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Good Chinese tire?
« on: March 04, 2018, 11:18:19 AM »
Thought I would make it home on my TowMax Power King 235 80R 16 tires, but decided against it.  The edges were just too far gone for me to chance the 2,500 KM drive home.  Having had good success with Discount Tire for other services, I tried them.  Wanted Goodyear tires, but man, are they expensive!  As trailer tires don't last a long time anyway (even if the wheels are aligned), I decided to 'cheap out' to get me home, and maybe one more season.  They sold me a set of Contender TT868 tires (apparently made by Greenball of China).  The specs are impressive.

Load range E, and speed rating M.  Pretty impressive for an $86 tire.

Time will tell, and I'll report back if there are any issues.  Reviews are all over the map on tires, from one star to 5 star, so it may depend on the ones that you actually get installed on your trailer.  However, based on some reports, they may work out alright.

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Re: Good Chinese tire?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2018, 11:25:38 AM »
If they work for you that's great but honestly, I am scared to trust cheap tires. I had a blowout at highway speed, it wasn't pretty. Safety first.

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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2018, 04:31:20 PM »
 What are you calling an expensive tire?? mine cost $700.00 per,, times four across the rear.>>>Dan
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Re: Good Chinese tire?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2018, 07:40:45 PM »
"Good Chinese" tire? Good and Chinese do not go together.
 

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Re: Good Chinese tire?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2018, 02:42:37 PM »
I have to agree with above two responses, I have read nothing good about Chinese tires and it seems they have a fairly high failure/blow-out rate.  I am one to save a buck when I can, but tires being the only thing between me and/or my vehicles and the road I prefer to spend the extra dollars on excellent tires, to do otherwise IMHO is false economy.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2018, 09:00:18 PM »
Take a look at Goodyear Endurance tires. They are made in USA.
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2018, 09:07:49 PM »
We have a lot of people online whom think anything made by the Chinese is junk. I would not bother to listen to the negative online reviews on Chinese goods.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2018, 08:18:31 AM »
 8) I bought a set of 6 Rated E tires for my Class C 27"  MH. They were made in China, the dealer said the CT stood for Continental Tire! I drove on them for 7 years and approximately 6,500 miles. Kept my air pressure set at the wheel specs, checked for tire damage every time I parked for a day or so! No problems and I weighed in at about 12,500 lbs. Traveled at 58-62 MPH.   ;D ;D
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Re: Good Chinese tire?
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2018, 08:29:47 AM »
Low priced tires made in China should be suspect, they are made there simply because of price.  Online reviews can be a good thing. if failures are reported they are not all liars.

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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2018, 09:04:18 AM »
In my opinion...  Merely being made in a Chinese factory does not constitute being a "China Bomb".  Many large, international tire brands have their own factories in China, or outsource some of their tire sizes or models to Chinese factories.  They enforce their design and production quality standards.  They also warranty the tire through their own distribution channels, so you don't have the ship a failed tire back to a Chinese factory. The "country of origin" maybe China, but those name brand tires are made to international standards.

But I would still be wary of ultra-cheap brand x tires from Chinese factories. There is more to cutting prices to the bone than just brand name advertising costs or higher dealer mark-ups. Skimping on production and design quality will increase the risk of getting a tire that is out-of-round or susceptible to internal failure. 80-90% of those tires may be fine for 80%-90% of driving and environmental conditions, but what happens if you happen to be in the other 10-20%? And how much is that worth to you.   There are many excellent brands that don't cost a lot more than the brand x's - you don't have to go with Michelin or Goodyear or Bridgestone to get a good quality tire.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2018, 09:06:51 AM »
.. Good and Chinese do not go together.

I remember back in the 60's they said that about Japan products.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2018, 06:31:55 PM »

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If they work for you that's great but honestly, I am scared to trust cheap tires. I had a blowout at highway speed, it wasn't pretty. Safety first.


Well, I'm hoping that the higher than average E load rating, and the much higher than average M speed rating mean that in 'normal' settings I can get good wear out of them.


IIUC, the Chinese manufacturers have taken a lot of flak (and deservedly so) for sub-standard tires, and are working to 'up their game' as the bad press is bad for business.


The Power King Towmaster tires that I had before were considered to be a 'good' tire, and they too were made in China.  As are Maxxis, IIRC.  In fact, until the Goodyear ST tires hit the market, were not ALL ST tires made in China?  When I contacted Michelin, they denied having ANY ST tires in their lineup, and they refused to give me an LT equivalent.


Anyway, time will tell.  My E rated Chinese tires should carry 3520 lbs each, or 14,080 lbs total.  My trailer is just under 11K fully loaded and wet (of which about 1K is on the hitch, leaving 10K on the tires), which should give me a decent safety margin, particularly considering that I don't travel that fast, and seldom travel in the heat of summer.


In any case, we'll see, I guess!  I'll let you know if I end up in the ditch!  :-)


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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2018, 10:05:20 AM »
Anecdotal reports of tires are highly unreliable. Few contain enough factual information to make any judgement about the cause of failures and few owners pay much attention to a tire until it fails. Reports almost universally claim the tire was always inflated "properly", even though they rarely have any notion of what "proper" really is, and few bother to remember whether they drove over a curb months ago or otherwise caused stress.  I'm not claiming all reports are false or wrong, but you have to take them with several grains of salt.

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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2018, 03:39:00 PM »
Thanks, Gary. It is so nice to have your experience weigh in on this question. While I am sure that there are many substandard Chinese tires on the market, one does need to be reasonable in assessing things.


As mentioned, I will keep an eye on these tires and report back if there are any issues.
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2018, 06:13:40 PM »
As someone with numerous years of worldwide manufacturing experience, I have a problem with 'Good' and 'Chinese' in the same sentence. I've dealt with Chinese suppliers, subcontractors, and subsidiary companies since the 70's. Apologies if this offends your favorite Chinese tire manufacturer, but I wouldn't touch a Chinese manufactured tire. You're free to spend your $$$ wherever you wish, but caveat emptor.

No, I didn't visit a Chinese tire manufacturing facility, but it's a cultural issue.
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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2018, 06:38:17 PM »
Tom:


So, where were your tires manufactured prior to the arrival of the current US-manufactured Goodyear ones?  What brand?  I couldn't find any ST tires that were NOT Chinese.  I did get a set of Duro tires for our previous trailer that were made in Mexico, but couldn't find anything this time.


However, I know what you mean.  I did buy some in-dash entertainment systems for our vehicles that I imported from China.  One was DOA, one died within the year, and the third one I sold with the used car it was in.


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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2018, 06:43:52 PM »
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So, where were your tires manufactured prior to the arrival of the current US-manufactured Goodyear ones?

Frank, Our Michelin tires were manufactured in the USA, see here, and I didn't mention Goodyear  ???
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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2018, 06:46:12 PM »
Tom:


That link didn't work for me. I got a 404 message.


I did try Michelin, but they denied having any ST tires in their lineup at all.


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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2018, 06:49:06 PM »
Who mentioned an ST tire? I didn't. We have a 38 foot coach (DP) that sure doesn't use an ST Tire. Apologies if I confused the discussion.
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2018, 07:04:57 PM »
Who mentioned an ST tire? I didn't. We have a 38 foot coach (DP) that sure doesn't use an ST Tire. Apologies if I confused the discussion.


I thought I mentioned that in the original post where I said I was looking for tires for a trailer.  Also in post #11 where I mentioned that I had tried Michelin, and that they disavowed any knowledge of ST tires.  ;D


Ah well, we've all responded to a thread without reading it all first, I guess.


I love the Michelin AT/X tires on my truck.  They have worn well, and more importantly, have worn dead even right across the face.  Never had that happen before, and I've had 5 sets of tires on this aging '06, if one includes the snow tires.  I was sorely tempted to put LT tires on the trailer this time, but just didn't want to take a chance with insurance if anything DID happen.  Insurance companies will wriggle out of anything if they can.   :-\


Anyway, other than the recent Goodyear ST tires, I know of no other ST tires that are NOT Chinese, including some of the 'better' brands like Maxxis Power King / Towmaster, and so on.


Like I say, if this really doesn't work out, I will let everyone know.


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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2018, 07:09:36 PM »
Thanks Frank. 'Good' and 'Chinese' still don't belong in the same sentence, just my experience of many years. Wish you luck.
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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2018, 07:49:20 PM »
Thanks Frank. 'Good' and 'Chinese' still don't belong in the same sentence, just my experience of many years. Wish you luck.


Got it, and I don't disagree. I'm hoping that the Chinese tire manufacturers have learned something as a result of all the bad press. I guess I'll find out!  ;D   Like I say, the specs sure look good -- well beyond what I need for my unit.  And I'll be watching them VERY carefully.  So, stay tuned!


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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2018, 06:36:32 AM »
Maxxis tires are NOT made in China, they are made in Taiwan......and they have a very long history of being a quality tire.  My current  13K GVWR Toy Hauler has a set of four on it, after I ditched the original China Bomb Trailer King tires that came on it.  This is the third trailer that I've put Maxxis tires on and never had an issue with any of them, previous or current.  Spend your money however you want, just a heads up that there ARE good quality ST tires out there.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2018, 06:38:56 AM »
Thanks Frank. 'Good' and 'Chinese' still don't belong in the same sentence, just my experience of many years. Wish you luck.
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2018, 07:30:36 AM »
Thanks Frank. 'Good' and 'Chinese' still don't belong in the same sentence, just my experience of many years. Wish you luck.

This is a good read for those deciding on whether to buy Chinese. They can and do make many things in China that are quality but it hard to find out which ones. https://www.amazon.com/Poorly-Made-China-Insiders-Production/dp/0470928077

I always tried to buy Carlisle tires for my trailers and lawn equipment. Lately I have had several sets of trailer tires and mower tires begin leaking thru the sidewall, those are made in China. I also have some old carlisle tires that are made in America and are still holding air with little signs of sidewall cracking.

For those that still have faith in Chinese tires then feel free to put them on your motorcycle and ride the interstate.
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2018, 07:32:18 AM »
"Good Chinese" tire? Good and Chinese do not go together.

Then don't go through your house (or any American house) and look for Made In labels.............lol
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2018, 07:35:21 AM »
Maxxis tires are NOT made in China, they are made in Taiwan......


Maxxis is a subsidiary of Cheng Shin and produce their ST tires in Thailand.

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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2018, 09:04:03 AM »
Maxxis is a subsidiary of Cheng Shin and produce their ST tires in Thailand.

Oops, meant to say Thailand....thanks for picking up on that!   :o
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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2018, 08:44:40 AM »
Our EZ Loader boat trailer came with C rated GY Marathons made in New Zealand. Lasted ~7 yrs then had a tread separation. Replaced one then went another year then all new Maxxis M8008. Our new Montana 3791RD came with G rated 4,080# 14 ply Sailun ST635/R80-16. http://www.sailuntires.ca/MRT/S637.html   I've seen no bad reviews of Sailun Chinese made tires. I hear the new GY Endurance are made in USA.
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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2018, 05:51:05 PM »
Frank, Our Michelin tires were manufactured in the USA, see here, and I didn't mention Goodyear  ???

Michelin does manufacturer a lot of their tires here in the USA. However, they also have numerous tire manufacturing plants in operation all around the world, including China. All tires have a code on their sidewalls that can be used to verify just where that particular tire was manufactured, including the plant name and country where located.

Although we live about 10 miles from Michelin of North America, our last set of Michelin tires for our SUV were manufactured at a tire plant in France.
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