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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2018, 06:44:25 PM »
I believe 1929 is possible in the correct configuration.

GMC has the range of that vehicle with max tow at 1,650 to 2,250 lbs depending on options.
I would say they're not common, but they exist.

Im not saying its impossible - given that the trucks today have a greater payload than even 2 yrs ago my 2010 ltz 6.2 with the hd package was a measly 1340 lbs so i really want to see how far they have come but even my ford has an actual payload of 1300lbs less than the brochure states
Inquiring minds wanna know lol
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2018, 06:46:30 PM »
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Wow thank you that is AWESOME who would have thought it possible 5 yrs ago that is really cool

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2018, 06:54:08 PM »
Congratulations on your new adventure.  A couple of suggestions.   Hopefully, the TT comes with a weight distribution hitch and electric brakes.  If your truck is not set up for electric break you will nee to have that done before you get the TT.  If you are not used to towing, when you pick the trailer up, drive around a bit before going home.   Get used to having it behind you.  Notice the difference in braking distance.  If you are going to park at home, consider having an electrical outlet installed near the trailer that will allow you to plug in and run the electric.  I suspect you are 30 amp so you will want a 30 amp outlet.  Practice camping in your trailer.  Once the weather gets decent, go to a local campground for a weekend.  Do a complete set up so you can see what it is like.  This will help show you what you have forgotten to pack.   :)  We have all been there. If you have the time do an extended, three or four day trip.  Finally, make lists. Lots of lists, from what to pack to what you will eat on your trip.  A setup and teardown list is invaluable.  As me about forgetting to use a tear down list and driving off with the TV antenna up.  With a little prep you will be ready to tackle FL by this Summer.  Enjoy the trip.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2018, 07:02:10 PM »
First, 900 miles is 18 hours sitting in the truck. Is that going to work with your family. 2 days with 2 drivers and one asleep in the cab 3-4 days with one driver (I do 800 solo in about 2 days)

Make sure Truck is big enough.  Do not even look at the F-150 Class or Chevy 10.

Finally some general vacation advice

DO not try to cram 3 weeks of fun into a 2 week time slot, IT DOES NOT WORK.

What does work is 2 weeks of FUN in a 3 Week time slot, If you have an "Issue" or if you want to add an attraction. Not a problem. Even a day of rest fits in
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2018, 10:28:44 PM »
that should lock it.

Thanks Tony. I just wet myself a little.  :) :) :)
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2018, 09:08:32 AM »
Ryan F:


1. Ignore the bickering and name calling - while it happens from time to time, it's not the norm here.


2. Once you are comfortable towing the new TT, I say go for it. We've done a few longer trips from upstate NY including Bar Harbor ME (2 weeks), Myrtle Beach and Washington DC (1 week at each place), and Yellowstone (3 weeks). All of those trips included some loooong driving days and yes some of those days just plain sucked but the entire trips made it all worth it. We all made some lasting memories!
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2018, 09:30:40 AM »
Ryan F:


1. Ignore the bickering and name calling - while it happens from time to time, it's not the norm here.


2. Once you are comfortable towing the new TT, I say go for it. We've done a few longer trips from upstate NY including Bar Harbor ME (2 weeks), Myrtle Beach and Washington DC (1 week at each place), and Yellowstone (3 weeks). All of those trips included some loooong driving days and yes some of those days just plain sucked but the entire trips made it all worth it. We all made some lasting memories!

Take Joezeppy's advise and don't pay any attention to the back and forth. I don't how old steveblonde is but Tony and I are really old and hard to deal with.  I just have a hard time being quiet when I think someone is being bullied. That being said we have taken several trips with our grandkids and the TT. I used to drive 12-14 hours a day. I told my wife we were no longer going to do that. I would say take your time and enjoy the trip. If you try to get to your destination to quickly you and everyone else will be worn out before you get. Vacations are supposed to be relaxing and fun.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2018, 09:50:57 AM »
No the correct response was posted - but im sorry your a dick, yes i did belive him like  i said capabiliites have increased a ton my old  2010 1500 was 1300lbs , 1900 lbs is a 50 % increase in less than 7 years i find that realy realy cool. And i learnt something - did you?

What you don't realize is the engineers often reset the Yellow Sticker limits as they are primarily there to prevent excessive warranty costs. (it's all about money, not safety)  The actual limits of structural failure are far over the Yellow Sticker limits.

Tires are the biggest weight limiting factor.

Remember the Ford Explorer and the tire blowout lawsuits and nobody would hook even a rental trailer up to one...it was all because Ford cheaped out on the OEM tire size and recommended air pressure.  (But the Yellow Sticker said it was all good to go  ;D)
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2018, 10:25:03 AM »
What you don't realize is the engineers often reset the Yellow Sticker limits as they are primarily there to prevent excessive warranty costs. (it's all about money, not safety)  The actual limits of structural failure are far over the Yellow Sticker limits.

Tires are the biggest weight limiting factor.

Remember the Ford Explorer and the tire blowout lawsuits and nobody would hook even a rental trailer up to one...it was all because Ford cheaped out on the OEM tire size and recommended air pressure.  (But the Yellow Sticker said it was all good to go  ;D)

you are 100% correct no arguement from me - but herein lays the issue and insurance company/ manufacturer will find any reason they can to deny a claim PERIOD and if they approve a claim they will find a way to discount the payment.  Thereby screwing you every which way to sunday. 
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2018, 11:08:45 AM »
So, then you are freaking out about if,  you ever have an accident, ...and if it was your fault,  if there is an investigation by the insurance company (largely based on if a good accident report was done at the scene)...if They can find and prove criminal negligence in front of a jury and then if you should be held financially liable.

Wow !  That's way too much worrying about if for me.......

What about after you survive all that ... if you get hit by an asteroid  ?     ::)
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2018, 12:34:15 PM »
its not just accidents its being pulled over and hassled - made to leave trailers and sled and atvs at the side of the road, they often use mobile scales to weight vehicles, also who wants the hassle. The BC   police are famous for pulling over people = its happened to people i know who have had vehicles impounded for being over weight - happened 2 years ago to a friend in IDAHO for pulling a 5er too big for his 2500 had the trailer impounded till he could unload stuff 400lbs worth of stuff
you need to look at the BIGGER picture 
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2018, 01:43:45 PM »
  I'm so thankful I don't live there.   Here in CA it's ....if there ain't no problem... then there ain't no problems.

hell,  1/2 the people driving are uninsured and can't speak English anyway.
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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2018, 01:53:31 PM »
Let's keep the discussion civil please boys!
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2018, 02:06:03 PM »
What would that 'IDAHO' cop say... if you taken your whole F150 body complete with the yellow door sticker and everything... and put it on top of a 2-1/2 ton military chassis ?

 In America, You are allowed to modify a non commercial truck (or car) to do whatever you want.

do you think that dumb cop would still make you unload 400 lbs ?   ;)
 
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2018, 03:51:12 PM »
Obviously you dont get it and never will

That dumb cop as you call him has a portable set of scales and is there to enforce the law and in my friends case he was overweight his trailer was too heavy on the pin and was over his yellow label by 400 lbs - he was told to park and unhook - they then calked a towtruck and impounded his trailer he them removed stuff from the trailer and bought it to indian creek campground and then went back to pay the fine some $600 plus the tow bill about another $200 and was allowed to take off with his now lightened trailer.

This arguement is not ever going to end because you think because you drove a tractor trailer you know all the rules and maybe you do know something about the commercial world - this is not that world its kinda like saying because dope is legal in california and im from california i smoke dope legally in new york. They are worlds apart and i am relaying real world rv experiances and knowledge. As more and more places seek avenues for revenue you will see things like this occur. The legallity is only a part of the issue and you my friend dont get it and probably never will. Its got nothing to do with right or wrong its about money bottom line. So why temp fate if you do you pay its like speeding your gonna get caught sooner or later ( i hate speed limits when driving sports cars designed to do 200 mph and when i get caught which i eventually do i pay the tickets)
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2018, 03:51:59 PM »
I shall not comment further on this thread
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2018, 05:03:56 PM »
Thank you.

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2018, 07:17:54 PM »
 Welcome to the forum. In response to your original question, I personally donít think the trip to Disney World you were considering is unreasonable at all. As suggested by other responders to your post, two or three trial runs close to home would benefit your setup times and how the TT you buy and your tow vehicle handles.
  I donít have nearly as much experience as many of the other folks on this forum, but because of that I can still remember the nervousness I felt when we took our trailer our the first few times....and all the mistakes we made. Lol!
   One thing I learned right off the bat was all miles are not created equal. When I plan a trip, instead of deciding on how many miles I need to go per day, I look at what is in between my starting point and my final destination. Big cities, heavy traffic, mountains, bad weather......all these things affect my driving plan and the amount of fatigue I experience. I usually have alternate routes planned for ďjust in case scenariosĒ. For example, if I was planning the trip you originally posted about I would have planned stopping the first day just short of Atlanta and buzzing through there early the next morning before rush hour. Thatís because I know how the traffic in Atlanta can be. Next, I would have made another stop short of Disney World....like Valdosta, Lake City, somewhere like that. The last day you can leisurely cruise into Disney World with plenty of time to get set up and still have some time to explore the park if you wanted. On trips home, seems like Iím out of vacation mode and always seem to be able to make better time and travel further for some reason.
   Most of our trips are out west where the traffic is lighter and the roads get nice and straight. Wind can be an issue for sure, but in general it is a much more relaxing driving experience than anywhere in the east or southeast. But there are tons of really great campgrounds and things to see in those areas of the county, so we just sometimes suck it up and deal with it. 😄
   Happy travels to you and your family.
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2018, 08:06:20 PM »
Welcome to the forum. In response to your original question, I personally donít think the trip to Disney World you were considering is unreasonable at all. As suggested by other responders to your post, two or three trial runs close to home would benefit your setup times and how the TT you buy and your tow vehicle handles.
  I donít have nearly as much experience as many of the other folks on this forum, but because of that I can still remember the nervousness I felt when we took our trailer our the first few times....and all the mistakes we made. Lol!
   One thing I learned right off the bat was all miles are not created equal. When I plan a trip, instead of deciding on how many miles I need to go per day, I look at what is in between my starting point and my final destination. Big cities, heavy traffic, mountains, bad weather......all these things affect my driving plan and the amount of fatigue I experience. I usually have alternate routes planned for ďjust in case scenariosĒ. For example, if I was planning the trip you originally posted about I would have planned stopping the first day just short of Atlanta and buzzing through there early the next morning before rush hour. Thatís because I know how the traffic in Atlanta can be. Next, I would have made another stop short of Disney World....like Valdosta, Lake City, somewhere like that. The last day you can leisurely cruise into Disney World with plenty of time to get set up and still have some time to explore the park if you wanted. On trips home, seems like Iím out of vacation mode and always seem to be able to make better time and travel further for some reason.
   Most of our trips are out west where the traffic is lighter and the roads get nice and straight. Wind can be an issue for sure, but in general it is a much more relaxing driving experience than anywhere in the east or southeast. But there are tons of really great campgrounds and things to see in those areas of the county, so we just sometimes suck it up and deal with it. 😄
   Happy travels to you and your family.

I certainly agree with most of the above. The one minor thing I like to do differently is to travel just past a major city at the end of my day. That way, in the morning, I am headed out of town unlike the zillion cars heading in.

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2018, 04:31:52 PM »
I certainly agree with most of the above. The one minor thing I like to do differently is to travel just past a major city at the end of my day. That way, in the morning, I am headed out of town unlike the zillion cars heading in.

I completely agree.  Also, avoid major cities if you can
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2018, 11:22:29 PM »
Well the OP should have a good idea of what to look for.

My 5000 lb. TT crosses the CAT scales at 6200 lbs. and 750 tongue weight when loaded for the road. My F-150 max cargo is 1411 lbs. so with two adults, a dog and some gear I am maxed out.

The thing to keep in mind is that everybody camps differently. Some use KOA or other full service camp grounds with pool and game rooms, others find State Parks with electric only suitable not to mention the boon dockers. 

But a few things are fairly common.
* Expect 10 mpg for gas mileage perhaps a but less at times.
* 250 to 300 miles a day are the norm. Some folks on a tighter vacation schedule push for more.
* 55 to 65 mph is also the norm. I find a sweet spot at 62 mph.
* You will be assed by everything on the road; nobody likes to follow a trailer, even other folks pulling their camper.
* Wind and passing truck buffets are normal. Annoying at time but part of towing.
* Everybody's idea of RV camping is different. So one person's perfect spot may not appeal to another.

As I suggest previously, rent a TT with the size and floor plan you think you want. If it is a good fit you can buy your TT with confidence. If your rental is not a good fit you have no spent the big bucks. Renting goes a long way towards preventing buyers remorse.     

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2018, 07:04:43 AM »
We are a family of four and looking to purchase a TT this spring. We are thinking about going to Disney World this summer, taking the TT and staying at Fort Wilderness campground. We live in Ohio so itís about a 900 mile drive each way.  We would be in the Orlando area around 2 weeks.  Have some concerns that this trip might be too long (miles and time) since we have no previous TT experience. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

We live in Delaware and made the trip to Disney, towing our little 17' TT, in Nov 16. It's about 950 miles. We drove about halfway then stayed at a Walmart parking lot. We got to Orlando a day early and stayed in a hotel checking into Ft Wilderness the next day. Checking into Ft Wilderness was a goat rope. They didn't seem to have their act together. We parked the trailer in overflow and went to the park and checked into the CG later. Do not purchase tickets to Disney on the road. Go online and purchase your tickets. we were sent our armbands and reservations at restaurants via mail. You can take food and drinks into the park. We packed a lunch each day. Take some kind of wagon or other vehicle to tote your stuff around. I use a walker if I have to walk much so we carried our bags and lunches on the walker. My wife did not take her purse into the park. I carried her ID in my wallet. You will not need money in the park. Everything can be purchased via your armband. If you are going to be there 2 weeks you will be able to easily plan for going to the park on some days and then relaxing in the CG on other days. Believe me when I say you spend a day at Disney, you are going to be beat the end of the day. We purchased a four day park hopper. There are several parks within Disney. Each one easily takes a day, maybe more, to get through. Plan, plan, plan. This is an expensive vacation that can be ruined by not planning correctly. Be aware, you go in the summer and there will be a lot of folks at Disney. We are not planners. We like to do things last minute. I would not do that for Disney. I hope you go. I don't think you will regret it. Have fun and happy trails!
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2018, 04:54:11 PM »
Ryan F...

Good luck with your new TT purchase.  I, too, have the Open Range 2802BH and couldn't be happier.  We bought it November 2016 and camped 12 times in the first year.  My opinion is similar to others.  If you can make a quick local trip before heading to FL, that would be great.  Otherwise, enjoy your 2 weeks and go make some great memories with your family.

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« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2018, 05:04:11 PM »
Told ya it'd be okay... ;)

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2018, 11:04:51 AM »
Whenever I read comment like this is unsafe or illegal or dangerous I can only shake my head.

I learned a long time ago that one person's "white knuckle scary ride" is another annoying wind or road or truck or whatever condition.

Novice or seasoned driver, the rig combo is bad when it is bad for you. It may be perfectly acceptable for the next person.

We hear horror stories about driving in the mountains, deserts, wind, snow etc. They can be a challenge and some will prefer to wait it out, while other prefer to drive out of it. My tolerance for conditions is pretty high but I am not pulling a 13 ft. high 40 ft. 5ver. When it is bad I slow down when it is very bad I stop; but that is based on my comfort zone no someone else's.

Be safe

   

       

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2018, 12:50:22 PM »
Yes, Whenever I read about the intolerance of a different opinion ...I can only shake my head.    (ie. The last election  ;) ).

If it ain't illegal,  then it's just someone's opinion.   

Heck,   I see traumatized people get off of  'white knuckle scary rides'....  at Disneyland.   
 
Everyday car drivers..(even the ones that live and breath every Govt. Safety Sticker)  need to remember ! .... An RV is not a large Minivan.

Slowing down is the safest thing you could ever do.....you do not need to be going 70+ mph in any large RV.

Be safe no mater what you drive... :)

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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #56 on: February 01, 2018, 05:37:31 PM »
This used to be such a nice forum, free of fighting.  This is the second thread that I've read that makes me wonder why to bother. 

Ryan,  I'm in a similar boat.  I have two young kids.  I bought a 13 F-150 with the max tow package a couple years ago with the intent of eventually buying a travel trailer.  I've towed my father in law's 28' bunk house a couple times.  It's not bad, but with two kids under 3 years old, I'll have little ones for a while to come.  I'm leaning towards nothing over 24' and around 4500lbs dry.  Well under what I'm comfortable with. It will also be easier to maneuver at gas stations, easier to park on sites, and easier for me to set up. 

Whatever route you go, I would strongly suggest a couple short excursions to get comfortable with setting it up, and figure out whatever extra tools and wares you may need or what gets packed and becomes dead weight that never gets used.

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« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2018, 05:43:41 PM »
Boy and people say I am argumentative... :o You guys need to get a room. ::)
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Re: Advice for family vacation with first TT
« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2018, 07:02:44 PM »
I am glad the OP seems to have done his homework on tow vehicle. As for taking a TT that far, you should be fine as long as you have taken a couple of weekend trips before hand. You want to get used to towing, backing, and setting up the trailer in a low risk environment. You definitely donít want to drive the TT off the lot and straight to For Wilderness. Find a nice state park, make reservations now, and then buy the TT. Have fun, and ignore the obnoxiousness. My guess is some of the comments will be gone soon.
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« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2018, 07:58:25 PM »
OK, I think we have made it all the way around the bush on this topic.
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