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Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« on: January 28, 2018, 10:13:01 PM »
Hi All,

We are in the process of purchasing a 30' Trailer (7700 dry) and would like to hear any thoughts on the best vehicle type to do the job.  Many seem to prefer a pickup but we would rather use an SUV if possible.  Can you please tell me if you think an SUV would be comparable and any specific models.

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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2018, 10:35:12 PM »
You would need a 3/4 ton truck to safely tow that trailer,  with gear, food, water,clothing etc it would easily surpass 10000 lbs and the last thing you want is for the tail to wag the dog ( tow truck). Look in the library for more info. What is the GVRD of your truck ?
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2018, 11:06:19 PM »
You can get a Suburban in the 2500 or a Yukon XL

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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2018, 11:08:38 PM »
There is no SUV that will pull and stop that trailer safely. 

In an emergency situation you will have a serious problem.

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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2018, 05:53:10 AM »
And don't use the dry weight when choosing a tow vehicle. Use the trailer's GVWR. GVWR is Gross Vehicle Weight Rating if you don't already know. If you are unfamiliar with some of the acronyms that get thrown out around here, click on the glossary tab above to get explanations.
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2018, 06:51:35 AM »
You can get a Suburban in the 2500 or a Yukon XL

You would need to find a good used one since they haven't been available for a few years.  Fleet buyers can get a new one for big bucks.

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2018, 07:32:00 AM »
You would need to find a good used one since they haven't been available for a few years.  Fleet buyers can get a new one for big bucks.


Chevy /Gmc makes the Suburban /Yukon 2500 hd which is a 3/4 ton as of 2017 the diesel version is coming soon as well at a 1ton 3500 version ask any fleet GM guy to get you one they will np or buy a used one from Budget or Avis etc they are easily found

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/07/chevy-suburban-3500hd-heavy-duty-vs-chevrolet-suburban/
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2018, 07:37:26 AM »
Another option would be a 1 ton, 6 seat pickup with a cap. Just be aware of the weight of the cap using some of your available payload. The price difference between a 1 ton and a 3/4 tons about $800-$1000. Physical size is exactly the same.
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2018, 07:37:41 AM »
Ohh boy. Here  we go. It's early but I think I might get the popcorn anyway.  :)
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2018, 08:54:05 AM »
Yes the trailer is too heavy for an SUV.  There is a reason trucks are the preferred vehicles to tow with.

If you haven't purchased the trailer yet and you don't want a truck then you should choose a smaller trailer.
If you have purchased the trailer then you will need to get a truck, IMO.  And for the most part there is no such thing as too much truck.

Personally I don't think "Dry Weight" should ever be published as the only time that might apply is driving it home when new.
You didn't say if it was new or used.  If used many times the previous owner will leave a few things in it for you, so it's already above
dry weight to start with.

Now if you really don't want to buy a truck - buy a 32-36ft motorhome and pull the SUV you now have.  Problem solved.  ;D
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2018, 09:06:45 AM »
With a 7700 lb dry weight, you are talking a GVWR in the 9000-10,000 lb arena and that's is going to exceed the capability of most any late model SUV.  Ford has an Expedition rated for about 9200 max and The GM Yukon XL goes to about 8400, but after adding passengers and gear in the SUV, there isn't enough tow capacity left for that size trailer. A full size van like the GM Express or Savannah 3500  would probably mange it - they can be had with tow capacity up to 10,000 lbs.

Realistically, though, you should be looking at a 2500 or 3500 pick-up.  An upscale trim crew-cab model is every bit as nice a driver as a big SUV.
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2018, 01:07:31 PM »
There are plenty 1/2 ton trucks that will tow that trailer safety and with plenty of payload to spare.

1. F150 with the 5.0, or 3.5 Eco boost with the heavy duty payload package.

2. Chevy Silverado with the Max Trailering package will handle it and leave you with plenty of payload to spare.

A 3/4 ton truck won't hurt, but it will not be necessary for safe towing on that trailer.

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2018, 01:27:49 PM »
Ohh boy. Here  we go. It's early but I think I might get the popcorn anyway.  :)

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2018, 01:32:06 PM »
the 2005 Ford Excursion with the V10 is about the only one, unless you can find a GM 2500

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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2018, 03:43:37 PM »
I used to have a 1500 Silverado with Max Trailer Package pulling a 5,500# trailer.  Even with an Equalizer WD it was as much as it could handle.

You need a 2500 truck or an old 2500 Excursion or 2500 Suburban at least for the kind of trailer you are considering.
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2018, 04:48:08 PM »
I priced an F150 Ecoboost, 4x2 Supercrew, 145" WB, 3:73 rear. GCWR for truck is 17,000 ponds with max loaded trailer weight of 11,700 pound. Priced out at $37,800. I believe this truck would pull that trailer with no problems.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2018, 07:36:16 PM »
There are plenty 1/2 ton trucks that will tow that trailer safety and with plenty of payload to spare.

I respectfully disagree.  There are a FEW ˝ trucks that MIGHT handle the load.  The F150 WITH HD PAYLOAD is one, but they are hard to find.

Remember, that trailer will drop 1000# or more onto the bumper, and your payload (not the advertised payload) must handle that, plus all passengers and cargo carried in the truck.  Many nicely equipped ˝ ton trucks will have yellow placard payloads of 1500# or less.  That is NOT enough to safely handle that TT.
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2018, 06:00:18 AM »
Hi and welcome to the forum.

Here is our experience.

This is the weight info for our TT:

Dry Weight 7,470 lbs. GVWR 10,500 lbs. Hitch Weight 1,025 lbs.

We wanted a 1/2 ton truck but quickly realised it was not possible as we couldn't find any with the CCC we needed, that's not to say there aren't any out there, but we couldn't get one. 

Even whilst looking for a 3/4 ton we struggled to get the CCC.

I am so glad I came to this forum before we made our purchase or we could have made a costly mistake.

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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2018, 06:07:08 AM »
Sure there are quite a few configuration of each 1/2 trucks that will not  have the specs for that trailer,  but besides the Ram, each manufacturer has quite at least a crew cab 4x4 (Double Cab for Toyota) that will safely handle that trailer just fine, especially Ford and GM.

That 1,500 lbs payload you mentioned is the 1/2 ton with the worse towing configurations, and even the off the lot CC 4x4 with the 3.42 rear will handle that trailer,  and meet all capacities, but I will swap to LT tires and maybe bilstiein shocks.

That Max Trailering package from GM will take a 1,000 lbs hitch and ready to camp gear with payload to spare.

That F150 5.0 and the 3.5 EB CC HDPP, 4x4 got even greater payload and towing ratings than GM, and there isn't a "might" in the equation, it will haul that trailer safely, and all four seats full of passengers.

That is why Ford and GM made such higher rated 1/2 tons...to haul more, and pull more than your typical off the lot 1/2, and most travel trailers fall within those capacities.

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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2018, 06:22:50 AM »
Hi and welcome to the forum.

Here is our experience.

This is the weight info for our TT:

Dry Weight 7,470 lbs. GVWR 10,500 lbs. Hitch Weight 1,025 lbs.

We wanted a 1/2 ton truck but quickly realised it was not possible as we couldn't find any with the CCC we needed, that's not to say there aren't any out there, but we couldn't get one. 

Even whilst looking for a 3/4 ton we struggled to get the CCC.

I am so glad I came to this forum before we made our purchase or we could have made a costly mistake.

If you are planning on maxing out that trailer, the only 1/2 ton I would trust would be the Ford F150 with the heavy duty payload package, CC 3.5 EB. (2400 lbs plus payload) even on the XLT 4x4, but dealers rarely carry those on the lot, and owners hang on to those that are out there.

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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2018, 06:36:18 AM »
I priced an F150 Ecoboost, 4x2 Supercrew, 145" WB, 3:73 rear. GCWR for truck is 17,000 ponds with max loaded trailer weight of 11,700 pound. Priced out at $37,800. I believe this truck would pull that trailer with no problems.

That configuration is similar to what I am looking for to tow my 37 ft, 8300 pound dry, 9800 max travel trailer. The CC, 4x4 3.5 EB, HDPP, 6.5 bed, with roughly 2,400 lbs payload, leave me with plenty of payload and towing capacity to spare. I want to install a bed cap and have the ability to tow with plenty of fresh water if need be.

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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2018, 06:42:17 AM »
I used to have a 1500 Silverado with Max Trailer Package pulling a 5,500# trailer.  Even with an Equalizer WD it was as much as it could handle.

You need a 2500 truck or an old 2500 Excursion or 2500 Suburban at least for the kind of trailer you are considering.

If I was looking for a 1/2 ton to tow a heaver trailer, your comments would not be useful without the year of your 1/2,  especially if it came with the weak 5.3 and four speed transmission.

If your 1/2 ton and Max Trailering package was one of those older 2010 and older model, it wouldn't be of any use when it comes to a newer and more capable Silverado with the Max Trailering package.

I would definitely not make a purchase based on this testimonial.
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2018, 07:00:41 AM »
With the 2013 Ram 1500, two wheel drive I had, using a Reese Dual Cam WDH, I pulled a trailer that had a GVWR of just over 9600#. There was no way I could load that trailer to the max with that setup. I have the luxury to have two certified truck scales to use, and found about 8200# was the max I could do. That took a lot of work adjusting the load in the trailer, and a lot more work adjusting the hitch. I was right at the raggedy edge of my weight limits. In all fairness, the Ram handled the load very well, probably a lot due to the hitch. I had not pulled in the mountains, but had run 6% grades with no problems. I drove in 20 mph crosswinds with gusts up to 30 mph. I had to do an emergency maneuver when a hoopdi decided to make a right turn in front of me from the left lane. The Ram handled it all in stride, with no handling issues, and the braking was way more than adequate.  BTW, that trailer was 34' from hitch to bumper. I pulled that same trailer with an F-250 for a while. The truck could have handled the trailer without a WDH, but I set up my Dual Cam for it anyway to help with sway from crosswinds and passing trucks. I believe it was due to not having hardly any load on the spring bars, therefore not letting the hitch do it's job effectively, but I felt more push with crosswinds and passing trucks with that setup then I did with the Ram.
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2018, 07:12:13 AM »
With the 2013 Ram 1500, two wheel drive I had, using a Reese Dual Cam WDH, I pulled a trailer that had a GVWR of just over 9600#. There was no way I could load that trailer to the max with that setup. I have the luxury to have two certified truck scales to use, and found about 8200# was the max I could do. That took a lot of work adjusting the load in the trailer, and a lot more work adjusting the hitch. I was right at the raggedy edge of my weight limits. In all fairness, the Ram handled the load very well, probably a lot due to the hitch. I had not pulled in the mountains, but had run 6% grades with no problems. I drove in 20 mph crosswinds with gusts up to 30 mph. I had to do an emergency maneuver when a hoopdi decided to make a right turn in front of me from the left lane. The Ram handled it all in stride, with no handling issues, and the braking was way more than adequate.  BTW, that trailer was 34' from hitch to bumper. I pulled that same trailer with an F-250 for a while. The truck could have handled the trailer without a WDH, but I set up my Dual Cam for it anyway to help with sway from crosswinds and passing trucks. I believe it was due to not having hardly any load on the spring bars, therefore not letting the hitch do it's job effectively, but I felt more push with crosswinds and passing trucks with that setup then I did with the Ram.

This is the type of detailed testimonial that would help me determine whether I need a larger truck...from RVer who has been towing with a modern 1/2 ton, as opposed to an old truck, or unknown spec 1/2 ton that was under spec.

After a few years of lurking, I discovered pretty quick that, "not enough truck", are more likely from guys who just like big trucks, and think that if you are towing anything, just get the biggest truck possible.

Besides towing my RV, I have absolutely no use, or desire for a truck...I'd take a fast four door sedan any day. :)

Thanks for the information.
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2018, 07:45:19 AM »
Just spec'ed out a Ford F-150 XL 3.5L Ecoboost 4x2 Supercrew 6.5 bed 3:55 Heavy Duty Payload Pkg

Curb WT-4980
GVWR-7850
Payload-2870
Max Tow Rating-12,700

When I am ready to upgrade our TT I will order this truck. Reason, gas mileage.
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2018, 07:53:48 AM »
Just spec'ed out a Ford F-150 XL 3.5L Ecoboost 4x2 Supercrew 6.5 bed 3:55 Heavy Duty Payload Pkg

Curb WT-4980
GVWR-7850
Payload-2870
Max Tow Rating-12,700

When I am ready to upgrade our TT I will order this truck. Reason, gas mileage.

that is a very very base model truck with almost no options which may be fine for some but others may want some creature comforts that same rear gear 3.55 is one of the reasons i bought my current truck - the mileage should be good as compared to my chevy with the 3.73, but now i have a dually again with more rolling resistance but a payload of over 5000 lbs and all the creature comforts lol
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2018, 08:10:15 AM »
that is a very very base model truck with almost no options which may be fine for some but others may want some creature comforts that same rear gear 3.55 is one of the reasons i bought my current truck - the mileage should be good as compared to my chevy with the 3.73, but now i have a dually again with more rolling resistance but a payload of over 5000 lbs and all the creature comforts lol

Most all the vehicles I purchase are base models. Less crap/less problems. The TT we are looking at has GVWR of 5600 lbs.
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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2018, 08:22:09 AM »
Gator, I would be willing to bet those are brochure numbers. Try to find one on a dealer's lot with the specs you stated and then look at the infamous yellow sticker. I doubt the curb weight and payload would be as you stated.
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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2018, 08:24:49 AM »
Most all the vehicles I purchase are base models. Less crap/less problems. The TT we are looking at has GVWR of 5600 lbs.
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Different strokes different folks which is why there is so many varaiations on the same theme i like the comforts and you like them bare - hey its all good
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2018, 08:57:18 AM »
The Heavy Duty Payload option makes a huge difference in the trailering capability for the F150 EcoBoost.   Be careful, though, because it does not guarantee a net Payload (OCCC) or 2900 lbs. Instead, it increases the GVWR by upgrading wheels, tires and suspension, along with an 8 ft box. The Payload/OCCC is still the difference between the truck curb weight and the GVWR, so trim level and options still reduce the net difference.  Ford says the max possible payload on an EcoBoost F150 is 2230 with standard suspension and 2900 with the HD Payload option, so it adds a net of 670 lbs.  If a typical F150 EcoBoost ends up with a payload around 1500 lbs, then adding the HD package can be expected to increase that to about 2170 lbs.

This news article (not direct from Ford) has a layman's explanation of how the HD Payload option helps both EcoBoost and V8-equipped F150's..

http://www.automotive-fleet.com/channel/vehicle-research/news/story/2015/03/ford-offers-heavy-payload-f-150-to-commercial-users.aspx
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2018, 09:01:38 AM »
The biggest problem with buying a 3/4 or 1 ton truck is a large percentage of the time you drive that truck.. you are not towing anything.

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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2018, 09:21:45 AM »
The Heavy Duty Payload option makes a huge difference in the trailering capability for the F150 EcoBoost.   Be careful, though, because it does not guarantee a net Payload (OCCC) or 2900 lbs. Instead, it increases the GVWR by upgrading wheels, tires and suspension, along with an 8 ft box. The Payload/OCCC is still the difference between the truck curb weight and the GVWR, so trim level and options still reduce the net difference.  Ford says the max possible payload on an EcoBoost F150 is 2230 with standard suspension and 2900 with the HD Payload option, so it adds a net of 670 lbs.  If a typical F150 EcoBoost ends up with a payload around 1500 lbs, then adding the HD package can be expected to increase that to about 2170 lbs.

This news article (not direct from Ford) has a layman's explanation of how the HD Payload option helps both EcoBoost and V8-equipped F150's..

http://www.automotive-fleet.com/channel/vehicle-research/news/story/2015/03/ford-offers-heavy-payload-f-150-to-commercial-users.aspx

Actually,  the off the lot CC 4x4 has a payload rating in the 2,000 lbs range, but that includes Ford's soft suspension.

The heavy duty payload package will add around 600 or so pounds to the ratings to around 2,500 pounds, and tighten up that suspension to reduce sag and bounce.
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2018, 09:23:57 AM »
The Heavy Duty Payload option makes a huge difference in the trailering capability for the F150 EcoBoost.   Be careful, though, because it does not guarantee a net Payload (OCCC) or 2900 lbs. Instead, it increases the GVWR by upgrading wheels, tires and suspension, along with an 8 ft box. The Payload/OCCC is still the difference between the truck curb weight and the GVWR, so trim level and options still reduce the net difference.  Ford says the max possible payload on an EcoBoost F150 is 2230 with standard suspension and 2900 with the HD Payload option, so it adds a net of 670 lbs.  If a typical F150 EcoBoost ends up with a payload around 1500 lbs, then adding the HD package can be expected to increase that to about 2170 lbs.

This news article (not direct from Ford) has a layman's explanation of how the HD Payload option helps both EcoBoost and V8-equipped F150's..

http://www.automotive-fleet.com/channel/vehicle-research/news/story/2015/03/ford-offers-heavy-payload-f-150-to-commercial-users.aspx


I love MAX POSSIBLE  lingo - then try to find it, even with a special order its next to impossible because after they publish the numbers they start to group packages so you cant actually get THAT truck but it does make for great advertising and pr

On a side note we were at the RV show in town on the weekend and on a whole ton of rvs were pasted stars xxxx lbs or 1/2 ton towable they were all dry weights not real weights all meant to hook you
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2018, 09:28:43 AM »
Actually,  the off the lot CC 4x4 has a payload rating in the 2,000 lbs range, but that includes Ford's soft suspension.

The heavy duty payload package will add around 600 or so pounds to the ratings to around 2,500 pounds, and tighten up that suspension to reduce sag and bounce.

100% possible on a base truck but not on a lariet or platinum so make sure to compare apple to apples
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2018, 09:31:36 AM »
Gator, I would be willing to bet those are brochure numbers. Try to find one on a dealer's lot with the specs you stated and then look at the infamous yellow sticker. I doubt the curb weight and payload would be as you stated.

You may very well be correct. If I cannot find a truck on the lot that meets my needs I will order one. Based on the loaded trailer weight if the TT I am looking at I don't think a few hundred pounds one way another will make any difference.
The Heavy Duty Payload option makes a huge difference in the trailering capability for the F150 EcoBoost.   Be careful, though, because it does not guarantee a net Payload (OCCC) or 2900 lbs. Instead, it increases the GVWR by upgrading wheels, tires and suspension, along with an 8 ft box. The Payload/OCCC is still the difference between the truck curb weight and the GVWR, so trim level and options still reduce the net difference.  Ford says the max possible payload on an EcoBoost F150 is 2230 with standard suspension and 2900 with the HD Payload option, so it adds a net of 670 lbs.  If a typical F150 EcoBoost ends up with a payload around 1500 lbs, then adding the HD package can be expected to increase that to about 2170 lbs.

This news article (not direct from Ford) has a layman's explanation of how the HD Payload option helps both EcoBoost and V8-equipped F150's..

http://www.automotive-fleet.com/channel/vehicle-research/news/story/2015/03/ford-offers-heavy-payload-f-150-to-commercial-users.aspx

The TT I am looking at has a GVWR of 5600 lbs. That equates to roughly, using 10%, about a 600lb tongue weight. Even using 12% my tongue weight would be  672lbs. Well below the payload of the truck.

The biggest problem with buying a 3/4 or 1 ton truck is a large percentage of the time you drive that truck.. you are not towing anything.

This is the biggest reaso for looking at the F150 withe ecoboost. I know the 250 is not really much bigger than the 150 but I like the idea of the ecoboost. If I went with a 250 I would want the diesel which would increase the cost by about 4K.
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Different strokes different folks which is why there is so many varaiations on the same theme i like the comforts and you like them bare - hey its all good

If I could choose options off an a la carte menu I would certainly have a few. Many times the option you want has to be purchased within a package that cost way more than the single option desired. Not to mention the package contains options I care nothing about. Besides, I am trying to keep the cost of our hobby at bay.
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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2018, 10:07:37 AM »
I don't understand why someone would buy an F150 with the heavy payload option.  Surely not for the ride since my neighbor had one and even he agreed my 1 ton GMC rode heck lot better than his F150 heavy payload truck.  He caught so heck from his DW that he ended up trading it on an F150 max tow and yes it rides better than my GMC 1 ton but the only thing he tows in a trailer with two jet skis less than 1000 pounds.   His new truck is loaded with the highest trim package and yellow sticker payload of 13XX pounds.
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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2018, 10:25:14 AM »
I don't understand why someone would buy an F150 with the heavy payload option.  Surely not for the ride since my neighbor had one and even he agreed my 1 ton GMC rode heck lot better than his F150 heavy payload truck.  He caught so heck from his DW that he ended up trading it on an F150 max tow and yes it rides better than my GMC 1 ton but the only thing he tows in a trailer with two jet skis less than 1000 pounds.   His new truck is loaded with the highest trim package and yellow sticker payload of 13XX pounds.

Conversely, I don't understand why someone would buy a 1 ton dually to tow a 5000lb TT.  Like Steveblonde said in an earlier post "Different strokes for different folks".
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« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2018, 10:39:27 AM »
I don't understand why someone would buy an F150 with the heavy payload option.  Surely not for the ride since my neighbor had one and even he agreed my 1 ton GMC rode heck lot better than his F150 heavy payload truck.  He caught so heck from his DW that he ended up trading it on an F150 max tow and yes it rides better than my GMC 1 ton but the only thing he tows in a trailer with two jet skis less than 1000 pounds.   His new truck is loaded with the highest trim package and yellow sticker payload of 13XX pounds.

You spec the HDPP for extra payload while hauling or towing. If you need a vehicle for mall shopping, I'd suggest a SUV.

Personally, I wouldn't want a truck as a daily driver, as I have two sedan for those duties. I like trucks for what it does, simular to having  a hammer for driving nails, or a good drill for drilling...just a tool for towing.

If manufacturers didn’t see the need or demand for added payload and towing for their 1/2 tons, I'm betting they wouldn't have made them available, but would steer customers to their 3/4 ton instead, and that what I would have been  looking to purchase. They are there for a reason, and I'm taking advantage of it.

I rent a 3/4 ton from Enterprise to tow my RV, but that thing is huge, and at 6'2, 225, that thing is still a pain in the butt to climb up into. To me, it is worse than getting into my Hondas
My friend's 1/2 ton is much better, and it isn't as long
I enjoy the grace, nimbleness and agility of my cars, that I don't foresee me taking many trips when not towing, so any size truck would be utilized for why I purchased a truck...for towing.


A big 2018 F350 SCrew dually diesel Platinum is not something I would want, unless I had a 15,000 lbs 5th wheel that needs towing.  Not even at the same price of a F150.... I would sell it.
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« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2018, 12:49:31 PM »
OK, so you don't care about the ride it's all about the payload.  Putting LT tires and heavy suspension on the light truck makes it ride really rough but if that the ride doesn't bother you then go ahead.   I would personnel would spring for heavy truck and better ride and I would purchase diesel for anything over 10,000 pounds that because I don't like to to listening to the engine screaming and yes I know it doesn't hurt them.  Yes, the standard F150 without Heavy Payload rides better than any of my 1 ton or 3/4 ton trucks.  If I was looking at GVWR of the trailer around 5,000 pounds I would concider a F150 just not one with the Heavy Payload Option. 
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« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2018, 12:59:42 PM »
Interest fact on diesel option.....

I paid 6,500 MSRP for the diesel option but I got 12% off MSRP of the truck so I paid 5720 for the option after taking the 12% discount.  I went to Used Car Prices and found that on a 4-year truck the diesel option adds 6100 to the retail price and 5850 to the wholesale price.  What other option can you put on a truck that you can recoup more than you paid for it? 
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2018, 01:25:43 PM »
You spec the HDPP for extra payload while hauling or towing. If you need a vehicle for mall shopping, I'd suggest a SUV.

Personally, I wouldn't want a truck as a daily driver, as I have two sedan for those duties. I like trucks for what it does, simular to having  a hammer for driving nails, or a good drill for drilling...just a tool for towing.

If manufacturers didn’t see the need or demand for added payload and towing for their 1/2 tons, I'm betting they wouldn't have made them available, but would steer customers to their 3/4 ton instead, and that what I would have been  looking to purchase. They are there for a reason, and I'm taking advantage of it.

I rent a 3/4 ton from Enterprise to tow my RV, but that thing is huge, and at 6'2, 225, that thing is still a pain in the butt to climb up into. To me, it is worse than getting into my Hondas
My friend's 1/2 ton is much better, and it isn't as long
I enjoy the grace, nimbleness and agility of my cars, that I don't foresee me taking many trips when not towing, so any size truck would be utilized for why I purchased a truck...for towing.


A big 2018 F350 SCrew dually diesel Platinum is not something I would want, unless I had a 15,000 lbs 5th wheel that needs towing.  Not even at the same price of a F150.... I would sell it.

I had a Solitude 310GK 35 foot 5er with 2350 dry pin weight and exceed my GVWR (11500) and close to axle ratings before I added a generator and washer and dryer.  I was faced with selling my GMC 1 ton and SRW and going to DRW or exceed my GAWR if I set up the 5er like I wanted it.  I only use the truck for towing and have no need for one in my daily life so a DRW would become a detached motor for my RV.  I decided to put them together and bought a motorhome.  Now I have over 5,000 pounds of payload and still, have over 3000 pounds of payload left over after loading up for a 30-day trip.   I have 10,000 towing capacity and tow 2017 Jeep Wrangler and I load my Cricket golfcart in the back of the jeep and Kayaks on the roof.  Solved my problem of being overweight and where to carry my toys.  Each of us solves our problems a different way and will never tow another RV PERIOD.  But that's me.....
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« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2018, 01:31:32 PM »
Any BETS that the original poster MandM never posts again on this website.  I simple SUV question, and a full out spec war on pickup trucks.  I love it !!!  ::)

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« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2018, 01:45:23 PM »
OK, so you don't care about the ride it's all about the payload.  Putting LT tires and heavy suspension on the light truck makes it ride really rough but if that the ride doesn't bother you then go ahead.   I would personnel would spring for heavy truck and better ride and I would purchase diesel for anything over 10,000 pounds that because I don't like to to listening to the engine screaming and yes I know it doesn't hurt them.  Yes, the standard F150 without Heavy Payload rides better than any of my 1 ton or 3/4 ton trucks.  If I was looking at GVWR of the trailer around 5,000 pounds I would concider a F150 just not one with the Heavy Payload Option.

As I recalled, it was owner's wife who complained about the ride of the HDPP truck, and although I've read how that option is more stiffer than the off the lot F150, I've gathered that it is a good ride, but just a bit stiffer and it pays off with a heavy load by providing a more stable and smoother ride.

Those perspectives are the ones I'm hanging my hat on,.versus a man's wife looking for a softer riding  truck.  In addition,  I have no idea whether his LT tires were  filled to it's towing psi...it was never mentioned.

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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2018, 01:55:52 PM »
Any BETS that the original poster MandM never posts again on this website.  I simple SUV question, and a full out spec war on pickup trucks.  I love it !!!  ::)

That's because the Sticker Police turn every towing question into a doomsday event.

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« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2018, 02:19:34 PM »
That's because the Sticker Police turn every towing question into a doomsday event.

Probably a better option than the guys that tell folks that they can safely tow a 20K 5ver with a Toro garden tractor as long as they use LT tires and buy a set of air bags for the truck.   ;D
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« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2018, 02:44:23 PM »
Just get one of these and never have to worry about weight again. Remember the moto; you can never have too much truck!

http://rvhaulers.ca/
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« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2018, 02:47:17 PM »
Couda, shouda, wouda, you will hear all sorts of opinion about tow vehicles. The only thing that count are the real numbers.

Real number come from the CAT scales and tell you what each axel is carrying. You might have 1000 lbs. on the tongue or 700 lbs. on the tongue, plus you do not know how the WD hitch is distributing it.

So, locate the sticker that tells you what the pay load or maximum vehicle weight is for your tow vehicle is. (it will probably show the max axle loading also) Take your rig, loaded for the road, to the scales and get the true weight on each axle. Re-weigh just the tow vehicle.

Now you have the REAL numbers for YOUR rig, not someone's opinion or best guess. From this you can tell how close or how much over your load limit you are. Once you know where you stand you can decide what you want to do about it. Do you want to buy a big TV, a bigger TV or the biggest TV they make. That is a personal decision, that others cannot make for you.

From my experience weight guesses are usually understated. My tow vehicle is at it's weight limit when we leave on vacation it gains and losses weight depending on gas, water, food, tank levels etc.

Good luck

       

   
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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2018, 02:50:44 PM »
I try to leave a few hundred pounds in case I want to pick up a hitchhiker.
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« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2018, 03:15:23 PM »
Just get one of these and never have to worry about weight again. Remember the moto; you can never have too much truck!

http://rvhaulers.ca/
But a post like this will start a debate on parking, parking in a parking garage, city driving, wide hips, CDL vs regular license,  etc etc

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« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2018, 05:56:04 PM »
Sorry..but those numbers are for the load the wheels and tires can safely withstand..... and your vehicle's mechanical warranty.   

Those numbers are the theoretical limits done with lots of guidance from corporate attorneys and accountants.

In reality.... People all over the world take a 1/2 ton American truck and put the whole family and a 2000 lb. water buffalo in the back, and drive to town on unpaved roads. ....(Speed is everything)

Legally...as a private vehicle you can modify your 1/2 ton truck (as needed whatever it takes) to pull the biggest 5th wheel toyhauler ever made,.... and you can paint right over the 'yellow sticker'.


If it was me I'd buy whatever vehicle you really want,  and modify it as needed to tow whatever trailer you really want.

I used to see homemade Dual Real Wheel Surburbans towing huge trailers all the time.
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Re: Trailer Too Heavy For Me to Pull...Need HELP!
« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2018, 06:33:15 PM »
I had a nice chat one day with someone who bought a big toy hauler that the RV dealer swore could be safely towed by their half ton Toyota Tundra. After they replaced the transmission on the Tundra for the second time, they bought  3/4 ton diesel pickup. Do not think you can violate weight limits without consequences.
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« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2018, 06:35:02 PM »
I had a nice chat one day with someone who bought a big toy hauler that the RV dealer swore could be safely towed by their half ton Toyota Tundra. After they replaced the transmission on the Tundra for the second time, they bought  3/4 ton diesel pickup. Do not think you can violate weight limits without consequences.

I had a friend that had a Toyota pickup (250k) that never towed anything and it's on the 3rd trans. Toyotas are not bullet proof anymore.

  No load requires Diesel.

Proper size tires and rear axle size/gear ratio is one of the most important factors for good towing.  The old gasoline powered trucks had no trouble with any GVW.  That split ratio rear axle makes it all possible. 

I used to drive a DOT reg 54k lb gasoline powered (572 c/i Ford) 10 wheel crane truck that went across scales everyday at max GVW... with no cargo.    Lots and lots of gear shifting.. but that gas powered truck faithfully went to work (not quickly) across the country 5 days a week for many years.

If you wanted to spend the money you could put that same engine trans and axle in a Toyota Tundra.    ;)
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« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2018, 07:45:11 PM »
Any properly licensed driver in a privately owned and modified vehicle, if safely done can Legally tow any size and weight legal private trailer. (and does not need to go across any scales to be on the highway).

The law states the vehicles need to be safely operated and it's up to the driver to make sure it does. The Yellow Sticker on a private vehicle is not a DOT weight mandate. Private vehicles can be modified to handle more weight.

The laws requiring people to get non-com CDL drivers license to understand 'how' to drive a large vehicle is a separate issue.
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« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2018, 08:18:04 PM »
GATOR:

Is it to late to grab a chair and join you?  I'll bring some chips!
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« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2018, 08:41:35 PM »
 some states allow any 16 year old licensed driver to legally operate this privately owned RV through every state in America.   :o

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« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2018, 10:10:04 PM »
GATOR:

Is it to late to grab a chair and join you?  I'll bring some chips!

Come on over. I'm on my 3rd bottle of wine. I could use those chips.
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« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2018, 07:50:31 AM »
some states allow any 16 year old licensed driver to legally operate this privately owned RV through every state in America.   :o

Land of the free  ;),  and ALL states allow any 18 year old go fight and die for their country to allow this freedom.  Just a shame they can't enjoy a beer or glass of wine after they defeat the enemy.

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« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2018, 08:18:50 AM »
In the old days, Anyone in the military was able to drink alcohol on base at the EM or Officer's Clubs regardless of age, but I think that was changed in the '80's. It's my understanding they go by the laws of the state the base is located in. I'm not sure what they do for overseas installations.
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« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2018, 09:39:14 AM »
I had a friend that had a Toyota pickup (250k) that never towed anything and it's on the 3rd trans. Toyotas are not bullet proof anymore.

  No load requires Diesel.
250K miles and third transmission wouldn’t be a huge issue. A third transmission by 30K miles definitely was. And I agree that no bumper pull requires a diesel, but they sure make towing much easier. No continuous shifting going up or down mountains is a big plus for diesels, and I will never be without an exhaust brake on a big vehicle again. We would be tired at the end of the day driving the gas Tundra for 8-9 hours. With the Ram diesel, we are no longer tired at the end of a long day.

The OP can make up his or her own mind, but ignoring what the manufacturer tells you has consequences. If you are willing to accept the consequequences you can ignore the expert advice. His or her call..
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« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2018, 09:53:07 AM »
I try to leave a few hundred pounds in case I want to pick up a hitchhiker.

The only hitchhikers I am willing to pick up are in the 125 lb range.
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