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Ryan F

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Advice for family vacation with first TT
« on: January 14, 2018, 11:52:43 AM »
We are a family of four and looking to purchase a TT this spring. We are thinking about going to Disney World this summer, taking the TT and staying at Fort Wilderness campground. We live in Ohio so itís about a 900 mile drive each way.  We would be in the Orlando area around 2 weeks.  Have some concerns that this trip might be too long (miles and time) since we have no previous TT experience. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
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TonyDtorch

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2018, 12:16:01 PM »
my son wants a T/T and we've been looking at them.

It is said no trailer tows as well as an Airstream.  And almost every Airstream is safely tow-able with a 1/2 ton pickup truck. 

but Airstreams are expensive.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2018, 12:18:34 PM »
Welcome to the forum.

Before we give you any advice on a TT - WE would NEED to know what vehicle you plan on using to tow a TT.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2018, 12:21:28 PM »
I assumed he's got a 2017 1500 CMC as in his signature.
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Ryan F

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2018, 12:42:07 PM »
It looks like I wasnít completely clear in my initial post :) lol. I was asking if it would be a good idea to take that trip having no previous TT experience.

But for a TT, we are looking at the Highland Ridge Open Range Ultra Lite 2802BH.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2018, 12:44:44 PM »
Airstreams are amazingly nice but exoensive and very heavy if pulling with a 1/2 ton full of 4 people


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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2018, 01:08:11 PM »
Ryan,

Trailers are fairly easy to pull.  At the end of 900 miles you will be a pro.  If you have enough truck for the trailer you want, there should be no problem.  My husband and I pull a fifth wheel all over the place and I drive as much as he does.  As far as a long trip, 900 miles is a trek so plan on pulling over and resting.  Your family will have a blast!!  Fort Wilderness is a great place but don't expect to save much money.  Breakfast is where you will save.

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2018, 02:47:45 PM »
I think his truck has a towing cap of over 9k lbs...that should cover just about any Airstream. 

420 hp , 460 torque, curb weight of 5500 lbs. the trailer he wants is about 7500 lbs.

One of the first things an Airstream salesman told us is every trailer on this lot is towable with a modern 1/2 ton truck.   
there is even a 1/2 ton Ford 3.5 V6 Ecoboost that has a 13,200 conventional towing cap.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2018, 03:27:28 PM »
Disney would be a great destination for your first big trip. The sites have full hookups, everything you could need or want is nearby. No worries about the kids getting bored and whining about having nothing to do. The only downside that I can see is that you'll compare all future campgrounds to Disney.

Two days is good for a 900 mile trip. Plan on 50 MPH average when towing, which includes fuel and rest stops. Find a campground at about the halfway point that's close to the highway. I wouldn't recommend Walmart or a similar place for your first night on the road. Don't know how old the kids are, but a pool and playground are good for burning off energy.

Once you get your TT, camp out in the driveway for a couple of nights then weekends in nearby campgrounds. You'll be a pro in no time at all.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2018, 04:11:29 PM »
Basically did that trip a few years back. The drive is pretty good for pulling a TT -- the worst part is going through Atlanta. There are some big hills along the way but the trucks aren't doing 65 on them so you don't have to -- just keep up to the one in front. One thing to watch out for as you get further South (Georgia) is the afternoon thunderstorms -- they are no fun to drive, never mind tow, through and I would hit the first exit and wait them out.

I would plan for 3 days. It is surprisingly taxing on the body/mind when you are towing. I can easily drive a car 12 hours straight but 6 seems to be my limit. I stay in the slow lane and follow the trucks but you have to keep your mind in-gear and cruise control may not work well with your setup (mine didn't). If you start first thing in the morning, then you can finish early enough to find a campground along the way and set up in daylight. I'd also recommend taking advantage of the Interstate rest stops since it isn't always easy to figure out what exit is the best to find a restaurant that can handle your TV+TT (and you are hauling around a toilet and kitchen after all).

Fort Wilderness is a very nice campground and worth the money if you are doing DW. It is big so the pool, shuttle boat, or other amenities won't necessarily be within walking distance. We stayed there for a week and then moved to Tropical Palms Resort in Kissimmee while we did Universal and other parks. It was a very good deal in the summer (it's huge and caters to the snowbirds) and we enjoyed it as much as FW. It also is a short walk into Kissimmee which has a surprisingly interesting downtown -- more beach town like if you get tired of theme parks.

My biggest beef with camping around DW were the grocery stores   -- if you've heard the term "grocery desert", this is it. I ended up driving 10 miles north to a brand new Publix. (My other beef with DW was the roads/drivers in the park -- I'm a cyclist and assumed I could ride around the 25+ miles of road but the drive into FW cured me of that idea and I just did laps of the FW campground which sufficed.)
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2018, 05:26:44 PM »
Welcome to the Forum!      Let me try to answer your original question.

900 Miles is way too far to attempt to drive in one day TOWING A TT.  I have done it many times in the car, but not towing.  First, limit your speed to 65 mph or less.  Many TT tires are only rated for 65 mph.  Better (not good) fuel economy.  Much safer and better control of the rig.
If you average 60 mph for 8 hours, that is 480 miles, or  half way each travel day, and you will all be ready to get off the road for the day!!  Masspike suggests 5 hours at 60 mph for 3 day, 300 miles a day as his method.  I can not argue.  With younger kids, he will be right!

You will be using the camper as a place for breakfast, showers and sleeping.  The rest of the time, you will be out doing something.  Make sure it is big enough for those functions.  Remember only one person at a time in the bathroom unless you use the camp ground bath house!  ;D

One concern we always have is having enough truck to handle the load of a TT AND the family.  That has been addressed by others, and it appears you are okay.

I suggest buying a few year old used.  ALL new campers have "issues" that warranty will fix, but need fixed, and RV shops are notoriously slow to get them fixed.  Used will already have these things done.  Used cost less to start and depreciate less if you decide you hate camping or want something different.

Do a lot of reading about RV, such as here to get a better feel of what the RV life is like and MANY suggestions on how it is done more comfortably.

Ask lots of questions!

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Ryan F

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2018, 06:21:20 PM »
Thank you all for the feedback. It sounds like some of my concerns (break-in of a new TT, several days on the road each way, and inexperience) are pretty valid. Iím thinking we may wait to try Disney with a TT until weíve owned one for at least a year.

For those that asked, the towing capacity of my truck is 11,700 lbs.  The UT2802BH that we are looking at has a GVWR of 7,450 lbs. We want to get one that will be big enough for our family, but still not pushing the limit of the truck.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2018, 08:45:05 PM »
Thank you all for the feedback. It sounds like some of my concerns (break-in of a new TT, several days on the road each way, and inexperience) are pretty valid. Iím thinking we may wait to try Disney with a TT until weíve owned one for at least a year.

For those that asked, the towing capacity of my truck is 11,700 lbs.  The UT2802BH that we are looking at has a GVWR of 7,450 lbs. We want to get one that will be big enough for our family, but still not pushing the limit of the truck.

The cargo capacity on that truck is still only 1300-1400 lbs the hitch in the trailer is at least 750 lbs four people are probably close to 600lbs hitch is 75 your already pushing the limits of that truck to its max look at the yellow door decal drivers side door jam
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Ryan F

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2018, 09:28:30 PM »
The cargo capacity on that truck is still only 1300-1400 lbs the hitch in the trailer is at least 750 lbs four people are probably close to 600lbs hitch is 75 your already pushing the limits of that truck to its max look at the yellow door decal drivers side door jam

Iíve got the max tow pkg, so the cargo capacity is 1929lbs. I realize itís only a half-ton truck though.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2018, 10:08:17 PM »
Iíve got the max tow pkg, so the cargo capacity is 1929lbs. I realize itís only a half-ton truck though.


Is that the actual number on the decal or the brochure? It seems high but maybe im wrong my old chev 6.2 with the trailer package was only 1340 lbs, please dont look at the brochure/website as thats a bear bone no option number if you have a slt or denalli it will be at least 500lbs less than that 1900lbs
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2018, 10:37:04 PM »
My advice is to rent a TT before you buy. We rented a unit similar to what we wanted to purchase for a week in the Ozarks. You learn a lot really fast.

Plus, you give it back and have time to review you needs, before you spend the big bucks.

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2018, 11:21:04 PM »
Iíve got the max tow pkg, so the cargo capacity is 1929lbs. I realize itís only a half-ton truck though.

Ryan,   In the U.S. there is no 'Yellow Sticker"  absolute weight law,  in the non commercial towing world.

 If you can control that truck towing that trailer then it's perfectly legal to do so. You can add air bags or overload springs if you want to.  Tire weight rating is the important thing.

Go hook up that trailer and see how it feels, it's not illegal.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2018, 11:24:46 PM »
Ryan,   There is no 'Yellow Sticker" weight absolute law that applys in the non commercial towing world.

 If you can control that truck towing that trailer then it's perfectly legal to do so. You can add air bags or overload springs if you want to.  Tire weight rating is the important thing.

Go hook up that trailer and see how it feels, it's not illegal.


NO ITS NOT ILLEGAL JUST REALLY poor ADVISE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT YOUR LIABLE
TONY YOU ARE OUT OF LINE SHUT UP BEFORE SOMEONE GETS HURT

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2018, 11:34:07 PM »
 He's asking for opinions,  Everyone has one,   He's free to decide whatever he wants.  (you are liable for any accident that is your fault for any reason)

And yes Ryan...figure on an average of 350 to 400 miles per day towing.  Ohio as well as other states have a 55 mph speed limit towing,
 in SC the law is.. "A person driving a vehicle towing a house trailer must not drive faster than 45 mph". I can't imagine they enforce that law. ???

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Ryan F

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2018, 02:27:03 PM »

Is that the actual number on the decal or the brochure? It seems high but maybe im wrong my old chev 6.2 with the trailer package was only 1340 lbs, please dont look at the brochure/website as thats a bear bone no option number if you have a slt or denalli it will be at least 500lbs less than that 1900lbs

That is the actual number on the door sticker.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2018, 02:55:13 PM »
Hi there and welcome to the forum!

It's nice to see another young family on here as well. We are also brand new to this whole camping thing, but I will tell you, don't be intimidated with just jumping in. It is 100% accurate that you will learn by doing, and you will learn fast. If you bought your TT and did a couple small trips (we have stayed within a 2 hour radius of our home), you will gain the knowledge and confidence to do your Disney trip.

Don't wait another year of your kids' childhoods....just jump in!...and this forum is incredibly helpful, so don't hesitate to ask ALL your questions here.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2018, 03:01:31 PM »

NO ITS NOT ILLEGAL JUST REALLY STUPID ADVISE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT YOUR LIABLE
TONY YOU ARE OUT OF LINE SHUT UP BEFORE SOMEONE GETS HURT

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2018, 03:05:07 PM »
Just don't get what Dana has. He's pulling a 60' double wide.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2018, 05:16:23 PM »
That is the actual number on the door sticker.

cool thats really high for a 1500 gm and i must say im very very  suprised - i have never seen one so high but if it is that gives you a lot to play with.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2018, 05:28:23 PM »
You are learning all kinds of new stuff Steve..

A while ago,  you didn't know cars could tow travel trailers either.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2018, 05:49:23 PM »
First congrats on doing some research on your TV and TT, and having realistic expectations.  It's refreshing. :))
A soon as I read the title I said to myself, Oh boy here we go again. ;D

As far as your question, it's a good idea to take a few short trips with your trailer before heading on a long trip.
Be sure to get some highway/thruway travel in to get comfortable with towing on congested highways.  The common route to FL is heavily traveled.  There's a lot of small things with towing and setting up, that aren't complicated, but there is a learning curve.

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2018, 05:56:29 PM »
You are learning all kinds of new stuff Steve..

A while ago,  you didn't know cars could tow travel trailers either.

wrong again Tony we pulled a trailer all over europe up the swiss alps and the andes with a car  -15 countries 3 different times plus i pulled a trailer to San Diego when i was 14 with a Ford LTD Country Squire STATION WAGON  - try again my friend

besides i really want to see that door decal because thats a MONSTER payload for that truck and im all about learning something new
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2018, 06:19:22 PM »
besides i really want to see that door decal because thats a MONSTER payload for that truck and im all about learning something new

I believe 1929 is possible in the correct configuration.

GMC has the range of that vehicle with max tow at 1,650 to 2,250 lbs depending on options.
I would say they're not common, but they exist.

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2018, 06:23:37 PM »
Tony and steveblond need to get a room.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2018, 06:40:51 PM »
Here is the door decal
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2018, 06:44:25 PM »
I believe 1929 is possible in the correct configuration.

GMC has the range of that vehicle with max tow at 1,650 to 2,250 lbs depending on options.
I would say they're not common, but they exist.

Im not saying its impossible - given that the trucks today have a greater payload than even 2 yrs ago my 2010 ltz 6.2 with the hd package was a measly 1340 lbs so i really want to see how far they have come but even my ford has an actual payload of 1300lbs less than the brochure states
Inquiring minds wanna know lol
Soon 1/2 tons will out class 3/4 tons
Gm is bring back the 4500 and 5500 series trucks and a 1500 with a deisel so who knows is all very very cool
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2018, 06:46:30 PM »
Here is the door decal


Wow thank you that is AWESOME who would have thought it possible 5 yrs ago that is really cool

At the Detroit auto show the 19's are prommissing even more capabilities from all the big three
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2018, 06:54:08 PM »
Congratulations on your new adventure.  A couple of suggestions.   Hopefully, the TT comes with a weight distribution hitch and electric brakes.  If your truck is not set up for electric break you will nee to have that done before you get the TT.  If you are not used to towing, when you pick the trailer up, drive around a bit before going home.   Get used to having it behind you.  Notice the difference in braking distance.  If you are going to park at home, consider having an electrical outlet installed near the trailer that will allow you to plug in and run the electric.  I suspect you are 30 amp so you will want a 30 amp outlet.  Practice camping in your trailer.  Once the weather gets decent, go to a local campground for a weekend.  Do a complete set up so you can see what it is like.  This will help show you what you have forgotten to pack.   :)  We have all been there. If you have the time do an extended, three or four day trip.  Finally, make lists. Lots of lists, from what to pack to what you will eat on your trip.  A setup and teardown list is invaluable.  As me about forgetting to use a tear down list and driving off with the TV antenna up.  With a little prep you will be ready to tackle FL by this Summer.  Enjoy the trip.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2018, 07:02:10 PM »
First, 900 miles is 18 hours sitting in the truck. Is that going to work with your family. 2 days with 2 drivers and one asleep in the cab 3-4 days with one driver (I do 800 solo in about 2 days)

Make sure Truck is big enough.  Do not even look at the F-150 Class or Chevy 10.

Finally some general vacation advice

DO not try to cram 3 weeks of fun into a 2 week time slot, IT DOES NOT WORK.

What does work is 2 weeks of FUN in a 3 Week time slot, If you have an "Issue" or if you want to add an attraction. Not a problem. Even a day of rest fits in
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2018, 10:28:44 PM »
that should lock it.

Thanks Tony. I just wet myself a little.  :) :) :)
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2018, 09:08:32 AM »
Ryan F:


1. Ignore the bickering and name calling - while it happens from time to time, it's not the norm here.


2. Once you are comfortable towing the new TT, I say go for it. We've done a few longer trips from upstate NY including Bar Harbor ME (2 weeks), Myrtle Beach and Washington DC (1 week at each place), and Yellowstone (3 weeks). All of those trips included some loooong driving days and yes some of those days just plain sucked but the entire trips made it all worth it. We all made some lasting memories!
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2018, 09:30:40 AM »
Ryan F:


1. Ignore the bickering and name calling - while it happens from time to time, it's not the norm here.


2. Once you are comfortable towing the new TT, I say go for it. We've done a few longer trips from upstate NY including Bar Harbor ME (2 weeks), Myrtle Beach and Washington DC (1 week at each place), and Yellowstone (3 weeks). All of those trips included some loooong driving days and yes some of those days just plain sucked but the entire trips made it all worth it. We all made some lasting memories!

Take Joezeppy's advise and don't pay any attention to the back and forth. I don't how old steveblonde is but Tony and I are really old and hard to deal with.  I just have a hard time being quiet when I think someone is being bullied. That being said we have taken several trips with our grandkids and the TT. I used to drive 12-14 hours a day. I told my wife we were no longer going to do that. I would say take your time and enjoy the trip. If you try to get to your destination to quickly you and everyone else will be worn out before you get. Vacations are supposed to be relaxing and fun.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2018, 09:50:57 AM »
No the correct response was posted - but im sorry your a dick, yes i did belive him like  i said capabiliites have increased a ton my old  2010 1500 was 1300lbs , 1900 lbs is a 50 % increase in less than 7 years i find that realy realy cool. And i learnt something - did you?

What you don't realize is the engineers often reset the Yellow Sticker limits as they are primarily there to prevent excessive warranty costs. (it's all about money, not safety)  The actual limits of structural failure are far over the Yellow Sticker limits.

Tires are the biggest weight limiting factor.

Remember the Ford Explorer and the tire blowout lawsuits and nobody would hook even a rental trailer up to one...it was all because Ford cheaped out on the OEM tire size and recommended air pressure.  (But the Yellow Sticker said it was all good to go  ;D)
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2018, 10:25:03 AM »
What you don't realize is the engineers often reset the Yellow Sticker limits as they are primarily there to prevent excessive warranty costs. (it's all about money, not safety)  The actual limits of structural failure are far over the Yellow Sticker limits.

Tires are the biggest weight limiting factor.

Remember the Ford Explorer and the tire blowout lawsuits and nobody would hook even a rental trailer up to one...it was all because Ford cheaped out on the OEM tire size and recommended air pressure.  (But the Yellow Sticker said it was all good to go  ;D)

you are 100% correct no arguement from me - but herein lays the issue and insurance company/ manufacturer will find any reason they can to deny a claim PERIOD and if they approve a claim they will find a way to discount the payment.  Thereby screwing you every which way to sunday. 
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« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2018, 11:08:45 AM »
So, then you are freaking out about if,  you ever have an accident, ...and if it was your fault,  if there is an investigation by the insurance company (largely based on if a good accident report was done at the scene)...if They can find and prove criminal negligence in front of a jury and then if you should be held financially liable.

Wow !  That's way too much worrying about if for me.......

What about after you survive all that ... if you get hit by an asteroid  ?     ::)
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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2018, 12:34:15 PM »
its not just accidents its being pulled over and hassled - made to leave trailers and sled and atvs at the side of the road, they often use mobile scales to weight vehicles, also who wants the hassle. The BC   police are famous for pulling over people = its happened to people i know who have had vehicles impounded for being over weight - happened 2 years ago to a friend in IDAHO for pulling a 5er too big for his 2500 had the trailer impounded till he could unload stuff 400lbs worth of stuff
you need to look at the BIGGER picture 
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2018, 01:43:45 PM »
  I'm so thankful I don't live there.   Here in CA it's ....if there ain't no problem... then there ain't no problems.

hell,  1/2 the people driving are uninsured and can't speak English anyway.
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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2018, 01:53:31 PM »
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2018, 02:06:03 PM »
What would that 'IDAHO' cop say... if you taken your whole F150 body complete with the yellow door sticker and everything... and put it on top of a 2-1/2 ton military chassis ?

 In America, You are allowed to modify a non commercial truck (or car) to do whatever you want.

do you think that dumb cop would still make you unload 400 lbs ?   ;)
 
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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2018, 03:51:12 PM »
Obviously you dont get it and never will

That dumb cop as you call him has a portable set of scales and is there to enforce the law and in my friends case he was overweight his trailer was too heavy on the pin and was over his yellow label by 400 lbs - he was told to park and unhook - they then calked a towtruck and impounded his trailer he them removed stuff from the trailer and bought it to indian creek campground and then went back to pay the fine some $600 plus the tow bill about another $200 and was allowed to take off with his now lightened trailer.

This arguement is not ever going to end because you think because you drove a tractor trailer you know all the rules and maybe you do know something about the commercial world - this is not that world its kinda like saying because dope is legal in california and im from california i smoke dope legally in new york. They are worlds apart and i am relaying real world rv experiances and knowledge. As more and more places seek avenues for revenue you will see things like this occur. The legallity is only a part of the issue and you my friend dont get it and probably never will. Its got nothing to do with right or wrong its about money bottom line. So why temp fate if you do you pay its like speeding your gonna get caught sooner or later ( i hate speed limits when driving sports cars designed to do 200 mph and when i get caught which i eventually do i pay the tickets)
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2018, 03:51:59 PM »
I shall not comment further on this thread
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2018, 05:03:56 PM »
Thank you.

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2018, 07:17:54 PM »
 Welcome to the forum. In response to your original question, I personally donít think the trip to Disney World you were considering is unreasonable at all. As suggested by other responders to your post, two or three trial runs close to home would benefit your setup times and how the TT you buy and your tow vehicle handles.
  I donít have nearly as much experience as many of the other folks on this forum, but because of that I can still remember the nervousness I felt when we took our trailer our the first few times....and all the mistakes we made. Lol!
   One thing I learned right off the bat was all miles are not created equal. When I plan a trip, instead of deciding on how many miles I need to go per day, I look at what is in between my starting point and my final destination. Big cities, heavy traffic, mountains, bad weather......all these things affect my driving plan and the amount of fatigue I experience. I usually have alternate routes planned for ďjust in case scenariosĒ. For example, if I was planning the trip you originally posted about I would have planned stopping the first day just short of Atlanta and buzzing through there early the next morning before rush hour. Thatís because I know how the traffic in Atlanta can be. Next, I would have made another stop short of Disney World....like Valdosta, Lake City, somewhere like that. The last day you can leisurely cruise into Disney World with plenty of time to get set up and still have some time to explore the park if you wanted. On trips home, seems like Iím out of vacation mode and always seem to be able to make better time and travel further for some reason.
   Most of our trips are out west where the traffic is lighter and the roads get nice and straight. Wind can be an issue for sure, but in general it is a much more relaxing driving experience than anywhere in the east or southeast. But there are tons of really great campgrounds and things to see in those areas of the county, so we just sometimes suck it up and deal with it. 😄
   Happy travels to you and your family.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2018, 08:06:20 PM »
Welcome to the forum. In response to your original question, I personally donít think the trip to Disney World you were considering is unreasonable at all. As suggested by other responders to your post, two or three trial runs close to home would benefit your setup times and how the TT you buy and your tow vehicle handles.
  I donít have nearly as much experience as many of the other folks on this forum, but because of that I can still remember the nervousness I felt when we took our trailer our the first few times....and all the mistakes we made. Lol!
   One thing I learned right off the bat was all miles are not created equal. When I plan a trip, instead of deciding on how many miles I need to go per day, I look at what is in between my starting point and my final destination. Big cities, heavy traffic, mountains, bad weather......all these things affect my driving plan and the amount of fatigue I experience. I usually have alternate routes planned for ďjust in case scenariosĒ. For example, if I was planning the trip you originally posted about I would have planned stopping the first day just short of Atlanta and buzzing through there early the next morning before rush hour. Thatís because I know how the traffic in Atlanta can be. Next, I would have made another stop short of Disney World....like Valdosta, Lake City, somewhere like that. The last day you can leisurely cruise into Disney World with plenty of time to get set up and still have some time to explore the park if you wanted. On trips home, seems like Iím out of vacation mode and always seem to be able to make better time and travel further for some reason.
   Most of our trips are out west where the traffic is lighter and the roads get nice and straight. Wind can be an issue for sure, but in general it is a much more relaxing driving experience than anywhere in the east or southeast. But there are tons of really great campgrounds and things to see in those areas of the county, so we just sometimes suck it up and deal with it. 😄
   Happy travels to you and your family.

I certainly agree with most of the above. The one minor thing I like to do differently is to travel just past a major city at the end of my day. That way, in the morning, I am headed out of town unlike the zillion cars heading in.

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2018, 04:31:52 PM »
I certainly agree with most of the above. The one minor thing I like to do differently is to travel just past a major city at the end of my day. That way, in the morning, I am headed out of town unlike the zillion cars heading in.

I completely agree.  Also, avoid major cities if you can
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2018, 11:22:29 PM »
Well the OP should have a good idea of what to look for.

My 5000 lb. TT crosses the CAT scales at 6200 lbs. and 750 tongue weight when loaded for the road. My F-150 max cargo is 1411 lbs. so with two adults, a dog and some gear I am maxed out.

The thing to keep in mind is that everybody camps differently. Some use KOA or other full service camp grounds with pool and game rooms, others find State Parks with electric only suitable not to mention the boon dockers. 

But a few things are fairly common.
* Expect 10 mpg for gas mileage perhaps a but less at times.
* 250 to 300 miles a day are the norm. Some folks on a tighter vacation schedule push for more.
* 55 to 65 mph is also the norm. I find a sweet spot at 62 mph.
* You will be assed by everything on the road; nobody likes to follow a trailer, even other folks pulling their camper.
* Wind and passing truck buffets are normal. Annoying at time but part of towing.
* Everybody's idea of RV camping is different. So one person's perfect spot may not appeal to another.

As I suggest previously, rent a TT with the size and floor plan you think you want. If it is a good fit you can buy your TT with confidence. If your rental is not a good fit you have no spent the big bucks. Renting goes a long way towards preventing buyers remorse.     

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2018, 07:04:43 AM »
We are a family of four and looking to purchase a TT this spring. We are thinking about going to Disney World this summer, taking the TT and staying at Fort Wilderness campground. We live in Ohio so itís about a 900 mile drive each way.  We would be in the Orlando area around 2 weeks.  Have some concerns that this trip might be too long (miles and time) since we have no previous TT experience. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

We live in Delaware and made the trip to Disney, towing our little 17' TT, in Nov 16. It's about 950 miles. We drove about halfway then stayed at a Walmart parking lot. We got to Orlando a day early and stayed in a hotel checking into Ft Wilderness the next day. Checking into Ft Wilderness was a goat rope. They didn't seem to have their act together. We parked the trailer in overflow and went to the park and checked into the CG later. Do not purchase tickets to Disney on the road. Go online and purchase your tickets. we were sent our armbands and reservations at restaurants via mail. You can take food and drinks into the park. We packed a lunch each day. Take some kind of wagon or other vehicle to tote your stuff around. I use a walker if I have to walk much so we carried our bags and lunches on the walker. My wife did not take her purse into the park. I carried her ID in my wallet. You will not need money in the park. Everything can be purchased via your armband. If you are going to be there 2 weeks you will be able to easily plan for going to the park on some days and then relaxing in the CG on other days. Believe me when I say you spend a day at Disney, you are going to be beat the end of the day. We purchased a four day park hopper. There are several parks within Disney. Each one easily takes a day, maybe more, to get through. Plan, plan, plan. This is an expensive vacation that can be ruined by not planning correctly. Be aware, you go in the summer and there will be a lot of folks at Disney. We are not planners. We like to do things last minute. I would not do that for Disney. I hope you go. I don't think you will regret it. Have fun and happy trails!
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2018, 04:54:11 PM »
Ryan F...

Good luck with your new TT purchase.  I, too, have the Open Range 2802BH and couldn't be happier.  We bought it November 2016 and camped 12 times in the first year.  My opinion is similar to others.  If you can make a quick local trip before heading to FL, that would be great.  Otherwise, enjoy your 2 weeks and go make some great memories with your family.

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2018, 05:04:11 PM »
Told ya it'd be okay... ;)

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2018, 11:04:51 AM »
Whenever I read comment like this is unsafe or illegal or dangerous I can only shake my head.

I learned a long time ago that one person's "white knuckle scary ride" is another annoying wind or road or truck or whatever condition.

Novice or seasoned driver, the rig combo is bad when it is bad for you. It may be perfectly acceptable for the next person.

We hear horror stories about driving in the mountains, deserts, wind, snow etc. They can be a challenge and some will prefer to wait it out, while other prefer to drive out of it. My tolerance for conditions is pretty high but I am not pulling a 13 ft. high 40 ft. 5ver. When it is bad I slow down when it is very bad I stop; but that is based on my comfort zone no someone else's.

Be safe

   

       

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2018, 12:50:22 PM »
Yes, Whenever I read about the intolerance of a different opinion ...I can only shake my head.    (ie. The last election  ;) ).

If it ain't illegal,  then it's just someone's opinion.   

Heck,   I see traumatized people get off of  'white knuckle scary rides'....  at Disneyland.   
 
Everyday car drivers..(even the ones that live and breath every Govt. Safety Sticker)  need to remember ! .... An RV is not a large Minivan.

Slowing down is the safest thing you could ever do.....you do not need to be going 70+ mph in any large RV.

Be safe no mater what you drive... :)

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #56 on: February 01, 2018, 05:37:31 PM »
This used to be such a nice forum, free of fighting.  This is the second thread that I've read that makes me wonder why to bother. 

Ryan,  I'm in a similar boat.  I have two young kids.  I bought a 13 F-150 with the max tow package a couple years ago with the intent of eventually buying a travel trailer.  I've towed my father in law's 28' bunk house a couple times.  It's not bad, but with two kids under 3 years old, I'll have little ones for a while to come.  I'm leaning towards nothing over 24' and around 4500lbs dry.  Well under what I'm comfortable with. It will also be easier to maneuver at gas stations, easier to park on sites, and easier for me to set up. 

Whatever route you go, I would strongly suggest a couple short excursions to get comfortable with setting it up, and figure out whatever extra tools and wares you may need or what gets packed and becomes dead weight that never gets used.

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2018, 05:43:41 PM »
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2018, 07:02:44 PM »
I am glad the OP seems to have done his homework on tow vehicle. As for taking a TT that far, you should be fine as long as you have taken a couple of weekend trips before hand. You want to get used to towing, backing, and setting up the trailer in a low risk environment. You definitely donít want to drive the TT off the lot and straight to For Wilderness. Find a nice state park, make reservations now, and then buy the TT. Have fun, and ignore the obnoxiousness. My guess is some of the comments will be gone soon.
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« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2018, 07:58:25 PM »
OK, I think we have made it all the way around the bush on this topic.
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