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Forest River vs Keystone
« on: March 05, 2018, 09:00:25 PM »
I've been looking at Forest River Wildwood 27RKSS (also Forest River Salem T27RKSS) which look to be the same model.
I've also been looking at Keystone Bullet Premier 29RKPR (totally different floor plan)

Which one is better made?  I can't seem to find anything on this. The sales people will gladly tell you one is crap and the other is better because......

How do you decide?  It seems the Keystone is made from aluminum studs vs wood?  Is Forest River also aluminum or wood?  I've heard aluminum is better because there's no wood rot. But wouldn't it rot in the floor vs the studs?

Help me. I'm confused. Thank you.



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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2018, 09:02:51 PM »
I feel you need to worry more about floor plan than construction techniques. How long an RV lasts depends on how well it is serviced, maintained and treated more than the brand name or construction techniques.
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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2018, 05:24:11 AM »
Floor plan is important. You need to think how you will live in it and keep warm etc.

Lots of owner forum's out there which might be useful although remember you are more likely to see negative reviews.

I suggest a good pre deliver inspection on whatever you choose to help avoid major issues. 

I don't think there are any perfect manufacturers out there.

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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2018, 08:03:38 AM »
Basically they are the same - both use Lippert or LCI components both are made on an assembly line by people if those people are having a good day they are both good but if Bob had a fight with his wife before he came to work today his workmanship is crap lol

Pick the floor plan you like, the one your vehicle can handle the best, and the one you get the best deal on


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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2018, 08:20:41 AM »
The phrase "Between the devil and the deep blue sea" comes to mind. :-\


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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2018, 08:36:34 AM »
Or "Ford vs Chevy"!
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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2018, 10:40:58 AM »
Ok so I hear you saying pick the floor plan. I believe I have. It's now wood vs aluminum. I think. It's hard to find out info on each one without involving a nosy salesperson.

Thanks I guess. I thought maybe a pro vs con would help.





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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2018, 10:52:04 AM »
Ok so I hear you saying pick the floor plan. I believe I have. It's now wood vs aluminum. I think. It's hard to find out info on each one without involving a nosy salesperson.

Thanks I guess. I thought maybe a pro vs con would help.
Well both have their pluses and minuses. Wood rots and aluminum is lighter. I have bought many RVs in my life and never once considered the material it was constructed out of in my decision. Most people won't keep their RV long enough for it to make any difference.
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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2018, 11:55:11 AM »
Rather than worry about the frame, I would ask what material the roof deck and flooring are made of. I chose a trailer that has marine grade plywood at both those areas rather than pressboard which will swell and disintegrate if it gets wet. No chipboard for me.
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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2018, 06:47:48 PM »
  We looked at some Forest River fivers last year and one gripe I had was they have a vent located right on the steps going up to the forward bedroom. Every one we looked as was all beat up where peopleís feet hit it going up the steps. Other than that, they had some really sweet floor plans. Some of the haphazard wiring runs and excess use of expando foam made it look a little chintzy, but not enough to make me not want to buy one. Our Keystone has aluminum studs. As stated, wood and aluminum both have good properties in different areas. Aluminum doesnít like to flex and develops cracks over time. Wood may rot, but if you have water in the area where your studs are you have bigger problems than material of construction. Screws seem to work loose easier in aluminum than wood in my opinion. I personally think all things considered, itís a wash. Probably why the experienced folks here are saying just pick one you like and donít worry so much about how they are built. When you look really close, none of the brands are engineering marvels.
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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2018, 07:05:32 PM »
Thank you all for the info. I think I'm being anal because I am going to travel and live in it full time and I don't want any hassles. If I have to order the model and options I want  I'm going to request loctite on the screws so they don't work their way out. Lol

Thank you so much.  Again




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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2018, 04:08:44 AM »
Thank you all for the info. I think I'm being anal because I am going to travel and live in it full time and I don't want any hassles. If I have to order the model and options I want  I'm going to request loctite on the screws so they don't work their way out. Lol

Thank you so much.  Again




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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2018, 12:43:07 PM »
Thank you.
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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2018, 01:10:09 PM »
Thank you all for the info. I think I'm being anal because I am going to travel and live in it full time and I don't want any hassles. If I have to order the model and options I want  I'm going to request loctite on the screws so they don't work their way out. Lol
First off let me say that if you don't want hassles then do not go RVing. RVing is full of many hassles. Most of which are hard to foresee or prevent. It is good you are doing some research before buying but give up on the idea of it being hassle free.
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2018, 06:07:52 PM »
As Tom said, no RV is trouble free!  Some are better than others.  Good timely maintenance is the best way to avoid issues.   His is permanently parked, and will likely be more trouble free than mine.  Any time a house bounces down the road, issues are bound to surface.  This does not mean to forget about RVing.  It means go in with realistic expectations.
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2018, 03:57:36 PM »
Three things have to match, floor plan, tow vehicle and cost. Of these,  floor plan remains when all else is forgotten of accepted.

The majority of TTs and 5vers are built in or near Elkhart Indiana with the same labor pool, suppliers base and model cost point. Aluminum sides dents, fiberglass sides debond, wood frames rot, aluminum corrodes, steel rusts etc. etc.

As mentioned it is the old Ford vs. Chevy vs. Ram. 

In general there is a reason you play more for a TT with the same features.

In answer to the question, go with the floor plan you like best.   

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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2018, 04:09:55 PM »
Thanks for the insights.

They both have the same floor plan. One has a complete covered underbelly. The other only the tanks.

One is wood - one is aluminum. One is thermal package - the other isn't.

They are about the same price.

I'll just go with my gut.

Thanks again!!




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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2018, 04:28:04 PM »
Thanks for the insights
I'll just go with my gut.
Thanks again!!
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2018, 04:34:23 PM »
It's all I have left to go on. Lol

When you're by yourself and seeking info from people and friends, in the long run you do have to go with your gut feeling.



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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2018, 04:36:16 PM »
It's all I have left to go on. Lol

When you're by yourself and seeking info from people and friends, in the long run you do have to go with your gut feeling.



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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2018, 05:02:55 PM »
Lmao!!   ;D
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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2018, 05:02:02 AM »
Thanks for the insights.

They both have the same floor plan. One has a complete covered underbelly. The other only the tanks.

One is wood - one is aluminum. One is thermal package - the other isn't.

They are about the same price.

I'll just go with my gut.

Thanks again!!




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We picked our 2018 Montana 3720RL last year and so far love it.  Very open floor plan.  It's a 4 Season so it's underbelly is insulated(closed) and has heated tanks if needed.  Yes it's heavier than a lot of other rigs but we picked it for long term stays (snow birding).  It's more expensive than some of the other Keystone 5th wheels but the construction seems a little beefier.  Did a lot of research before picking it.
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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2018, 09:45:29 AM »
Thanks for the info on your Montana.

I'm going with travel trailer not a 5th wheel. I know Montana's are fantastic. I saw a lot of them while traveling full time in a class A a couple of years ago.

I was at a stoplight yesterday and a SolAire trailer went by. Looked it up on my iPad when I got home. Looks like a nice trailer.

Anyone know about the SolAire???


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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2018, 06:53:18 PM »
Something else you can look at is the quality of the running gear. Cheaper units will use Chinese axles and bearings, and the shackles will be bushed with nylon inserts. Our arctic fox came from the factory with us-made Dexter axles, and wet bolts with zerk grease fittings on the shackles. While fit and finish on the rest of our arctic fox is only average for the industry, I'm still impressed with the care that went into the basic structure.
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2018, 08:04:02 PM »
Thanks!  I never thought of that!

Update- can't get the Forest River Wildwood - weighs too much for my tow vehicle.

So Keystone it is! 




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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2018, 05:49:30 PM »
Basically they are the same - both use Lippert or LCI components both are made on an assembly line by people if those people are having a good day they are both good but if Bob had a fight with his wife before he came to work today his workmanship is crap lol

Pick the floor plan you like, the one your vehicle can handle the best, and the one you get the best deal on


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Re: Forest River vs Keystone
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2018, 06:02:53 PM »
After all this research and looking........I've found another one I like.

Sunset Trail 291RK

so.....onward with the research. Lol




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