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Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« on: July 15, 2018, 06:47:29 PM »
I think 'B' owners might be more prone to remote camp in remote areas then the larger rigs that most the time desire or need electrical hook-ups.  That is the kind of camping  we do at least. And of course a refresher is also good day hikers. You are camped w your RV and just want to take a walk in the woods.  Last bear attack I remember reading about was about a women walking down her driveway in a wooded area to get the morning paper.  Turned out a mama bear was on one side of the driveway and her two cubs were on the other.  The woman lived but had lots of cuts, punchers and broken bones.

I think this is a good refresher video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMMau2RM_A4
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2018, 08:05:45 PM »
Thanks Len. Methinks we'll stay out of bear country.
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2018, 09:32:19 PM »
Thanks Len & Jo.  We are in bear country and I am always wary.  I have the bear spray at the ready and my partner thinks it is funny but I know that if a bear came anywhere near he would be terrified!

I saw a video recently of a bear running out of the bushes towards a guy and charging.  That really gave me a good idea of what could happen.  I have had a look but can't find the video but if I do I will come back and post it.  The speed was amazing!
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2018, 09:52:05 PM »
Methinks we'll stay out of bear country.

X10. I have allergies - to being eaten
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2018, 10:09:44 PM »
X10. I have allergies - to being eaten
I'm not sure you'd be tasty enough Scott  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2018, 10:24:15 PM »
A guy walks into this sporting goods store in Alaska,
immediately spies a rather haggard-looking old salt of
a store clerk sitting by the cash register.

"Hear ya got a lotta' bears 'round here?"

"Yep," answers the clerk.

"Big bears?"

"Yep."

"Mean bears?"

"Yep."

"Black bears?"

"Yep."

"GRIZZLIES???!"

"Yep."

"Got any bear bells?"

"What's dat?"

"You know, them little dingle-bells ya put
on yer backpack so bears know yer in
the perimiter so's they can runs away..."

"Yep. Over yonder..."

"Great. I'll take one fer black bears, and one fer grizzlies.

Say, how'd you know if yer in black bear country anyway?"

"Look fer scatt."

"Oh. Well, how how'd you know if there's GRIZZLIES???!"

"Look fer scatt."

"You just said that!"

"Yeah. But grizzly scatt's different."

"Well now, just what's IN grizzly scatt that's different?"

"Bear bells."



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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2018, 10:43:15 PM »
I'm not sure you'd be tasty enough Scott  ;D ;D ;D


Not the first time I’ve heard that  ;)
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2018, 10:44:24 PM »

Not the first time I’ve heard that  ;)
hee hee
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2018, 11:24:51 PM »
We're in bear country for a few weeks.  A brown bear visited one of our neighbors last night.  We make lots of noise when walking anywhere. 

And I make sure I have someone I can outrun with me at all times.
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2018, 02:33:57 AM »
I spent ten years full timing and hiking on a daily basis looking for birds to photograph in the woods. I have ran into plenty of bears. They never bother me in the least. They are not interested in humans, they are only looking for a meal and bears do not eat humans. They might attack you if you come in between mama and cubs but other than that every bear I have ran into is going the other direction. They really don't want anything to do with us. I worry more about running into a human out in the woods.
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2018, 07:57:37 AM »
   Seilerbird, is mostly correct! But....every bear hasn’t read the book on “People Etiquette”! There are “VERY” few Bear attacts “not” related to, protected young, or a food cache! You may meet that one in a million bear.....that does’t follow the rules. Occasionally....a bear (usually a bore) will determine that a tender, slow, defenseless human will be a good food source!
   Do an internet search, and you can be given all of the do’s and don’ts, related to living with bears. But, just like in dealing with humans.....everyone doesn’t follow the expected norm!

   We spend 3 or more weeks every (almost) year, camping/hunting in grizzly country. We’ve “not”  had sows with cubs in/around our campsite, and they eventually decided, “nothing to see here....move along”! We’ve had an encounter yet. The key word is “yet”! Minimize the chances for the “yet”, and be prepared to deal with the “yet”!   Just like with people!

   
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2018, 08:51:55 AM »
Personally I don't care about one in a million chances. Bears are not interested in you period. All he wants is to get fatter before the snow hits.
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2018, 09:38:37 AM »
I agree with Seilerbird. We came across this guy last September.  We made enough noise to ensure that he knew we were there. Every few minutes, he would turn and look at us, conclude that we weren't a threat, and return to eating berries. Berries are much tastier than people.

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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2018, 09:48:06 AM »
As a wildlife photographer it was imperative that I act appropriately while in the company of wildlife of all kinds. I did 15 years of underwater photography and 15 years of wildlife on land photography. I was never hurt, attacked or bothered by any animal except for the occasional female blackbird that got disgusted with me accidentally coming too close to their nest. I studied the subject and what I discovered is that humans don't have instinctive behavior. You never really know what a human will do next. With animals it is completely different. Almost all of an animals behavior is controlled by instinct. Once you learn how to act around wildlife they simply will not hurt you. Humans are not a natural food of anything in nature beside the worms. Nothing will instinctively attack you. There are animals that will attack if you get too close, like gators. But in general if you stay a safe distance from an animal there is no chance it will come and try and eat you. I even feel safe swimming with sharks.
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2018, 09:51:53 AM »
Except...I personally know someone who is an outfitter and very bear aware, except for that one time a couple years ago when he left his weapon and bear spray at camp.  He was attacked and mauled.  When the bear left he remained down "playing dead".  The bear returned and began throwing him around again.  The hunters he was guiding finally heard the commotion and came to his rescue.  He is physically not the same and never will be. 
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2018, 09:54:07 AM »
Except...I personally know someone who is an outfitter and very bear aware, except for that one time a couple years ago when he left his weapon and bear spray at camp.  He was attacked and mauled.  When the bear left he remained down "playing dead".  The bear returned and began throwing him around again.  The hunters he was guiding finally heard the commotion and came to his rescue.  He is physically not the same and never will be.
I believe you are leaving a lot out of the story. Bears just do not go around randomly attacking people. Either he was too close to cubs or running in the forest.
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2018, 10:02:21 AM »
Yep I think we will stay out of bear country also. I don't run fast anymore
and everyone else would outrun me.  :) :) :)
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2018, 10:44:17 AM »
   Along the same lines but not with bears.....some of you may want to brush up on your alligator etiquette also. 

Dont feed them
They arent cute little cartoon gators
They love to eat dogs...so..
a gator can come vertically out of the water almost half of its length
They can out run you or your dog for a short distance
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2018, 10:51:15 AM »
Yep I think we will stay out of bear country also. I don't run fast anymore
and everyone else would outrun me.  :) :) :)

   No reason to avoid bear county....often it’s some of the most beautiful, remote areas we can enjoy! You just need to be “Bear Aware”! And respectful of their territory.....notice I said “their”!
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2018, 10:59:15 AM »
Yep I think we will stay out of bear country also. I don't run fast anymore
and everyone else would outrun me.  :) :) :)
You do not run from bears. That is stupid because that is what prey does and it excites predators.
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2018, 11:16:30 AM »
Personally I don't care about one in a million chances. Bears are not interested in you period. All he wants is to get fatter before the snow hits.

   If “you” are the one in one million....your attitude may change!
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2018, 11:25:56 AM »
   If “you” are the one in one million....your attitude may change!
No my attitude will not change because it will not happen. Bears do not randomly attack humans. The one in a million you are talking about is someone who violated a rule and upset the bear. I don't do those things.
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2018, 12:38:42 PM »
   Along the same lines but not with bears.....some of you may want to brush up on your alligator etiquette also. 

Dont feed them
They arent cute little cartoon gators
They love to eat dogs...so..
a gator can come vertically out of the water almost half of its length
They can out run you or your dog for a short distance

Alligators don't generally attack people either. Their normal behavior, is to submerge and swim away, as fast as they can.  Those who have been fed, may be bolder, but still rarely attack.

Several years ago, I was on a 3 day canoe trip across Okefenokee Swamp. About half way through the second day, we came to a large downed tree, completely blocking the trail. There was no choice, except to get into the water, and drag the canoe over the trunk. Almost immediately, a large gator swam over, opened his mouth, and began bumping me in my legs. It was clear, that he expected to be fed. He thought he was the "toll gate keeper." I kept tugging on the canoe with one hand, while using the other hand to try to keep a paddle between me and his huge gaping mouth. Meanwhile, my wife was throwing hand fulls of Cheetos into his mouth. It was the only food immediately available, but it seemed to satisfy him.

It was clear that he was used to being fed. Despite that, there was absolutely no indication on an attack.

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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2018, 01:00:52 PM »
Alligators don't generally attack people either. Their normal behavior, is to submerge and swim away, as fast as they can.  Those who have been fed, may be bolder, but still rarely attack.

Several years ago, I was on a 3 day canoe trip across Okefenokee Swamp. About half way through the second day, we came to a large downed tree, completely blocking the trail. There was no choice, except to get into the water, and drag the canoe over the trunk. Almost immediately, a large gator swam over, opened his mouth, and began bumping me in my legs. It was clear, that he expected to be fed. He thought he was the "toll gate keeper." I kept tugging on the canoe with one hand, while using the other hand to try to keep a paddle between me and his huge gaping mouth. Meanwhile, my wife was throwing hand fulls of Cheetos into his mouth. It was the only food immediately available, but it seemed to satisfy him.

It was clear that he was used to being fed. Despite that, there was absolutely no indication on an attack.

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Joel is right on. Alligators have been in existence for a few 100 million years, humans about 200,000 years. We are not even a blip on their radar. They will not attack you to eat you since we are not food to them. They will attack to defend territory or eggs so if you are in the water with one they might attack to defend themselves or their territory, but not to eat you. Remember the three year old boy who was killed at the Disney resort a few years ago? His body was found a few days later, not eaten, just killed. Same thing with bears, they won't kill you to eat you, however they will kill you to defend territory or cubs.

I saw a gator down at Everglades park called Speedbump (he loved to sit in the road). I videoed him for an hour. So I used the telephoto lens and kept a safe distance away from him. Gators can run up to 35 mph but only for extremely short bursts. So if you don't get to close to one they can never hurt you.
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2018, 02:18:34 PM »
Yes, Bear attacks are very rare but they do happen with no provocation. A friend of mine was Moose hunting in Canada a few years ago and he and his guide rounded a rock outcropping and met a Grizzly. Before they could do anything the Grizzly was on him and killed him instantly. Then he turned his attention to the guide. Neither got their guns up to protect themselves. The guide lived to tell us what happened and how fast it was. That said, you could spend the rest of your life in the woods and run into bears on the hour and have no problems. But you should always be prepared.

On another note, we are going to Fort Mountain in North Georgia in two weeks and they have sent us notice that we need to be prepared to see bears during our stay. They sent a long list of things we can and can't do especially with food and garbage. However, they have had no people harmed up there this summer and we are looking forward to our trip.
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2018, 02:29:10 PM »
Working on my beer etiquette...in line for the Coors tour.

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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2018, 02:31:51 PM »
Yes, if you round a rock and surprise a bear, you very well might be in trouble. If, when rounding a blind corner, cresting a hill, etc., you make enough noise to let any bear know that you're coming, you'll be just fine.

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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2018, 02:33:36 PM »
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2018, 03:48:55 PM »
Yes, Bear attacks are very rare but they do happen with no provocation. A friend of mine was Moose hunting in Canada a few years ago and he and his guide rounded a rock outcropping and met a Grizzly. Before they could do anything the Grizzly was on him and killed him instantly. Then he turned his attention to the guide. Neither got their guns up to protect themselves. The guide lived to tell us what happened and how fast it was. That said, you could spend the rest of your life in the woods and run into bears on the hour and have no problems. But you should always be prepared.
Guns would not have helped them, shoot a bear with a handgun and you will just piss the bear off.
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Re: Always good to brush up on bear etiquette
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2018, 04:14:52 PM »
My son was stationed in Alaska while in the Air Force.  He luckily got a Brown Bear License.  While he was telling me about the up coming hunt,  I asked if he had gotten a heavy caliber side arm for emergencies. 

He told me that he had gotten a .50 Cal Desert Eagle.  He then told me that it really bothered him, that he had to file the front sight off.

I asked him, why would you have to file the front sight off?

He said.  "That way when the Bear sticks it up his butt, it won't hurt so much." ;D ;D ;D

He did get his Bear.

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