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« on: May 23, 2005, 01:33:42 PM »
Hi, Folks!

This IS NOT a Protect All product ad. 

We spoke to a gentleman on the phone this morning and my partner, Ken Neuman, gave me a great analogy that I wanted to pass along.  I think it may put an exclamation point on the need for washing/maintaining your rig.  (I just looked up the word analogy.  I think it does fit the situation.<BG>)

Anyway, this gentleman emailed me with some questions.  I passed him along to Ken--I thought Ken might be able to answer his questions more effectively.  The man called.  Ken explained the facts of life about an RV.  Ken was able to pinpoint the age of the man's coach by the conditions he described.  Ken went on to ask him how often he washed and how often he waxed.  Well, he rinses it off occasionally and waxes it "probably" once a year.  So, in reality, he rinses it off once-a-year, maybe washes it once-a-year and he waxes it every 18 months or so.  For a 2003 model coach...it hasn't received much care. 

But that's not the point of this story.  When I pass someone along to Ken, I like to check with him later to see what wisdom he imparted,  what tips I can pick up.  This is how I got the info I passed along in the Brite-Tek vs. Fiberglass roof thread elsewhere.  If my info is wrong, I can blame Ken.<G> 

So, here's the analogy:  Ken was telling me how he helped a different caller, not the one today, realize he needed to maintain his coach on a regular basis.  He asked that caller how much his coach was worth.  It was a $200,000 coach.  Ok, how much is your car worth?  It was a $20,000 car.  How often do you wash your coach?  Once-a-year or so.  How often do you wash your car?  "Oh, I take it to the car wash every week!"

So, you wash a $20k car once-a-week but you only wash your $200k coach once-a-year?  Your coach is worth TEN TIMES what your car is worth.  Don't you think it deserves equal, if not better, care?

So there's some food for thought.  Whether you are using Protect All products or not, establish a regular schedule for washing/waxing/maintenance and stick to it.

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Re: Washing Your RV
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2005, 02:01:28 PM »
Pat

Let me play devil's advocate here.....

We live in the middle of the California Delta, surrounded by lots of farmland that gets ploughed pretty often. Add to this the Delta breezes, and nothing stays dust-free for very long. We also sit in some punishing sun throughout the summer months. We all know that waxes providing good UV protection are essential, and they also make life a lot easier when it comes to wash or rinse time.

If I choose to not wash my RV, boat or car, they get a pretty good layer of dust which can actually act as good protection from the sun. So, why should I take the coach out of storage when it's not being used, wash it to remove the protective layer of dust, and expose it to the damaging effects of the sun?
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2005, 02:45:12 PM »
If I choose to not wash my RV, boat or car, they get a pretty good layer of dust which can actually act as good protection from the sun. So, why should I take the coach out of storage when it's not being used, wash it to remove the protective layer of dust, and expose it to the damaging effects of the sun?

Tom,

I agree.   There is absolutely no reason to wash the RV except to keep up with the  Jones'.

OOPS!   ;D

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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2005, 02:57:30 PM »
LOL Phil you won't need to wash it very often to keep up with me  ;D
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2005, 04:57:40 PM »
LOL Phil you won't need to wash it very often to keep up with me  ;D

Tom,

I think we should have a new award to hand out at the Moab Rally for the rig with the most dirt on it.  ;D

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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2005, 05:00:59 PM »
How about a Protect All party and Pat supplies the Protect All.

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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2005, 05:17:36 PM »
I think we should have a new award to hand out at the Moab Rally for the rig with the most dirt on it.

I doubt I'd win that one Phil  :)  Our rig was spotless when we left home and spotless the day after we returned.
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2005, 05:51:44 PM »
LOL,  believe I fell into this thread trap about 3 months ago.  Glad it is someone else's turn lol!
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2005, 06:04:32 PM »
thread trap

Here? On this forum? Never.
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2005, 09:10:25 PM »
Phil,

The Lassen's would have received the "dirtest RV at the Moab Rally" award.  We were covered with dust and crud from traveling through New Mexico's "red clay".  Tim wanted to check out Gallup, and we brought some of it home with us.  In fact it's still on the coach.  We are leaving June 13th for Northern Californian, hope Tim washes it before then....(grin)

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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2005, 11:40:02 PM »
believe I fell into this thread trap about 3 months ago.

Smoky,

What trap?

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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2005, 04:11:31 AM »
I don't know about motor homes (yet) but I do know this about my  old 13' SCAMP trailer (If anyone needs a guest room to pull behind their Motor Home it's for sale... www.generalrv.com   choose the Wixom/Novi, Michigan location)  I'll tell you it sure looks SMALL on their lot :-)

It "Wintered" under a pine tree..... By spring it was black... . Of course,,, It's white
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2005, 09:49:55 AM »
After all this I went out and washed the Tradewinds last night. 8) 8) 8)

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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2005, 10:18:55 AM »
I went out and washed the Tradewinds last night.

You're going to start a trend.
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2005, 12:53:47 PM »
Oh, man!  Do I step into something EVERY time a send a message around here?!  There IS a CON to every Pro, isn't there? <G>

>>why should I take the coach out of storage when it's not being used, wash it to remove the protective layer of dust, and expose it to the damaging effects of the sun?

Ok, ok.  If your rig is in storage, I'm not suggesting you drag it out to wash it.  What I am saying is frequent/regular care of that multi-thousand dollar vehicle is going to help it retain it's value.  A lot, A LOT, of people we speak with on the phone have no clue about this. It really is almost, "I have to wash this thing?"   Some people really are clueless.

>>How about a Protect All party and Pat supplies the Protect All.

I'll tell you what....I have two gallons of Quick & Easy Wash and a gallon of Protect All if someone wants to pick it up.  All I need is the date of the rally and pictures afterwards.
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2005, 01:04:21 PM »
Oh, man!  Do I step into something EVERY time a send a message around here?

LOL Pat, I was just trying to play devil's advocate.

Would you concur that a layer of dust provides at least some protection from the damaging of the sun? I'm not advocating this as a new way of protecting your RV  :) , but just trying to validate some things I've observed over the years with RVs and boats.
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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2005, 09:20:04 PM »
I'll tell you what....I have two gallons of Quick & Easy Wash and a gallon of Protect All if someone wants to pick it up.  All I need is the date of the rally and pictures afterwards.

Patrick,

I think you should bring it to Quartzsite in January or Moab in April.  It's been a LONG time since we have seen you in person.  In fact, you could show up without bringing it and that would also make us happy.  :)

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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2005, 02:18:31 PM »
Phil:

The “washing your RV” thread trap.

John:

I could not find anything listed for Scamp.  Is there an ID number or something?

Jeff:

LOL!   ;D

Patrick:

Welcome to the thread trap club!   :o
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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2005, 07:02:15 PM »
>>Patrick:  Welcome to the thread trap club!   

I had a flashback to the old RV Usenet newsgroup.   :D

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Would you concur that a layer of dust provides at least some protection from the damaging of the sun?

I guess that could be true.  Ken sez:  "It works for hobos, bums and the homeless."  Seriously, you have the dust plus moisture, heat and sunlight.  Those last three act beyond the dust to degrade the surface.  They oxidize the dirt into the surface of your coach in the form of black streaks or other problems.  Ken went on to make a number of other comments while laughing uproariously. 

Or it might have been an evil laugh.  Sometimes I think he passes things through me just to get me in trouble.

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I think you should bring it to Quartzsite in January or Moab in April.  It's been a LONG time since we have seen you in person.  In fact, you could show up without bringing it and that would also make us happy.

Really?  I don't even get that here!  ;)

(And now Pat will duck behind his desk...)
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2005, 09:36:23 PM »
Pat:

excellent point about dirt being oxidized into the surface.  Sometimes I wish certain guys here would just be helpful and not show off so much lol!  They have a lot of knowledge to offer when they get serious.  :)
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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2005, 05:57:56 AM »
Ken went on to make a number of other comments while laughing uproariously. 

While he's still laughing, ask him why ProtectaAll doesn't do as good a job or last as long in these conditions on gel coated fiberglass as a heavy carnuba paste wax.

If, for example, gel coated fiberglass has a layer of heavy carnuba paste wax covered by a layer of dust, how can the sun do any damage or contribute to oxidation? Facts and data would be more helpful than laughing.
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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2005, 10:36:13 AM »
Because my wife is playing grandma in Honolulu this week I decided to do a major cleanup on the m/h for the summer.

After taking Pat up on his trial offer for Protect All I purchased more and did both of our cars. The application was very easy on the fairly new painted surfaces that do not require a lot of work.

Then attacked the fiberglass gel/stripes of the Tradewinds. After washing the coach Protect All results were very poor, did nothing to improve water spots on gel-coat. I then applied marine color restorer/wax with an oscillating buffer. Coach now looks new again.

I then applied Protect All to certain areas of coach with no discernible difference in the finish compared to the areas that have just the color restorer/wax application.

I will leave the coach partially Protect All covered to see if there is a benefit to the finish over time.

At this point I am further proof of Tom's corollary that sweat=results. :-\
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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2005, 10:53:11 AM »
Jeff:

I'd be most interested if you had a chance to test Dry Wash n Guard or whatever it is called.  A lot of members here use it and it is supposed to be relatively sweatless.  I have a sample but am waiting for delivery of my new coach.

As an aside, next time I order a new coach (and I hope that is never) I will add a month to whatever delivery date they give me.
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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2005, 11:11:23 AM »
I'll be interested in reading your results down the road Jeff.
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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2005, 01:44:01 PM »
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ask him why ProtectaAll doesn't do as good a job or last as long in these conditions on gel coated fiberglass as a heavy carnuba paste wax.

Two different products with two different ideas in mind.  "Heavy carnauba paste wax" is just that and nothing else.  It is for the fiberglass or painted surfaces only.  Even with a machine, it takes quite a while to apply.  Then you have to roll out your cart of supplies for all the other materials your coach is made of. 

Protect All "All Surface Care" was developed with a different purpose in mind.  Let's make the job of waxing that coach quicker & easier by supplying a product that can safely & effectively be used on every surface on the coach.  To be a multi-surface product, and to be a quick & easy application, the layer of wax has to be thin.  So there may be a trade off in the life of the wax on the coach vs. the frequency of application.  I've heard from plenty of people that their Protect All didn't last as long as Brand X, but every one of those folks said they didn't mind that because the ease of application made it worthwhile.

There!  Now you've done it!  I'm spouting ad speak!  Honestly, that was not my intent in starting this thread.

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gel coated fiberglass has a layer of heavy carnuba paste wax covered by a layer of dust, how can the sun do any damage or contribute to oxidation? Facts and data would be more helpful than laughing.

I am told that sunlight will get through that layer of dust.  Moisture acts on it and moves it around.  Just nightly dew gradually gives you black streaks.  And that wax is not permanent.  Heat & moisture degrade it over time, even through the dust.

I think that I solemnly promise never to start a thread again.<G>

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Protect All results were very poor, did nothing to improve water spots on gel-coat. I then applied marine color restorer/wax with an oscillating buffer. Coach now looks new again.

Of course!  Forgive me but I've talked with a lot of people lately.  You may have been one.  I hope I did get the chance to tell you that Protect All is made to go on a good presentable surface.  IT WILL NOT remove oxidation or do the heavy cleaning that abrasive products and strong cleaning products are designed to do.

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I then applied Protect All to certain areas of coach with no discernible difference in the finish compared to the areas that have just the color restorer/wax application.

Again, of course not!  You just repaired the surface, bringing it back to a like-new condition.

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will leave the coach partially Protect All covered to see if there is a benefit to the finish over time.

I'm a redhead.  Frequent applications of sunscreen are required even just sitting here in my office.  Your coaches are more tolerant but it's a similar idea.  One coating of a heavy wax will last half- to most of a year.  Towards the end of that period, the protection is decreasing.  Applying Protect all 3-4 times in the same time period keeps your protection level higher.

If I ever start a thread again, would one of you guys just email me at pathuber@protectall.com with the subject line "Washing Your RV"?
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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2005, 05:04:21 PM »
I think that I solemnly promise never to start a thread again.

LOL Pat, if you kept that promise we wouldn't have any fun. You and ProtectAll have a good following of supprters here, and many of us wish you'd visit more often.

As I said, I was just playing devil's advocate and wanting to pose an alternative perspective for discussion. There's no questionning the ease of application of ProtectAll.

You have to realize that I'm speaking from two perspectives. My coach has full body paint, which does not require carnuba paste and a fiberglass roof, which may or may not. My boat is fiberglass/gel coat which in my experience requires nothing less than carnuba paste. FWIW the October issue of Powerboat Reports reported the results of extensive testing of 26 different waxes & polishes. Clearly, carnuba paste came out ahead of the pack, with the liquid waxes coming in last.

BTW part of your response was obviously meant for someone else because it addressed issues I didn't raise. Best to keep them separate to avoid confusion. I'll confuse the thread enough on my own.
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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2005, 01:20:41 PM »
Tom,

I did mix replies in my last post.  I was also addressing some issues Jeff / Washington brought up.  Sorry about that.

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My coach has full body paint, which does not require carnuba paste

WHAT?! What?...What?...  Is this new information?  Since when doesn't paint require wax?

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Clearly, carnuba paste came out ahead of the pack

Of course!  Wouldn't expect anything else.  However, if I were to wax the old Winnebago out back here, no way I'm picking up a can of paste wax.  :D
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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2005, 01:36:30 PM »
Is this new information?  Since when doesn't paint require wax?

I'm really surprised at that reaction Pat, since I was merely singing your tune. I was saying that I don't need to use heavy paste wax on the full body paint of our coach. I wasn't saying it doesn't need any protection. In fact, I use a liquid wax, which is what you've been telling us for years we should use. Have you changed your mind about the easy-on virtues of liquid waxes  ???
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« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2005, 11:49:54 PM »
OK, is there or is there not a Moab prize for the dirtiest rig?  Or did I just get my hopes up in vain that there's finally a competition that meets my skill set? 

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« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2005, 10:31:38 PM »
Now I am getting really confused.

Aren't there some experienced folks here that were saying last month that full body paint does NOT need wax?  Just an occasionally washing?

I need to get clear on this matter.
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