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shelley354

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F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« on: August 13, 2018, 01:19:27 PM »
With the newer models out now, which would you choose? Or please share  your experiences thanks towing a TT or 5th wheel around 9000lbs all in.

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2018, 01:22:18 PM »
You need at least a 2500 or better yet a 3500 SRW to pull that. 
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2018, 01:25:42 PM »

so why do they say this?

Engine   Max. Towing Capacity*   Max. Payload Capacity*
2.7L EcoBoost® Twin-Turbocharged V6   9,000 lbs.   2,470 lbs.
3.0L Power Stroke® Turbo Diesel V6   11,400 lbs.   2,020 lbs.
5.0L Ti-VCT V8   11,600 lbs.   3,270 lbs.
3.5L EcoBoost® Twin-Turbocharged V6   13,200 lbs.   3,230 lbs.

I was looking at the 3.5L ecoboost? Max Towing 13,200lbs, max payload 3,230 lbs

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You need at least a 2500 or better yet a 3500 SRW to pull that.

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2018, 01:30:56 PM »
The main reason is because most noobies don't get it right the first time. They almost always go way too small trying to save money on gas and it is easier to park and drive. Then they want to trade it in on a larger vehicle. With a 1/2 ton you need to upgrade the trailer and the truck. With a one ton you only have to upgrade the trailer. Also you need to remember there is more to towing than can my truck pull this. A half ton can pull a 727. The problems are towing in mountains and towing in a wind storm or when a semi passes you. With a 1/2 ton that is generally a white knuckle experience.
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2018, 02:58:54 PM »
Exactly as SeilerBird said.  Also remember your payload capacity includes the pin weight of the fifth wheel, your gear, fuel, passengers, etc.  It is very easy to exceed that on a little "half ton" truck, plus they have passenger car rated tires, much smaller brakes and lighter duty transmissions, axles and cooling systems compared to the 2500 and 3500 trucks.
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2018, 03:23:28 PM »
Check out this link https://www.ford.com/services/assets/Brochure?make=Ford&model=F-150&year=2018
pages 23 & 24 explain the towing capacities and payload.
The figures you are quoting are for a base model (XL) with max towing and heavy duty payload packages, regular cab 4X2 8' box with a 150lb driver and no options.
Every option you add (ie. power windows, door locks, SYNC, cab size, bed size, tire size, 4X4, moonroof, AC, etc.) adds to the weight and is subtracted from their 'best in class' payload and towing.
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5th-Wheel Towing: 23,200 lbs.
Conventional Towing: 18,500 lbs.
Payload: 7,260 lbs.
GCWR: 30,500 lbs.
GVWR: 14,000 lbs.
Front GAWR: 5,250 lbs. (4x2); 6,000 lbs. (4x4)

My actual truck is GVWR 11,500 lbs, GCVWR 23,000 lbs.  & 3,529 lbs payload.

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2018, 03:43:28 PM »
The problems are towing in mountains and towing in a wind storm or when a semi passes you. With a 1/2 ton that is generally a white knuckle experience.

I disagree with the above statement.  I have been towing a TT for the last 13 years with a Dodge Ram 1500 1/2 ton pickup. I have towed in mountains as high as 11,000 ft. I have towed in the desert at temperatures above 110 F. I have towed in rain and snow. And have towed in heavy semi traffic on the interstate and smaller highways. I have never had a feeling of "white knuckle" or handling concern.

One only needs to select a trailer that is matched to the truck capabilities and not exceed those capabilities, be it a 1/2 ton or 1 ton.

My truck has just under 100,000 miles now and only about 24, 000 of those miles has been towing a TT.  Why would I want a heavier truck when I only tow about 25% of the time.  I would have given up fuel economy and ride quality for 75% of it life for no good reason.   My 2 cents,
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2018, 05:28:38 PM »
I tow a 25'  bumper pull (6200') with a 2016 Ford Eco-Boost - max tow package.  No problems.  Wherever I see someone with a similar truck, especially an Eco-Boost, I ask how they like it, how it handles their trailer, etc.  I've seen a LOT towing trailers a lot heavier and longer and higher than mine.  Nobody has ever reported any "nail-biting" experiences.  This past weekend I spoke to a fellow that has over 110,000 km (~70,000 mi) on his 2015.  He's been from here in NB, Can to southern Cal I think 4 times pulling his 5th wheel.  His is a 2wd with HD tow package.  He did say he had an extra leaf put in his rear springs.  I don't know the specs on is 5th wheel but the trailer was by no means a small one. He had nothing but praises for the truck.  Of course, these types of anecdotal reviews are far from scientific.   But neither are the statements that everyone needs a 3500 diesel dually.  That said, I don't think I would consider pulling a 35' 9000' TT with my truck although I have seen more than a few that are - not just Ford but Dodge and Chev 1500s as well.

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2018, 07:15:56 AM »
so why do they say this?

Engine   Max. Towing Capacity*   Max. Payload Capacity*
2.7L EcoBoost® Twin-Turbocharged V6   9,000 lbs.   2,470 lbs.
3.0L Power Stroke® Turbo Diesel V6   11,400 lbs.   2,020 lbs.
5.0L Ti-VCT V8   11,600 lbs.   3,270 lbs.
3.5L EcoBoost® Twin-Turbocharged V6   13,200 lbs.   3,230 lbs.

I was looking at the 3.5L ecoboost? Max Towing 13,200lbs, max payload 3,230 lbs

Thanks

these people will exaggerate anything to sell a vehicle.. just like "unlimited" phone service that has "data caps'

i have towed 9000+ with a half ton and its not comfortable, it's just not good practice to stress a vehicle at or near it's maximum capabilities
in my opinion it's far better to have more capability than you need, far less wear and tear on the vehicle and easier on the driver
that's why I tow 9000 with a RAM 2500 CTD.  I even get much better MPG from it than my previous 1/2 ton and it's a stress free drive
especially in the mountains.

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2018, 10:20:43 AM »
There have been a lot of technical upgrades to trucks in recent years.  I've been reading different truck forums recently because I'm in the market for a truck.  A common theme I see is that today's 1500s and 150s have more power (hp and torque) than 2500s and 250s of old and in some cases possibly 350s or 3500s.  Supposedly frames and brakes on 150s and 1500s are stronger and bigger than before.  I am by no means advocating pulling a 5th wheel with a 150 or 1500.  It is possible though that 150s and 1500s are being underestimated based on outdated reference points.  Many on this forum advocate buying used trucks and RVs in order to save money.  It is possible that some proponents of used vehicles have not kept up on recent truck upgrades.

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2018, 12:11:34 PM »
Sure a few 1/2 ton trucks can carry the weight.  That's the issue.  You're posting generic information for those few trucks (because that's how auto makers roll).  You need to find the correct match for the vehicle you intend to purchase, and most times that will involve getting the specs from the yellow sticker on the driver side door frame of each vehicle you are considering.  If you wanted to pull a trailer that was 6k loaded there wouldn't be much issue.  Because most people want as much trailer with as little truck as possible you need to do your homework.

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2018, 12:21:59 PM »
Thank you - thats what my thoughts were- we wouldn't be driving at stupid fast speeds and I have seen you tube "tests" of a half ton pulling a 9300lb with no issues into and over the mountains in Nevada.


I disagree with the above statement.  I have been towing a TT for the last 13 years with a Dodge Ram 1500 1/2 ton pickup. I have towed in mountains as high as 11,000 ft. I have towed in the desert at temperatures above 110 F. I have towed in rain and snow. And have towed in heavy semi traffic on the interstate and smaller highways. I have never had a feeling of "white knuckle" or handling concern.

One only needs to select a trailer that is matched to the truck capabilities and not exceed those capabilities, be it a 1/2 ton or 1 ton.

My truck has just under 100,000 miles now and only about 24, 000 of those miles has been towing a TT.  Why would I want a heavier truck when I only tow about 25% of the time.  I would have given up fuel economy and ride quality for 75% of it life for no good reason.   My 2 cents,

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2018, 12:22:31 PM »
Thanks will do.

Sure a few 1/2 ton trucks can carry the weight.  That's the issue.  You're posting generic information for those few trucks (because that's how auto makers roll).  You need to find the correct match for the vehicle you intend to purchase, and most times that will involve getting the specs from the yellow sticker on the driver side door frame of each vehicle you are considering.  If you wanted to pull a trailer that was 6k loaded there wouldn't be much issue.  Because most people want as much trailer with as little truck as possible you need to do your homework.

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2018, 12:24:00 PM »
How many "naysayers" have actually had a go with the newer spec trucks? The newer trucks as you say are built a lot differently than the older ones and the gear ratios are also different.


There have been a lot of technical upgrades to trucks in recent years.  I've been reading different truck forums recently because I'm in the market for a truck.  A common theme I see is that today's 1500s and 150s have more power (hp and torque) than 2500s and 250s of old and in some cases possibly 350s or 3500s.  Supposedly frames and brakes on 150s and 1500s are stronger and bigger than before.  I am by no means advocating pulling a 5th wheel with a 150 or 1500.  It is possible though that 150s and 1500s are being underestimated based on outdated reference points.  Many on this forum advocate buying used trucks and RVs in order to save money.  It is possible that some proponents of used vehicles have not kept up on recent truck upgrades.

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2018, 12:24:40 PM »
these people will exaggerate anything to sell a vehicle.. just like "unlimited" phone service that has "data caps'

i have towed 9000+ with a half ton and its not comfortable, it's just not good practice to stress a vehicle at or near it's maximum capabilities
in my opinion it's far better to have more capability than you need, far less wear and tear on the vehicle and easier on the driver
that's why I tow 9000 with a RAM 2500 CTD.  I even get much better MPG from it than my previous 1/2 ton and it's a stress free drive
especially in the mountains.

what year was your half ton?

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2018, 12:36:41 PM »
what year was your half ton?

both mine, 2013 F150 xlt and my wife's 2015 Trundra 5.7 SR5
i was not happy with their abilities so traded to a 2500 CTD 4x4

now i'm a real happy camper..

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2018, 01:37:31 PM »
both mine, 2013 F150 xlt and my wife's 2015 Trundra 5.7 SR5
i was not happy with their abilities so traded to a 2500 CTD 4x4

now i'm a real happy camper..
Great move!  I love my Cummins Diesel powered Dodge Ram trucks too.  I get my new 4500 later this week!
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2018, 01:43:47 PM »
I agree with a few peoples opinions here, why buy a larger heavier truck if your only going to pull your TT a small percentage of its life?  Its a waste of money.

I personally wouldnt pull a 9000lb trailer with a half ton and good luck finding a truck on a lot that actually has the specs posted on that web site.

Heres what I learned on my search for a tt that my 17 ram 1500 max tow could safely tow.
First, your CCC or cargo carrying Capacity is the first thing that you will exceed on a half ton(9000lbs means a minimum of 900lb hitch weight, but in reality it will be closer to 1170lbs)
Second, the towing numbers most auto makers post is a farse.  Read the fine print, its usually a half tank of fuel and only a driver of 150lbs max.  That means zero family and zero "stuff" in the truck with you.

The other question should be, what is the actual weight of your TT you want? Is the 9000lbs the gvwr or the empty weight?

Im not saying you need a larger rig, juat be sure that you match YOUR truck to YOUR trailer!!!

My trucks specs are 2017 ram 1500 3.92 axle, max tow package, CCC 1493lbs, only options I have are power windows and door locks.  Dodge says max towing is 10140lbs, after I load my family and a few bikes in the box and then my tts hitch weight Im maxed out and my tt weighs in at 7600gvwr and actual ready to camp weight closer to 6300lbs....

Good luck with your search and your purchase....
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2018, 01:59:34 PM »
Logger Joe, you are correct, no doubt.  The 2019 Ram 1500, 5.7 V8, 3.92, Crew Cab, 5'7" bed has CCC of 1,800 and 11,290 tow.  The stiffened frame and larger brakes may be the difference maker. 

I'm hoping the new 2500s come out before we make our purchase.  I want to see what their updated numbers are to make a good comparison.

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2018, 02:06:33 PM »
Im going to guess the suspension was upgraded a bit too, my brakes are adequate, but Id hate to lose the trailer brakes on a long steep decent in the mountains as that would be a hair raising experience to say the least.  Also, my truck just driving around empty is an amazing ride, a huge upgrade from my 07 1500 ram that rode like a rock truck on rubber block suspension.  But when Im towing I find it a bit soggy despite the heavy duty rear springs.

Match your truck to your trailer, not the other way around ;)
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2018, 02:14:26 PM »
Also, I wouldnt tow a 5th wheel with a half ton unless the 5th wheel was specifically designed to be towed by a half ton.  Unfortunately, half tons arent the right choice if your even considering a 5th wheel.

My advice is to find your TT/5th wheel and then go truck shopping.  Bring a calculator and make sure you have enough CCC to tow your trailer and still bring your family along ;)
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2018, 02:20:20 PM »
Saw this a while back on another post, so I'll post it here hoping it helps :) 

Look for a yellow banner placard on the driver door latch post which states the max weight of passengers and cargo shall not exceed xxxx pounds.  That is the payload for YOUR truck.   from the Payload, subtract the weight of all passengers, car seats, games, snacks and toys carried in the truck.  Subtract another 80 lbs for a WD hitch.  What is left is the max hitch weight the truck can handle.  Multiply by 10 to get the absolute heaviest camper (GVWR) you can tow, assuming 10% hitch wt.  For a 12.5% hitch wt., multiply remaining payload by 8.
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2018, 02:40:22 PM »
Welcome to the Forum!

Yes, new trucks are built stronger and stiffer than they were 10 or 20 years ago.

Yes, a 150 or 1500 can pull many nice TT.  Verify the weights.  Do not believe published specs.  They do not apply to the truck YOU will buy!

THE FACTS:  Max Towing assumes a BASE MODEL, max towing option, a full fuel tank and two 150 lb passengers.  It assumes 10% hitch wt.  NO cargo, NO additional passengers, NO OPTIONS.  The truth, found in the small print, is every pound of options, cargo or added passengers must be subtracted from max tow.  Also, the true hitch wt will likely be above 10%.  Believing max tow will overload the truck.

Payload, by definition, is the truck GVWR minus truck curb wt (all options installed, full fuel tank, NO PASSENGERS or cargo)  For any vehicle built since 2009, there is a yellow banner placard on the driver door latch pillar which states... the maximum weight of all passengers and cargo shall not exceed XXXX.  This is the Payload for THAT vehicle as it left the factory.

For any truck you buy, ignore published data.  Look for THAT placard.  Add the weight of all passengers, car seats, snacks, toys, tools, firewood, etc to be carried in the truck.  FOR A TT, add 80# for a WD hitch plus 10 - 12% of the trailer GVWR.  Make sure the payload can handle this.  FOR A FW, add 200# for a FW hitch and add 20% of the FW GVWR.  I seriously doubt the FW will stay under the Payload.

If that FW weight is dry wt, then the let's go camping weight will be closer to 11,000#, or 2200# pin wt, plus 200# hitch ....  If it is just you and your better half in a reg cab base model with max tow and only a few options, you MAY be OK with this small FW, but not a bigger one!  If you have a fully loaded crew cab with max tow and carry the whole family, you will be WAY OVERWEIGHT!!

EDIT I typed while you posted.
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2018, 01:40:58 PM »
I stole a bit of one of your previous posts there Grashley as I thought it covered the needed info, hope thats ok :)

Fifth Wheels and half tons dont mix unless its a FW designed for a half ton and those are small and devoid of options ;)
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2018, 07:56:36 PM »
Joe, Absolutely no problem.  The objective is getting the information to those who need it!

It is amazing what can be accomplished when no one cares who gets the credit!!
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2018, 08:07:07 PM »
I live at an RV park in southern California.

 About 30% of the travel trailers and some smaller 5th wheels that come in here are being towed by 1/2 ton trucks.
Many of them are from Canada and the other side of the country.

There is a whole lot of families I see that appear to have no problems towing with 1/2 ton trucks.

That Yellow sticker is for Tire size, pressure, and maximum loads....largely for that tire.  Change to larger wheels/tires,  and you changed the yellow sticker values.
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2018, 02:55:10 AM »
Grashley, I made sure your name was on it ;)

And that was my line of thinking, it was direct and straight forward info so I figured it was worth sharing :)
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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2018, 12:35:04 PM »
Thanks


Welcome to the Forum!

Yes, new trucks are built stronger and stiffer than they were 10 or 20 years ago.

Yes, a 150 or 1500 can pull many nice TT.  Verify the weights.  Do not believe published specs.  They do not apply to the truck YOU will buy!

THE FACTS:  Max Towing assumes a BASE MODEL, max towing option, a full fuel tank and two 150 lb passengers.  It assumes 10% hitch wt.  NO cargo, NO additional passengers, NO OPTIONS.  The truth, found in the small print, is every pound of options, cargo or added passengers must be subtracted from max tow.  Also, the true hitch wt will likely be above 10%.  Believing max tow will overload the truck.

Payload, by definition, is the truck GVWR minus truck curb wt (all options installed, full fuel tank, NO PASSENGERS or cargo)  For any vehicle built since 2009, there is a yellow banner placard on the driver door latch pillar which states... the maximum weight of all passengers and cargo shall not exceed XXXX.  This is the Payload for THAT vehicle as it left the factory.

For any truck you buy, ignore published data.  Look for THAT placard.  Add the weight of all passengers, car seats, snacks, toys, tools, firewood, etc to be carried in the truck.  FOR A TT, add 80# for a WD hitch plus 10 - 12% of the trailer GVWR.  Make sure the payload can handle this.  FOR A FW, add 200# for a FW hitch and add 20% of the FW GVWR.  I seriously doubt the FW will stay under the Payload.

If that FW weight is dry wt, then the let's go camping weight will be closer to 11,000#, or 2200# pin wt, plus 200# hitch ....  If it is just you and your better half in a reg cab base model with max tow and only a few options, you MAY be OK with this small FW, but not a bigger one!  If you have a fully loaded crew cab with max tow and carry the whole family, you will be WAY OVERWEIGHT!!

EDIT I typed while you posted.

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2018, 11:25:31 PM »
I tow a 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton 2016 F150 XLT Supercab. No problems, no push from big trucks, I could steer with two fingers, even while being passed by a big truck.
Careful on which 1/2 ton you buy. Don't assume a bigger truck has more capacity.
I was at the dealer getting my oil changed and the integrated brake controller activated the other day and had time to wander the lot. I looked at a lot of 1/2ton. Most had more features and higher towing capacity, however they had less payload capacity than my truck.
I have a 2016 F150 Supercab XLT, 3.5L EcoBoost, 2wdr 3.55 with electronic locking rear axle, towing package (not max tow), factory spray in bed liner, nerf bars, bed side steps, and I added towing mirrors, the integrated brake controller, and a roll up tonnue cover. My max towing is 11,000 pounds and max payload is 2,100 pounds per the yellow sticker. I weighed the truck with the wife, me, the dogs, full tank of gas, and all the options listed above. Plus about 200 pounds for a Reese 15k sliding hitch and mounting hardware. Truck weighed 5,400 pounds fully loaded and ready for hauling a 5th wheel. My max GWR for the truck is 6,900. Minus the 5,400 truck weight and I have room for 1,500 pin weight.


4wdr reduces payload capacity, crew cab reduces payload capacity, optional 36 gallon gas tank reduces payload capacity (but it sure would be nice to have the extra fuel). XL doesn't offer the right equipment to properly rig the truck for towing a 5th wheel, and the other trim packages reduce payload capacity. Regular cab has a short wheel base, which would give you the white knuckle experience. My wheelbase is 145" and I have no issues with steering at highway speeds in town or on the open road.


The integrated brake controller is awesome and it works with the anti-sway feature on the truck. The truck will activate the trailer brakes to reduce sway, without you doing anything. My 5th wheel has dual axles and both axles have electric brakes. Fords integrated brake controller powers both of them. Plus once you configure the 5th wheel and name it, the system remembers your settings and activates the power feed to your trailer to recharge the battery while traveling. My 5th wheel unit has a 12v fridge and runs while I'm traveling, no problem keeping the battery charged while traveling, even with the fridge on.
I also tow a fishing boat and have the system configured for it. When I hook up I select either the 5th wheel or the boat and it remembers my activates my settings respectively. I can configure up to 10 trailers.

Another feature I like the the USB port to charge my phone and link my phones apps to the truck. I currently use google maps to navigate, although I am looking to upgrade to an RV app in the future.


This F150 has the aluminum bed, however it also has a fully boxed frame, which adds a ton of strength for towing and hauling. Huge difference compared to the old c-channel frames.


There are several 1/2 ton towable 5th wheels out there, you just have to do your homework on the truck and matching camper. I went with the K-Z Sportsmen 231RK because its short, 25'. Short enough and light enough that my truck can pull it, and my boat behind it and still be under Illinois 60' length limit on the county roads and in cities. There is no length limit on Class 1 and Class roads in Illinois, just the county roads and cities. however there is a 5 mile grace distance to your destination, fuel, or storage facility.
2016 F150 3.5L Ecoboost XLT
2019 K-Z 231RK Sportsmen
1997 16' Sylvan Back Troller Select

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Re: F150 with 3.5 ecoboost or Ram 1500 ?
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2018, 07:30:01 AM »
I tow a 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton 2016 F150 XLT Supercab. No problems, no push from big trucks, I could steer with two fingers, even while being passed by a big truck.
Careful on which 1/2 ton you buy. Don't assume a bigger truck has more capacity.
I was at the dealer getting my oil changed and the integrated brake controller activated the other day and had time to wander the lot. I looked at a lot of 1/2ton. Most had more features and higher towing capacity, however they had less payload capacity than my truck.
I have a 2016 F150 Supercab XLT, 3.5L EcoBoost, 2wdr 3.55 with electronic locking rear axle, towing package (not max tow), factory spray in bed liner, nerf bars, bed side steps, and I added towing mirrors, the integrated brake controller, and a roll up tonnue cover. My max towing is 11,000 pounds and max payload is 2,100 pounds per the yellow sticker. I weighed the truck with the wife, me, the dogs, full tank of gas, and all the options listed above. Plus about 200 pounds for a Reese 15k sliding hitch and mounting hardware. Truck weighed 5,400 pounds fully loaded and ready for hauling a 5th wheel. My max GWR for the truck is 6,900. Minus the 5,400 truck weight and I have room for 1,500 pin weight.


4wdr reduces payload capacity, crew cab reduces payload capacity, optional 36 gallon gas tank reduces payload capacity (but it sure would be nice to have the extra fuel). XL doesn't offer the right equipment to properly rig the truck for towing a 5th wheel, and the other trim packages reduce payload capacity. Regular cab has a short wheel base, which would give you the white knuckle experience. My wheelbase is 145" and I have no issues with steering at highway speeds in town or on the open road.


The integrated brake controller is awesome and it works with the anti-sway feature on the truck. The truck will activate the trailer brakes to reduce sway, without you doing anything. My 5th wheel has dual axles and both axles have electric brakes. Fords integrated brake controller powers both of them. Plus once you configure the 5th wheel and name it, the system remembers your settings and activates the power feed to your trailer to recharge the battery while traveling. My 5th wheel unit has a 12v fridge and runs while I'm traveling, no problem keeping the battery charged while traveling, even with the fridge on.
I also tow a fishing boat and have the system configured for it. When I hook up I select either the 5th wheel or the boat and it remembers my activates my settings respectively. I can configure up to 10 trailers.

Another feature I like the the USB port to charge my phone and link my phones apps to the truck. I currently use google maps to navigate, although I am looking to upgrade to an RV app in the future.


This F150 has the aluminum bed, however it also has a fully boxed frame, which adds a ton of strength for towing and hauling. Huge difference compared to the old c-channel frames.


There are several 1/2 ton towable 5th wheels out there, you just have to do your homework on the truck and matching camper. I went with the K-Z Sportsmen 231RK because its short, 25'. Short enough and light enough that my truck can pull it, and my boat behind it and still be under Illinois 60' length limit on the county roads and in cities. There is no length limit on Class 1 and Class roads in Illinois, just the county roads and cities. however there is a 5 mile grace distance to your destination, fuel, or storage facility.

thats the key a small trailer and a base (xlt) truck - problem is everyone wants the big tailer and loaded truck - anything is possible IF done right
2015 Voltage 3305 Toy Hauler - loaded
2014 F150 Ecoboost Reg cab (company truck) daily driver
2017 Black on Black F350 Diesel Dually loaded  5167lbs cargo/weight capacity
Selling truck parts for 15 yrs plus
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