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Which camera to buy?
« on: July 04, 2018, 08:19:06 AM »
We are going to scratch off one of the big items from our bucket list this fall, by attending the Albuquerque Balloon Festival.  That said, I want to buy a camera instead of trying to take amazing pictures with my cellphone. 
My requirements are:
  Digital
  $200 range or less
  must take videos
  comfortable size
  tripod mount
I am sure that all of the experts on here will have their own "favorites".  I am interested in hearing from you.

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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2018, 09:35:35 AM »
There's no question but that a better camera would help with photos at the Balloon Fiesta; most of the real good photo opportunities require a good telephoto lens.  The cameras on the higher end phones are pretty good, but none of them truly provide an excellent telephoto experience.  As someone with a PhD in physics and optics, I could go through a long explanation of why a tiny lens can't ever duplicate the results of a large one, but I'll skip the details for this post.  But, unfortunately, the advent of pretty decent cell phone cameras has really decimated the "point and shoot" camera market which is where your $200 budget would put you.   The number of point and shoot cameras being sold these days is much smaller than it was a decade ago.

Personally, I carry a Canon T5i DSLR with an 18-400mm zoom lens, but that's not going to fit into your budget.  You might want to look at the mirrorless cameras being sold by Sony and many others.  They have many of the attributes of a DSLR in a smaller, slightly less expensive package.  However, I'm not sure you'll be able to stay within your budget.  I did look at Amazon's listings while writing this response and I noticed that there are a number of vendors selling "gray market" (out of geographic region with no warranty) for prices as low as ~$350.  There's nothing wrong with going that route as long as you understand that you can't get the device repaired under warranty, but the probability of needing repair probably isn't all that great.
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2018, 09:40:45 AM »
At a two hundred dollar price point your choices are going to be pretty limited. Might try searching for some used cameras-- there's a lot of good buys out there in the used market.

We are going to scratch off one of the big items from our bucket list this fall, by attending the Albuquerque Balloon Festival.  That said, I want to buy a camera instead of trying to take amazing pictures with my cellphone. 
My requirements are:
  Digital
  $200 range or less
  must take videos
  comfortable size
  tripod mount
I am sure that all of the experts on here will have their own "favorites".  I am interested in hearing from you.

Thanks
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Larry N.

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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2018, 09:45:12 AM »
Your price range limits what I otherwise would recommend. But although I've not looked into cameras like that, I'd suggest at least a 10 to 1 (or more) zoom lens and minimum of 5 mp (megapixel) resolution. One with a viewfinder* (not just a video screen on the back) would also be my preference, but those are getting harder to find in that price range. Depending on your needs, I'd also consider whether it should be pocket size (zoom is really limited on most) or whether a strap around the neck (or a camera bag) is an acceptable means of transport.

Jymbee makes a good point too, about looking at used cameras (sometimes they're pricey, sometimes you can find a good bargain) at various camera dealers (big box stores rarely carry used).

Generally, though, Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Pentax and Sony are among the better brands.


* I prefer a viewfinder because I don't have to worry about the sun washing out the scene and because bracing the camera against my head makes for a more stable platform than holding it at arms length to see the screen on the back
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2018, 03:05:22 PM »
it's been 6 years now....wow it's had to believe it's been that long ago...
anyway, I bought myself a birthday present of a Nikon Coolpix P510
Being an old film SLR camera guy I wanted a DSLR, but the price of the body + lenses to get a good one was too high....so the Nikon was a compromise.

I have been extremely surprised and happy with it.  Good photos in my opinion.  It has a really good lens for what it is. Seems like a pretty big objective lens to bring in lots of light
the numbers...42x F3.0-5.9 optical zoom lens (24-1000mm equivalent)
On the 24mm end it's plenty wide IMHO (my go to lens back in the days of film was a 28-70 zoom, I found the 28mm useful). 
The long zoom telephoto 42x optical is staggering.  Like a telescope.  I'd think it would be great for the balloon festival....long reach lenses are useful at airshows anyway, so I'd think the same there...

No longer made of course, but I bring it up just a a possibility to look into that 'class' of cameras.  I don't even know what it's called...kinda like an SLR but the lens isn't removable....
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2018, 06:31:13 PM »
Refurbished Canon PowerShot SX530 HS for $192.00 direct from Canon with a one year warranty.  Equivalent to a 1,600 mm zoom.  We currently have three Nikon DSLR and many lens from a fisheye to 300mm.  This camera is a very close second and certainly a lot lighter to carry around and much cheaper.
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2018, 08:21:10 PM »
No expert but if you get handheld make sure it is optical zoom....
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2018, 08:51:16 PM »
No expert but if you get handheld make sure it is optical zoom....
An excellent point, Jackie. Electronic zoom loses sharpness quickly, worse as you zoom in.
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2018, 12:33:17 PM »
Refurbished Canon PowerShot SX530 HS for $192.00 direct from Canon with a one year warranty.  Equivalent to a 1,600 mm zoom.  We currently have three Nikon DSLR and many lens from a fisheye to 300mm.  This camera is a very close second and certainly a lot lighter to carry around and much cheaper.

Thanks for all the replies, especially allenb12. I looked at the Canon PowerShot refurb that you recommended and it looks very good for the $$.  My only concern is that it is an electrical zoom, which a couple of others do not recommend. But the reviews I have found are good, and I'm probably gonna pull the trigger on this one.

I will post my results once I get it and have time to try it out.

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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2018, 06:42:10 PM »
Thanks for all the replies, especially allenb12. I looked at the Canon PowerShot refurb that you recommended and it looks very good for the $$.  My only concern is that it is an electrical zoom, which a couple of others do not recommend. But the reviews I have found are good, and I'm probably gonna pull the trigger on this one.

An electrical zoom is just a way of selecting smaller and smaller sections of the CCD and blowing them up to fill the frame.  Your picture quality degrades as you zoom because you are using fewer and fewer pixels in the picture.  Unfortunately, that's all you can do with inexpensive cameras that use tiny lenses with only a few optical elements.  A true optical zoom lens is a complex computer-designed device with typically 15 or more optical "elements".  No offense intended but the zoom lens I'm currently using with my DSLR cost >$600 and that's not considered a lot.  You're not likely to find that in a $200 camera.
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2018, 08:37:37 PM »
To take doc's comment a tad further, the electronic "zoom" is just the same as taking a "normal" picture (not zoomed), selecting a small piece of it, then blowing it up to the same size as the original. But the specified Canon model apparently has a 50X optical zoom (plus 4X "digital"), so as long as you stay in that range (and for most things you will), you'll have decent quality pictures without the graininess or pixelation.
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2018, 10:51:17 PM »
To take doc's comment a tad further, the electronic "zoom" is just the same as taking a "normal" picture (not zoomed), selecting a small piece of it, then blowing it up to the same size as the original. But the specified Canon model apparently has a 50X optical zoom (plus 4X "digital"), so as long as you stay in that range (and for most things you will), you'll have decent quality pictures without the graininess or pixelation.

Here's a review of it. I would be concerned about the lack of an electronic (or optical) viewfinder.    I would find it awkward to have to use the LCD display when the zoom was fully extended.  It won't be the easiest thing to keep your subject in the picture.  Have fun with it. https://www.pcmag.com/review/333007/canon-powershot-sx530-hs
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2018, 11:19:03 PM »
An electrical zoom is just a way of selecting smaller and smaller sections of the CCD and blowing them up to fill the frame.  Your picture quality degrades as you zoom because you are using fewer and fewer pixels in the picture.  Unfortunately, that's all you can do with inexpensive cameras that use tiny lenses with only a few optical elements.  A true optical zoom lens is a complex computer-designed device with typically 15 or more optical "elements".  No offense intended but the zoom lens I'm currently using with my DSLR cost >$600 and that's not considered a lot.  You're not likely to find that in a $200 camera.

I think on the Canon you'll find that electrical zoom means that you push a button to zoom in and another button to zoom out, a motor actually moves the optical elements to accomplish it.  I used an SX model as my pocket camera until last year.  It made good JPG images but would not shoot a RAW format.  I replaced it with a mirrorless SLR.

What you're referring to above is electronic zoom.
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2018, 02:42:35 AM »
There are three types of zooms. Electric, mechanical and digital. All bridge cameras have electric zoom. That simply means a motor is used to move the lens. As Larry explained the number of pixels used in the image remains the same. A digital zoom reduces the number of pixels as it zooms in electronically and pixelates the image. The only way you can get a mechanical zoom is to get a dinosaur DSLR. That is all that they use is a mechanical zoom. So to recap, DSLRs use mechanical zoom, bridge cameras, pocket cameras and cell phone cameras use electronic zoom and some of them use digital zoom. You can use mechanical zoom and electronic zoom without issue. With digital zoom you get pixelization. Here is a great image to show the difference between digital and optical zoom:
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Re: Which camera to buy?
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2018, 03:38:20 PM »
They will have to pry my DSLR out of my cold dead fingers.   ;)
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2018, 03:49:33 PM »
They will have to pry my DSLR out of my cold dead fingers.   ;)
No one is trying to take your DSLR. No one wants it.
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2018, 07:51:49 AM »
It's unlikely you will find even a used DSLR with video for $200. That's a huge stretch. On top of that you'd need to buy lenses so that would definitely push your budget over $200.
Bridge (which is what Brad was referring to) cameras could be a good choice. If you were considering point and shoot, save your money and just use your phone. Not a lot of photo quality difference between the 2 at this point. Bridge camera could give you a bit more flexibility on how you set up a shot resulting in less editing in the computer later.
As others have mentioned, keep an eye on how much of the zoom is "digital zoom". You really don't want it, or at least very minimal amount. Even if it means not being able to zoom in as close as you'd like. No sin in cropping an image later (I know this goes against my not editing in the computer comment, but it's one exception I'd accept).

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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2018, 02:40:15 PM »
Yes it hurts but it is true.

https://petapixel.com/2017/03/03/latest-camera-sales-chart-reveals-death-compact-camera/

With all due respect, the primary thrust of this article is to show that smartphone cameras have devastated the camera market across all categories, with the greatest damage being done to sales of point and shoot cameras.  Yes, DSLR sales are down but, as the article notes, they have stabilized to some degree.  Mirrorless alternatives to DSLRs account for only a limited number of sales.

Here's a quote from the article:

Photographer Sven Skafisk took the latest 2016 CIPA camera production data and created the chart above showing that compact cameras have continued to decline while DSLR and mirrorless camera sales seem to have stabilized a bit.

IMHO, smartphone cameras are a reasonable replacement for compact, point and shoot ones.  Many inexpensive compacts used plastic lenses with limited optical capabilities and few had the pixel count of today's smartphone cameras.  For people mostly interested in taking snapshots of friends or "I was here" photos to share on Facebook, smartphone cameras are wonderful.  Heck, my Pixel 2 even lets me include Augmented Reality artifacts such as R2D2 in my photos if I want to spice them up a bit.

However, the principles of optics remain the same. no small aperture lens can compete with a large aperture one if your objective is cropping a small section out of a photo and blowing it up to fill a screen.  Nor will a lens with a "couple" of optical elements compete with a modern zoom with more than a dozen elements made from a mix of different optical glass in order to ensure a minimum of chromatic dispersion and a flat focusing field across the entire frame. 

I'm not a pro photographer by any means, but I like my photos to be more than just "I was here" shots. On our Facebook travel blog, I carefully select what I photos I post and I crop and Photoshop many of them.  Sure, I could blog with my smartphone, but, to me, that would take away the "art" aspect of photography that I enjoy.

So, I'll continue to lug around my "dinosaur" camera with its 18-400mm zoom because, for me, it makes photography more than just a snapshot.
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2018, 02:51:13 PM »
With all due respect, the primary thrust of this article is to show that smartphone cameras have devastated the camera market across all categories, with the greatest damage being done to sales of point and shoot cameras.  Yes, DSLR sales are down but, as the article notes, they have stabilized to some degree.  Mirrorless alternatives to DSLRs account for only a limited number of sales.

Here's a quote from the article:

Photographer Sven Skafisk took the latest 2016 CIPA camera production data and created the chart above showing that compact cameras have continued to decline while DSLR and mirrorless camera sales seem to have stabilized a bit.

IMHO, smartphone cameras are a reasonable replacement for compact, point and shoot ones.  Many inexpensive compacts used plastic lenses with limited optical capabilities and few had the pixel count of today's smartphone cameras.  For people mostly interested in taking snapshots of friends or "I was here" photos to share on Facebook, smartphone cameras are wonderful.  Heck, my Pixel 2 even lets me include Augmented Reality artifacts such as R2D2 in my photos if I want to spice them up a bit.

However, the principles of optics remain the same. no small aperture lens can compete with a large aperture one if your objective is cropping a small section out of a photo and blowing it up to fill a screen.  Nor will a lens with a "couple" of optical elements compete with a modern zoom with more than a dozen elements made from a mix of different optical glass in order to ensure a minimum of chromatic dispersion and a flat focusing field across the entire frame. 

I'm not a pro photographer by any means, but I like my photos to be more than just "I was here" shots. On our Facebook travel blog, I carefully select what I photos I post and I crop and Photoshop many of them.  Sure, I could blog with my smartphone, but, to me, that would take away the "art" aspect of photography that I enjoy.

So, I'll continue to lug around my "dinosaur" camera with its 18-400mm zoom because, for me, it makes photography more than just a snapshot.
Joel, I am telling you to ditch your dslr. Keep using it forever if you wish. However DSLR sales did level out for a bit but the fact remains they are still way below what they used to sell. Your arguments about plastic lenses sound like the type of logic used twenty years ago by the film crowd who kept telling me that film would never die. Film had better definition, better saturation, better signal to noise, blah, blah, blah. They had a hundred reasons why they would never switch to digital. Ten years later film was as dead as a doornail. And then film cameras became worthless in the resale market. In a few years dslr sales will be so bad that reselling one will become almost impossible. But as always, the people who have spent money on dslr systems refuse to see the future because it effects them financially.

My photography is a lot more than a snapshot with my cell phone. It is just as legit as the ones I took with more expensive cameras.
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2018, 10:32:44 PM »
My wife takes action shots of our MX races... So she needs zoom... fast focus... continuous shots... etc... So DSL was our choice..
We bought a Canon Rebel kit with the 70/300 zoom that gets the most use for her..  and it works great.. She doesnt know a thing about cameras.
I put it on sport mode and she just  clicks away... With its fast auto focus, it does a very good job...
 It has more features than I can even think of using..

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2018, 04:03:38 PM »
My wife takes action shots of our MX races... So she needs zoom... fast focus... continuous shots... etc... So DSL was our choice..
We bought a Canon Rebel kit with the 70/300 zoom that gets the most use for her..  and it works great.. She doesnt know a thing about cameras.
I put it on sport mode and she just  clicks away... With its fast auto focus, it does a very good job...
 It has more features than I can even think of using..

I suggest that she look at the Tamron lenses that fit the Canon Rebel.  I have the 18/400 second generation Tamron zoom which is a big improvement over the 28/270 first generation.  Much faster and more reliable auto-focus.  I don't think Canon even offers a zoom with that much range and, if they did, I probably wouldn't have been able to afford it.  With the "multiplication" effect of using a less-than-full-frame sensor, the 400mm translates to >600mm.  I've been able to take some remarkable pictures with it and my Rebel T5i.
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2018, 04:12:29 PM »
I suggest that she look at the Tamron lenses that fit the Canon Rebel.  I have the 18/400 second generation Tamron zoom which is a big improvement over the 28/270 first generation.  Much faster and more reliable auto-focus.  I don't think Canon even offers a zoom with that much range and, if they did, I probably wouldn't have been able to afford it.  With the "multiplication" effect of using a less-than-full-frame sensor, the 400mm translates to >600mm.  I've been able to take some remarkable pictures with it and my Rebel T5i.
:)) I love Tamron lenses. I had a 150-600 that I used on my Sony A55 and it knocked my socks off. Very reasonably priced and the optics were just as good as the L lenses I used.
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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2018, 04:19:49 PM »
Joel, I am telling you to ditch your dslr. Keep using it forever if you wish. However DSLR sales did level out for a bit but the fact remains they are still way below what they used to sell. Your arguments about plastic lenses sound like the type of logic used twenty years ago by the film crowd who kept telling me that film would never die. Film had better definition, better saturation, better signal to noise, blah, blah, blah. They had a hundred reasons why they would never switch to digital. Ten years later film was as dead as a doornail. And then film cameras became worthless in the resale market. In a few years dslr sales will be so bad that reselling one will become almost impossible. But as always, the people who have spent money on dslr systems refuse to see the future because it effects them financially.


I agree that improved plastics may eventually make the plastic vs glass issue moot and today's CCD's have effective ISO speeds so high that the light gathering ability of a larger lens isn't all that much of an advantage.  But nothing can change the principles of physics which result in smaller apertures exhibiting greater diffraction effects than do larger apertures at equivalent f-stops.  The net effect of diffraction is to reduce image sharpness.

Diffraction affects each lens differently and as pixel size decreases diffraction usually shows up earlier.  Therefore, the very small CCDs and lenses used in smartphone cameras will exhibit these effects more than will larger DSLR CCDs and lenses.

Here's an article that explains and demonstrates diffraction effects:  https://fstoppers.com/studio/fstoppers-original-what-lens-diffraction-and-when-does-diffraction-happen-6022
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2018, 05:00:24 PM »
Joel I understand diffraction. I studied it in my college photography classes. If I showed you a photo you could not tell me if it was taken with a cell phone camera or a dslr just by looking. If the images are that good then diffraction isn't an issue.
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Re: Which camera to buy?
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2018, 08:36:23 PM »
They had a hundred reasons why they would never switch to digital. Ten years later film was as dead as a doornail. And then film cameras became worthless in the resale market. In a few years dslr sales will be so bad that reselling one will become almost impossible.

IMO that's not an applicable analogy-- film vs. digital. That was a revolutionary change while the merits of today's systems being discussed here are more evolutionary. Smartphone camera systems have had a dramatic impact on the number of people taking images. Today, the saying that "everybody is a photographer" is by and large true. People that never even owned any kind of camera are clicking away and sending billions of images around the world.

By she virtue of the numbers alone the portion of market share attributable to entry level camera systems will continue to grow and outpace DSLRs, but DSLR systems will be around in substantial numbers well beyond a decade.

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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2018, 06:31:13 PM »
     OK, many thanks to all for your thoughts, opinions, and explanations.  I should have known that there are some photography experts on here, same as any other subject!  LOL!
     I did pull the trigger on the refurb Canon PowerShot SX530 HS. Been playing with it for a few days. So far the most intricate shot I have pulled off is a zoomed in picture of hummingbirds at our feeder. Also took a movie zoomed in of them. Both came out surprisingly well. I think with practice, I will be extremely proud of my purchase. It is certainly capable of much more than the operator is!!!!!

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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2018, 08:13:29 PM »
Steve, if you haven't already, look through the pinned topic at the top of this segment, the Photographic Tips topic. There's a lot of stuff in there that can help your understanding of photography.
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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2018, 08:31:53 PM »
50x optical zoom, wow.  My old Nikon is only 42x and it seems incredibly long to me....that thing must zoom in like the Hubble...you must have been counting the lice on that bird!
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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2018, 09:55:51 PM »
They will have to pry my DSLR out of my cold dead fingers.   ;)
I like my Nikon D60 after having some issues with the shutter sorted out. Yes, it is bulky and a bit heavy so not suitable for quick snapshots  but it is so flexible with interchangeable lenses and picture quality is only limited by the operator. The best feature is the image stabilization, I have a congenital tremor which makes a cell phone picture out of the question although newr versions may have the feature. The cell also doesn't have zoom. The Canon p&s gets the majority of the use but it has it's limitations.

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« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2018, 02:28:58 AM »
50x optical zoom, wow.  My old Nikon is only 42x and it seems incredibly long to me....that thing must zoom in like the Hubble...you must have been counting the lice on that bird!
That is out of date. Nikon's new P1000 is 100 x zoom.

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/compact-digital-cameras/coolpix-p1000.html

3000mm optical zoomóthe most powerful zoom lens ever put on a Nikon COOLPIX camera
4K Ultra HD video with HDMI out, stereo sound and an accessory hot-shoe
Rock-steady Dual Detect image stabilization and great low-light capability
RAW (NRW), time-lapse and Superlapse shooting plus great creative modes
Full manual controls along with easy auto shooting

Only a grand.
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« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2018, 04:52:04 AM »
But wait....

Nikon just released their new Z7 mirrorless beast. It has a 45.7 megapixel sensor. Only 4 grand.  ::)
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« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2018, 04:36:43 PM »
That is out of date. Nikon's new P1000 is 100 x zoom.

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/compact-digital-cameras/coolpix-p1000.html

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Full manual controls along with easy auto shooting


Could I interest you in a slightly used Canon DSLR?  ;D
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« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2018, 04:39:41 PM »
Could I interest you in a slightly used Canon DSLR?  ;D
You could not give me a Canon DSLR. Been there, done that. I love my cell phones.
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« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2018, 09:47:35 AM »
You could not give me a Canon DSLR. Been there, done that. I love my cell phones.

I can stop salivating over that 24-3000 mm lens on the CoolPix 1000!
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« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2018, 07:52:47 PM »
No one is trying to take your DSLR. No one wants it.

Many might.  Anyone who cares about versatility and image quality would surely consider it.


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« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2018, 07:53:49 PM »
You could not give me a Canon DSLR. Been there, done that. I love my cell phones.

Sad you insist on limiting yourself and steer others in that direction as well...

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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2018, 08:01:15 PM »
Yes it hurts but it is true.

https://petapixel.com/2017/03/03/latest-camera-sales-chart-reveals-death-compact-camera/

Yeah.  Thatís why when true capability and quality really count, you see people with cell phones instead of the white lens with the red ring.

Oh wait.  Thatís right.  You donít.

Show me a professional or advanced amateur who switched from DSLR/mirrorless to a cell phone and you might be believable.  You canít.

Hilarious.  The tiny sensor in a cell phone canít even compete with a crop body, much less a full frame..

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« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2018, 09:11:31 PM »
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Show me a professional or advanced amateur who switched from DSLR/mirrorless to a cell phone and you might be believable.  You canít.

Actually, you're exchanging views with one. While Tom and I agree to disagree on camera types (has a LOT to do with your use), he very definitely IS an "advanced" photographer, and used to have all kinds of neat gear, but recently changed pretty much to the phone. If you go to his photo pages, and go back more than a couple of years* (or just go back to posts more than a couple of years ago), you'll find that he's done some marvelous work, including some official stuff in a Nat'l Park or two.

You really need to get to know folks before you make such sweeping remarks. In fact, look in the Photo Tips topic pinned at the top.

* Actually, he still does marvelous work with his phone, too, working very well within its limitations.
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« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2018, 10:39:16 PM »
  I'm not much help to the OP on camera's - but have to say that the event they are going to photograph used to be called the Kodak International Balloon Fiesta.

  Just sayin.....

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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2018, 05:56:32 AM »
Thank you for defending me Larry. I went through Bert's posts and almost everyone of his 24 posts are dedicated to knocking cell phone cameras. He really is paranoid about cell phones taking over.

Sad you insist on limiting yourself and steer others in that direction as well...
I am not trying to steer anyone anyplace. Even though the OP is asking for recommendations I did not mention a cell phone. Every single camera in the world has limitations. Cell phones have different limitations from DSLRs.
Yeah.  Thatís why when true capability and quality really count, you see people with cell phones instead of the white lens with the red ring. Oh wait.  Thatís right.  You donít.  Show me a professional or advanced amateur who switched from DSLR/mirrorless to a cell phone and you might be believable.  You canít.
Watch any professional sports contest like baseball, football, basketball or soccer or presidential press conferences and the number of professionals on the sidelines shooting with cell phones has been increasing every year. I used to be a professional with white lenses and a red ring. Now that I am 70 my back is gone and I can no longer haul it around comfortably for hours on end like I used to. I used to walk 5 to 10 miles a day. Now I would be lucky to go one mile.

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Hilarious.  The tiny sensor in a cell phone canít even compete with a crop body, much less a full frame..
I almost spit my coffee out of my nose when I read this remark. 150 years ago people laughed at the idea of flying a man to the moon. 120 years ago people laughed at the idea of the horseless carriage ever replacing the automobile. 100 years ago people laughed at the idea of transmitting moving pictures over the air wirelessly.  70 years ago they laughed at the idea of a computer ever fitting in your pocket. 50 years ago they laughed at Steve Jobs and the whole idea of a personal computer. 30 years ago they laughed at digital photography ever replacing film. Today some are laughing at the idea of cell phone cameras replacing DSLRs. But what Burt doesn't realize is that technology always marches on. And the people left defending the old technology always have a huge financial interest is seeing that the old technology does not die out. Bert has a huge financial investment in camera gear. No wonder he is so uptight.

If Birt wanted to be helpful he could have made some recommendations to the OP instead he comes here to laugh at me. I went to his Flickr page and he is a really good photographer. Very few of his shots could have been taken with a cell phone with today's technology so it is easy to see why he uses a DSLR. But in a few years any of his shots could have been taken with a cell phone camera. There is an army of Asian engineers working 365/24/7 fighting each other tooth and nail to make a better cell phone camera. They are selling 1.5 billion cell phones a year so it is a gigantic market. They will overcome the tiny sensor problem and the long zoom problems and leave DSLRs in the dust. I can't even remember the last time there was a significant advance in the DSLR market. All they have is larger sensors. But as the older generation dies out so will DSLRs. They are dinosaurs.
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« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2018, 07:17:07 PM »
Without a doubt, if you are going to take the time to shoot and you want good photos, a good expensive camera body and lens(es) is a requirement.  On a limited budget and this appears to be a one time event, go to a professional camera store and rent the equipment.  Also, take a class or two.  Otherwise, you will be wasting your time and be very disappointed in the final results.  As another option, find someone at the event who is taking pictures and ask if they will sell/provide you with some of their images via email or other conduit.

Hope some of this helps.

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« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2018, 10:36:50 AM »
Greetings,

I won't knock cell phone cameras as they have come a long way. However, I need a DSLR for shooting astrophotography shots of the night time sky. I am guessing that cell phone cameras don't have adapters to attach to telescope eyepieces for photography. Do they have a bulb feature on them? Being able to line up the plain of the camera on a telescope and following your object is essential to getting great astrophotos. Also many shots are taken per object and then combined to make a much better photo rather than one long shot of the past. It's truly amazing what can be done. Guess I am saying right tool for the right job.

I'm thinking of selling my film and paper processing equipment sometime just holding out for top dollar.  ::) ;D  Having processed thousands of strips of film I appreciate the digital side to photography these days!!
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« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2018, 10:38:44 AM »
Forgot to mention that I shoot with a Canon EOS 6D. I still use my Canon Rebel for everyday shots.
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« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2018, 10:54:39 AM »
There are ways to shoot astrophotography with a cell phone but I really doubt you would be happy with the results. You will definitely need a DSLR for that. What you really need a telescope with computer tracking on it. They are easy to hook up to DSLR.
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« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2018, 06:39:10 PM »
The OP wants to keep it under 200.  There might be a used higher caliber camera for that, but it will be very, very used.

I've owned many types (film slr's, Medium Format cameras, dslr's),  and currently use Sony mirrorless cameras with various lenses.  I have 5 bodies and many lenses.  Among them are the A5100, A6000, A6500, RX100II, RX10, and RX10IV.  I still use the RX10, and it is  still excellent.   Might find one on ebay for not too much more than 200 or 300  maybe. 

For what the OP wants to do with the camera, the RX10 would do nicely. 

(Oops....  I just realized that the Balloon festival is over already...I think.    Maybe too late for suggestions)
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« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2018, 10:57:23 PM »
There are ways to shoot astrophotography with a cell phone but I really doubt you would be happy with the results. You will definitely need a DSLR for that. What you really need a telescope with computer tracking on it. They are easy to hook up to DSLR.

Hi SeilerBird and all,

Agree you need a scope and be able to track. I'm pretty old fashion when it comes to computerized telescopes. I just use the CPU in my head to find objects (that CPU is sometimes highly flawed  ;D ). My scopes are old and have the simple (but effective) clock drives on them. I do have an electronic unit that helps to slow and speed up tracking as you need it.

I am amazed at the great/high quality photos you have taken with your cell phone camera. I need to take mine out and do some photography and see what I can do. I once took a photo in a museum of an object with a 3.5 disk camera I had. One of the best photos I have ever took under low light levels. I have seen the object photographed by others and still didn't compare to my shot (which may have been more luck than skill).

I'm guessing there are still camera shows that the OP might go to in order to look for a good used unit at the price he wants to spend. I use to go to a lot of them.
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« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2018, 11:49:37 PM »
Actually there are some inexpensive used DSLRs on Amazon starting with a 20D for only $80.

https://www.amazon.com/Canon-DSLR-Camera-Body-MODEL/dp/B0002XQI2E?keywords=dslr&qid=1540615696&sr=8-1&ref=sr_1_1

Actually if I were the OP I would get a used Sony A55. Best SLR I ever owned:

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-DSLR-Camera-18-55mm-zoom/dp/B0043DKBTK?keywords=a55&qid=1540618163&sr=8-5&ref=sr_1_5
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« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2018, 11:45:25 AM »
Actually there are some inexpensive used DSLRs on Amazon starting with a 20D for only $80.

I have an old Canon D60 & a 20D stored away that I'd sell for half that.   :)

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« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2018, 12:00:20 PM »
Never mind.
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« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2018, 04:43:40 PM »
Huh.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneosd60

I was a Nikon shooter in the film days then switched to Canon when I went to digital DSLR. Very first digi camera was something like 640x480 px. I was jealous of a friend who had a Sony Mavica which used interchangeable floppies. Just imagine, up to 1.4 MB (mega) of storage on one disc!  ::)

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« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2018, 04:58:46 PM »
I was a Nikon shooter in the film days then switched to Canon when I went to digital DSLR. Very first digi camera was something like 640x480 px. I was jealous of a friend who had a Sony Mavica which used interchangeable floppies. Just imagine, up to 1.4 MB (mega) of storage on one disc!  ::)
I too was a Nikon shooter when I switched to digital in 1997. It was a killer Kodak DC20.

It features a fixed focus lens which has a range of 0.5m to infinity. Photos can be captured in 320 x 240 pixels or a higher resolution 493 x 373 pixels. There is 1MB of internal storage which can store 16 standard or 8 high resolution photos.

It had a serial port on the bottom which hooked up to the computer and it could empty all 8 hi rez photos in less than twenty minutes.  I even still have some of my images. Here is one of Winston, my African Grey:
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« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2018, 11:54:13 AM »
And now THIS!

https://www.techradar.com/au/news/a-full-featured-android-powered-mirrorless-camera-is-coming?utm_content=buffer4a92d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer-trfb
And no optical viewfinder -- wow! Hard to see in sunlight. And harder to stabilize, since you can't hold it to your face. I know, people do it all the time on their pocket computers, er, excuse me, phones, but...
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« Reply #56 on: November 05, 2018, 04:57:34 PM »
I'm with you Larry ... others may be able to do without, but I need the optical viewfinder

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« Reply #57 on: November 05, 2018, 09:59:40 PM »
After using mostly SLRs with optical viewfinders for over 50 years  Iím finding that the camera I reach for most often is the Canon mirrorless.  Even in bright lighting itís not a problem.  But while wearing polarizing sunglasses can be a problem.  IMHO for someone who wears glasses itís actually easier than a viewfinder.
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« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2018, 04:09:35 AM »
After using mostly SLRs with optical viewfinders for over 50 years  Iím finding that the camera I reach for most often is the Canon mirrorless.  Even in bright lighting itís not a problem.  But while wearing polarizing sunglasses can be a problem.  IMHO for someone who wears glasses itís actually easier than a viewfinder.
I feel exactly the same way. I have been using cell phones for the last few years I don't miss an optical viewfinder one bit.
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