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02 Journey Slide Creep
« on: June 19, 2018, 11:33:10 AM »
Started getting some slide creep while driving. Also I am now getting what sounds like the hydraulic pumps running backwards after moving the slides in and releasing the toggle switch which did not occur before so it sounds like a valve is not closing and releasing the pressure in the system allowing the slides to creep while driving. Any trouble shooting advice here?

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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2018, 11:58:09 AM »
The first thing to check is hwh system fluid level. Low fluid level can cause slight creep. The other very, very common cause for a slide creeping out is that the retract solenoid needs to be replaced. It's not difficult to do, but you do have to know which one it is. There are a couple of other possible causes but they would have to be diagnosed by a technician.
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2018, 01:28:23 PM »
I did find some info on line, need to check if the 200 series HWH system is in my MH. It did list the likely cause is the check valve but also the retract solenoid could do it also. I think either would allow the retract line pressure to bleed off and allow creep out. Looks like both the check valve and retract solenoids are next to each other.

Any good sources for replacement parts or just call HWH?

thanks

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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2018, 07:26:11 AM »
HWH probably sources their solenoids from several industrial suppliers, if you know which solenoid was the problem, there could be some part numbers on it you could search for.
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2018, 05:02:36 PM »
I am an optimist - Let us know if the fluid level is low! :)
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2018, 05:24:05 PM »
According to Paul Maddox (azpete) over on iRV2.com, "if you just want to order parts, its often quicker to call stuarts in elkhart indiana. they stock a lot of hwh parts, and are a hwh master service center. they will give you the hwh retail price so you can compare that to others pricing."
Paul works for HWH, is active on iRV2.com (and other forums?), and appears always happy to help out another RVer with HWH-related issues, questions, etc.
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2018, 07:26:29 AM »
Great idea Chris!  :))
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2018, 11:06:05 AM »
What is slide creep and is it something that occurs only with hydraulic slides? 
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2018, 12:17:33 PM »
Hi Gary. Slide creep is when a slide starts moving out on its own, because the hydraulic pressure that normally holds it in place, bleeds down for one reason or another. It is my understanding that electric slides don't have the same problem, but they can certainly have other problems.

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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2018, 03:51:45 PM »
I will let everyone know what I find but my money is on a bad solenoid or check valve vs fluid level.

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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2018, 08:52:20 AM »
I will let everyone know what I find but my money is on a bad solenoid or check valve vs fluid level.
I'll be watching for your update as one of my slides tend to creep also, but does so after sitting for a while and not while driving.
Mine seems to be one cylinder that moves the most so I will assume that it's one or the other of what your money is on.
I also don't think the fluid level is low.
Mine unit has been sitting for about 3 months and I have had it creep 2 or 3 times and had to pull the slide back in.

Hope you get it figured out - maybe take pictures of what you replace?
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2018, 11:06:47 PM »
Been busy but finally checked the fluid and it was low so I topped it off. It is possible that low fluid caused this but can't be sure yet. The pump run on after releasing the slide close or open switch has stopped after a few uses so maybe air was in the lines causing this??? Went on a short trip this weekend and it was OK but I need to take a longer trip to be sure.

Now I have a sticking leveler on the pass rear side, comes down OK but needs help going up.... I friend of mine said there is a hydraulic company near by that can rebuild them. It's a PIA now to get it fully retracted.   

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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2018, 07:17:39 AM »
..Now I have a sticking leveler on the pass rear side, comes down OK but needs help going up.... I friend of mine said there is a hydraulic company near by that can rebuild them. It's a PIA now to get it fully retracted.
If the jack solenoid doesn't open up for jack retraction, the springs can't pull the jack up. If that solenoid is okay, the springs could be weak, or you simply need to wipe the jack shaft down with a light lube. I use pure silicon so no dust is attracted to the shaft.
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2018, 11:34:04 PM »
It will go up but requires a jack under it so it does take some force to do so. I need to do some more checking, a solenoid would be an easier fix for sure. Springs are likely original.

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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2018, 07:19:42 AM »
If you need to jack it up, then it sounds like the solenoid isn't opening.
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2018, 11:14:03 AM »
Do those solenoids have a manual release? That would be an easy test if so. Just have to figure out which one.

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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2018, 04:20:11 PM »
They do, there's some kind of T-bolt (or whatever) on top. There should be instructions in the HWH manual.
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2018, 12:47:52 PM »
On the slide creep, still doing it so I plan on ordering a retract solenoid. For the sticking jack, I opened the solenoid using the t-bolt and saw no improvement with that jack retracting. I also tried spraying silicon and it helped a bit but still needed to be jacked up to start retracting, once I jacked it up a few inches it went on its own,,, couple of weeks later need to jack it all the way up. Guessing that jack is bad. A buddy of mine said the shaft seal is very thick and can cause this problem. Going to wait till fall and take it off and have it rebuilt. Before doing that I will remove the hydraulic line and make sure it still won't retract.

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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2018, 04:26:46 PM »
Try new jack springs before you pull the jack.
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2018, 04:50:44 PM »
Based on how it jacked up, I don't think 10 springs would work. It needed a very good push to move. All of the springs do look original.

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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2018, 07:52:16 AM »
Before pulling the jack, one quick check. With the jack down, loosen the hydraulic line on the top of the jack, if it starts retracting then nothing wrong with the jack. If it still won't retract then probably the solenoid.
Prepare to catch a little oil when the line is loose.
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2018, 12:04:51 PM »
Before pulling the jack, one quick check. With the jack down, loosen the hydraulic line on the top of the jack, if it starts retracting then nothing wrong with the jack. If it still won't retract then probably the solenoid.
Prepare to catch a little oil when the line is loose.

Not sure you have your last statement right,,, I agree if I loosen the line on top and it goes up there is an issue down stream but if it doesn't then I say its the jack itself. Also I have tried to see if it would retract by manually releasing the solenoid (T Handle type) and it did not move so IMO it has to be the jack or the line or the solenoid manual release don't work or any combo of these.

I can live with it for now, when I need the leveling I dump the air bags, place some wood under that jack and level the MH. When ready to leave I start the MH up, let the bags air up which releases the wood and gives me enough room to slide a jack under to get that leveling jack retracted. Small PIA but doable for now.
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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2018, 03:36:31 PM »
On your slide creep is it both ends of the slide creeping out evenly or one end of the slide moreso than the other?  From my experience a retract valve will usually allow the pressures to equalize evenly and allow the slide to relax and extend both ends about the same.  IF you have one end of the slide creeping the cause is more than likely a hydraulic cylinder or more specifically the packing inside is leaking internally.  I've changed a couple of HWH hydraulic cylinders for this very reason, one on my coach and another on a friends.

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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2018, 11:26:18 PM »
They come out equally. One of the HWH trouble shooting articles state the check valve is a likely cause if they creep out about an inch. I also spoke quickly to Stuart's and he said it's likely the solenoids. But I think its unlikely that both went at the same time which would have to be the case as both slides are creeping but I guess its possible. When I get a chance I am going to check the check valve first before ordering the solenoids.

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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2018, 07:38:51 AM »
It is possible both went about the same time,.  When I have seen that the tank usually has debris in it and it ends up getting stuck in the valve seats/pintles which allows them to bleed off, but it could also be the check valve not holding pressure.  I would inspect the fluid and if at all questionable I would clean the tank and refill.  It's kind of a PITA but only way to eliminate the possibilities of it happening again.

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Re: 02 Journey Slide Creep
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2018, 09:09:30 AM »
I will take a look at the fluid. FYI, no issue with the leveling jacks bleeding down when in use. One thing I noticed that happens now is after releasing the retract button I can hear what sounds like the hydraulic pump running backwards which would releasing the line pressure holding the slides in. As far as I can remember it did not do this when I did not have creep issues. Meaning as soon as I let off the retract button the pump stopped. So it seams that it has to be either the check valve or solenoids IMO.