-trailer-with-your-1973-ford/

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Re: 2011 Ford F150 EcoBoost 3.5L 157" Wheelbase
« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2018, 04:55:07 AM »
I don't know about that Wally,  According to my research it appears the Continental went unibody in 1961 and didn't get a separate frame again until 1970.
After that it was on the Ford LTD chassis.

  I've worked on several 'Kennedy' Continentals (61-69).  I was under there for days putting air bags on them,  they don't have a full frame.

Yeah, you're apparently right.  I had just googled pictures of a "'65 Lincoln frame" and got a couple of diagrams.  Further research shows that those were aftermarket stuff for those who would actually attempt to hot rod a 5000lb car.
I always wanted one, but never found one I could afford that was in good enough shape to buy.  Now, I don't think my coach would pull it.
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