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steveblonde

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2018, 12:45:17 PM »
That's a pretty easy calculator. I plugged the info in for my truck and the lower end estimate was pretty close to what I had calculated. I calculated a trailer weight of 5430lbs but only used 90% of that weight due to some earlier posts on the subject. 90% brings it down to 4887lbs. Our trailer GVWR is 3800lbs. One thing I don't understand is the range your formula gives. For my truck it was 5053-7580 lbs. That's quite a range.

the range is based upon tongue weight or in most cases with a travel trailer or 5th wheel it would depend on where or if you had a full tank of water. which would affect tongue weight
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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2018, 02:10:35 PM »
I have a 2016 Chevy 4X4 Duramax CC and my build sheet shows:

Curb Weight - Front
4511  lbs  3788.0 min 4511.0 max
Curb Weight - Rear
2872  lbs  2736.0 min 3280.0 max
Fifth Wheel Hitch - Max Trailer Wt.
13900  lbs  13900.0 min 14000.0 max
Fifth Wheel Hitch - Max Tongue Wt.
3475  lbs  3475.0 min 3500.0 max

where did you find this information?
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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2018, 03:38:51 PM »
I have a 2016 Chevy 4X4 Duramax CC and my build sheet shows:

Curb Weight - Front
4511  lbs  3788.0 min 4511.0 max
Curb Weight - Rear
2872  lbs  2736.0 min 3280.0 max
Fifth Wheel Hitch - Max Trailer Wt.
13900  lbs  13900.0 min 14000.0 max
Fifth Wheel Hitch - Max Tongue Wt.
3475  lbs  3475.0 min 3500.0 max

where did you find this information?
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BigLarry

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2018, 07:32:53 PM »
My last two diesel trucks were maxed out pulling our TT due to the auxillary fuel tank and topper I keep on the truck.  Just because the specs claim a max conventional trailer towing weight of 13,000 lbs, doesn't mean you can actually pull that much without overloading the truck.  I chose this configuration because I like having the auxillary fuel tank and the topper and we're very happy with the size of our TT.   My GMC has  a 2314# payload limit on the yellow sticker.  Our TT has a GVWR of 7800lbs. 

Below are the weights. 

780 lbs -10% of the TT
775 lbs - auxillary fuel tank filled with 75 gallons of diesel
200 lbs - Leer fiberglass cap
559 lbs - max weight for passengers and cargo
2314 lbs total

The actual combined weight of the loaded trailer and truck ready to travel is a touch under 17,000 lbs. with two passengers in the truck, a full tank of fresh water and empty grey and black tanks. 

If you look at the specs on the truck on the GMC web site, the GCWR of the truck and trailer is 25,300 lbs, with a max conventional towing weight of 13,000 lbs.  As near as I can tell, it would be impossible to achieve, even if I removed the topper and the fuel system.



 


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RVRAC

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2018, 10:14:11 PM »
Bailer, the OP is talking about a FW, what matters most is payload sticker number.  As I said my sonís 2500 HD Duramax has a payload less than 2,200#.  He thought he could pull a 13K FW because it has a Duramax. No way with his payload.
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bailer6334

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2018, 07:14:00 AM »
Sticker says payload 2,412lbs.
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CWSWine

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2018, 08:52:20 AM »
This is what Towing Planner says with 300 pounds of driver/passengers and 150-pound hitch.

I quote

"You're adding approximately 450 lbs. to the truck. You have 1,962 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 7,848 - 9,810 lbs."

Here a link to tow planner so you can play with the numbers.
http://www.towingplanner.com/Calculators/TowingPayloadEstimate/?ccc=2412&dw=150&pw=150&hw=150&ct=FW

There also a section that allows you to take a dry pin weight and estimate the ready to camp weight. 
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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2018, 09:17:33 AM »
I don't understand the numbers posted "maximum loaded camper weight of 7848-9810lbs". 7848 pounds would be at the max pin weight. 9810 would way over at 2450 pounds pin weight (using 25%).
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CWSWine

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2018, 01:53:59 PM »
I don't understand the numbers posted "maximum loaded camper weight of 7848-9810lbs". 7848 pounds would be at the max pin weight. 9810 would way over at 2450 pounds pin weight (using 25%).

7848 = 25%
9810 = 20%

So the range Towing Planner gives you is 20 to 25% range of the max GVWR of 5er you can tow with your truck without exceeding your trucks GVWR and allowing for people, hitch and etc in the truck.  Most 5er fall in between 20 and 25% but there are some exceptions.
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Madcow

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2018, 02:24:08 PM »
My 2015 2500 Silvy is a 6.0L gasser.  I know that with two people on board, full load of fuel, and roughly 200 lb of stuff in the bed, it comes in at a hair under 7200 lb.  GVWR of the pickup is 9500 lb.  So available payload is a hair over 2300 lb.  Given the weight of the Dmax, I can see that the available payload under the same circumstances would be less than 2000 lb.

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2018, 05:36:36 PM »
7848 = 25%
9810 = 20%

So the range Towing Planner gives you is 20 to 25% range of the max GVWR of 5er you can tow with your truck without exceeding your trucks GVWR and allowing for people, hitch and etc in the truck.  Most 5er fall in between 20 and 25% but there are some exceptions.

So, if I want a bigger (heavier) 5th wheel I just use the 20% to calculate my max.
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CWSWine

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2018, 08:25:47 PM »
So, if I want a bigger (heavier) 5th wheel I just use the 20% to calculate my max.

It depends on the floor plan what percentage of GVWR of the 5er is on the pin.  A rear kitchen could have an 18 or 19 percent while a toy hauler could have 25 or 26% pin weight without the garage loaded with something heavy.  My 35 foot Solitude 310GK had a 22.8 percent pin loaded and ready to camp but or 40 foot Montana front living room had 19.8 loaded ready to camp.  People use 25% to give a lot margin when trying to stubby pencil weights.  Putting it on the scales loaded ready to camp is the only way you know if you stubby pencil guess is correct.
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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2018, 08:45:33 PM »
If you will take the time to review this PDF, starting on page #48 there are detailed, step by step instructions to follow to weigh your RV. It also makes some very good recommendations on how to balance your rig so you can get the best load without overloading anything.

https://www.ustires.org/sites/default/files/CareAndService_PassengerAndLightTruckTires.pdf

Don't let the name stop you. The whole document is all about tires and the things they are attached to. Chapter #4 is dedicated to RVs.
 
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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2018, 12:51:31 AM »
It depends on the floor plan what percentage of GVWR of the 5er is on the pin.  A rear kitchen could have an 18 or 19 percent while a toy hauler could have 25 or 26% pin weight without the garage loaded with something heavy.  My 35 foot Solitude 310GK had a 22.8 percent pin loaded and ready to camp but or 40 foot Montana front living room had 19.8 loaded ready to camp.  People use 25% to give a lot margin when trying to stubby pencil weights.  Putting it on the scales loaded ready to camp is the only way you know if you stubby pencil guess is correct.

This is exactly what happened to me with my tow behind 34 1/2' Toy Hauler.  Unloaded, I had a bit over the 15% of the unloaded trailer as tongue weight.  When I was loaded with two bikes, a pit bike (scooter), tools, popup canopy, pit stands, etc. I was right at 10% on the tongue and was having sway issues with the trailer....to the point that I had to keep adding weight to the front of the trailer.  I finally had enough weight that I got the sway to stop, but my then truck was to the point that it was right at, maybe slightly over the GVWR and the payload capacity.  I now have a F350 Dually, which of course is overkill for that trailer, but I have lots and lots of extra for any possible future expansion or should I say, a much bigger trailer/5ver.
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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2018, 06:01:13 AM »
Boonieman, thank you for looking past my shortgivings. The biggest reason I may correct about something is I have learned a lot from Gary (The Wiz), the two Lous, Kevin Means, and too many others here to mention.

Gator, smoking isn't the only reason. I was bad enough after my first stroke, and it seems my attitude hasn't gotten any better since my last one. After this thread, and the really lame answer I gave a person that asked for help on another thread, I am trying to make a conscious  effort to do better.
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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2018, 06:23:41 AM »
   When I first joined the forum it took me a little while to get over Kdbgoatís bluntness. But heís almost always right, dang it.  👍🏻

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2018, 06:27:12 AM »
Boonieman, thank you for looking past my shortgivings. The biggest reason I may correct about something is I have learned a lot from Gary (The Wiz), the two Lous, Kevin Means, and too many others here to mention.

Gator, smoking isn't the only reason. I was bad enough after my first stroke, and it seems my attitude hasn't gotten any better since my last one. After this thread, and the really lame answer I gave a person that asked for help on another thread, I am trying to make a conscious  effort to do better.

We all have bad days, some just last longer than others!  And no one knows what someone else is going through unless they've walked that same walk.    :))
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bailer6334

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2018, 07:30:44 AM »
Papadude,

I went to the GM factory site (sign in) and entered my VIN for the build sheet. Also you can go  to any GM dealer and ask them to download it for you.

For those who question my numbers, the info is from the build sheet and yellow sticker.
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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2018, 07:31:53 AM »
Boonieman, thank you for looking past my shortgivings. The biggest reason I may correct about something is I have learned a lot from Gary (The Wiz), the two Lous, Kevin Means, and too many others here to mention.

Gator, smoking isn't the only reason. I was bad enough after my first stroke, and it seems my attitude hasn't gotten any better since my last one. After this thread, and the really lame answer I gave a person that asked for help on another thread, I am trying to make a conscious  effort to do better.

I don't know what this post is all about. Maybe something lost in translation. One person praised with a thumbs up and the other person joked with one of those yellow faces at the end. That being said this thread is very confusing in the way some are explaining the pin weights with 20%-25% and a 2000lb range in trailer weight dependent on how your trailers floor plan is configured. One would have to be a seasoned loadmaster to understand what trailer fit what truck and then how to load your trailer for optimum weight transference to the hitch in correlation to axle ratio to minimize sway and highway buffering.  :)
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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2018, 12:00:59 AM »
There is no set rule for your tongue/hitch weight once you take position of the vehicle. The trailer manufacturer MUST recommend a tongue weight. It must be within acceptable standards. And that's the end of their responsibility. All sorts of places around the country have RV trailer seminars/weigh-ins. At them there will be statements about recommended percentages for bumper pulls and fivers. The bottom line is, you, the owner, must manage your tongue weight by periodically weighing it and then balance your load to achieve the desired load percentage for the best towing experience, for you.

Below is an excerpt from the FMVSS that directs the trailer manufacturer to establish recommended tongue weights for all trailers they build.   

Paragraph S10.2; On RV trailers, the sum of the GAWRs of all axles on the vehicle plus the vehicle manufacturer's recommended tongue weight must not be less than the GVWR.
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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2018, 04:34:47 PM »
Papadude,

I went to the GM factory site (sign in) and entered my VIN for the build sheet. Also you can go  to any GM dealer and ask them to download it for you.

For those who question my numbers, the info is from the build sheet and yellow sticker.

Thank you, I don't have access to GM website for a login, but I will contact my dealer.
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Papadude

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2018, 04:36:07 PM »
Thanks All for all the replies and information, you are all greatly appreciated!
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Lynx0849

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2018, 04:00:37 PM »
I dunno what all the fuss is when they told him his 1/2 ton could tow half ton towable trailers ? What would you expect?

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Re: Opinions on payload on my 2015 Siverado HD Diesel
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2018, 12:17:02 PM »
I dunno what all the fuss is when they told him his 1/2 ton could tow half ton towable trailers ? What would you expect?
The OP has a 3/4 ton.
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