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Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« on: January 28, 2018, 10:13:01 PM »
Hi All,

We are in the process of purchasing a 30' Trailer (7700 dry) and would like to hear any thoughts on the best vehicle type to do the job.  Many seem to prefer a pickup but we would rather use an SUV if possible.  Can you please tell me if you think an SUV would be comparable and any specific models.

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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2018, 10:35:12 PM »
You would need a 3/4 ton truck to safely tow that trailer,  with gear, food, water,clothing etc it would easily surpass 10000 lbs and the last thing you want is for the tail to wag the dog ( tow truck). Look in the library for more info. What is the GVRD of your truck ?
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2018, 11:06:19 PM »
You can get a Suburban in the 2500 or a Yukon XL

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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2018, 11:08:38 PM »
There is no SUV that will pull and stop that trailer safely. 

In an emergency situation you will have a serious problem.

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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2018, 05:53:10 AM »
And don't use the dry weight when choosing a tow vehicle. Use the trailer's GVWR. GVWR is Gross Vehicle Weight Rating if you don't already know. If you are unfamiliar with some of the acronyms that get thrown out around here, click on the glossary tab above to get explanations.
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2018, 06:51:35 AM »
You can get a Suburban in the 2500 or a Yukon XL

You would need to find a good used one since they haven't been available for a few years.  Fleet buyers can get a new one for big bucks.

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2018, 07:32:00 AM »
You would need to find a good used one since they haven't been available for a few years.  Fleet buyers can get a new one for big bucks.


Chevy /Gmc makes the Suburban /Yukon 2500 hd which is a 3/4 ton as of 2017 the diesel version is coming soon as well at a 1ton 3500 version ask any fleet GM guy to get you one they will np or buy a used one from Budget or Avis etc they are easily found

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/07/chevy-suburban-3500hd-heavy-duty-vs-chevrolet-suburban/
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2018, 07:37:26 AM »
Another option would be a 1 ton, 6 seat pickup with a cap. Just be aware of the weight of the cap using some of your available payload. The price difference between a 1 ton and a 3/4 tons about $800-$1000. Physical size is exactly the same.
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2018, 07:37:41 AM »
Ohh boy. Here  we go. It's early but I think I might get the popcorn anyway.  :)
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2018, 08:54:05 AM »
Yes the trailer is too heavy for an SUV.  There is a reason trucks are the preferred vehicles to tow with.

If you haven't purchased the trailer yet and you don't want a truck then you should choose a smaller trailer.
If you have purchased the trailer then you will need to get a truck, IMO.  And for the most part there is no such thing as too much truck.

Personally I don't think "Dry Weight" should ever be published as the only time that might apply is driving it home when new.
You didn't say if it was new or used.  If used many times the previous owner will leave a few things in it for you, so it's already above
dry weight to start with.

Now if you really don't want to buy a truck - buy a 32-36ft motorhome and pull the SUV you now have.  Problem solved.  ;D
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2018, 09:06:45 AM »
With a 7700 lb dry weight, you are talking a GVWR in the 9000-10,000 lb arena and that's is going to exceed the capability of most any late model SUV.  Ford has an Expedition rated for about 9200 max and The GM Yukon XL goes to about 8400, but after adding passengers and gear in the SUV, there isn't enough tow capacity left for that size trailer. A full size van like the GM Express or Savannah 3500  would probably mange it - they can be had with tow capacity up to 10,000 lbs.

Realistically, though, you should be looking at a 2500 or 3500 pick-up.  An upscale trim crew-cab model is every bit as nice a driver as a big SUV.
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2018, 01:07:31 PM »
There are plenty 1/2 ton trucks that will tow that trailer safety and with plenty of payload to spare.

1. F150 with the 5.0, or 3.5 Eco boost with the heavy duty payload package.

2. Chevy Silverado with the Max Trailering package will handle it and leave you with plenty of payload to spare.

A 3/4 ton truck won't hurt, but it will not be necessary for safe towing on that trailer.

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2018, 01:27:49 PM »
Ohh boy. Here  we go. It's early but I think I might get the popcorn anyway.  :)

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2018, 01:32:06 PM »
the 2005 Ford Excursion with the V10 is about the only one, unless you can find a GM 2500

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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2018, 03:43:37 PM »
I used to have a 1500 Silverado with Max Trailer Package pulling a 5,500# trailer.  Even with an Equalizer WD it was as much as it could handle.

You need a 2500 truck or an old 2500 Excursion or 2500 Suburban at least for the kind of trailer you are considering.
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2018, 04:48:08 PM »
I priced an F150 Ecoboost, 4x2 Supercrew, 145" WB, 3:73 rear. GCWR for truck is 17,000 ponds with max loaded trailer weight of 11,700 pound. Priced out at $37,800. I believe this truck would pull that trailer with no problems.
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2018, 07:36:16 PM »
There are plenty 1/2 ton trucks that will tow that trailer safety and with plenty of payload to spare.

I respectfully disagree.  There are a FEW trucks that MIGHT handle the load.  The F150 WITH HD PAYLOAD is one, but they are hard to find.

Remember, that trailer will drop 1000# or more onto the bumper, and your payload (not the advertised payload) must handle that, plus all passengers and cargo carried in the truck.  Many nicely equipped ton trucks will have yellow placard payloads of 1500# or less.  That is NOT enough to safely handle that TT.
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2018, 06:00:18 AM »
Hi and welcome to the forum.

Here is our experience.

This is the weight info for our TT:

Dry Weight 7,470 lbs. GVWR 10,500 lbs. Hitch Weight 1,025 lbs.

We wanted a 1/2 ton truck but quickly realised it was not possible as we couldn't find any with the CCC we needed, that's not to say there aren't any out there, but we couldn't get one. 

Even whilst looking for a 3/4 ton we struggled to get the CCC.

I am so glad I came to this forum before we made our purchase or we could have made a costly mistake.

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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2018, 06:07:08 AM »
Sure there are quite a few configuration of each 1/2 trucks that will not  have the specs for that trailer,  but besides the Ram, each manufacturer has quite at least a crew cab 4x4 (Double Cab for Toyota) that will safely handle that trailer just fine, especially Ford and GM.

That 1,500 lbs payload you mentioned is the 1/2 ton with the worse towing configurations, and even the off the lot CC 4x4 with the 3.42 rear will handle that trailer,  and meet all capacities, but I will swap to LT tires and maybe bilstiein shocks.

That Max Trailering package from GM will take a 1,000 lbs hitch and ready to camp gear with payload to spare.

That F150 5.0 and the 3.5 EB CC HDPP, 4x4 got even greater payload and towing ratings than GM, and there isn't a "might" in the equation, it will haul that trailer safely, and all four seats full of passengers.

That is why Ford and GM made such higher rated 1/2 tons...to haul more, and pull more than your typical off the lot 1/2, and most travel trailers fall within those capacities.

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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2018, 06:22:50 AM »
Hi and welcome to the forum.

Here is our experience.

This is the weight info for our TT:

Dry Weight 7,470 lbs. GVWR 10,500 lbs. Hitch Weight 1,025 lbs.

We wanted a 1/2 ton truck but quickly realised it was not possible as we couldn't find any with the CCC we needed, that's not to say there aren't any out there, but we couldn't get one. 

Even whilst looking for a 3/4 ton we struggled to get the CCC.

I am so glad I came to this forum before we made our purchase or we could have made a costly mistake.

If you are planning on maxing out that trailer, the only 1/2 ton I would trust would be the Ford F150 with the heavy duty payload package, CC 3.5 EB. (2400 lbs plus payload) even on the XLT 4x4, but dealers rarely carry those on the lot, and owners hang on to those that are out there.

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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2018, 06:36:18 AM »
I priced an F150 Ecoboost, 4x2 Supercrew, 145" WB, 3:73 rear. GCWR for truck is 17,000 ponds with max loaded trailer weight of 11,700 pound. Priced out at $37,800. I believe this truck would pull that trailer with no problems.

That configuration is similar to what I am looking for to tow my 37 ft, 8300 pound dry, 9800 max travel trailer. The CC, 4x4 3.5 EB, HDPP, 6.5 bed, with roughly 2,400 lbs payload, leave me with plenty of payload and towing capacity to spare. I want to install a bed cap and have the ability to tow with plenty of fresh water if need be.

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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2018, 06:42:17 AM »
I used to have a 1500 Silverado with Max Trailer Package pulling a 5,500# trailer.  Even with an Equalizer WD it was as much as it could handle.

You need a 2500 truck or an old 2500 Excursion or 2500 Suburban at least for the kind of trailer you are considering.

If I was looking for a 1/2 ton to tow a heaver trailer, your comments would not be useful without the year of your 1/2,  especially if it came with the weak 5.3 and four speed transmission.

If your 1/2 ton and Max Trailering package was one of those older 2010 and older model, it wouldn't be of any use when it comes to a newer and more capable Silverado with the Max Trailering package.

I would definitely not make a purchase based on this testimonial.
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2018, 07:00:41 AM »
With the 2013 Ram 1500, two wheel drive I had, using a Reese Dual Cam WDH, I pulled a trailer that had a GVWR of just over 9600#. There was no way I could load that trailer to the max with that setup. I have the luxury to have two certified truck scales to use, and found about 8200# was the max I could do. That took a lot of work adjusting the load in the trailer, and a lot more work adjusting the hitch. I was right at the raggedy edge of my weight limits. In all fairness, the Ram handled the load very well, probably a lot due to the hitch. I had not pulled in the mountains, but had run 6% grades with no problems. I drove in 20 mph crosswinds with gusts up to 30 mph. I had to do an emergency maneuver when a hoopdi decided to make a right turn in front of me from the left lane. The Ram handled it all in stride, with no handling issues, and the braking was way more than adequate.  BTW, that trailer was 34' from hitch to bumper. I pulled that same trailer with an F-250 for a while. The truck could have handled the trailer without a WDH, but I set up my Dual Cam for it anyway to help with sway from crosswinds and passing trucks. I believe it was due to not having hardly any load on the spring bars, therefore not letting the hitch do it's job effectively, but I felt more push with crosswinds and passing trucks with that setup then I did with the Ram.
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2018, 07:12:13 AM »
With the 2013 Ram 1500, two wheel drive I had, using a Reese Dual Cam WDH, I pulled a trailer that had a GVWR of just over 9600#. There was no way I could load that trailer to the max with that setup. I have the luxury to have two certified truck scales to use, and found about 8200# was the max I could do. That took a lot of work adjusting the load in the trailer, and a lot more work adjusting the hitch. I was right at the raggedy edge of my weight limits. In all fairness, the Ram handled the load very well, probably a lot due to the hitch. I had not pulled in the mountains, but had run 6% grades with no problems. I drove in 20 mph crosswinds with gusts up to 30 mph. I had to do an emergency maneuver when a hoopdi decided to make a right turn in front of me from the left lane. The Ram handled it all in stride, with no handling issues, and the braking was way more than adequate.  BTW, that trailer was 34' from hitch to bumper. I pulled that same trailer with an F-250 for a while. The truck could have handled the trailer without a WDH, but I set up my Dual Cam for it anyway to help with sway from crosswinds and passing trucks. I believe it was due to not having hardly any load on the spring bars, therefore not letting the hitch do it's job effectively, but I felt more push with crosswinds and passing trucks with that setup then I did with the Ram.

This is the type of detailed testimonial that would help me determine whether I need a larger truck...from RVer who has been towing with a modern 1/2 ton, as opposed to an old truck, or unknown spec 1/2 ton that was under spec.

After a few years of lurking, I discovered pretty quick that, "not enough truck", are more likely from guys who just like big trucks, and think that if you are towing anything, just get the biggest truck possible.

Besides towing my RV, I have absolutely no use, or desire for a truck...I'd take a fast four door sedan any day. :)

Thanks for the information.
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2018, 07:45:19 AM »
Just spec'ed out a Ford F-150 XL 3.5L Ecoboost 4x2 Supercrew 6.5 bed 3:55 Heavy Duty Payload Pkg

Curb WT-4980
GVWR-7850
Payload-2870
Max Tow Rating-12,700

When I am ready to upgrade our TT I will order this truck. Reason, gas mileage.
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2018, 07:53:48 AM »
Just spec'ed out a Ford F-150 XL 3.5L Ecoboost 4x2 Supercrew 6.5 bed 3:55 Heavy Duty Payload Pkg

Curb WT-4980
GVWR-7850
Payload-2870
Max Tow Rating-12,700

When I am ready to upgrade our TT I will order this truck. Reason, gas mileage.

that is a very very base model truck with almost no options which may be fine for some but others may want some creature comforts that same rear gear 3.55 is one of the reasons i bought my current truck - the mileage should be good as compared to my chevy with the 3.73, but now i have a dually again with more rolling resistance but a payload of over 5000 lbs and all the creature comforts lol
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2018, 08:10:15 AM »
that is a very very base model truck with almost no options which may be fine for some but others may want some creature comforts that same rear gear 3.55 is one of the reasons i bought my current truck - the mileage should be good as compared to my chevy with the 3.73, but now i have a dually again with more rolling resistance but a payload of over 5000 lbs and all the creature comforts lol

Most all the vehicles I purchase are base models. Less crap/less problems. The TT we are looking at has GVWR of 5600 lbs.
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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2018, 08:22:09 AM »
Gator, I would be willing to bet those are brochure numbers. Try to find one on a dealer's lot with the specs you stated and then look at the infamous yellow sticker. I doubt the curb weight and payload would be as you stated.
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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2018, 08:24:49 AM »
Most all the vehicles I purchase are base models. Less crap/less problems. The TT we are looking at has GVWR of 5600 lbs.
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Different strokes different folks which is why there is so many varaiations on the same theme i like the comforts and you like them bare - hey its all good
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2018, 08:57:18 AM »
The Heavy Duty Payload option makes a huge difference in the trailering capability for the F150 EcoBoost.   Be careful, though, because it does not guarantee a net Payload (OCCC) or 2900 lbs. Instead, it increases the GVWR by upgrading wheels, tires and suspension, along with an 8 ft box. The Payload/OCCC is still the difference between the truck curb weight and the GVWR, so trim level and options still reduce the net difference.  Ford says the max possible payload on an EcoBoost F150 is 2230 with standard suspension and 2900 with the HD Payload option, so it adds a net of 670 lbs.  If a typical F150 EcoBoost ends up with a payload around 1500 lbs, then adding the HD package can be expected to increase that to about 2170 lbs.

This news article (not direct from Ford) has a layman's explanation of how the HD Payload option helps both EcoBoost and V8-equipped F150's..

http://www.automotive-fleet.com/channel/vehicle-research/news/story/2015/03/ford-offers-heavy-payload-f-150-to-commercial-users.aspx
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